GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[NotAnAxehole]

you're being weird tbh

I am weird tbh

[nutella]

Listen, I don't even think that Alison is a particularly bad kill today, I won't explain the disclaimers.

Part of me doesn't want Alison to get mad at me for railroading her on timezones. You might ask... Well, why are you railroading her on a timezone differential then when you could have done it earlier? I didn't say I didn't want to railroad her, I said I didn't want her to be upset over it.

Also, I'm not claiming responsibility for anything that follows. @nutella my flip will do nothing for you.

humph

[alexa]

i'm shooting alison at 2:55 if you don't rescind by then

glgl

[nutella]

Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

Spoiler: show

Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Wow this got intense so quick

Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Who is Neeko?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

Spoiler: show

I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Is soup kill a thing?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning

Spoiler: show

lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

jfc Alison you came to play. I take it you aren't the Gambit Demon this go around?

How is this ever not wolf to town

[alexa]

Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

Spoiler: show

Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Wow this got intense so quick

Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Who is Neeko?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

Spoiler: show

I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Is soup kill a thing?

Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning

Spoiler: show

lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

jfc Alison you came to play. I take it you aren't the Gambit Demon this go around?

How is this ever not wolf to town

yeah idk i townread alison but i'm not gonna push read if there's mech

[c4e5g3d5]

Hi

Oh for fuck's sake

[NotAnAxehole]

i'm shooting alison at 2:55 if you don't rescind by then

glgl

All I have to say is: Good soup

Hopefully this doesn't backfire.

[alexa]

Actually I don't think I've been properly D1'd in awhile?

In Philo I got vigged on D2 or something though. *glares at Wilgy*

@alexa now's your chance

i think he is town tbh. not getting the "flat" part

[NotAnAxehole]

@Alison for the record, I told Alexa not to shoot you. I would like to be clear on that. Let the record show... This is not on me.

[Alison]

Good evening. I am back from what held me up yesterday. I realize it's a little close to EOD, and ai apologize for this - I'll do a more rapid skim with less ongoing thoughts, and then people can talk to me if they want.

[alexa]

@Alison for the record, I told Alexa not to shoot you. I would like to be clear on that. Let the record show... This is not on me.

you're not rescinding your red check though?

[NotAnAxehole]

@Alison for the record, I told Alexa not to shoot you. I would like to be clear on that. Let the record show... This is not on me.

you're not rescinding your red check though?

No

[alexa]

Alison I haven't shot you yet, but NAA is claiming a red check never rescind.

[Creature]

I don't know if I can ever trust an NAA's red check

[Alison]

@Alison for the record, I told Alexa not to shoot you. I would like to be clear on that. Let the record show... This is not on me.

Why am I being shot D1? Because I was afk for 24 hours, due to real life circumstances, as the player in the game who had done the most solving prior to that?

[alexa]

@Alison for the record, I told Alexa not to shoot you. I would like to be clear on that. Let the record show... This is not on me.

Why am I being shot D1? Because I was afk for 24 hours, due to real life circumstances, as the player in the game who had done the most solving prior to that?

i've had you as a villager since early, but i've said that if NAA isn't rescinding his red check, i will shoot you, then we will chop him if it's wrong. he is essentially forcing himself into a CC with you so idk what to do here.

[TonyStarkPrime]

what's going on

[Alison]

Alison I haven't shot you yet, but NAA is claiming a red check never rescind.

Cool.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

[TonyStarkPrime]

wtf

[Creature]

@Alison for the record, I told Alexa not to shoot you. I would like to be clear on that. Let the record show... This is not on me.

Why am I being shot D1? Because I was afk for 24 hours, due to real life circumstances, as the player in the game who had done the most solving prior to that?

NAA is claiming a red check on you

[TonyStarkPrime]

don't do nonsense

[TonyStarkPrime]

bye

[NotAnAxehole]

Alison I haven't shot you yet, but NAA is claiming a red check never rescind.

Cool.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

Holding this vote is a scum claim, I've spent the entire time since the red check asking for you to be kept alive for day 2.

[c4e5g3d5]

I'll be back when certain slots stfu I can't do this

[nutella]

alison actually might be wolf

[alexa]

Shooty mcshooty face, put Alison in their place!

@NANOOKTHECONQUEROR
@dunya
@juliets

This is purely on mech.

[Alison]

@Alison for the record, I told Alexa not to shoot you. I would like to be clear on that. Let the record show... This is not on me.

Why am I being shot D1? Because I was afk for 24 hours, due to real life circumstances, as the player in the game who had done the most solving prior to that?

i've had you as a villager since early, but i've said that if NAA isn't rescinding his red check, i will shoot you, then we will chop him if it's wrong. he is essentially forcing himself into a CC with you so idk what to do here.

That's the mechanically correct thing to do yeah. I'm a little wary he's some kind of ToS Executioner style role, but I don't think Nanook would make a role that just needed to say "I have a red check!" and win. I see he has a large wagon on him, so I think he's just trying to suicide bomb a strong townie before he goes.

[NotAnAxehole]

Oh god... Here we go

[c4e5g3d5]

Oh god fucking damnit

[NotAnAxehole]

I said don't shoot

[Creature]

Really afraid of this backfiring tbh

[NotAnAxehole]

I said

[NotAnAxehole]

Don't shoot

[Justplayingitcool]

how funny would it be if Alison is actually the gambit demon

[NotAnAxehole]

I did say...

[NotAnAxehole]

Good soup...

[alexa]

i said i was shooting at 2:55 if you didn't rescind and you said you don't rescind

[Alison]

I wish I had been permitted to catch up and leave a legacy before I died. Thanks for the game. Vote out NAA, please.

[Creature]

Guess this game now officially sucks

[nutella]

Good soup...

lol


idk whats gonna happen gl

[NotAnAxehole]

i said i was shooting at 2:55 if you didn't rescind and you said you don't rescind

You don't understand

[Alison]

Nah I don't have hard feelings. Alexa played it mech optimal. So did NAA. That's just how this game works.

[alexa]

I wish I had been permitted to catch up and leave a legacy before I died. Thanks for the game. Vote out NAA, please.

if you're a villager i'm sorry, but there was nothing else for me to do

he was given 10 opportunities to rescind

[Alison]

I am going to flip town JOAT. I have no Vengeful or Bomb or anything. I do have an excellent night ability which I am sad to see leave the town. (I won't disclose it, on the offchance there's a day doctor or something, but you'll see if I flip.)

[c4e5g3d5]

That was glaringly fake

Not to shit talk but that was glaringly fake and I thought you were just trying to scare Axe into shutting up so I didn't interfere

[Creature]

I wish I had been permitted to catch up and leave a legacy before I died. Thanks for the game. Vote out NAA, please.

if you're a villager i'm sorry, but there was nothing else for me to do

he was given 10 opportunities to rescind

He also said to not shoot

[NotAnAxehole]

I wish I had been permitted to catch up and leave a legacy before I died. Thanks for the game. Vote out NAA, please.

if you're a villager i'm sorry, but there was nothing else for me to do

he was given 10 opportunities to rescind

YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND

I said don't shoot.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

A shot was fired!

@Alison has died and flips TOWN! They reveal as:

Ra’s al Ghul

You are a JOAT! You have three different one shot abilities:

1x tracker: target a player at night and learn who they visit, if anyone.
1x vanilla cop: target a player at night and learn if they are vanilla or not (goon will also scan as vanilla)
1x loyal poison: target a player at night to poison them. The player poisoned will be announced at SOD. If they are town, they will die at EOD. If they are mafia, they will not die at EOD.

Day continues!

Spoiler: show

@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ EnderWiggin
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ NotAnAxehole
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ Seanzie
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Urist

[Sloonei]

Here's some food for thought

112 is in wolf range

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
*sheep noises*

[nutella]

That was glaringly fake

Not to shit talk but that was glaringly fake and I thought you were just trying to scare Axe into shutting up so I didn't interfere

okay so you ARE a wolf with tmi, cool

@ilario yeah, i figured it out o/\o