GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Sloonei]

ppl dizzy was voting for
112
drwigly
paopan
sabie
sig
TSP

these are probably not all town

[ilario]

vote: alexa

nahhhh, dw dizzy snowed me too with the emotional stuff first time we played. theyre a great wolf.

guillo might have had some w/w interactions with dizzy btw

/vote guillo

which post?

Honestly I can’t remember, you might have to iso guillo. I just remember thinking that his read on dizzy felt fake as fuck and I told myself if dizzy flipped scum I should tunnel guillo

Maybe my memory is off

[nutella]

vote: alexa

nahhhh, dw dizzy snowed me too with the emotional stuff first time we played. theyre a great wolf.

guillo might have had some w/w interactions with dizzy btw

/vote guillo

Hmm maybe I should actually just vote guillo and alexa as a package deal

[hollowkatt]

ppl dizzy was voting for
112
drwigly
paopan
sabie
sig
TSP

Does Dizzy bus that people know of?
Instict says she probably voted at least 1 Mafia just from the fact they have 6 votes and distancing.

it's been a long time since I played against wolf dizzy, I don't remember. I would say though just math says there's a wolf in that bucket.
Seems like a chunk of LHF though so maybe dizzy felt these were safe?

[ilario]

wait @ilario can i ask you, when you said mid d1 there was a deepwolf, who was that

i thought it was guillo but his eod was towny so i got less sure

but then the dizzy flip is bad for him so im back at 50/50

[hollowkatt]

ppl dizzy was voting for
112
drwigly
paopan
sabie
sig
TSP

these are probably not all town

probably not but they also all feel LHF/Safe to park on b/c nobody is really going to question them.

[LinearPoint]

list arranged by tier with highest in a given tier being towniest of that group. notes provided on some but not all players.

Lock town, never look back:
112

Town read:
Belzy - my highest townread; albeit i have reservations even here i think this is a pretty solidly town slot: insights are original, seems to have conviction in stated reads and is approaching the game in a very problem-solvey way indicative of village alignment
Seanzie - i was wrong
ilario - similar to Belzy.,. also has many times throughout the game submitted several posts in succession, sometimes carrying a chain of thought--something wolves are less likely to do or otherwise tend to have trouble doing. substantive contributions.
c4 - here because people are talking about him like he's lock town and i don't have any reason to really scumread him

town lean:
nutella
alexa - people say she's a strong wolf, i think probably still town. i will, however, keep my eyes peeled
hallowkat - less sure than i was upon initial gut because i've seen some shade thrown his way and i seem to be influenced by it to a degree but still reasonably confident here
falcon - i'm not sure, but he's my strongest read from the CDC crew still in the game. has been trending up in play over the past year or two- not convinced this is his scum game, though
LinearPoint - if there's a read i'm going to get bit on it's this one, - roleplaying plays on my psychology, - but probs town

neutral
Paopan - don't like the slot enough to bump it up yet but not much negative to say here at present
Master R. - i liked the first things i read from him but have gotten some bad vibes here-and-there. he townleaned(read?) me but then retracted when i decided to add too much to a post and he didn't like it. i'll admit it was kind of a silly add-on from me at the time, but i'm not sure he'd be so antsy about it unless he was trying to gain towncred as a wolf? gun-to-my-head town at this point but i'm going to be sussing the slot out hard over the next while
Alison
dyachei
Creature - i liked him at first and do admit he was sharing thoughts early-game that i was having without me even expressing them. seems to be really conservative though and i'm not a huge fan
Phil and Gloria - trending up, trending down, lost in the abyss of 112's reads rn

maf lean:
sabie12 - not much to say here as her post quantity is rather low, which i don't want to criticize her for. but there's stuff i don't like in what is a small sample
EnderWiggin - i'm thinking he may have been caught and just doubled-down with the openwolfing in an attempt to get out of yeet candidacy?
Guillotine

mafia lean but also read:
Dizzy and Bo

null/haven't seen enough or anything of
urist
axe!
Wilgy, MD
Justplayingitcool
sig
Porscha
sloon
TonyStarkPrime

too many nulls but honestly i haven't been able to catch the posters listed there enough

where i'm at, hope it sparks someone's wandering genius

Why am I mafia? Why is Dizzy mafia? Why is falcon town?

This is like Gullio's only comment on Dizzy that wasn't just banter that Neeko found.

[nutella]

BTW I have mechanical information that implies we should *not* be killing Guillo today (it is not a green check).

Add guillo in there too

town, i thought he was maf yesterday but his reaction to me saying i was gonna shoot him + some info i have now, he is town

vote: alexa

nahhhh, dw dizzy snowed me too with the emotional stuff first time we played. theyre a great wolf.

guillo might have had some w/w interactions with dizzy btw

/vote guillo

i didn't even get to iso him and i thought he was being towny, does anyone claim that? but yeah i feel really bad. also guillo can die my mech iss not strong enough to clear him.

ilario is obvious/lock town

BTW this is literally SO inconsistent and maybe just w/w


[VOTE: guillo and alexa] aubergine

[nutella]

"it is not a green check"

"he's town though"

"nvm mech not strong"

ew ew ew

[ilario]

Does dizzys flip spew Betsy? Is there ever a world where that was some lvl 100 threatre? Unlikely atm I think?

[LinearPoint]

So only crossover is Dizzy voted Mac and Mac voted Dizzy.
No one else Dizzy was voting was on Dizzy's vote wagon.

[nutella]

ppl dizzy was voting for
112
drwigly
paopan
sabie
sig
TSP

hmmmmmm

[TonyStarkPrime]

tbh my real interpretation is just that Alexa is bad at mech

[nutella]

ppl dizzy was voting for
112
drwigly
paopan
sabie
sig
TSP

Does Dizzy bus that people know of?
Instict says she probably voted at least 1 Mafia just from the fact they have 6 votes and distancing.

he does not bus generally, but with the multiple vote mech and with him being under pressure i would imagine he has at least a vote or two on a partner

[alexa]

BTW I have mechanical information that implies we should *not* be killing Guillo today (it is not a green check).

Add guillo in there too

town, i thought he was maf yesterday but his reaction to me saying i was gonna shoot him + some info i have now, he is town

vote: alexa

nahhhh, dw dizzy snowed me too with the emotional stuff first time we played. theyre a great wolf.

guillo might have had some w/w interactions with dizzy btw

/vote guillo

i didn't even get to iso him and i thought he was being towny, does anyone claim that? but yeah i feel really bad. also guillo can die my mech iss not strong enough to clear him.

ilario is obvious/lock town

BTW this is literally SO inconsistent and maybe just w/w


[VOTE: guillo and alexa] aubergine

i also thought dizzy was town

so clearly i was aware my reads are fucking crap

[Creature]

ppl dizzy was voting for
112
drwigly
paopan
sabie
sig
TSP

So all lurksacks

[nutella]

wait @ilario can i ask you, when you said mid d1 there was a deepwolf, who was that

i thought it was guillo but his eod was towny so i got less sure

but then the dizzy flip is bad for him so im back at 50/50

cool

[Creature]

I'm growing more and more sus of alexa but not sure this is the time to consider killing her

[alexa]

i am unvoting myself bc i dont want to throw. sorrym il deal w this tomorrow

[Creature]

Opinions on Radishes?

[nutella]

I'm growing more and more sus of alexa but not sure this is the time to consider killing her

Yeah

I genuinely think the dizzy/guillo/alexa associations are worth scrutiny at least

[alexa]

I'm growing more and more sus of alexa but not sure this is the time to consider killing her

you should probably kill me for playing a trash game. im sure keeping me alive will make it even worse

[nutella]

i am unvoting myself bc i dont want to throw. sorrym il deal w this tomorrow

lol the crytyping

[Creature]

sig is a lurksack that may be wolf but I'm slightly less sure on them than I was on Dislexycon

[nutella]

Opinions on Radishes?

still town imo

dont fully remember what the dizzy interactions there were but yeah

[LinearPoint]

Scum can pick roles or players. If I had to pick, I’d definitely pick roles. Seems way more powerful, and picking people just seems like a ehhhh kind of mechanic. But that’s just me.

Picking the mafia team was done once at PerC in a game where the IC was mafia. Yeah. Think about that lol

This may also be an important post to note.
Dizzy was against the idea scum picked players.

Dizzy's reads Neeko could find at a glance

On page 16 or something

Town:
Alexa
Guillo
Sean
Marmot
Belzy
Ilario

This list could probably be longer, but these are the people I care more about.

Alright, if I'm shot by a town gg gl, no hard feelings. Gotta sleep.

Dya
Alexa
Belzy
Sean
Guillo
Alison

Nut
Ilario
Jpic
MR

^towns.

[Creature]

c4e5g3d5 is maybe worth revisiting

[LinearPoint]

basically Dizzy town read the following excluding dead and ilario
Dya, Alexa, Belzy, Guillo, Nut, Jpic

She did town read Marmot too which is 1 scum she townread.

[Creature]

Scum can pick roles or players. If I had to pick, I’d definitely pick roles. Seems way more powerful, and picking people just seems like a ehhhh kind of mechanic. But that’s just me.

Picking the mafia team was done once at PerC in a game where the IC was mafia. Yeah. Think about that lol

This may also be an important post to note.
Dizzy was against the idea scum picked players.

Dizzy's reads Neeko could find at a glance

On page 16 or something

Town:
Alexa
Guillo
Sean
Marmot
Belzy
Ilario

This list could probably be longer, but these are the people I care more about.

Alright, if I'm shot by a town gg gl, no hard feelings. Gotta sleep.

Dya
Alexa
Belzy
Sean
Guillo
Alison

Nut
Ilario
Jpic
MR

^towns.

Interesting Dyslexicon just shoved Marmot in their townreads. I suspect Marmot may not be the only wolf there.

[nutella]

Scum can pick roles or players. If I had to pick, I’d definitely pick roles. Seems way more powerful, and picking people just seems like a ehhhh kind of mechanic. But that’s just me.

Picking the mafia team was done once at PerC in a game where the IC was mafia. Yeah. Think about that lol

This may also be an important post to note.
Dizzy was against the idea scum picked players.

Dizzy's reads Neeko could find at a glance

On page 16 or something

Town:
Alexa
Guillo
Sean
Marmot
Belzy
Ilario

This list could probably be longer, but these are the people I care more about.

Alright, if I'm shot by a town gg gl, no hard feelings. Gotta sleep.

Dya
Alexa
Belzy
Sean
Guillo
Alison

Nut
Ilario
Jpic
MR

^towns.

Mmmm alexa and guillo consistently mixed in with otherwise relatively conf towns. My suspicions deepen

[LinearPoint]

Dya also shot Marmot which neeko forgot about.
So Dizzy read Alexa, Belzy, Guillo, Nut, Jpic as Town from the not mech cleared town reads.

[Creature]

Could Guillotine be wolf without alexa?

[nutella]

I felt discouraged at eod/sod but now have the hype feeling back that we may have just broken the wolf team wide open and could potentially even be onto deepwolf alexa and it's exciting

Mvp ilario

[Paopan]

Restructuring my vote in accordance to flips

Alexa - Acts towny, plays scummy
Ilario - tied with Alexa
C4 - Same reason as Alexa
Sabie - Scum read since Day 1

Belzy - Deep wolf potential
Guillo - Probably wolf
JPIC - Not looking good atm
MR - Parking

[nutella]

I think guillo is like, near outed actually by dizzy stuff and not being really towny.

And alexa looks pretty bad on association but want to tread more carefully there. One thing to consider is the whole weird thing where guillo asked her to shoot him and claimed it would confirm her or whatever, could be a weird w/w gambit

but tl;dr guillo feels like a more solid hit and alexa is a maybe

[LinearPoint]

The only thing is Neeko still isn't convinced wolf Alexa just posts that she has info on Nutella's role without Nutella also being a wolf.
So if Alexa is wolf Nutella is practically confirmed wolf too.
Dizzy was town reading both as well so that is a real possibility.

[nutella]

The only thing is Neeko still isn't convinced wolf Alexa just posts that she has info on Nutella's role without Nutella also being a wolf.
So if Alexa is wolf Nutella is practically confirmed wolf too.
Dizzy was town reading both as well so that is a real possibility.

Lmao what

[nutella]

"wolf doesn't post a fake redcheck on a villager" :thonk:

[nutella]

Anyway murder guillo with fire, hold alexa under heavy microscope

[LinearPoint]

The only thing is Neeko still isn't convinced wolf Alexa just posts that she has info on Nutella's role without Nutella also being a wolf.
So if Alexa is wolf Nutella is practically confirmed wolf too.
Dizzy was town reading both as well so that is a real possibility.

Lmao what

Well Day 1 Alexa said she has info pointing towards you being scum.
Why would Mafia!Alexa post that if Mafia had a soup kill they could just use on you instead?
It doesn't make sense unless Alexa just lied about having info on you, but you seemed convinced she actually did or if both of you were Mafia staging it.

[nutella]

I dont think Alexa has a N0 check.
I think she tried to fake a red check on her own partner and planned to retract it but i happened to ruin their little plan.

You're doing that thing again where you assume others would do pointless crazy shit just for the sake of it, but pretty sure Alexa and Nutella would never do that, because there would be no point to that. Everyone does not play as you do and this theory makes no sense. Alexa's peek is probably real and Nutella has a role that's somehow traditionally scummy, but that doesn't really have any bearing on her alignment. Except it might, cause mafia could pick roles.

Is this w/w theatre

[nutella]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@Guillotine is it a full role reveal?

because if so i'll literally just get soup killed

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@Guillotine is it a full role reveal?

because if so i'll literally just get soup killed

No. But besides this piece of info is important:

Mod confirmed roles in the thread can never be souped! I run games with soup kills and the first thing i tell scum is that roles or flavor that are mod confirmed in the thread cannot be souped and Nanook has seen them and i'd like to think he learnt from me. Maybe

Is this w/w theatre

[DrWilgy]

So like, we can choose to not yeet me now right?

[ilario]

Any protectives we have should be on Nutella or creature. If they’re scum then ggwp they’ve consistently snowed me the entire game but I think they’re just town and likely to be nkd soon.

[LinearPoint]

Although a mafia rolecop already flipped along with a mafia tracker.
it doesn't really add up mafia would also have more info gathering in alexa.

[ilario]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@Guillotine is it a full role reveal?

because if so i'll literally just get soup killed

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

lmao WTF is this reaction

how can you repeatedly say your wolf range is infinite and that people shouldn't be townreading you then react like this to me wanting you shot?

i don't want to shoot you if you're a villager. this is not because i'm a "cowardly wolf" it's because i want to shoot right dude

@alexa I hard claim screamer. The alignment and identity of the player that kills me is revealed in the thread. If you are town and wanna be inno child, just shoot me.

It does not work for soup kills though. So there, im dead either way, take the shot and carry us to victory if you are town

@Guillotine is it a full role reveal?

because if so i'll literally just get soup killed

No. But besides this piece of info is important:

Mod confirmed roles in the thread can never be souped! I run games with soup kills and the first thing i tell scum is that roles or flavor that are mod confirmed in the thread cannot be souped and Nanook has seen them and i'd like to think he learnt from me. Maybe

Is this w/w theatre

I think it’s safer to flip guillo first and then go from there.

I actually have some free time today so I’ll rr some stuff I missed d1.

Oh and I still need to read today so I’ll do that too

[alexa]

literally please just kill me i do not want to play this game

vote: alexa

sorry im having mental health things but ya i know im dumb.

[nutella]

The only thing is Neeko still isn't convinced wolf Alexa just posts that she has info on Nutella's role without Nutella also being a wolf.
So if Alexa is wolf Nutella is practically confirmed wolf too.
Dizzy was town reading both as well so that is a real possibility.

Lmao what

Well Day 1 Alexa said she has info pointing towards you being scum.
Why would Mafia!Alexa post that if Mafia had a soup kill they could just use on you instead?
It doesn't make sense unless Alexa just lied about having info on you, but you seemed convinced she actually did or if both of you were Mafia staging it.

Like, to see if she could push me, and make herself look towny when she pulls back when I act towny in the face of it? Alternatively bc she could still think I was 3p, she said so herself, and thought she could get some cred for offing a 3p.

I mean maybe it makes more sense that she really is just town and her recognizing I was town was real and stuff but I can easily see that explanation for it.

[nutella]

So like, we can choose to not yeet me now right?

Yeah maybe

[alexa]

ftr i will not be posting anymore