GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[alexa]

i unvoted myself bc i dont want to be toxic but if i dont tab back into this game again, i'm sorry. but i probably will tomorrow.

[nutella]

Actually Dizzy may just spew Wiggly as Mafia.
Their whole approach to Wiggly is odd with calling Wiggly possible mafia and not wanting to get off Ender to vote Wiggly and letting Sean be lynched over Wiggly.

Hmm

Putting my vote back on him for now tbh, need to look more into both him and 112

[nutella]

Idk I really feel like wilgy looks towny today but yeah

[ilario]

Idk I really feel like wilgy looks towny today but yeah

He hasn’t pinged me at all this game so Idm sheeping u on this read. He feels >rand town to me I think

[hollowkatt]

Restructuring my vote in accordance to flips

Alexa - Acts towny, plays scummy
Ilario - tied with Alexa
C4 - Same reason as Alexa
Sabie - Scum read since Day 1

Belzy - Deep wolf potential
Guillo - Probably wolf
JPIC - Not looking good atm
MR - Parking

hey, how are you different from the SC2 game that just finished?

?

It's a simple question really. You were a wolf in that game. Can you talk about how you think you are different in this game than you were in that game?

I am not sure how to answer that question.
That's like asking how many inches I grew since you last saw me

I'd like you to try if you would.

IDK? I feel like I'm incredibly solvy right now.

that is something you have going for you that you didn't have last time we played.

[LinearPoint]

Actually it's even more weird when you realize Ender wasn't even in Dizzy's Mafia PoE and they were hard town reading Sean.
They pretty much stood aside and let the wagon go from Wiggly who they were scum reading straight to Sean who they were town reading.

[hollowkatt]

wilgy and MR might be wolfing

Why? I feel like ur game view is pretty narrow in the posts I’ve see. . What’s your other reads?

I think dya has the marmot pelt and that goes a long way for me.

Yeah that’s enough for me to give them a pass but I still find their worldview Troubling unless sig is mafia then Idm it. But I don’t like their handling of mr

dya is a super good wolf but I dunno if dya is "kill your own pack mate" type of wolf. your mileage may vary.

[ilario]

Every time Sabie posts I'm like 'this is probably scum' but I never want to push there because I don't think that cracks the game open anyway.

Posts like these feel like billboard town to me tbh

[ilario]

wilgy and MR might be wolfing

Why? I feel like ur game view is pretty narrow in the posts I’ve see. . What’s your other reads?

I think dya has the marmot pelt and that goes a long way for me.

Yeah that’s enough for me to give them a pass but I still find their worldview Troubling unless sig is mafia then Idm it. But I don’t like their handling of mr

dya is a super good wolf but I dunno if dya is "kill your own pack mate" type of wolf. your mileage may vary.

Kk I’ll keep that in mind, I understand they’re probably busy irl anyways so I won’t prod any further than the two questions I asked earlier

[LinearPoint]

uhh, recanting my seanzie read if it matters at this point

marmot, sabie, dizzy are all good suspects imo

and i could easily see BK as a wolf in this one

112 didn't have many interactions with Dizzy, but Neeko doesn't think a wolf puts 2 partners as immediate suspects D1.
At the very least Sabie and 112 can't both be Mafia otherwise this post is just really odd play by 112.

[nutella]

uhh, recanting my seanzie read if it matters at this point

marmot, sabie, dizzy are all good suspects imo

and i could easily see BK as a wolf in this one

112 didn't have many interactions with Dizzy, but Neeko doesn't think a wolf puts 2 partners as immediate suspects D1.
At the very least Sabie and 112 can't both be Mafia otherwise this post is just really odd play by 112.

Decent data point ty

[nutella]

Gn for now

[DrWilgy]

literally please just kill me i do not want to play this game

vote: alexa

sorry im having mental health things but ya i know im dumb.

[LinearPoint]

OK, so TSP was scum reading Dizzy.
So Dizzy may just have thrown him in to cast doubt on him.
TSP and Dizzy never really directly interacted though and TSP even said he didn't really even see Dizzy had posted which means he probably wasn't keeping a close eye on Dizzy.
Not a concrete towntell, but is noteworthy as Mafia tend to have a much higher awareness of their partners in Neeko's experience.

[Phil and Gloria]

I'm growing more and more sus of alexa but not sure this is the time to consider killing her

you should probably kill me for playing a trash game. im sure keeping me alive will make it even worse

[Phil and Gloria]

Actually it's even more weird when you realize Ender wasn't even in Dizzy's Mafia PoE and they were hard town reading Sean.
They pretty much stood aside and let the wagon go from Wiggly who they were scum reading straight to Sean who they were town reading.

doesn't seem that weird tbh

[Phil and Gloria]

I felt discouraged at eod/sod but now have the hype feeling back that we may have just broken the wolf team wide open and could potentially even be onto deepwolf alexa and it's exciting

Mvp ilario

lol vibez

[ilario]

Scum can pick roles or players. If I had to pick, I’d definitely pick roles. Seems way more powerful, and picking people just seems like a ehhhh kind of mechanic. But that’s just me.

Picking the mafia team was done once at PerC in a game where the IC was mafia. Yeah. Think about that lol

I just had a thought. We should be really fucking careful with even hinting at roles this game. Mafia being able to pick roles would mean they would know what roles are in the game in the first place. Couple this with the soup mechanic of matching people to roles, and we could have impending doom waiting for us pretty fast if we're not careful. Which would be a really lame way for this game to go. So I strongly recommend just not outing roles this game.

I'm registering that a lot of people say they would have picked me as mafia in a draft. And while that's cute, I would just like to make it clear that I would bitch slap the living shit out of anyone who did that. I think it's pretty widely known I hate to play as mafia lol.

Lowkey the way dizzy talks about picking players being absurd and his reaction to being picked makes me kinda think he was picked lol and was trying to steer the town into thinking that mafia chose roles instead

[ilario]

I will shield creature today if I have to

Creature saying all wagons were likely T gives me odd vibes.

Like I was openly wolf siding all day yesterday.

Towny perspective tbh

[Phil and Gloria]

I wish town would stop claiming roles but ok

I am on the top train.
It makes sense for me to claim. As for the others, no

would like it noted that i've been shielding you lol

[alexa]

guys do you still want me to iso dizzy

[ilario]

i am convinced that nobody who plays mafia with me knows how to read me these days.

i do not even know how to read myself.

i am unreadable.

i am god.

Join the club lol. Didn't you nag all game that I was scum last GoC, and then you turned out to be some cult anti-town monster 3p or something? HMMM

i am convinced that nobody who plays mafia with me knows how to read me these days.

i do not even know how to read myself.

i am unreadable.

i am god.

Join the club lol. Didn't you nag all game that I was scum last GoC, and then you turned out to be some cult anti-town monster 3p or something? HMMM

i do not remember more than 5 minutes ago generally, so not sure

i will townread you for the rest of the game because of this interaction, however

Meh this doesn’t feel w/w to me, plus I found 112 towny d1 regardless

[LinearPoint]

Sig is so hard to read from sheer lack of posts.
But acknowledging Marmot spewing Alison as Town and then voting Alison is odd.
Also they basically just commented on obvious things and added nothing to conversations day 1.

[ilario]

guys do you still want me to iso dizzy

Ur great at spew so if that’s something u feel like doing then sure but if you need a break that’s understandable too

[Master Radishes]

Only read the ping. Who shot Dizzy?

[Phil and Gloria]

guys do you still want me to iso dizzy

of course

[LinearPoint]

Dizzy is town by default

This is a really odd dismissal of the scum reads on Dizzy D1.

Actually the more Neeko reads this ISO the worse it becomes.
A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.
It's boarderline too lazy to be wolf posts. They are actually just coasting lol.

[Master Radishes]

I was lying in bed last night thinking about this game and had settled on Dizzy being scum.

My brain is just a bit slow this game it seems.

[Phil and Gloria]

I am not sure I've seen a wolf as obvious as linearpoint in my life

Mac, have you landed your reads yet?

I see town potential in LP, and I'd really like to know what Urist and Mac are seeing there as "outed".

[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Dizzy is town by default

This is a really odd dismissal of the scum reads on Dizzy D1.

Actually the more Neeko reads this ISO the worse it becomes.
A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.
It's boarderline too lazy to be wolf posts. They are actually just coasting lol.

That was not a read on Dizzy in this game. That was a comment about Dizzy as a mafia player/human being in general.

I was not, and still am not, actively reading the thread. I'm just glancing in to see what's happening at the present. "Coasting", as you call it.

[Sloonei]

A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.

This has happened a maximum of one time.

[Phil and Gloria]

moving my alexa vote to sloonster again

[Paopan]

I am not sure I've seen a wolf as obvious as linearpoint in my life

Mac, have you landed your reads yet?

I see town potential in LP, and I'd really like to know what Urist and Mac are seeing there as "outed".

[VOTE: linearpoint] aubergine

Add this along with the Urist kill.
Plausible...

[LinearPoint]

A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.

This has happened a maximum of one time.

Well, 1 person but like 3 seperate times you posted the exact phrase "Nutella is town"

[sabie12]

Okay awesome I see we finally got another mafia. I wasn't sure on dizzy but after the ender flip I was thinking he might have been scum. What do we think of the other ender voters? Jpic and falcon? I didn't have a strong read on either of them. I'll have to see if there was interaction with dizzy from them.

[Phil and Gloria]

@LinearPoint you been pretty good today but ahem ya outed get out

[ilario]

seanzie was such a blatantly, ridiculously awful wagon that i'm 99% sure everyone who was on it is town

Townie

It would be easy for a wolf here to say we should kill the wagon when in reality a villager getting majority yeeeted d1 often means very little about the people on the wagon

[Sloonei]

A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.

This has happened a maximum of one time.

Well, 1 person but like 3 seperate times you posted the exact phrase "Nutella is town"

That's because nutella is town.

[ilario]

seanzie was such a blatantly, ridiculously awful wagon that i'm 99% sure everyone who was on it is town

this is a bad take, IMO there's no way in fucking hell that whole wagon was town

By bad do you mean scummy? Or bad cos it’s wrong?

[LinearPoint]

Neeko will say this. She never, advocates killing people that are scum reading her as Mafia.
Neeko likes the danger.

[LinearPoint]

A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.

This has happened a maximum of one time.

Well, 1 person but like 3 seperate times you posted the exact phrase "Nutella is town"

That's because nutella is town.

4

[Sloonei]

A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.

This has happened a maximum of one time.

Well, 1 person but like 3 seperate times you posted the exact phrase "Nutella is town"

That's because nutella is town.

4

I fail to see the point you are attempting to make.

[Sloonei]

nutella town
nutella town
nutella town
therefore sloonei mafia?

[LinearPoint]

A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.

This has happened a maximum of one time.

Well, 1 person but like 3 seperate times you posted the exact phrase "Nutella is town"

That's because nutella is town.

4

I fail to see the point you are attempting to make.

Well objectively you've said it more than once. So "maximum of one time" is wrong.

[LinearPoint]

nutella town
nutella town
nutella town
therefore sloonei mafia?

Hmm, Neeko misjudged your ability to understand jokes.

[sabie12]

Jpic and dizzy had a few interactions and they were townreading each other. Jpic followed dizzys vote on ender saying he trusted them. Could be teammate interactions

[ilario]

Okay last post then I need to like close this tab so I can finish my fucking work and go to bed.


At the moment I don't know which direction to go in. A lot of my 'hmmm' slots from D1 are now dead town, meaning I've been going wrong somewhere or even in a lot of places. Equally, I've had a few reads that turned out correct, including (most importantly to me) a correct sense that EoD was not going right (I love flash wagons but none of them felt right), and also that I was correct to TR Alison despite my paranoia about doing so too easily. So I can't be a complete moron, I guess.

I don't want to touch slots like Sloonei, Sabie, Porscha, Sig because although I bet there's a wolf or two in that grouping, the whole team isn't, meaning there are active and impactful wolves here in the thread doing things, and those are the ones I want to find first. If we leave them, they go deep and the game gets harder, especially if we misfire on the slanky wolves. Conversely, if we can find a lead wolf or two, we'll have time and space to pick off the hiders.

So my mind is like...'am I sure about nutella, alexa, mac, etc?' And I don't know whether that's my brain screaming at me or pure paranoia. But if it's the latter then where the fuck are the wolves.

This got rambling so I'm stopping now. Whatever purpose I started with is gone.

Another billboard town post

[Sloonei]

A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.

This has happened a maximum of one time.

Well, 1 person but like 3 seperate times you posted the exact phrase "Nutella is town"

That's because nutella is town.

4

I fail to see the point you are attempting to make.

Well objectively you've said it more than once. So "maximum of one time" is wrong.

Oh. We're just arguing semantics.

"A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them."

There has only been one instance of me outright sheeping a player in this game. That was nutella when I voted for 112 yesterday. But I did not call nutella town when doing so. I just liked an idea she put forth and tried to supply it with legs.

None of this is important, but I am left to question why it was brought up in the first place.

[sabie12]

why are people considering dizzy scummy? i'm still in process of rring but i do not see this at all and historically i have a very good read on them, if that matters

I'm thinking because they were defending marmot who flipped mafia. I don't know if that's a norm for them though to defend a teammate like that.

I know Dizzy doesn't like bussing teammates, especially early on

This was the one notable thing from falcon about dizzy stating that he doesn't like to bus teammates early on.

[Phil and Gloria]

Okay last post then I need to like close this tab so I can finish my fucking work and go to bed.


At the moment I don't know which direction to go in. A lot of my 'hmmm' slots from D1 are now dead town, meaning I've been going wrong somewhere or even in a lot of places. Equally, I've had a few reads that turned out correct, including (most importantly to me) a correct sense that EoD was not going right (I love flash wagons but none of them felt right), and also that I was correct to TR Alison despite my paranoia about doing so too easily. So I can't be a complete moron, I guess.

I don't want to touch slots like Sloonei, Sabie, Porscha, Sig because although I bet there's a wolf or two in that grouping, the whole team isn't, meaning there are active and impactful wolves here in the thread doing things, and those are the ones I want to find first. If we leave them, they go deep and the game gets harder, especially if we misfire on the slanky wolves. Conversely, if we can find a lead wolf or two, we'll have time and space to pick off the hiders.

So my mind is like...'am I sure about nutella, alexa, mac, etc?' And I don't know whether that's my brain screaming at me or pure paranoia. But if it's the latter then where the fuck are the wolves.

This got rambling so I'm stopping now. Whatever purpose I started with is gone.

Another billboard town post

i take it you think radishes came down in the last shower?