GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Justplayingitcool]

Radish sanity check on c4 pls

[Master Radishes]

On my morning walk from his to work I was feeling increasingly convinced that TSP is scumming. I don't really remember why now because my short term memory is Swiss cheese, but someone remind me to circle back to this.

[Justplayingitcool]

On my morning walk from his to work I was feeling increasingly convinced that TSP is scumming. I don't really remember why now because my short term memory is Swiss cheese, but someone remind me to circle back to this.

Yes

[Master Radishes]

Radish sanity check on c4 pls

Good early D1 vibes, put him aside and haven't seriously reconsidered since. Haven't felt reason to and I've spent my mental energy on other slots.

Sloonei being a lawful version of slanky me and clearly having nagging doubts is enough to make me willing to listen though.

I dont think I have time to iso much this round due to irl but will provide sanity checks on any specific cases or concerns if desired.

[Master Radishes]

Ugh emoji unwanted. Stupid fingers.

[Belzy]

So right now I feel like deciding between Hollowkatt and Wilg could be a good idea, and keep an eye on Guillotine.

Wilg got most votes. Easy mislynch or actual scum?

Hollowkatt could be a very interesting lynch.

[ilario]

I don't really have any scum reads, but I would straight up yeet Sloonei here. He probably doesn't want to play because he's mafia.

We should not chop Marmot D1. He's probably town and in any case his alignment will show, and I'd rather have him around if he's town.

Noteworthy succession of posts here. He shades sloonei pretty hard but defends marmot and part of me thinks if someone randed scum with both sloonei and marmot and was committed to bussing someone d1 they would probably choose to bus marmot and defend sloonei. Not the other way around, so I feel like this looks decent for sloonei.

[Justplayingitcool]

tbh I don't remember any of HK's posts

[Belzy]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

[Master Radishes]

tbh I don't remember any of HK's posts

This is why I tossed out his name late in D1 tbh.

Then again, based on very limited meta maybe this is towny for him? Maybe.

[Master Radishes]

Low key think creature maybe has had the best finger on the pulse of the game in D2 so far, caveat being I haven't fully caught up.

[Justplayingitcool]

tbh I don't remember any of HK's posts

This is why I tossed out his name late in D1 tbh.

Then again, based on very limited meta maybe this is towny for him? Maybe.

idk, I'm just casting my mind back to GoC where he was a lot more in your face with his pushes, but here he seems limp and on the sides. Maybe people with more recent experience can confirm if he's just toned it down in general.

[Belzy]

tbh I don't remember any of HK's posts

When HK posted in the last 7 hours when I was sleeping HK posting is typically easy to forget but it is not real solving. I remember HK as a real solver who is more in your face than this. And his d1 case was pretty much Axe but without really appearing driven making it count. Last 7 hours posting, I can quote a few and tell you what I think.

[Justplayingitcool]

Low key think creature maybe has had the best finger on the pulse of the game in D2 so far, caveat being I haven't fully caught up.

Too bad they think I'm a wolf when I've defended him this phase lol

[ilario]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

[Master Radishes]

tbh I don't remember any of HK's posts

This is why I tossed out his name late in D1 tbh.

Then again, based on very limited meta maybe this is towny for him? Maybe.

idk, I'm just casting my mind back to GoC where he was a lot more in your face with his pushes, but here he seems limp and on the sides. Maybe people with more recent experience can confirm if he's just toned it down in general.

Yeah. Then again he's also more in your face as scum too I think. I dunno.

[Belzy]

tbh I don't remember any of HK's posts

This is why I tossed out his name late in D1 tbh.

Then again, based on very limited meta maybe this is towny for him? Maybe.

We are in very different places if you call that towny by HK.

[Justplayingitcool]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

why do you think hk is town?

[Belzy]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

If Wilg is town all d1 eod wagons were on town, lol, and that actually could be. I want to investigate HK further before considering him to be town.

[Master Radishes]

tbh I don't remember any of HK's posts

This is why I tossed out his name late in D1 tbh.

Then again, based on very limited meta maybe this is towny for him? Maybe.

We are in very different places if you call that towny by HK.

I don't think he's super towny, hence the double 'maybe'. I'm just looking for reasons to doubt myself.

[Master Radishes]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

If Wilg is town all d1 eod wagons were on town, lol, and that actually could be. I want to investigate HK further before considering him to be town.

All wagons being town would not surprise me. It felt off to me and I pride myself on gamestate reading.

[Belzy]

Restructuring my vote in accordance to flips

Alexa - Acts towny, plays scummy
Ilario - tied with Alexa
C4 - Same reason as Alexa
Sabie - Scum read since Day 1

Belzy - Deep wolf potential
Guillo - Probably wolf
JPIC - Not looking good atm
MR - Parking

hey, how are you different from the SC2 game that just finished?

Instead of focussing on this game, HK chooses to ask evidence why Paopan should be town by referring to the previous game. This is a classic avoiding real current game solving and just give the work to the other people. Demanding others to do the work, but not himself.

[Belzy]

wilgy and MR might be wolfing

Why? I feel like ur game view is pretty narrow in the posts I’ve see. . What’s your other reads?

I think dya has the marmot pelt and that goes a long way for me.

Yeah that’s enough for me to give them a pass but I still find their worldview Troubling unless sig is mafia then Idm it. But I don’t like their handling of mr

dya is a super good wolf but I dunno if dya is "kill your own pack mate" type of wolf. your mileage may vary.

This is HK his most recent post. Saying Dya is someone capable of deepwolving, but once again i see no real solving. More a general expression on someone than real focus on the actual game.

[Belzy]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

If Wilg is town all d1 eod wagons were on town, lol, and that actually could be. I want to investigate HK further before considering him to be town.

All wagons being town would not surprise me. It felt off to me and I pride myself on gamestate reading.

Yeah, eod1 was horrible.

[ilario]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

why do you think hk is town?

The read is pure meta but he hasn’t done any of his usual tells, his method of play feels very unappeasing which is a hallmark of his town game ime

[ilario]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

If Wilg is town all d1 eod wagons were on town, lol, and that actually could be. I want to investigate HK further before considering him to be town.

Well that’s the thing, people point to someone being a wagon to other town wagons like it’s some kind of smoking gun…but like if people are collectively wrong about 3 wagons what’s to say they aren’t wrong about the fourth? Let’s say if wilgy died instead and someone like Sean survived would that make him mafia because he was the cw to 3 other townies? It doesn’t change his role card.
Some of his posts today felt good enough for me that I don’t feel like he should be a top wagon imo

[Belzy]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

If Wilg is town all d1 eod wagons were on town, lol, and that actually could be. I want to investigate HK further before considering him to be town.

Well that’s the thing, people point to someone being a wagon to other town wagons like it’s some kind of smoking gun…but like if people are collectively wrong about 3 wagons what’s to say they aren’t wrong about the fourth? Let’s say if wilgy died instead and someone like Sean survived would that make him mafia because he was the cw to 3 other townies? It doesn’t change his role card.
Some of his posts today felt good enough for me that I don’t feel like he should be a top wagon imo

I like d2 Wilg more than d1 Wilg. D1 Wilg went from null/lhf to a late d1 posting I didn't like that much, to a d2 posting I like more. It is easy to regret lynching Seanzie over Wilg when knowing Sean is town. Eod1 really felt hopeless, and my d1 first choice was Dizzy and his wagon vanished before eod1. So now you did the right thing correcting that, and we need to avoid another eod drama. Make sure potential scumspects don't get their wagons easily vanished or never actually built.

[Justplayingitcool]

Before I went to sleep, Wilgy was improving after a slightly suspicious start. For some reason, my gut is telling me he is a misyeet

[Belzy]

Before I went to sleep, Wilgy was improving after a slightly suspicious start. For some reason, my gut is telling me he is a misyeet

Good night

[Belzy]

HK mafia, MR 3p

[Master Radishes]

Brlzy is probably just 3P for always bringing it up tbh.

[Belzy]

Brlzy is probably just 3P for always bringing it up tbh.

I am town, but nice try.

[Paopan]

Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few

Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

If Wilg is town all d1 eod wagons were on town, lol, and that actually could be. I want to investigate HK further before considering him to be town.

All wagons being town would not surprise me. It felt off to me and I pride myself on gamestate reading.

Yeah, eod1 was horrible.

Everyone says that EoD1 was horrible
But I actually got a lot of reads from that train wreck
It has its merits and it really gave me a lot of info on everyone and how to proceed with the ff. day

[Paopan]

Restructuring my vote in accordance to flips

Alexa - Acts towny, plays scummy
Ilario - tied with Alexa
C4 - Same reason as Alexa
Sabie - Scum read since Day 1

Belzy - Deep wolf potential
Guillo - Probably wolf
JPIC - Not looking good atm
MR - Parking

I really think we should flip HK next. Why is HK not on your list, and why am I not impressed by your reasons for your picks? And why is Wilg not on your list?

HK was included in my list pre-flip Dizzy
Honestly, I forgot why I removed HK

[Paopan]

Restructuring my vote in accordance to flips

Alexa - Acts towny, plays scummy
Ilario - tied with Alexa
C4 - Same reason as Alexa
Sabie - Scum read since Day 1

Belzy - Deep wolf potential
Guillo - Probably wolf
JPIC - Not looking good atm
MR - Parking

I really think we should flip HK next. Why is HK not on your list, and why am I not impressed by your reasons for your picks? And why is Wilg not on your list?

HK was included in my list pre-flip Dizzy
Honestly, I forgot why I removed HK

I consider the votes on Wigly and Sig due to policy lynch
So I'm ignoring them. I'd rather focus on the remaining players

[Paopan]

Restructuring my vote in accordance to flips

Alexa - Acts towny, plays scummy
Ilario - tied with Alexa
C4 - Same reason as Alexa
Sabie - Scum read since Day 1

Belzy - Deep wolf potential
Guillo - Probably wolf
JPIC - Not looking good atm
MR - Parking

I really think we should flip HK next. Why is HK not on your list, and why am I not impressed by your reasons for your picks? And why is Wilg not on your list?

HK was included in my list pre-flip Dizzy
Honestly, I forgot why I removed HK

I won't consider the votes on Wigly and Sig due to policy lynch
So I'm ignoring them. I'd rather focus on the remaining players

God I'm tired. I'mma check-in tommorow
Again, happy new year to all!
I hope you guys had a wonderful holiday

[ilario]

I need to leave for a few hours but it might be for the rest of the day maybe.

If you are gonna chop me or shoot me, do it today, today is the best day because im not invested, i haven had the time to play here and read all of it. Please don't wait until i get invested in the game to kill me, don't waste my time.

If im not chopped i promise i will keep a watchful eye during the night and try to out some thoughts we can work with tomorrow.

Guillo what happened to this?

[ilario]

Reading guillos iso I’m less sure of him being a hit now

He does have some decent moments in it

[Belzy]

Restructuring my vote in accordance to flips

Alexa - Acts towny, plays scummy
Ilario - tied with Alexa
C4 - Same reason as Alexa
Sabie - Scum read since Day 1

Belzy - Deep wolf potential
Guillo - Probably wolf
JPIC - Not looking good atm
MR - Parking

I really think we should flip HK next. Why is HK not on your list, and why am I not impressed by your reasons for your picks? And why is Wilg not on your list?

HK was included in my list pre-flip Dizzy
Honestly, I forgot why I removed HK

Restructuring my vote in accordance to flips

Alexa - Acts towny, plays scummy
Ilario - tied with Alexa
C4 - Same reason as Alexa
Sabie - Scum read since Day 1

Belzy - Deep wolf potential
Guillo - Probably wolf
JPIC - Not looking good atm
MR - Parking

I really think we should flip HK next. Why is HK not on your list, and why am I not impressed by your reasons for your picks? And why is Wilg not on your list?

HK was included in my list pre-flip Dizzy
Honestly, I forgot why I removed HK

I consider the votes on Wigly and Sig due to policy lynch
So I'm ignoring them. I'd rather focus on the remaining players

Yes, it is good to focus on the remaining players. So let's talk about Hollowkatt, Guillotine and MR.

[ilario]

@alexa if you have the shot, shoot me.

Everone else, when you see my flip! Chop Alexa, you will understand why? Just remember her little stunt with Nutella upon my flip

I bet Alexa will not have the ovaries to shoot me though, because she is a chicken when she rands scum.

I cant be here the rest of the day and im known to freeze when i rand scum in mashes, so Phil vote on me is townie because i think that is why Mac is voting me.

Good luck town.

Like I think the bottom part about mac seems like a townie thought

[ilario]

@Guillotine i read your iso and I think I’m okay with unvoting you for now, but if you’re town I know you can do better than what you’ve done so far so stop gif posting and whatever else it is

[Belzy]

D1 I was sad cuz Dizzy his wagon vanished i felt strongest lynching him. I connected him highly with Marmot, but Marmot got chopped middle of the day, and then eventually we had this crazy eod. Now I want us to orchestrate the right lynch. Hollowkatt is my strongest pick right now, so let's orchestrate a Hollowkatt lynch, and unless we find reasons to go elsewhere instead during this process, I hope we set up a lynch before eod2 is coming and we all go nuts in the CFD's again.

[ilario]

i think i agree with the dizzy town reads

hmmmmmmm

[TonyStarkPrime]

Funny right at this moment, Paopan is voting Betzy and is voting me with Betzy.

I forbid you from continuing to entertain your current Belzy suspicion for the next hour. I say this as TonyStarkPrime, your attorney.

I was just about to say this too

[sabie12]

I'm registering that a lot of people say they would have picked me as mafia in a draft. And while that's cute, I would just like to make it clear that I would bitch slap the living shit out of anyone who did that. I think it's pretty widely known I hate to play as mafia lol.

that's what makes you so good at it, your tone stays town, just... sadder

Right

DIZZY!!!!!

Good evening, HK. Hope you are doing swell or acceptable at the very least.

I am peachy keen my friend. I'm glad you're here.

I'd windmill slam dizzy and mac into my wolf pile b/c they make wolf chat fun

Notable Hk posts regarding dizzy. They also gave marmot a pass day 1.

[Creature]

Okay I think I'm fairly convinced at these two

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sig] aubergine

[Justplayingitcool]

i think i agree with the dizzy town reads

hmmmmmmm

It was an admittedly bad read in hindsight

[Creature]

Okay I think I'm fairly convinced at these two

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine
[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I have no idea who else can be wolves and I'm hoping those two are hits. We need to decrease the number of possible wolf names.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is Alexa more likely to do ~that~ as wolf or town after a wolf flip?

[Justplayingitcool]

All I remember from sig was his alison derp