GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Belzy]

Okay I still only have hollowkatt for wolf but

c4e5g3d5
Master Radishes

May be an interesting place to look at

Agreed

[Belzy]

Sig c4 HK MR as today's lynched , i approve

[TonyStarkPrime]

I can easily see sig making that shot as a wolf, but I don't know why he'd claim it considering it is so bad

Someone pull out the vig shot meme

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m keeping my vote on sig until I cool down

[Sloonei]

I’m not sure I’m on board to chop radishes today.

[DrWilgy]

I can easily see sig making that shot as a wolf, but I don't know why he'd claim it considering it is so bad

Vig shots 'cleared' afew others, I can see W sig shooting, claiming, and hoping that it'd be read as civ intention.

BUT also because it's sig, I can meta this as either alignment.

Like with anyone else I'd have voted already.

[alexa]

Okay I still only have hollowkatt for wolf but

c4e5g3d5
Master Radishes

May be an interesting place to look at

Agreed

c4/MR both have felt consistently villagery to me. why them?

i'm willing to reconsider some things because it's obvious my world view was a bit skewed by pockets, but i think c4 especially is not a wolf

[DrWilgy]

I think enough people I tl have tl'd MR so now I'm pondering the decision.

Still can see scum c4.

[falcon45ca]

Sig c4 HK as today's lynched , i approve

Fixed.



MR ain't scum.

[alexa]

i felt like ilario's push on guillo start of game was towny for him. because we both just got fooled by guillo, and usually when he's a villager he will scrutinize people after getting fooled by them so it felt like lacking TMI.

Wdym by lacking tmi?

I know this is hard to prove but i did sr guillo before I died if u remember the post I made about him not wilding out that was my own way of saying I was flipping again and I opened the game with a tunnel on him last game which is kinda why I pushed him again this game since his start felt very similar to me

i thought you had him as town by EOD last game

by lacking TMI i meant if you were aware of guillo's alignment here, i think you'd treat his slot differently.

[Justplayingitcool]

I don't think I have heard a single reason for c4 scum. why is c4 scum

[DrWilgy]

Pulled votes off TSP, MR and the corpse.

Put votes on P&G and C4

That makes [VOTE: 112, C4, Pao, P&G, and Sabie] aubergine

Mmmm... That's a good list right there it is.

[TonyStarkPrime]

look if we trust TLs on /all/ the quote unquote lurkers we're just gonna chop the four people with the least posts and they'll probably all flip town and we'll lose

[alexa]

JPIC could be a wolf flying under the radar but i've kinda just been sheeping c4's read on him and moving on

[Sloonei]

I don't think I have heard a single reason for c4 scum. why is c4 scum

I will articulate my suspicion eventually. I’ve talked about it briefly already if you feel like digging.

[Justplayingitcool]

JPIC could be a wolf flying under the radar but i've kinda just been sheeping c4's read on him and moving on

im not

[Justplayingitcool]

I don't think I have heard a single reason for c4 scum. why is c4 scum

I will articulate my suspicion eventually. I’ve talked about it briefly already if you feel like digging.

dont make me work to find answers

[TonyStarkPrime]

have work to do
but want to outpost alexa

make meme

[alexa]

@Sloonei ping me when you talk more about c4
i know you had a good read on him in that RYM game so if you're a villa it's something i'd consider

[Sloonei]

What’s with other people remembering my play from RYM game in more detail than I do?

[alexa]

vote: TSP

this is OMGUS again. i won't OMGUS guillo for mech reasons

[112]

Pulled votes off TSP, MR and the corpse.

Put votes on P&G and C4

That makes [VOTE: 112, C4, Pao, P&G, and Sabie] aubergine

Mmmm... That's a good list right there it is.

Tell me, WIlgy:
how could 112, who was on Dizzy all game, possibly be wolfing?
sense it makes not.

[alexa]

ilario finding HK to be towny is probably a good point in his favor. he has a decent read there

[TonyStarkPrime]

vote: TSP

this is OMGUS again. i won't OMGUS guillo for mech reasons

omgussssss

[Justplayingitcool]

TSP why are you sheeping me on c4 when you were scumreading me for most of the game

[Belzy]

Wilg Sabie HK sig are leading
7 7 8 8

[Belzy]

C4 Sloonei close 5th and 6th
6 6

Give c4 more votes pls

[Belzy]

Could Mac be deep wolving?

[alexa]

D1 I was sad cuz Dizzy his wagon vanished i felt strongest lynching him. I connected him highly with Marmot, but Marmot got chopped middle of the day, and then eventually we had this crazy eod. Now I want us to orchestrate the right lynch. Hollowkatt is my strongest pick right now, so let's orchestrate a Hollowkatt lynch, and unless we find reasons to go elsewhere instead during this process, I hope we set up a lynch before eod2 is coming and we all go nuts in the CFD's again.

this is towny

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP why are you sheeping me on c4 when you were scumreading me for most of the game

I’ve never scumread you I’ve shrugged in your general direction

Also I like sheeping wolves they have good reads

[Guillotine]

@Belzy I wasn't originally going to say anything, because I'm trying to be all cool lately. But I need to. You do realise that your read on me is entirely meme tier? I can not think of one single game where you don't scum read me first thing D1. I don't think you have mal intent here, but you seem to be operating with expectations of my play that are from 7 years ago. Please just consider this, and please spend time not only focusing on me.

Belzy (Spewed Town)
Sean
Guillo
Alexa ???

^These are the town reads I care the most about.

Sean cares about his own thoughts and suspicions and follows them up, and he's also doing classic town!Sean things in response to people either town reading him and accusing him.
Guillo has had many posts I found towny from him. Both Sean and Guillo are showing their paranoid town play styles imo. I think I'm pretty good at reading both of them actually.
Alexa ??? is town for how she went about her role check on Nut. I also think that she wouldn't have a role check as mafia when that is how mafia makes the soup kill tbh, but that is kind of besides the point. Her posts are kind of "messy" in a way I find they are as town, while they are more deliberate as scum. I've also been pretty good at reading Alexa.

There's a bunch of players I town read to a lighter degree or even a pretty solid degree, probably too many, but the aforementioned are the ones I feel I have a better handle on reading.

In any case, I feel the game is in a pretty ok spot consensus-wise.

I have some concerns about Mac. Feels like he's not really landing any of his thoughts, and they seem to be a bit all over the place, which I find scummy for him.
I'm also suspicious of Scotty, feel like his posts are just awkward, trying to chime in but not really going anywhere.
Sabie is meh.

I think these are the things I've been thinking about the most.

Belzy is spewed town by Dyslexicon and so is Sabie.

Mac is suspicious cause Dizzy had concerns and yet he didnt vote Phil and Gloria, looks like distancing.

Dizzy flipped role cop so he pocketed or tried to pocket Alexa by not “believing” Alexa was mafia role cop. Dizzy just pocketed the players that were most dangerous to him tbf.

[Belzy]

@Belzy I wasn't originally going to say anything, because I'm trying to be all cool lately. But I need to. You do realise that your read on me is entirely meme tier? I can not think of one single game where you don't scum read me first thing D1. I don't think you have mal intent here, but you seem to be operating with expectations of my play that are from 7 years ago. Please just consider this, and please spend time not only focusing on me.

Belzy (Spewed Town)
Sean
Guillo
Alexa ???

^These are the town reads I care the most about.

Sean cares about his own thoughts and suspicions and follows them up, and he's also doing classic town!Sean things in response to people either town reading him and accusing him.
Guillo has had many posts I found towny from him. Both Sean and Guillo are showing their paranoid town play styles imo. I think I'm pretty good at reading both of them actually.
Alexa ??? is town for how she went about her role check on Nut. I also think that she wouldn't have a role check as mafia when that is how mafia makes the soup kill tbh, but that is kind of besides the point. Her posts are kind of "messy" in a way I find they are as town, while they are more deliberate as scum. I've also been pretty good at reading Alexa.

There's a bunch of players I town read to a lighter degree or even a pretty solid degree, probably too many, but the aforementioned are the ones I feel I have a better handle on reading.

In any case, I feel the game is in a pretty ok spot consensus-wise.

I have some concerns about Mac. Feels like he's not really landing any of his thoughts, and they seem to be a bit all over the place, which I find scummy for him.
I'm also suspicious of Scotty, feel like his posts are just awkward, trying to chime in but not really going anywhere.
Sabie is meh.

I think these are the things I've been thinking about the most.

Belzy is spewed town by Dyslexicon and so is Sabie.

Mac is suspicious cause Dizzy had concerns and yet he didnt vote Phil and Gloria, looks like distancing.

Dizzy flipped role cop so he pocketed or tried to pocket Alexa by not “believing” Alexa was mafia role cop. Dizzy just pocketed the players that were most dangerous to him tbf.

I townread Sabie, so i really want Sabie away from the chopping board

[Belzy]

@Belzy I wasn't originally going to say anything, because I'm trying to be all cool lately. But I need to. You do realise that your read on me is entirely meme tier? I can not think of one single game where you don't scum read me first thing D1. I don't think you have mal intent here, but you seem to be operating with expectations of my play that are from 7 years ago. Please just consider this, and please spend time not only focusing on me.

Belzy (Spewed Town)
Sean
Guillo
Alexa ???

^These are the town reads I care the most about.

Sean cares about his own thoughts and suspicions and follows them up, and he's also doing classic town!Sean things in response to people either town reading him and accusing him.
Guillo has had many posts I found towny from him. Both Sean and Guillo are showing their paranoid town play styles imo. I think I'm pretty good at reading both of them actually.
Alexa ??? is town for how she went about her role check on Nut. I also think that she wouldn't have a role check as mafia when that is how mafia makes the soup kill tbh, but that is kind of besides the point. Her posts are kind of "messy" in a way I find they are as town, while they are more deliberate as scum. I've also been pretty good at reading Alexa.

There's a bunch of players I town read to a lighter degree or even a pretty solid degree, probably too many, but the aforementioned are the ones I feel I have a better handle on reading.

In any case, I feel the game is in a pretty ok spot consensus-wise.

I have some concerns about Mac. Feels like he's not really landing any of his thoughts, and they seem to be a bit all over the place, which I find scummy for him.
I'm also suspicious of Scotty, feel like his posts are just awkward, trying to chime in but not really going anywhere.
Sabie is meh.

I think these are the things I've been thinking about the most.

Belzy is spewed town by Dyslexicon and so is Sabie.

Mac is suspicious cause Dizzy had concerns and yet he didnt vote Phil and Gloria, looks like distancing.

Dizzy flipped role cop so he pocketed or tried to pocket Alexa by not “believing” Alexa was mafia role cop. Dizzy just pocketed the players that were most dangerous to him tbf.

And i agree we should be wary of Mac

[alexa]

guillo, i think your wolf equity went up with dizzy's death, that's why I'm voting you

I'm probably not gonna be on much because I have to perform emergency surgery on a dog ASAP

IMO Dizzy's posts on Guillo look more pockety than W/W

[Guillotine]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
This slot is full of bad pushes on town. The only good thing going for them was suspecting Dizzy but it could easily be distancing.

Spoiler: show

early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Sabie had an odd opener but i haven't read any additional posts from her

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

hmm will consider

to me: i read the post first of all paying attention to its form more-so than the contents, and it really seemed like alison was trying /hard/ to follow a process and more than that appear to be following a process. maybe i am being anti-intellectual here and there is towny merit in casing people like that, but i honestly get the feeling she's trying too hard to slam dunk creature through a rigid adherence to cause-and-effect writing.

idk if that makes sense but ye

This shows 112 had tmi nutella was town. The tone how 113 addresses nutella implies that, also considering their read on Alison after making a definitive stand that Alison was scum, why would 112 take Nutella;s word for it? I read their ISO and didnt see 112 townreading Nutella. If 112 did, i missed it.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Not too early for a wolf to make themself that obvious. I think alison is right and justified by how glaringly bad creature's content has been.

fair enough and i haven't read pages 2-5ish yet

haven't had a problem with creature myself--all i've really noticed from him is that he agrees with my Seanzie read and i prefer to see that favourably than not right now

If 112 is a wolf, this spews Creature town.

I think I'm gonna go.
My past few posts are low effort posts and scums are taking advantage of it; scum painting me.
I'll check it again later on.
Byeee~

I think this is probably just town lmao

Paopan's list was v towny despite what ppl are saying about the slot

i can understand every inclusion in it

@112 Did you explain the bolded, why you understood every inclusion in it?

[VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine

..,

Naked vote

C4, shoot:

Scotty (scummy)

Bo (as KZA wanted)

or

Wilgy (as he requested)

Could totally shoot Scotty

Bo seems to be genuinely enjoying himself and is decently polarized but since both of you know him better do you have specific insights?

Wilgy lolno

Bo needs to actually do anything before I an actually read him.

well yeah but i think his slankship itself is >rand maf for him just operating by meta.

also, the posts he has made that i've managed to catch and read are largely off-topic and jokey, and i think this kind of active slank in addition to his more passive slanking is >>rand maf for him, no?

[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

This looks like a chainsaw, like a defense.

[VOTE: GUILLOTINE] aubergine

i can 100% see this so not insulting the vote when i ask, but what are your reasons?

Why did you ask? You had to have reasons or not reasons of your own to ask this.

i'm thinking Axe is some kind of 3p

Why 3P and not scum?

[DrWilgy]

I just don't get the townread on Sabie?

How is 'meh' spewing town? I'd think the avoidance to be more teammate indicative normally.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: 112] aubergine
This slot is full of bad pushes on town. The only good thing going for them was suspecting Dizzy but it could easily be distancing.

Spoiler: show

early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Sabie had an odd opener but i haven't read any additional posts from her

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

hmm will consider

to me: i read the post first of all paying attention to its form more-so than the contents, and it really seemed like alison was trying /hard/ to follow a process and more than that appear to be following a process. maybe i am being anti-intellectual here and there is towny merit in casing people like that, but i honestly get the feeling she's trying too hard to slam dunk creature through a rigid adherence to cause-and-effect writing.

idk if that makes sense but ye

This shows 112 had tmi nutella was town. The tone how 113 addresses nutella implies that, also considering their read on Alison after making a definitive stand that Alison was scum, why would 112 take Nutella;s word for it? I read their ISO and didnt see 112 townreading Nutella. If 112 did, i missed it.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Not too early for a wolf to make themself that obvious. I think alison is right and justified by how glaringly bad creature's content has been.

fair enough and i haven't read pages 2-5ish yet

haven't had a problem with creature myself--all i've really noticed from him is that he agrees with my Seanzie read and i prefer to see that favourably than not right now

If 112 is a wolf, this spews Creature town.

I think I'm gonna go.
My past few posts are low effort posts and scums are taking advantage of it; scum painting me.
I'll check it again later on.
Byeee~

I think this is probably just town lmao

Paopan's list was v towny despite what ppl are saying about the slot

i can understand every inclusion in it

@112 Did you explain the bolded, why you understood every inclusion in it?

[VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine

..,

Naked vote

C4, shoot:

Scotty (scummy)

Bo (as KZA wanted)

or

Wilgy (as he requested)

Could totally shoot Scotty

Bo seems to be genuinely enjoying himself and is decently polarized but since both of you know him better do you have specific insights?

Wilgy lolno

Bo needs to actually do anything before I an actually read him.

well yeah but i think his slankship itself is >rand maf for him just operating by meta.

also, the posts he has made that i've managed to catch and read are largely off-topic and jokey, and i think this kind of active slank in addition to his more passive slanking is >>rand maf for him, no?

[VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

This looks like a chainsaw, like a defense.

[VOTE: GUILLOTINE] aubergine

i can 100% see this so not insulting the vote when i ask, but what are your reasons?

Why did you ask? You had to have reasons or not reasons of your own to ask this.

i'm thinking Axe is some kind of 3p

Why 3P and not scum?

Yes. Especially given how she's brought attention to it, as tho it's inconceivable she'd bus a teammate.



Oh, and 112 has no issues bussing

[Guillotine]

I must say though that if Betzy is still alive later in game, scrutinize her. I hosted a game at Mafia Café where she and Dyslexicon were wolves, and the way these two distanced from each other was one of the reasons they won that game.

[Master Radishes]

Why are we not treating Sig's shot as a scum claim?

[alexa]

i feel like there was very little justification for sig to shoot nutella. like, i get the argument of why claim that as wolf, but also it's something you can easily claim as wolf to look towny. they quoted one minor thing from dizzy spew then shot nutella from it when nutella was V read but almost all

[alexa]

Why are we not treating Sig's shot as a scum claim?

good timing

[Justplayingitcool]

I must say though that if Betzy is still alive later in game, scrutinize her. I hosted a game at Mafia Café where she and Dyslexicon were wolves, and the way these two distanced from each other was one of the reasons they won that game.

Worth bearing in mind. Though I recall Dizzy's treatment of belzy as townreading rather than distancing.

[alexa]

i feel like there was very little justification for sig to shoot nutella. like, i get the argument of why claim that as wolf, but also it's something you can easily claim as wolf to look towny. they quoted one minor thing from dizzy spew then shot nutella from it when nutella was V read but almost all

not to mention they were in wagon contention/likely to die anyway

[Justplayingitcool]

Why are we not treating Sig's shot as a scum claim?

twtbw

maybe

[Justplayingitcool]

nutella was a terrible shot though, i agree

[Master Radishes]

Why are we not treating Sig's shot as a scum claim?

twtbw

maybe

Sig was never endgaming and wolves definitely have shots in this setup.

[Sloonei]

I could see town sig shooting nutella

[Master Radishes]

Falcon is either soulreading me or spewing me town. Either way I'm town.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: unvote sabie, vote sig] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Sig is still never endgaming after that shot in fact.