Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

[Tangrowth]

This is absolutely insane. I just want to be lynched already. Seriously, why do I even bother?

The absolute irony is astounding.

[Roxy]

MP - Chris is playing like always. Hard headed and unwilling to listen or discuss the possibility he is and has been misguided. if I can get enough people to actually take time and look at Epi leading up to and during the Made/Enrique lynches and agree that he must be the cyber role check or is on the same team as the role checker then I would know more on where I stand with Chris as he has been a staunch defender of Epi. Along with Metal.

MP LINky ffs no!

[Marmot]

MP - Chris is playing like always. Hard headed and unwilling to listen or discuss the possibility he is and has been misguided. if I can get enough people to actually take time and look at Epi leading up to and during the Made/Enrique lynches and agree that he must be the cyber role check or is on the same team as the role checker then I would know more on where I stand with Chris as he has been a staunch defender of Epi. Along with Metal.

MP LINky ffs no!

I have not defended Epi though, if that's what you're implying.

[Epignosis]

Epi - you could just say you aren't a robot for the lie detector, like zeek suggested but you didn't why?

Besides your refutation was not adequate - and if you are civ you would know "adequate " just doesn't cut it. give the lie detector something to check....

[Chris]

MP - Chris is playing like always. Hard headed and unwilling to listen or discuss the possibility he is and has been misguided. if I can get enough people to actually take time and look at Epi leading up to and during the Made/Enrique lynches and agree that he must be the cyber role check or is on the same team as the role checker then I would know more on where I stand with Chris as he has been a staunch defender of Epi. Along with Metal.

MP LINky ffs no!

I'm a staunch defender of Epig? LOL!

Please site your references!

I'm all for a MM lynch, since I also think he's bad. I just also think that MP is bad, and his little "lynch me" gamble somewhat worked.

But I'm here to remind people, lest they forget, and move onto the next big target. 1st Rico, 2nd MM, then next thing you know, it's Dana, and who was it that we wanted to lynch again? OH YEAH! MP!)

I'm sorry if I don't buy his story.

I also still think there's a decent chance you're bad too Roxy...

[Marmot]

I'm a staunch defender of Epig? LOL!

Please site your references!

I'm all for a MM lynch, since I also think he's bad.

Ooh, ooh, maybe you'll do the same?

[Roxy]

Epi - I knew you would not give the lie detector statement since zeek asked for it days ago.

No suprise by your post.

Long Linky (bc I am working) Chris I know its quite obv how you feel. but my next target is Epi not Metal. why do you think Epi is civ? You are willing to discuss anyone but Epi - I want to know why.
If you succeed in getting an lynch MP - I have bad feeling you will regret your actions.

[Roxy]

And you bet I will pull quotes for you when I get home Chris.

[Epignosis]

Epi - I knew you would not give the lie detector statement since zeek asked for it days ago.

No suprise by your post.

[Tangrowth]

I see you understand, Rox.

I am just torn because I'm convinced I'm soaking up too much suspicion and I don't know how to get rid of it. It's annoying.

Why do you think Epig is worth looking at more than MM; do you think MM is a Cyberman or a Dalek or neither or you don't know?

[Roxy]

Jeepers MP - if ya read my posts you would know I strongly feel Epi is the cyber dude who role checks or the role check is his teammate. All I ask is that you read those lynches with my perspective and then it cannot be missed.

I do not see what you see with Metal tbqh. Though after Epi shows as Cyber then I will revisit anyone I feel defended or detracted from his lynch happening.

[Chris]

And you bet I will pull quotes for you when I get home Chris.

While you're at it... find the quote where I say I think Epig is a civ...

He very well may be bad, I don't know. I'm not here to try to find civvies, I'm here to try to find baddies.

[Roxy]

Yet you refuse to discuss the possibility you are wrong about me and that I am right about Epi.
Being narrow minded wil only hurt civs chris. if you want to find baddies then read those lynches over with my perspective. I don't remember saying you know Epi is civ though you are acting like he is bc you wil not even look at the lynches and discuss it with me.

[Roxy]

Wish I could hang out but my boss is here and I have gtg

[Long Con]

Wow, lots of posts I don't understand, and a few that are just big blocks of text I have no interest in trying to read. What is keys talking about?

[Chris]

I dunno LC, but MP seems to know...

LC, let me ask you, who would you like to see lynched next?

[Snow Dog]

I am not convinced by the MP is bad argument. I feel he might be more positive about lynching people if he was a bad guy.

[Chris]

So then, what do you make of his whole "Lynch me" schtick a few days ago?

[DFaraday]

New Savannah because I like the cat nuns.

[Snow Dog]

So then, what do you make of his whole "Lynch me" schtick a few days ago?

Good point. I don't understand it. Maybe he's grown tired of the accusations and what with his real lfe situation he thought "fuck it". i don't know. I just am not reading him as bad. He is tricky though.

[Snow Dog]

Voted Midnight. I liked that episode

[juliets]

i like the romantic Darillium so will place my vote there.

[Long Con]

I dunno LC, but MP seems to know...

LC, let me ask you, who would you like to see lynched next?

I think that Roxy has exposed Epig as a Cyber, and the fact that he won't even say he isn't for the lie detector doesn't sit well.

[Chris]

Really? I personally don't think that making lie detector statements is really the way that a power like a lie detector should be used. Basically, you can hold all the player's feet to the fire to make a statement for the lie detector, and if you don't, you're mafia.

Well, for me, it's a lot like how you feel about trying to thwart the Insanifier. Ya digg?


Speaking of the insanifier, odd that suddenly, no one has been insanified since Zeek....

[Epignosis]

I dunno LC, but MP seems to know...

LC, let me ask you, who would you like to see lynched next?

I think that Roxy has exposed Epig as a Cyber, and the fact that he won't even say he isn't for the lie detector doesn't sit well.

[S~V~S]

I went with the Prison Planet, Stormcage. Prison Planets suck, but River Song escaping every other day, then sauntering back, was awesome.

[Dom]

Wasn't sure what to expect - but I kinda expected this bc Epi said as much.

Epi your turn next.

I don't understand why you're saying this.

Roxy believes I am a Cyberman. She is under the impression that I am on a team that role checks and that I had info about Enrique and Made. I posted (what I believe to be) an adequate refutation of this notion, which she dismissed as "WIFOM." She also claimed that I named Enrique's role.

Epig, just curious, how would you have responded if you asked Roxy a question and I answered for her?

This is absolutely insane. I just want to be lynched already. Seriously, why do I even bother?

The absolute irony is astounding.

This only makes me want to lynch you.

[Epignosis]

Wasn't sure what to expect - but I kinda expected this bc Epi said as much.

Epi your turn next.

I don't understand why you're saying this.

Roxy believes I am a Cyberman. She is under the impression that I am on a team that role checks and that I had info about Enrique and Made. I posted (what I believe to be) an adequate refutation of this notion, which she dismissed as "WIFOM." She also claimed that I named Enrique's role.

Epig, just curious, how would you have responded if you asked Roxy a question and I answered for her?

Asking someone a question is not the same thing as saying "I don't understand."

[Dom]

Wasn't sure what to expect - but I kinda expected this bc Epi said as much.

Epi your turn next.

I don't understand why you're saying this.

Roxy believes I am a Cyberman. She is under the impression that I am on a team that role checks and that I had info about Enrique and Made. I posted (what I believe to be) an adequate refutation of this notion, which she dismissed as "WIFOM." She also claimed that I named Enrique's role.

Epig, just curious, how would you have responded if you asked Roxy a question and I answered for her?

Asking someone a question is not the same thing as saying "I don't understand."

[Epignosis]

Wasn't sure what to expect - but I kinda expected this bc Epi said as much.

Epi your turn next.

I don't understand why you're saying this.

Roxy believes I am a Cyberman. She is under the impression that I am on a team that role checks and that I had info about Enrique and Made. I posted (what I believe to be) an adequate refutation of this notion, which she dismissed as "WIFOM." She also claimed that I named Enrique's role.

Epig, just curious, how would you have responded if you asked Roxy a question and I answered for her?

Asking someone a question is not the same thing as saying "I don't understand."

Was my response unsatisfactory in some way?

[Dom]

Wasn't sure what to expect - but I kinda expected this bc Epi said as much.

Epi your turn next.

I don't understand why you're saying this.

Roxy believes I am a Cyberman. She is under the impression that I am on a team that role checks and that I had info about Enrique and Made. I posted (what I believe to be) an adequate refutation of this notion, which she dismissed as "WIFOM." She also claimed that I named Enrique's role.

Epig, just curious, how would you have responded if you asked Roxy a question and I answered for her?

Asking someone a question is not the same thing as saying "I don't understand."

Was my response unsatisfactory in some way?

yeah

[Dom]

happy birthday, MM!!!

[Epignosis]

Was my response unsatisfactory in some way?

yeah[/quote]

If you had asked someone a question, I would not have responded. By saying "I don't understand," it implies you want to understand, regardless of who answers.

[keys56000000000]

[Dom]

Was my response unsatisfactory in some way?

yeah

If you had asked someone a question, I would not have responded. By saying "I don't understand," it implies you want to understand, regardless of who answers.

Eh. They have the same meaning and I find your distinction to be arbitrary.

[Tangrowth]

Jeepers MP - if ya read my posts you would know I strongly feel Epi is the cyber dude who role checks or the role check is his teammate. All I ask is that you read those lynches with my perspective and then it cannot be missed.

I do not see what you see with Metal tbqh. Though after Epi shows as Cyber then I will revisit anyone I feel defended or detracted from his lynch happening.

Fair enough, I will do that.

Now that I just got home, I will look at MM as well.

Awesome song, awesome album.

[Chris]

keys, try this on for size:

[Black Rock]

I voted Darillium.

I guess I will have to think about my vote today.

I think I will start by taking Roxy's advise and read Epi with her perspective in mind. I really thought his opinion about Enrique started in Epi 1.0 before he was lynched.

I really don't understand the suspicion of MP. He's been loud and has made some mistakes but I have been getting a civvie vibe off most of his posts (the ones I did read).

[Marmot]

Now that I just got home, I will look at MM as well.

I look forward to it.

[Tangrowth]

Now that I just got home, I will look at MM as well.

I look forward to it.

Happy Birthday!

Baddie.



Fuck, you have 188 posts. I couldn't imagine if someone actually wanted to go back and look at mine.

[Marmot]

I switched my vote to Darillium because the background sounds more friendly than Vulcan.

Linki: lol, I TRY to read every one of your posts thoroughly the first time so I don't have to spend an eternity going back to reread. That doesn't mean I won't, but I am also a student and also usually have better things to do.

[Bass_the_Clever]

i voted poosh if its good enough for the doctor to want to retire on its good enough for me.

[Spacedaisy]

i voted poosh if its good enough for the doctor to want to retire on its good enough for me.

I agree with this sentiment. Voting Poosh as well.

[Hedgeowl]

Voted for New Savannah because I liked the episode and the Face of Boe.

[Epignosis]

Epi - you could just say you aren't a robot for the lie detector, like zeek suggested but you didn't why?

Besides your refutation was not adequate - and if you are civ you would know "adequate " just doesn't cut it. give the lie detector something to check....

Zeek? You mean that insane guy I responded to directly on Night 4?

I dunno LC, but MP seems to know...

LC, let me ask you, who would you like to see lynched next?

I think that Roxy has exposed Epig as a Cyber, and the fact that he won't even say he isn't for the lie detector doesn't sit well.

Gosh I totally meant to...I can't believe I...I mean I...oh wait I did. On Night 4.

Epi - I knew you would not give the lie detector statement since zeek asked for it days ago.

No suprise by your post.

Ah, you knew I wouldn't do something I actually did a few days ago. That's...impressive!

[S~V~S]

What he asked you to do, though, was say you were not a robot. Not to discuss the composition of your team. Even asking you to say that may be considered "forced", though, so:

@Hosties avec le mosties~ is asking someone to use a specific phrase considered a forced statement? Like saying to someone:

Player X Wrote: Hey TrickyDick, can you just say, "I am not a crook"?

Would "I am not a crook" be forced, or wold it be checkable? Are team names checkable? Like would "I am not a robot" be checkable?

[Epignosis]

What he asked you to do, though, was say you were not a robot. Not to discuss the composition of your team. Even asking you to say that may be considered "forced", though, so:

@Hosties avec le mosties~ is asking someone to use a specific phrase considered a forced statement? Like saying to someone:

Player X Wrote: Hey TrickyDick, can you just say, "I am not a crook"?

Would "I am not a crook" be forced, or wold it be checkable? Are team names checkable? Like would "I am not a robot" be checkable?

A robot? That's not a helpful thing to say at all. Are there not good robots? I was a robot dog before.

I said what I considered to be the most comprehensive thing I could say that any host would deem checkable.

[Tangrowth]

Okay, so I reread MM. Here's what I find suspicious: (1) the way he acted towards the end of the D3 lynch, (2) the way he acted during the D4 lynch, (3) his switch on thinking I'm civvie because of Enrique throwing his teammates under the bus, and (4) the fact that he seems drawn to Enri's posts a lot (though he comments on mine almost as much, but I have almost 500 posts, so) and the way both of them interact, in that order from most suspicious to least suspicious.

He gets more suspicious from D3-D5, whereas before that he just doesn't hit the radar much.

Here's sort of a summary of what I've noted, whether suspicious or not:

------ He interacts with and quotes Enrique's posts more than anyone else by far. Just a few examples (and others permeating throughout this recap):
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 940#p85940
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 981#p85981
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 178#p86178
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 179#p86179

------ For D0-D2, he really doesn't have any opinions about anyone. As a result, I don't really highlight many posts... he does have the following opinions:

------------- He said he thought my interaction with Dana to be strange, when she defended Enrique after I went after him:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 195#p85195

------------- He wanted answers from zeek regarding N1 poll and implied that he was bothered when he didn't get them, but doesn't really say zeek is bad:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 206#p86206

------------- First real suspicion post, D2 he says he's going to vote Sabie or Elo, then votes Elo, and explains it was due to D1 vote when I questioned later:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 605#p86605
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 678#p86678

------------- Despite that, he notes here that "not a single player I feel good about lynching right now" and says it was the primary reason he voted for Elo:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 672#p86672

------ Casual defenses of Made starting on D2 and continuing... THEN it gets weird on D3 towards the end of the lynch (scroll down a bit for change)
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 611#p86611
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 635#p86635
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 092#p88092

------ D3, thinks survived NKs are fishy, states he has been getting civvie vibes from me in general:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 404#p87404

------ D3, thinks DF had some sound points and agrees with me on a couple of quiet players, then contrasts it... reads kind of odd but IDK what if it means anything now:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 736#p87735
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 736#p87736

------ D3, suddenly he has a lot to say about Dana and thinks she should be lynched:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 834#p87834

------ D3: Here's where it gets weird, SVS points out Made's behavior is different and MM flip flops, then tries to get me to vote Made even though he would prefer a Snow Dog lynch... this is definitely some of MM's most suspicious behavior:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 108#p88108
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 115#p88115
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 122#p88122
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 137#p88137
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 154#p88154

------ D4, he self-votes... and then he says he "thought about voting for Enrique but decided not to". Really suspicious considering what happened that day... and just sort of odd.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 903#p88903
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 903#p88904
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 156#p89156

And posts like this from Enrique further the Enrique/MM oddness: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 903#p88905

------- D5: Says he explained his vote from D4... but IMO his explanation is just not much of one
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 399#p89399

------- D5: More interaction with Enrique, says he thinks I'm good:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 532#p89532

------- D5: This post is really suspicious to me, the way it's worded and the fact that he wonders if Enrique is throwing his teammates under the bus even though MM has thought I'm civvie all game is just weird, especially since he felt the need to clarify in the second post:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 533#p89533
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 534#p89534

------- D5: Attempts to revisit Dana particularly after Enrique's posts switching his opinion on her... but I think this focus is odd because he never responds to the fact that I explain why I think she's good, at all, and he completely dropped her from that post on D3 where he found her pretty suspicious until just after Enrique died again.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 671#p89671

------- N5: Doesn't really address my intense defense of Dana and says he thinks Dana is bad and I'm not because she was not trying to actively lynch Enrique... but most of the game, I wasn't either. Then he throws in that he's reconsidering me and drops the Enrique distancing theory again:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 675#p89675

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SUMMARY:
I'm not willing to crusade MM as bad, but I do think he is one of our best bets at the moment for catching a baddie. Consequently, I want feedback with what I have found and I am open to and encourage discussion of other candidates, especially since MM seems to be tied to the Daleks, and it'd be even nicer to catch a Cyberman (but I entertain he could be a member of that team as well).

I am trying to keep an open mind with him, especially since I realize TH has attempted to tie me to Made and I made (lol) some big mistakes this game myself, but I can't help but think MM's behavior from D3-N5 definitely is eyeworthy.

Rox, I'm going to take a look at Epig 2.0's behavior during the lynch next.

[nijuukyugou]

Quick post before I go to bed so I don't miss the night poll (I wanted to post earlier and was in the process of doing so more substantially, but I have been nonstop doing stuff since earlier this evening, soooo...). I'm voting Poosh because a) I've always liked its name, b) it's a lovely vacation spot, and c) I've wanted to know what it's like since it lost its moon. Never got to see it.

Okay. Sorry. Exhausted. So exhausted that I'm leaving all the dishes in the sink and all the laundry unfolded in the basket. Buenas noches.

[S~V~S]

What he asked you to do, though, was say you were not a robot. Not to discuss the composition of your team. Even asking you to say that may be considered "forced", though, so:

@Hosties avec le mosties~ is asking someone to use a specific phrase considered a forced statement? Like saying to someone:

Player X Wrote: Hey TrickyDick, can you just say, "I am not a crook"?

Would "I am not a crook" be forced, or wold it be checkable? Are team names checkable? Like would "I am not a robot" be checkable?

A robot? That's not a helpful thing to say at all. Are there not good robots? I was a robot dog before.

I said what I considered to be the most comprehensive thing I could say that any host would deem checkable.

Helpful or not, it was the question he asked, and the statement he asked you to make. And since the robot dog is dead, all the remaining robots are baddies, right? Not saying it was helpful or not, just reminding you that the answer you gave was not the answer the soon to be dead insanified person asked for. So you can lighten up on the, "I answered HERE. Remember when I answered HERE? Right HERE?

I am kinda hoping that would be a forced statement, tbh. I don't disagree with Chris on this point, but once the cat was let out of the bag you really can't put it back in.