GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[112]

Mac sounds off

yes cuz last time you saw me I was drunk and belligerent and now I'm timid and hungover

posting right now is my scummy-sounding alter, so any and all reads applied on the basis of these posts are void.

[LinearPoint]

You know, Neeko sometimes wonders if this is a hydra or just Mac.

[alexa]

previously i did an extensive meta dive on mac, i just referenced it back and i do think he's playing closer to his scum meta GTH tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

I’m alive and here and 55 pages behind

And probably not catching up today., oops.

Have army junk all weekend + moving made me semi forget this game.

And probably not catching up today., oops.

Have army junk all weekend + moving made me semi forget this game.

If you are town, make sure to make 5 or more posts, or else scum can kill you off for free.

First town read right here.

Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.

I tried reading marmot since saw he flipped not much there tbh.

This is the only post that stands out.

On hand I’d say maybe this implicates creature since that was the case but not sure.

Either way I’d say Allison is looking good

Hard claiming Gambit Demon from Shadow Corridors. It's a little modified from the original version but still keeps the spirit of it. Here's the basic rundown.

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

- If my offer is accepting, they gain the ability, but I can choose one of two options: either all night actions cast on me get redirected to them the next night OR all votes cast on me get redirected to them the next day.

- I fulfil my win condition if the number of people who I've bargained with exceed the number of people who haven't.

I'm gonna offer the same deal that I proposed in shadow corridors. Y'all come up with consensus town and I'll offer powers to them. In exchange I get a free win, you get free power roles, everyone profits.

FAQ
- how do we know you aren't tricking us into some horrible fate???
take it on trust, host read that they aren't going to have a 3P nuke half the game in GOC, whatever. In Shadow Corridors I proposed some tactics to guard against 3P betrayal, you can try those. Yes I know I was mafia that game but my tactics were legit.

- what if the mafia soupkills you???
imagine being a coward and soupkilling the gambit demon instead of trying to go deep and get the power offered to you instead

- how do we know you're not mafia pretending to be a 3P???
my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

- how do we know you won't side with the mafia after you win like the original Gambit Demon did???
Long Con sided with mafia because he was sentimental and wanted to root for the underdog. I am not sentimental. Siding with the mafia after the town gave me my win is pointless. I have already gotten my win; putting in extra effort is not only meaningless, it actively compromises my ability to make further deals in this vein when I roll 3P in the future. It's strictly suboptimal to do that, so you can be pretty sure I won't do it.

make sure to @ me if you want to tell me who your consensus town to bargain is or have any questions/comments, since I won't be reading the thread closely.

Didn’t you screw town over last time you had this role?

Okay I’m real quick throwing out town reads for sabie/TSP was just mafia with them and posts are a bit different sabie will be more clear in a few days if mafia for sure

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I did civ read her but then saw her role claim. Third party roles aren’t great especially when they claim to help town but like don’t need to.

Sure she may be town sided now but with 7 mafia members it could easily flip on us

Mfw Sig doesn't have a wagon yet



C'mon it's D1 of the GoC people. Get your priorities straight.

Literally lol

There is no way that claim is serious lol

I’ve read only snippets so if she renegaded oops I’m not aware, chances are extremely low honestly, statistically, but like why not believe her?

If we say it’s accurate it isn’t a role I want around and we know it’s not town so won’t hurt our numbers.

Usually I’m not a big 3P hunter still not, but right now seems like a smart move

@TonyStarkPrime what about these day 1 posts feel towny to you?

I read them and think "yep that's town sig". I think he's a pretty easy read on average.

[alexa]

Spoiler: show

I’m alive and here and 55 pages behind

And probably not catching up today., oops.

Have army junk all weekend + moving made me semi forget this game.

And probably not catching up today., oops.

Have army junk all weekend + moving made me semi forget this game.

If you are town, make sure to make 5 or more posts, or else scum can kill you off for free.

First town read right here.

Anyway, I finished reading Alison's case on Creature.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine for slipping and spewing multiple other players town.

I tried reading marmot since saw he flipped not much there tbh.

This is the only post that stands out.

On hand I’d say maybe this implicates creature since that was the case but not sure.

Either way I’d say Allison is looking good

Hard claiming Gambit Demon from Shadow Corridors. It's a little modified from the original version but still keeps the spirit of it. Here's the basic rundown.

- I offer a permanent ability to someone at night. abilities are: track, roleblock, silence (can't speak during next day), disenfranchise (can't vote during next day), give a post restriction, thieving (steal the abilities of who you voted for), protecting, bus driving

- If my offer is accepting, they gain the ability, but I can choose one of two options: either all night actions cast on me get redirected to them the next night OR all votes cast on me get redirected to them the next day.

- I fulfil my win condition if the number of people who I've bargained with exceed the number of people who haven't.

I'm gonna offer the same deal that I proposed in shadow corridors. Y'all come up with consensus town and I'll offer powers to them. In exchange I get a free win, you get free power roles, everyone profits.

FAQ
- how do we know you aren't tricking us into some horrible fate???
take it on trust, host read that they aren't going to have a 3P nuke half the game in GOC, whatever. In Shadow Corridors I proposed some tactics to guard against 3P betrayal, you can try those. Yes I know I was mafia that game but my tactics were legit.

- what if the mafia soupkills you???
imagine being a coward and soupkilling the gambit demon instead of trying to go deep and get the power offered to you instead

- how do we know you're not mafia pretending to be a 3P???
my plan is pretty clearly laid out to give me a free win while also helping the town out. I fully intend to have "auto" from post 1 and will be putting in close to 0 effort to solve or influence the game from this point on. It doesn't make much strategical sense for me to do that if I'm mafia, especially since it will become too obvious that I'm lying about being 3P as the game goes on.

- how do we know you won't side with the mafia after you win like the original Gambit Demon did???
Long Con sided with mafia because he was sentimental and wanted to root for the underdog. I am not sentimental. Siding with the mafia after the town gave me my win is pointless. I have already gotten my win; putting in extra effort is not only meaningless, it actively compromises my ability to make further deals in this vein when I roll 3P in the future. It's strictly suboptimal to do that, so you can be pretty sure I won't do it.

make sure to @ me if you want to tell me who your consensus town to bargain is or have any questions/comments, since I won't be reading the thread closely.

Didn’t you screw town over last time you had this role?

Okay I’m real quick throwing out town reads for sabie/TSP was just mafia with them and posts are a bit different sabie will be more clear in a few days if mafia for sure

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

I did civ read her but then saw her role claim. Third party roles aren’t great especially when they claim to help town but like don’t need to.

Sure she may be town sided now but with 7 mafia members it could easily flip on us

Mfw Sig doesn't have a wagon yet



C'mon it's D1 of the GoC people. Get your priorities straight.

Literally lol

There is no way that claim is serious lol

I’ve read only snippets so if she renegaded oops I’m not aware, chances are extremely low honestly, statistically, but like why not believe her?

If we say it’s accurate it isn’t a role I want around and we know it’s not town so won’t hurt our numbers.

Usually I’m not a big 3P hunter still not, but right now seems like a smart move

@TonyStarkPrime what about these day 1 posts feel towny to you?

I read them and think "yep that's town sig". I think he's a pretty easy read on average.

what this game is different than how he plays as scum?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think there's a sort of boisterous energy that he has at town with something of a "i don't know what's going on and I don't care to find out" spirit that doesn't reproduce well as scum. It's not an exact distinction -- he's still loud as scum, but his loudness is more directed, if that makes sense

[Master Radishes]

Sig could be town. But that nutella shot means he's one of our four.

[Master Radishes]

Like normally I'm someone who sticks to the principle of 'momentum votes and policy votes are bad, always just pick the scummiest person' but since we have 4 shots at once may as well choose a couple 'yeah they could easily be a wolf' type of players like Sig and Sabie, imo.

[Master Radishes]

And honestly if HK is out, and Sig and Sabie flip green, then jfc I don't want to be in this game anymore.

I'm really banking on this game being fairly 'easy' after all or else I'm going to something (I couldn't think of how to finish this to appropriately express the muddy mix of emotions I'd feel in that scenario).

[Master Radishes]

previously i did an extensive meta dive on mac, i just referenced it back and i do think he's playing closer to his scum meta GTH tbh

I agree and have said so but also Dizzy spew is a thing.

[dyachei]

i think sig is gonna flip green. I think the way he reacted to copy pasta multiple times and the way he claimed the nut shot mean he's a wrong villager

[alexa]

i don't know who to pick as a fourth vote.

112 looks really good in relation to dizzy. c4.. i want to give merit to the Sloonei read/points against him, but i also felt like he responded well and honestly, this has just consistently felt like typical v!c4 to me.

i'm not sure if i'm not giving his scum game enough credit.

i've talked about Guillo already, but he has played in a self-sacrificial way that i don't believe he'd risk as wolf. he makes bold plays as wolf but as bold as to try to taunt me into shooting him when he knows i have a gun by calling me a coward? i don't really believe he would do that.

Wilgy, IDK. I don't really have a solid read on him but I want to respect ilario's strong townread.

TSP could be a villager but he's been pinging me at various points so I think without further information, I am best off sticking with [VOTE: TSP] aubergine as my fourth.

[Justplayingitcool]

inb4 everyone up for votes is actually not mafia

[Master Radishes]

inb4 everyone up for votes is actually not mafia

I am actively resisting the urge to make a team without these 8 because it will only cause me grief.

[Master Radishes]

Please dear god let us hit at least one.

[112]

afk fishing at catherby, musing about the game.

i just lost the game.

falcon45ca = mafia is my legacy assuming eod is in like an hour.

[Belzy]

[VOTE: c4e5g3d5] aubergine
[VOTE: sig] aubergine
[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

[112]

Please dear god let us hit at least one.

Trite and unemotional.

[Belzy]

[vimeo]sabie12[/vimeo]

[Belzy]

[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

[Justplayingitcool]

I think there's a sort of boisterous energy that he has at town with something of a "i don't know what's going on and I don't care to find out" spirit that doesn't reproduce well as scum. It's not an exact distinction -- he's still loud as scum, but his loudness is more directed, if that makes sense

But if he didn’t know what was going on… why shoot

[falcon45ca]

afk fishing at catherby, musing about the game.

i just lost the game.

falcon45ca = mafia is my legacy assuming eod is in like an hour.

He and I have had a heart to heart, I can sure you he's Town, thru and thru.



Why do you feel he's Maf?

[LinearPoint]

Please dear god let us hit at least one.

To be fair it's physically impossibly to hit 4 Town with HK being outed.

[Creature]

inb4 everyone up for votes is actually not mafia

I've been feeling bad all day because of this possibility

[Creature]

I don't even get the wolf motivation for sig and sabie12

[dyachei]

I don't even get the wolf motivation for sig and sabie12

same

with hk outed as possible 3p, sabie looks better to me

[Creature]

[unvote]sig[/unvote]

sigh

[Creature]

Already feels like sig and sabie will be misses so we gotta hope one of 112/TSP is a hit

[Creature]

Sometimes I have the feeling only wolves are playing the game since the 8 lynch options were announced

[112]

afk fishing at catherby, musing about the game.

i just lost the game.

falcon45ca = mafia is my legacy assuming eod is in like an hour.

He and I have had a heart to heart, I can sure you he's Town, thru and thru.



Why do you feel he's Maf?

:/

you are severely wolf this game and i don't see how others don't see it

instead of asking me why i think you're wolf, tell me why you're town imo

[ilario]

@ilario i thought you were coming around to guillo V. what changed?

I was but his solving isn’t going anywhere

I respect his wolf game but I also respect his town game and what does he have to show for it so far? All he did was tunnel Nutella and u d1, fypov thats tunneling two townies one of which is nutella whose just never a wolf there. D2 he hasn’t given any strong reads I remember other than an omgus on belzy, there 5 wolves and I don’t see him pushing a single one. Guillo should know himself that by his own standards for his town game he is underperforming

[ilario]

@ilario how many more posts does Alexa need to be SBPC cleared

Lollll idk if sbpc would ever work on her she’s usually topping as either alignment i think

[Creature]

falcon's and Belzy's claims probably need more scrutiny tomorrow if we don't lose by then

[sig]

Sig could be town. But that nutella shot means he's one of our four.

Kinda dumb logic tbh when we’ve got so many unclaimed shots that hit civs

[ilario]

maybe im crazy but im not really seeing why tsp is a wolf?

Me neither

[Creature]

alexa might be wolf mostly for underperforming this game

[Creature]

Sig could be town. But that nutella shot means he's one of our four.

Kinda dumb logic tbh when we’ve got so many unclaimed shots that hit civs

Only Scotty and Urist are unclaimed shots

[dyachei]

falcon's and Belzy's claims probably need more scrutiny tomorrow if we don't lose by then

this is how i know you're town

[sig]

Also what a dumb top 8

I’ll be back if I’m still alive next phase

[Creature]

alexa
Belzy
falcon45ca
Porscha

I think all need to be looked at

[Creature]

Sometimes I wonder whether the dead town players are waiting for the wolf to be lynched or watching us disappointed.

[c4e5g3d5]

Tabbing out of Dobbrus to say hi

I tried to PoE out my votes and just got annoyed so eh

[sabie12]

Ohh 112 thinks I'm supreme thank you! For real though I didn't mean to be coming off as AtE sorry about that if it seemed that way. I complained a bit but I'm not the only one who was feeling frustrated by the weird dynamic this multi vote thing has caused. Not sure why 112 has it out for me so bad this game but its okay I'm not mad about it. I'm heading out of work and will catch up more when I get home.

[112]

alexa
Belzy
falcon45ca
Porscha

I think all need to be looked at

i still have a townread on belzy
you're right about alexa - i see her posting a lot but idk where her posts really go sometimes?
falcon is wolfing
porscha i barely remembering anything from so i'll abstain from commenting

[alexa]

@ilario i thought you were coming around to guillo V. what changed?

I was but his solving isn’t going anywhere

I respect his wolf game but I also respect his town game and what does he have to show for it so far? All he did was tunnel Nutella and u d1, fypov thats tunneling two townies one of which is nutella whose just never a wolf there. D2 he hasn’t given any strong reads I remember other than an omgus on belzy, there 5 wolves and I don’t see him pushing a single one. Guillo should know himself that by his own standards for his town game he is underperforming

do you really think w!him would willingly sacrifice himself that early when i had a gun and could very well have shot him?

[c4e5g3d5]

Do I have to sort you gremlins, like, tournament style

[112]

Ohh 112 thinks I'm supreme thank you! For real though I didn't mean to be coming off as AtE sorry about that if it seemed that way. I complained a bit but I'm not the only one who was feeling frustrated by the weird dynamic this multi vote thing has caused. Not sure why 112 has it out for me so bad this game but its okay I'm not mad about it. I'm heading out of work and will catch up more when I get home.

[alexa]

alexa might be wolf mostly for underperforming this game

IDT i've been underperforming. i've been leaning on mechs a lot and i had a bad read on dizzy which i was obviously upset about, but i am extremely close to mech-cleared.

[c4e5g3d5]

This is a mechanic from a tournament style game after all

[alexa]

alexa
Belzy
falcon45ca
Porscha

I think all need to be looked at

1/4 at best. Belzy/Porcha are both villagers