GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[TonyStarkPrime]

It's weird we can't seem to find wolves in the eight lynch options but we also can't find wolves outside them.

Obvious option is most wolves are [top MU adjacent wolf picks] and we won’t get them until endgame if ever because they hard defend each other and have lots of posts

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m trying to conceive of the mastermind of a wolf team filled with the people who seem just out of reach — Paopan, Wilgy, maybe JPIC? Wolves ought to be more likely here. Not sure what would make that machine function.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Possibility is town is just being dumb

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac saved Jpic at eod 2A idk

[Creature]

I’m trying to conceive of the mastermind of a wolf team filled with the people who seem just out of reach — Paopan, Wilgy, maybe JPIC? Wolves ought to be more likely here. Not sure what would make that machine function.

DrWilgy isn't even that top of a pick. It's just that I believe they could still be wolf because individually they haven't done much game advancing for town and we're only clearing them for external factors that could easily be faked.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ve become increasingly convinced of the fact that Wilgy is the most likely wolf in the pool of 8 which explains why he only has 4 votes somehow

[Creature]

atp I'm assuming wolves haven't actively tried to get each other killed.

[Phil and Gloria]

Mac saved Jpic at eod 2A idk

I did do that.

[112]

If 112 flips town or not mafia, ilario is as good as dead!

ilario is town. he wouldn't shoot his partner there at that exact timing

well, there is a Socrates in the role pool, as someone pointed out earlier

huh?

Ignorance will get you nowhere, just like it did for Socrates.

[alexa]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

[Phil and Gloria]

we shall see whether that was a smart thing to do by virtue of guillo's flip

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m trying to conceive of the mastermind of a wolf team filled with the people who seem just out of reach — Paopan, Wilgy, maybe JPIC? Wolves ought to be more likely here. Not sure what would make that machine function.

DrWilgy isn't even that top of a pick. It's just that I believe they could still be wolf because individually they haven't done much game advancing for town and we're only clearing them for external factors that could easily be faked.

I think somehow there’s a misunderstanding here but I don’t understand why

[TonyStarkPrime]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

[alexa]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

there's 8 people in this poll and im voting for at least 2 wolves

[Phil and Gloria]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

do we?

[Phil and Gloria]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

there's 8 people in this poll and im voting for at least 2 wolves

are you?

[Phil and Gloria]

voting c4

[TonyStarkPrime]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

there's 8 people in this poll and im voting for at least 2 wolves

Guillo will accuse me of TMI something but this is incredibly unlikely

[TonyStarkPrime]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

do we?

Don’t get her started again

[TonyStarkPrime]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

there's 8 people in this poll and im voting for at least 2 wolves

Guillo will accuse me of TMI something but this is incredibly unlikely

I think it’s borderline impossible

[TonyStarkPrime]

Eh Sig and Sabie /can/ both be wolves maybe(?)

[Phil and Gloria]

let's be honest all 8 of you are townies

[Phil and Gloria]

well except hollowkatt

[Creature]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

there's 8 people in this poll and im voting for at least 2 wolves

I kinda doubt sig and sabie flip wolves here. They had no reason to make their claims. Perhaps sig could have claimed as a last effort to take themselves out the lynch options considering they killed nutella who was obvtown at the time. sabie I find less likely because Ender was being suspected and I don't think wolves waste their night vig here even if for mere temporary cred.

[Creature]

Why are we voting sabie? What is the wolf motivation to use your night vig on Ender (who was suspected at the time) when the cred you will get from claiming that shot will only buy you one or two more days until town starts questioning where your vigs are coming from?

[Phil and Gloria]

everyone is so wolfy but also towny

[Phil and Gloria]

Why are we voting sabie? What is the wolf motivation to use your night vig on Ender (who was suspected at the time) when the cred you will get from claiming that shot will only buy you one or two more days until town starts questioning where your vigs are coming from?

gotta vote someone?

[Creature]

[unvote]sig[/unvote]
[VOTE: c4e5g3d5] aubergine

[Creature]

Those sig and sabie wagons are weird af and I feel like wolves are more likely to be voting there than anywhere else especially if they're both town

[Guillotine]

alexa please care about a topic other than how a town person reads you

A town person?

[Creature]

sabie12
Voters: sig, Belzy, 112, Sloonei, alexa, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, ilario, Phil and Gloria

sig
Voters: Belzy, 112, falcon45ca, alexa, hollowkatt, Master Radishes, ilario, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint

[Phil and Gloria]

sabie wagon seems pretty highly pure given the circumstances tbh

maybe you're just their wolf teammate?

[Creature]

sabie12
Voters: sig, Belzy, 112, Sloonei, alexa, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, ilario, Phil and Gloria

sig
Voters: Belzy, 112, falcon45ca, alexa, hollowkatt, Master Radishes, ilario, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint

Voting both: Belzy, 112, alexa, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria, ilario

[Creature]

sabie wagon seems pretty highly pure given the circumstances tbh

maybe you're just their wolf teammate?

No?

It just looks genius play for wolf to use their night vig on Ender (who was suspected) over anyone else clearer and then try to pry short temporary cred from it.

[Guillotine]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

there's 8 people in this poll and im voting for at least 2 wolves

Guillo will accuse me of TMI something but this is incredibly unlikely

If you are doing it on purpose just to troll me and spite me and you are town, we’ll have words after game.

[Phil and Gloria]

sabie12
Voters: sig, Belzy, 112, Sloonei, alexa, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, ilario, Phil and Gloria

sig
Voters: Belzy, 112, falcon45ca, alexa, hollowkatt, Master Radishes, ilario, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint

Voting both: Belzy, 112, alexa, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria, ilario

all the wolves

[Creature]

sabie12
Voters: sig, Belzy, 112, Sloonei, alexa, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Paopan, Master Radishes, ilario, Phil and Gloria

sig
Voters: Belzy, 112, falcon45ca, alexa, hollowkatt, Master Radishes, ilario, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint

Voting both: Belzy, 112, alexa, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria, ilario

all the wolves

That's where it should be looked at if both sig and sabie flips town

[Creature]

[unvote]112[/unvote]
[unvote]c4e5g3d5[/unvote]
[unvote]TonyStarkPrime[/unvote]

[TonyStarkPrime]

i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

there's 8 people in this poll and im voting for at least 2 wolves

Guillo will accuse me of TMI something but this is incredibly unlikely

If you are doing it on purpose just to troll me and spite me and you are town, we’ll have words after game.

It’s literally just incredibly unlikely

[112]

switched from tsp back to [VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

[ilario]

@ilario also please remember

1. I came into this game with n0 mechanical information on nutella's role (flipped arsonist). I knew what it was right away and thought she was maf or 3P so i tried to fake a red. and softed it hard. i thought her reaction was towny so i changed my mind but the way i started this game would not make sense for me as scum.

2. Dizzy flipped scum rolecop and there's a soup this setup so i am clearly not scum despite my bad read on dizzy

You don’t have to appeal to me lol I want u to win this town is annoying anyways

[ilario]

The fact that sig isn’t a top wagon says enough about this lol

[Sloonei]

Is it bad to say we should just chop both sabie and sig since there's a decent chance at least one of them is lying?

[LinearPoint]

Is it bad to say we should just chop both sabie and sig since there's a decent chance at least one of them is lying?

Well Neeko thinks Sabie is significantly less likely to flip scum, so yes only killing Sig would be preferable.

[Sloonei]

Has anyone else looked at Dizzy's interactions?

[Paopan]

I’m trying to conceive of the mastermind of a wolf team filled with the people who seem just out of reach — Paopan, Wilgy, maybe JPIC? Wolves ought to be more likely here. Not sure what would make that machine function.

Yeah... I might be scum but what are you going to do about it?
Will the question is...
Will they kill me tonight after claiming a protective role or would mafia risk having me alive for being a LHF?
Now, choose your poison:

As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel

Today, Here's how we should proceed
Lynch -> HK, Sabie, Sig, and DrWigly/112

Deep wolves are probably between Belzy, Ilario, or alexa

Feels like an old crank. But here we go. See u all on day 3 ^^

[LinearPoint]

Neeko made a post a while before the first voting ended about the Dizzy X Wiggly interaction looking fake with Dizzy scum reading Wiggly without much reason and then staying off Wiggly at EoD when Wiggly was just a vote or two from being lynched over Sean whom Dizzy did not have a scum read on. Logic would say if you had a scum read and a null or town read tied for lynch you'd vote your scum read, but she didn't do that which makes the scum read on Wiggly look a bit forced.

That being said these two post are what is what's making Neeko hesitate on the Dizzy X Wiggly being a scum team.

Holdup. Am I probably mafia mafia because of town wagons or are these unrelated statements?

These are unrelated statements. You are mafia because of the way you acted EoD.

I don't like the thought of Wilgy being town, but that's not a good way to solve. So I think we should give him the floor a bit today and solve.

Anyway, I should've been sleeping, so I'll attempt to do that and definitely not think of something game related in 10 minutes and start posting again

It feels more like Dizzy was trying to get Wiggly chopped.

[LinearPoint]

I’m trying to conceive of the mastermind of a wolf team filled with the people who seem just out of reach — Paopan, Wilgy, maybe JPIC? Wolves ought to be more likely here. Not sure what would make that machine function.

Yeah... I might be scum but what are you going to do about it?
Will the question is...
Will they kill me tonight after claiming a protective role or would mafia risk having me alive for being a LHF?
Now, choose your poison:

As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel

Today, Here's how we should proceed
Lynch -> HK, Sabie, Sig, and DrWigly/112

Deep wolves are probably between Belzy, Ilario, or alexa

Feels like an old crank. But here we go. See u all on day 3 ^^

"Why wouold they choose a protecitve role as Mafia?"
No offense, but have you seen the amount of vigilante shots?
There's pretty good reason to want to not die to Vigilantes.

[Sloonei]

As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel

I care about neither of these things.

[Sloonei]

It feels more like Dizzy was trying to get Wiggly chopped.

I might actually feel the other way about the second of these two quotes. Dizzy's language feels very labored there. It could be a sign that he was overthinking it when addressing Wilgy's presence in the game.