GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Sloonei]

At the risk of reigniting more pointless conversation: "3P faction" is very distinctly not "a second mafia team."

[112]

i could be convinced to switch from sig to guillo

i might even convince myself

[Guillotine]

At the risk of reigniting more pointless conversation: "3P faction" is very distinctly not "a second mafia team."

Right but it is also very distinctly not town.

[Guillotine]

Why is the people voting me, not interacting with me? Except for Dyachei.
Come and get your sentence.

[Guillotine]

Voting me and hiding like little cowards. I should be the one hiding from you if im scum, how funny this game is.

[Guillotine]

Do note that Master Radishes could be scum for that vote.

[Sloonei]

Do note that Master Radishes could be scum for that vote.

What is falcon?

[Guillotine]

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

[Guillotine]

Do note that Master Radishes could be scum for that vote.

What is falcon?

I had my suspicion on Falcon day 1 but i forgot why, why do you ask?

[Sloonei]

Do note that Master Radishes could be scum for that vote.

What is falcon?

I had my suspicion on Falcon day 1 but i forgot why, why do you ask?

I've misread falcon a bunch lately, thinking scum when he's town. This time he doesn't feel like either, at least not his usual meta. But in a vacuum I find him a bit too appeasing. His read on me is too confident. Unless there are raisins I just don't know how long I can keep ignoring him and hoping something happens to help me settle on an opinion.

Oh FFS



I have a green check on you



Go ahead and soup me Maf

[alexa]

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

why does dya shoot Marmot early day 1?

[Guillotine]

Do note that Master Radishes could be scum for that vote.

What is falcon?

I had my suspicion on Falcon day 1 but i forgot why, why do you ask?

I've misread falcon a bunch lately, thinking scum when he's town. This time he doesn't feel like either, at least not his usual meta. But in a vacuum I find him a bit too appeasing. His read on me is too confident. Unless there are raisins I just don't know how long I can keep ignoring him and hoping something happens to help me settle on an opinion.

Oh FFS



I have a green check on you



Go ahead and soup me Maf

That is weird.. why out himself and risk a soup for a green check?

That's so suboptimal

[Guillotine]

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

why does dya shoot Marmot early day 1?

I dont know.

[alexa]

if this poll is mostly villagers, i blame Mac. the votes were different before i went to sleep, but the deadline was 6AM which i literally could never wake. apparently he was influencing things before they locked

[Guillotine]

Anyway im gonna enjoy the rest of my day off.

Im an expert in analyzing thread momentum i see players gradually changing their votes onto me, so it is very likely im gonna one of the chops, i got no friends to defend me, i cant be shot or i out them, so this chop here will definitely have an explosive outcome worth reading during the night.

[Master Radishes]

I'll try to finish catching up and typing out my thoughts on Guillo later, but truthfully I may not make it back before EoD, at least not more than for a pop in.

[Creature]

Have we lost?

[Phil and Gloria]

if this poll is mostly villagers, i blame Mac. the votes were different before i went to sleep, but the deadline was 6AM which i literally could never wake. apparently he was influencing things before they locked

apparently?

[DrWilgy]

112 ISO

112 gives Seanzie a SR, Creature a TR, LP a TR, and goes out of their way to make a point of null Nut.

Votes Dizzy without saying anything on the slot.

uhh, recanting my seanzie read if it matters at this point

marmot, sabie, dizzy are all good suspects imo

and i could easily see BK as a wolf in this one

Hits 2 of 4 in this with wolftells.

'I really want to like this post, I'll stew on it." - in ref to Dizzy.
First actual commentary on Dizzy from what I've seen other than name drops. I think worth pointing out. Not sure if significant.

The following progression between Dizzy and 112 reads as a towny who feels they caught a wolf. If this is bussing then I think the progression wouldn't look like this.

Votes Bo, Drops a SR on Mac (P&G)

Pao is given a TR

Turns around on the Mac read. Mac is now a TR.

Policy vote on NAA

also the game just ended where guillo fooled TF out of me as a wolf, and when i realized he was a wolf there, that was part of what spurred my push because I realized almost anything is in his wolf range.

Oof.

alexa/dizzy:
w/w or w/t?

Raising this one again as this one always gets me. I think this is where my read on the dizzy progression is fumbled as I don't read this from a town pov. Alexa is put in the W slot and Dizzy put in the T slot for something that I read as insignificant.

And then 112 drops the Dizzy TR for something else insignificant.

Perhaps the progression earlier was a bus built out of what would've been an attempt at a real read and then the back tracking was stapled onto something that was minor?

seanzie was such a blatantly, ridiculously awful wagon that i'm 99% sure everyone who was on it is town

But had a SR on Seanzie earlier.

SR on me because of the Seanzie wagon.

Pulled votes off TSP, MR and the corpse.

Put votes on P&G and C4

That makes [VOTE: 112, C4, Pao, P&G, and Sabie] aubergine

Mmmm... That's a good list right there it is.

Tell me, WIlgy:
how could 112, who was on Dizzy all game, possibly be wolfing?
sense it makes not.

But you weren't on Dizzy all game. You pivoted towards Dizzy's end there.

The Mac read is 'could be wolfing' again. Either 112 doesn't know what to do with Mac or they are on a team. I think I'd yeet either into the sun if one flipped red.

Several posts towards a Falcon SR. 112 is latching onto this one. Just believes the Falcon greencheck on MR in spite of quite abit of falcon sussing.

Interesting point. Sig's shot on Nut isn't even mentioned by 112, even though 112 expressed a point on Nut with no warrant to the point day 1. 112's only mention of Sig is in a vote drop and a statement of 'would be willing to swap off this'

Conclusion on notes:
I can see W in 112. The progression on Dizzy at first was feeling very towny until the bus stopped and turned around. 112 seems to be content stating they were on Dizzy indefinitely when that wasn't the case.
The movement on the Mac read is off. The movement on the Falcon read is off. The lack of Sig mention is off.
There's just alot 'off' to me about 112 that I can see coming from a W source.

Valid vote option today.

[Creature]

Anyway im gonna enjoy the rest of my day off.

Im an expert in analyzing thread momentum i see players gradually changing their votes onto me, so it is very likely im gonna one of the chops, i got no friends to defend me, i cant be shot or i out them, so this chop here will definitely have an explosive outcome worth reading during the night.

I think you're a bad lynch ftr. I'd rather have you shot tomorrow if needed.

[Sloonei]

if this poll is mostly villagers, i blame Mac. the votes were different before i went to sleep, but the deadline was 6AM which i literally could never wake. apparently he was influencing things before they locked

apparently?

australia sux

[alexa]

im switching from wilgy to 112

[DrWilgy]

Skipping Guillo, too many posts for what time I have allotted.

[alexa]

the spread of votes is interesting, mainly because it feels like despite all the talk/fear of the poll being all villagers, no one is actually convinced anyone is a villager

[hollowkatt]

3way rand between sig, 112, and sabie.
I'm going over baring catastrophe on someones part, wiggles too.

[Paopan]

This day is sooo dragging.

Anyway, locking my voting on hk, sabbie, and Wigly

As of the last slot. Currently parking it as 112. But could be C4 or Sig or TSP?

If someone can convince me TSP might be a wolf. now's your chance

[hollowkatt]

This day is sooo dragging.

Anyway, locking my voting on hk, sabbie, and Wigly

As of the last slot. Currently parking it as 112. But could be C4 or Sig or TSP?

If someone can convince me TSP might be a wolf. now's your chance

in a convincing voice: TSP is a wolf

[Paopan]

This day is sooo dragging.

Anyway, locking my voting on hk, sabbie, and Wigly

As of the last slot. Currently parking it as 112. But could be C4 or Sig or TSP?

If someone can convince me TSP might be a wolf. now's your chance

in a convincing voice: TSP is a wolf

I can't hear it

[hollowkatt]

This day is sooo dragging.

Anyway, locking my voting on hk, sabbie, and Wigly

As of the last slot. Currently parking it as 112. But could be C4 or Sig or TSP?

If someone can convince me TSP might be a wolf. now's your chance

in a convincing voice: TSP is a wolf

I can't hear it

can't or won't?

[Sloonei]

I thought I had moved my vote to sig a couple hours ago, but I must have failed in the act of actually clicking on the poll. It's there now.

[Belzy]

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

Didn't dyachei shoot Marmot?

[Master Radishes]

This day is sooo dragging.

You should try 240h Days.

[Paopan]

This day is sooo dragging.

Anyway, locking my voting on hk, sabbie, and Wigly

As of the last slot. Currently parking it as 112. But could be C4 or Sig or TSP?

If someone can convince me TSP might be a wolf. now's your chance

in a convincing voice: TSP is a wolf

I can't hear it

can't or won't?

All opinions are welcome, even if I scum read them (like you for instance) So it's never won't...

[hollowkatt]

This day is sooo dragging.

Anyway, locking my voting on hk, sabbie, and Wigly

As of the last slot. Currently parking it as 112. But could be C4 or Sig or TSP?

If someone can convince me TSP might be a wolf. now's your chance

in a convincing voice: TSP is a wolf

I can't hear it

can't or won't?

All opinions are welcome, even if I scum read them (like you for instance) So it's never won't...

I dunno why you scum read me. I claimed exactly what I am: 3rd Party Doctor Mc ShootyFace BPV The Second.

[Master Radishes]

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

why does dya shoot Marmot early day 1?

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

Didn't dyachei shoot Marmot?

Okay but have you guys considered that Dya shot Marmot?

[Paopan]

This day is sooo dragging.

You should try 240h Days.

God this is very agonizing.
Just a bunch of people throwing stones at each other until one of em loses their minds and starts to spout excessive AtEs

[hollowkatt]

my home site used to play 240hr days 72ish hour nights. Was a lot of fun. Post counts were never insane though. It's not like people thread camped for 10 IRL days straight just hyperposting

[Belzy]

[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

You're right you never said you wanted to vote for me. I must be mistaken. Sorry about that.

That's okay. It was mostly cuz i disliked the Ender kill cuz he was a townread of mine. But i agree with others that is nai cuz quite a few distrusted him. And at that time you felt like a goner / someone who always be suspicious. Then i followed up Guillo his advice to only vote who i really wanna lynch which are hk c4 sig and a bunch not in the current poll.

[Belzy]

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

why does dya shoot Marmot early day 1?

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

Didn't dyachei shoot Marmot?

Okay but have you guys considered that Dya shot Marmot?

Are you repeating me or is my English failing here?

[Belzy]

Scum team

Phil and Gloria
Dyachei
TonyStarkPrime
Marmot
Dyslexicon
Sloonei
112

It makes sense

why does dya shoot Marmot early day 1?

I dont know.

Unless you think of dirty / sacrifising play, you gotta lean 3p/town for Dyachei, right?

[Porscha]

I miss the days when c4 would drop into the thread and town up the game all over the thread

making it hard for me to defend you ;(

Yeah I think I’ve changed my mind on you, fwiw if ur actually town and wanna be a hero and solve the game when I die you should probably just use my solve, I think it’s mostly accurate fypov once you take your name out

What's your solve? I think Pao should be facing more scrutiny imo - I've not seen anything to suggest that he is town so far

I felt like pao's reads re: day 2 possible wolves were mostly just wrong but I wasn't sure if I wanted to hold it against him or not

[Paopan]

Okay guys look. It's pretty simple
If the pool flips 0/4 scums
It is on the other side of the map ---> MacDougall, JPIC, Sloonei, Falcon
Didn't check the numbers but I think we still afford to dispose some townies today

[Belzy]

I look more fwd to the poem winner than probably seeing a bunch of town flips along with 3p hk.

[Belzy]

Okay guys look. It's pretty simple
If the pool flips 0/4 scums
It is on the other side of the map ---> MacDougall, JPIC, Sloonei, Falcon
Didn't check the numbers but I think we still afford to dispose some townies today

If only those 4 were listed rn.

[Master Radishes]

Ah sorry Belzy, I forgot about English being your second language and my deadpan humour won't come across in that.


Basically, you said exactly what alexa had about 45 minutes earlier. I found it kind of amusing because it's clear you didn't read Alexa's post and yet asked the same follow up question. I was repeating it in a terrible attempt at being funny.

[Master Radishes]

Okay guys look. It's pretty simple
If the pool flips 0/4 scums
It is on the other side of the map ---> MacDougall, JPIC, Sloonei, Falcon
Didn't check the numbers but I think we still afford to dispose some townies today

Why are those four the 'other side of the map' from our current options? How do those four fit together?

[Belzy]

Ah sorry Belzy, I forgot about English being your second language and my deadpan humour won't come across in that.


Basically, you said exactly what alexa had about 45 minutes earlier. I found it kind of amusing because it's clear you didn't read Alexa's post and yet asked the same follow up question. I was repeating it in a terrible attempt at being funny.

In a 7,5k posts game and being mia until a few minutes ago, i could respond first, read rest later.

[Porscha]

like if your perspective is that 3p makes it multiball, im even more convinced you're seeing this from a wolf perspective

Well considering i host games every month and i have a vast experience on the matter im confident my opinion and my knowledge can help unlock the game.
I dont see why it shouldnt be looked upon when the OP said there is a 3P FACTION

i've also hosted games and have probably played mafia longer than you've been alive

faction just means 3p exists. it doesn't make it multiball

again your focus there is wolfy

Longer than me? I doubt that very much unless you gave played werewolf before Dimitry Davidoff invented it in 1986. Ive been playing this game for 20 years and 4 months.

still have you beat at 23 years of playing mafia

Ok well we both played a long time, people like us that have played two decades deserve some credit for our reads and info we out in the thread, so i just dont get why a player having played all that long are not considering that there could be a 3P group scum, when like me, you should have seen it all already.

there were only 3 kills last night and 2 of them were claimed, 1 as a 3P claim. if there's a 3P faction we'll see it with HK's flip, but he's had no defenders and feels pretty alone to me.

c4 was defending HK earlier in day 2 for sure

[Paopan]

Okay guys look. It's pretty simple
If the pool flips 0/4 scums
It is on the other side of the map ---> MacDougall, JPIC, Sloonei, Falcon
Didn't check the numbers but I think we still afford to dispose some townies today

If only those 4 were listed rn.

We can.. We can...tmrw...
Also expecting a townie provides a good quote and receive a gun tomorrow and proceeds to shoot another townie.

Okay guys look. It's pretty simple
If the pool flips 0/4 scums
It is on the other side of the map ---> MacDougall, JPIC, Sloonei, Falcon
Didn't check the numbers but I think we still afford to dispose some townies today

Why are those four the 'other side of the map' from our current options? How do those four fit together?

Let's talk about it post-flip ^^
For now, let's relax... enjoy the EoD


To summ it up.
I'm still hard claiming Town Protective
The hard question is... does mafia have the balls to let me live through the night and lynch me tomorrow for being a LHF
or just straight-out visit me tonight? hihi

[Belzy]

You do know the Mafia decides ties lol