GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Belzy]

I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

You should decide yourself.

Alright, I'm trying, but don't have time to process all the needed information, this ask was to build that information, not to be smacked down.

Belzy, thoughts on C4, Guillo, and TSP specifically in a clear and concise message please?

My vote is on c4e5g3d5. Yesterday I said things about it.

[DrWilgy]

I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

c4 is >rand v IMO

Serious take is reading bits of the arguments over the last few pages makes me think Guillo isn't the way to go
It's basically all wack but it's a really nuanced kind of wack

Would this nuanced wack be rand v or agenda-y for Guillo?

[Creature]

Gotta hope we're lucky and sig flips wolf

Not sure we'll find wolf elsewhere among the lynch options

[Creature]

I just want to rest

[hollowkatt]

why is wigly isoing someone who's guaranteed to die?
and then why is wigly calling me paired with anyone?

Straight up I am hard claiming 3p vig doctor bpv. I have no associations

[Creature]

[unvote]everyone[/unvote]
[VOTE: hollowkatt[VOTE: (more as a placeholder)] aubergine] aubergine

[LinearPoint]

why is wigly isoing someone who's guaranteed to die?
and then why is wigly calling me paired with anyone?

Straight up I am hard claiming 3p vig doctor bpv. I have no associations

Ok, but what exactly is your win condition?
This sounds like it'd have an SK wincon.

[c4e5g3d5]

I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

c4 is >rand v IMO

Serious take is reading bits of the arguments over the last few pages makes me think Guillo isn't the way to go
It's basically all wack but it's a really nuanced kind of wack

Would this nuanced wack be rand v or agenda-y for Guillo?

IME when Guillo's posting with an agenda it's completely shameless
I imagine he could mix it up but not feeling it here, here it seems like he's genuinely thinking hard about these things

[sabie12]

I just want to rest

I feel this for sure. Not sure why anyone but mafia wants me dead at this point. Like I said I'd rather die by soup or nk than be mischopped yet again but here we are.

[DrWilgy]

Man, Sig just reads rand t to me.

I know T Sig would make that atrocious shot too.

Not sure how to feel about the slot after skimming their 30 posts.

[Belzy]

What is Guillotine like as wolf?

[DrWilgy]

why is wigly isoing someone who's guaranteed to die?
and then why is wigly calling me paired with anyone?

Straight up I am hard claiming 3p vig doctor bpv. I have no associations

Because you don't have the same post count as others.

Few enough for me to read and assess.

Might be able to fit Sabies in now.

[Creature]

I just want to rest

I feel this for sure. Not sure why anyone but mafia wants me dead at this point. Like I said I'd rather die by soup or nk than be mischopped yet again but here we are.

Sad thing is that very likely there's town caught in the drift voting you right now

[Belzy]

Once we start with d3, i want everyone to think in the meantime how we can unite better as town.

[DrWilgy]

I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

c4 is >rand v IMO

Serious take is reading bits of the arguments over the last few pages makes me think Guillo isn't the way to go
It's basically all wack but it's a really nuanced kind of wack

Would this nuanced wack be rand v or agenda-y for Guillo?

IME when Guillo's posting with an agenda it's completely shameless
I imagine he could mix it up but not feeling it here, here it seems like he's genuinely thinking hard about these things

ty

[Creature]

Please don't associate me with the town that lynched their own nightvig

[sabie12]

Once we start with d3, i want everyone to think in the meantime how we can unite better as town.

Why can't we start doing that now?

[Belzy]

Once we start with d3, i want everyone to think in the meantime how we can unite better as town.

Why can't we start doing that now?

Good luck making it happen within 45 minutes.

[Creature]

Once we start with d3, i want everyone to think in the meantime how we can unite better as town.

Afraid by d3 it will already be too late

[Belzy]

I feel like every time big decisions need to be made Mac is just never here or there

[c4e5g3d5]

Once we start with d3, i want everyone to think in the meantime how we can unite better as town.

In DVC

[Creature]

I feel like every time big decisions need to be made Mac is just never here or there

I see Phil and Gloria online

[LinearPoint]

What is Guillotine like as wolf?

Not sure about meta, but honestly suspecting they accidentally slipped they have knowledge of there being a 3p faction.
Which means either they are a part of one or rolecopped a member of one which would likely mean Mafia.
Neeko had once made this mistake as a Mafia Rolecop where she found a 3p who hid well and was about to win and kill the whole town the following night if not lynched and hyper-tunneled it.
It feels like Gullio is doing the same here where they know one exists and doesn't want to outwardly say why they know it exists.

[Creature]

It's gonna be Sloonei + Phil and Gloria, right?

[Belzy]

Once we start with d3, i want everyone to think in the meantime how we can unite better as town.

Afraid by d3 it will already be too late

Probably. The lack of finding town and uniting leaves me unsatisfied so far.

[Belzy]

What is Guillotine like as wolf?

Not sure about meta, but honestly suspecting they accidentally slipped they have knowledge of there being a 3p faction.
Which means either they are a part of one or rolecopped a member of one which would likely mean Mafia.
Neeko had once made this mistake as a Mafia Rolecop where she found a 3p who hid well and was about to win and kill the whole town the following night if not lynched and hyper-tunneled it.
It feels like Gullio is doing the same here where they know one exists and doesn't want to outwardly say why they know it exists.

It is not a secret we got 3p, or what are you trying to tell?

[Belzy]

It's gonna be Sloonei + Phil and Gloria, right?

I have been on their cases but they avoided today's poll.

[Guillotine]

guillo just thinks im a wolf because I called him one for focusing on 3p

No. That’s not it. I think you are a wolf because because you make sense in a world where Phil, Marmot, Tony and 112 were all picked by a Captain, i think you are a wolf because you are in your wolf meta, where you slank and try to use your clout as an influential player of this community to opportunistically push on players you perceive as LHF, i wolf read you because the other group of players whom i think are scum with you have barely interacted with you and when they have, it’s been insignificantly unimportant and I wolf read you because you used the word “focusing” on 3P hunting, when at the time it was the first time i brought it up and before me, others have and I have not seen you pushing thrm for it, which means you were looking for a reason to scum read me.

no, i;m in my slank meta, which i have done as all alignments. And I've explained why on multiple occasions (but I take it you haven't read the whole thread). I've explained my reads and they're getting ignored. I was asked what nutella was for instance, and I said town and why and sig fucking shot her anyway.

because other people aren't sitting there saying hunting 3p is just as important as killing wolves. You're wrong. it absolutely isnt as important. there's a chance 3p can win with town. there's no chance of that with wolves

ask sloonei and MR if I was like this in chmaps finale 2 years ago

I dont care if there are 3Ps that can win with town in other games, in my experience all those that have claimed townsiding 3Ps have scumsided in the end, so for that i offer no mercy or chance of negotiation to 3Ps, they are all scum to me and should die the same. I thought Alexa’s and Ilario treatment of each other were unaligned but it didnt make sense as town from both players so i thought maybe they were scum from different parties and that is when you jumped in, why? Why specifically for my read on those two? What do you know about them that you thought you could push me to get their favor? A pocket on both? A white knight for both? What is it?

[LinearPoint]

What is Guillotine like as wolf?

Not sure about meta, but honestly suspecting they accidentally slipped they have knowledge of there being a 3p faction.
Which means either they are a part of one or rolecopped a member of one which would likely mean Mafia.
Neeko had once made this mistake as a Mafia Rolecop where she found a 3p who hid well and was about to win and kill the whole town the following night if not lynched and hyper-tunneled it.
It feels like Gullio is doing the same here where they know one exists and doesn't want to outwardly say why they know it exists.

It is not a secret we got 3p, or what are you trying to tell?

Well Gullio is saying there is a 3p faction that is made up of multiple members.
The OP only mentions 3ps exist. So like while Op says SK might exist Gullio is saying there is a cult or other faction that is anti-town that is working together and not Mafia.

[Belzy]

What is Guillotine like as wolf?

Not sure about meta, but honestly suspecting they accidentally slipped they have knowledge of there being a 3p faction.
Which means either they are a part of one or rolecopped a member of one which would likely mean Mafia.
Neeko had once made this mistake as a Mafia Rolecop where she found a 3p who hid well and was about to win and kill the whole town the following night if not lynched and hyper-tunneled it.
It feels like Gullio is doing the same here where they know one exists and doesn't want to outwardly say why they know it exists.

It is not a secret we got 3p, or what are you trying to tell?

Well Gullio is saying there is a 3p faction that is made up of multiple members.
The OP only mentions 3ps exist. So like while Op says SK might exist Gullio is saying there is a cult or other faction that is anti-town that is working together and not Mafia.

I see

[LinearPoint]

ergo Gullio likely has information the rest of us don't about what these 3ps are.

[Guillotine]

What is Guillotine like as wolf?

Not sure about meta, but honestly suspecting they accidentally slipped they have knowledge of there being a 3p faction.
Which means either they are a part of one or rolecopped a member of one which would likely mean Mafia.
Neeko had once made this mistake as a Mafia Rolecop where she found a 3p who hid well and was about to win and kill the whole town the following night if not lynched and hyper-tunneled it.
It feels like Gullio is doing the same here where they know one exists and doesn't want to outwardly say why they know it exists.

im gonna laugh so hard at you in the graveyard if i find out you are town there.

[c4e5g3d5]

112
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime

Everyone scream orderings of these people at me

[DrWilgy]

Sabie ISO skim

Pao and Sabie aren't W/W at least.

Man, this is why I always have a hard time reading Sabie, their reads are blocked into paragraphs describing feels more so than reads resulting in having to extrapolate the intention which is off to me. First real read block seems to be like this:
Sloonei TL
Mac SL
Dizzy TL
Ender SL
MR TL

I will say the defensive talk about Dizzy isn't reassuring: "Dizzy was being suspected for the scotty vote and defending marmot but they provided an explanation that was plausible and made sense."

Slams a vote on me and dips

The next day though: "but I scum read wilgy and I wasn't able to be here til right before EOD for irl reasons"

But this is contradictory to what was said about me previously:

I mean I guess I can agree that when wilgy is town and participating he does at least have reads. This game so far he has said he planned to find townies to join and his only read was everyone should vote sig when sig hasn't participated. Also marmot did the joke with wilgys intro thing. I would be interested to hear if wilgy has any other thoughts on the game or just continues to not be involved.

Which I interpret as more of a null read.

*concern*

Claims the Shot on Ender... Perhaps this would indicate not W/W with Sig as I don't imagine two teammates both claiming T shots.

Alright, I'm done skimming. I don't know what to think about Sabie. There was some slight Dizzy interactions that make me think W/W compatibility, BUT it also looks like that Sabie is hunting but with limited time available that I can vibe with? I don't think Sabie is teammates with either Pao or Sig... If I had to pick between Sabie and Sig, I still think Sig has a higher chance of being town.

[dyachei]

Why specifically for my read on those two?

Because you literally are trying to say that there are 3 or more 3ps when we NEED to hunt wolves

do you get it yet? Wolves matter more

that's when i jumped in. When you started doing math to make people more nervous of the 3ps

[LinearPoint]

What is Guillotine like as wolf?

Not sure about meta, but honestly suspecting they accidentally slipped they have knowledge of there being a 3p faction.
Which means either they are a part of one or rolecopped a member of one which would likely mean Mafia.
Neeko had once made this mistake as a Mafia Rolecop where she found a 3p who hid well and was about to win and kill the whole town the following night if not lynched and hyper-tunneled it.
It feels like Gullio is doing the same here where they know one exists and doesn't want to outwardly say why they know it exists.

im gonna laugh so hard at you in the graveyard if i find out you are town there.

Hmm Neeko suddenly doubting her theory a bit more than before.
That is a surprisingly genuine sounding response.

[Belzy]

I am still undecided on Guillotine. He just makes many connections that seems too unlikely.

[Sloonei]

112
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime

Everyone scream orderings of these people at me

[Guillotine]

ergo Gullio likely has information the rest of us don't about what these 3ps are.

Yah i have. Math. Game started with 33 players. There are 7 confirmed mafia, 21 players must be town for the 3:1 ratio.
Also we’ve seen vanillas flipped, do this is not a role madness game where town gotta have more than the allotted normal to vompensate. That’s 28 players… what about the other 5 then?
Unless HK is a solo 3P and there are more like him, there gotta be another group scum, maybe a cult.

[sabie12]

I guess I'm going to have to go with a sig vote. His nutella shot wasn't a good look and he hasn't really been around much to defend it.

[Sloonei]

I am missing too much context surrounding those three names and do not have enough time to sort them out before the deadline.

I am here to make snap decisions wildly if needed.

[LinearPoint]

ergo Gullio likely has information the rest of us don't about what these 3ps are.

Yah i have. Math. Game started with 33 players. There are 7 confirmed mafia, 21 players must be town for the 3:1 ratio.
Also we’ve seen vanillas flipped, do this is not a role madness game where town gotta have more than the allotted normal to vompensate. That’s 28 players… what about the other 5 then?
Unless HK is a solo 3P and there are more like him, there gotta be another group scum, maybe a cult.

Where does it say there is an exactly 3:1 ratio?
5 3ps seems really high.

[Creature]

Welp DrWilgy is trying now. Not sure what to make out of it.

[Justplayingitcool]

Sabie ISO skim

Pao and Sabie aren't W/W at least.

Man, this is why I always have a hard time reading Sabie, their reads are blocked into paragraphs describing feels more so than reads resulting in having to extrapolate the intention which is off to me. First real read block seems to be like this:
Sloonei TL
Mac SL
Dizzy TL
Ender SL
MR TL

I will say the defensive talk about Dizzy isn't reassuring: "Dizzy was being suspected for the scotty vote and defending marmot but they provided an explanation that was plausible and made sense."

Slams a vote on me and dips

The next day though: "but I scum read wilgy and I wasn't able to be here til right before EOD for irl reasons"

But this is contradictory to what was said about me previously:

I mean I guess I can agree that when wilgy is town and participating he does at least have reads. This game so far he has said he planned to find townies to join and his only read was everyone should vote sig when sig hasn't participated. Also marmot did the joke with wilgys intro thing. I would be interested to hear if wilgy has any other thoughts on the game or just continues to not be involved.

Which I interpret as more of a null read.

*concern*

Claims the Shot on Ender... Perhaps this would indicate not W/W with Sig as I don't imagine two teammates both claiming T shots.

Alright, I'm done skimming. I don't know what to think about Sabie. There was some slight Dizzy interactions that make me think W/W compatibility, BUT it also looks like that Sabie is hunting but with limited time available that I can vibe with? I don't think Sabie is teammates with either Pao or Sig... If I had to pick between Sabie and Sig, I still think Sig has a higher chance of being town.

why?

[Creature]

I wouldn't bank the game on Guillotine being town. I just think it would be more optimal for someone to shoot him tomorrow because he claimed public cop of killer.

[LinearPoint]

Wiggly's conclusion is pretty much the same as neeko's but Neeko thinks Sabie is far more likely to be Town than Sig just by virtue that they are the only night vigilante claim in the game versus like 5 dayvigs.

[DrWilgy]

Sabie ISO skim

Pao and Sabie aren't W/W at least.

Man, this is why I always have a hard time reading Sabie, their reads are blocked into paragraphs describing feels more so than reads resulting in having to extrapolate the intention which is off to me. First real read block seems to be like this:
Sloonei TL
Mac SL
Dizzy TL
Ender SL
MR TL

I will say the defensive talk about Dizzy isn't reassuring: "Dizzy was being suspected for the scotty vote and defending marmot but they provided an explanation that was plausible and made sense."

Slams a vote on me and dips

The next day though: "but I scum read wilgy and I wasn't able to be here til right before EOD for irl reasons"

But this is contradictory to what was said about me previously:

I mean I guess I can agree that when wilgy is town and participating he does at least have reads. This game so far he has said he planned to find townies to join and his only read was everyone should vote sig when sig hasn't participated. Also marmot did the joke with wilgys intro thing. I would be interested to hear if wilgy has any other thoughts on the game or just continues to not be involved.

Which I interpret as more of a null read.

*concern*

Claims the Shot on Ender... Perhaps this would indicate not W/W with Sig as I don't imagine two teammates both claiming T shots.

Alright, I'm done skimming. I don't know what to think about Sabie. There was some slight Dizzy interactions that make me think W/W compatibility, BUT it also looks like that Sabie is hunting but with limited time available that I can vibe with? I don't think Sabie is teammates with either Pao or Sig... If I had to pick between Sabie and Sig, I still think Sig has a higher chance of being town.

why?

Because Sig didn't defend Dizzy. In what few posts he has I read them as rand v. Because Sabie and Sig aren't on the same team.

Idk. There's not alot to go on when it comes to Sig, but there's enough for me to sus Sabie maybe the best way to describe it.

[Creature]

Making snap decisions really cost us D1 so I'd stay away from making last minute shifts.

[c4e5g3d5]

@DrWilgy unless you sell me on voting one of 112/TSP I default to bumping you back into contention because you're clearly not a strong town PR

How do you plead

[Creature]

I still think lynching sabie is a mistake