Game Over! Monty Python and the Holy Grail

[Tangrowth]

Great games, guys, and I especially want to give props to the other baddie team for completely blindsiding us so far into the game! We had no idea of who you guys were pretty much until there were no other options left.

You know what's awful? Starting the games as a civvie with two lives, being suspected enough to presumably not be lynched, and still die as early as possible. Still had a lot of fun following the game after that (didn't even make it a fifth of the way through ), and and, also want to give props to Dana for a great first full game! It was clear by the time you died that the civs weren't gonna win, but you made it to the very end and only died because of a lynch switch. Made me proud.

DP, Roxy. You guys were amazing. It only took me 3 days of your game to be completely addicted to Mafia again. I really enjoyed the secret roles format, and actually look forward to more games like this in the future. Good job!

Can we also just take a moment to appreciate Bullzeye for what a great player he is? He won practically every challenge in the game, and despite all the setbacks he won the game. It only made sense to kill him in the end (well, I probably would've killed Boogs, but I recognize I'm biased ), but most wouldn't have lasted as long as Bullz did. I know you're taking a break, but take this win, and hope to play with you again in the future!

I agree, Bullzeye rocked the house this game. And DP and Rox hosted one hell of a game, it's a shame I had to go so early!

[Roxy]

Day 0 - everyone picked and was put on a team. - fun ensued and half the players wound up of the poll bc Enrique has incredibly fast fingers This was DP's first team win - the cheater

Day 1 - Good suspicions and sheer luck leads you all to lynch The Black Beast of Aaarggh Day 1 eliminating a night kill. Everyone happily said bye to MP.

Night 1 -
Made - Checks Dana for King of Swamp Castle - he was wrong.
MR - looking for Zoot in Juliets and was disappointed.
MetalNewt - asks if Juliets is that dynamite Rabbit of Caerbannog - she was not.
Rey - protected Epi
LoRab replaces Lizzy sends Bea to kill DFaraday.
Bea - insults llama - llama no vote or post Day 2
Canuck - sees if Juliets is Galahad and she never was.
Bullz - Checks SVS for Sir Robin - Hedge was not Robin.
DFaraday - Checks Canuck for Roger - Canuck is not Roger.
Epi - Targets Enrique for killing but it fails bc Sir Robin ran away like a scared kitty cat.
SVS - Deflects to Hedge - Hedge was found not to be Sir Robin.

Day 2 - Keterman replaces Black Rock
Poor APerson is wrongly lynched he was Concorde. Made was very lucky.

Night 2 -
Boogs - Checks if Bullz is a KOTRT - he is not.
Made - checks SVS for King of the Swamp and learns he is not King of Swamp Castle.
Enrique - is recruited to LC's team bc DF's death kicked in the auto-recruit.
MR - Checks Epi for Zoot but Epi is not a girl so....
MM - Check Enrique for Rabbit - he was not a Rabbit.
Ni - Check llama for Lancelot - he was not.
Bea - Insults Epi - Fails bc Epi is dead.
Canuck - Checks Keterman for Galahad - he was not.
LC - Kills Epi
SVS - Deeflects to Made. Made was found not to be King of Swamp Castle.

Day 3 - splints replaces Daisy.
MR is lynched ina close vote as Galahad the Pure - was unrecruited.

Night 3 -
Ni - Checks if Made is Lancelot - he is and they gain BTSC. Here bis where Prince Herbert should have died but splints had just replaced in ad was still under the host protection.
splints - sent in Voo Doo Chile video.
Rey - Protects Bullz
LoRab - Kills Enrique
Bea - Insults Hedge - No post or Vote for hedge Day 4
Canuck - Searches MR for Galahad - is found but not recruited but she earned - (1) NK Protect and (1) Lynch Switch.
Bullz - uses Block prize on MM.
SVS - Reflect to Made. Nothing happens.

Day 4 - Made is lynched and was Sir Lancelot the Brave.

Night 4 -
Boogs - Check SVS for KOTRT - she isn't.
splints - sends in Achilles Last Stand video.
LC - Kills Rey.
SVS - Deflects - I have lost to whom - did not matter as she was not targeted.

Day 5 - SVS was lynched and was God. God is dead.

Night 5 - We held another Team Challenge - and no surprise - DP's team won again bc he is a cheater - jk - he never cheats he is just a lucky bastard.
Dana - was told Arthur had received at least one vote Day 5.
splints - sends in Sheep video.
LoRab - Kills Teeth.
Bea - Insults Dana - No Post no vote Day 6.

Day 6 - Half the players are off of poll bc of Team Challenge - MM our favorite Newt is lynched he was Br. Maynard and he can count to 3.

Night 6
splints - sends in More Than a Feeling video.
Bea - insults Bullz - no vote no post Day 7
LC - Kills Keterman.

Day 7 - llama is lynched he was Dennis' Mom, Dennis cried.

Night 7 -
LoRab - Kills splints.

Day 8 - Mongoose is lynched and she was Dennis.

Night 8 -
boogs - Check Juliets for KOTRT - She is Sir Bevedere. Yay!
Bea - Insults Hedge - again - No post no vote Day 9
LC - Kills Ni.

Day 9 - Boogs is almost lynched but wasn't. Can't be NK/Lynched on odd days (I don't think anyone picked up on this)

Night 9 -
Dana - told King Arthur received at least one vote Day 9
Bea - insults LoRab
LoRab - tried to kill Juliets

Juliets - ended the night early - no one knew
No night actions went through - She had saved herself

Day 10 - Hedgeowl is lynched and she was Tim the Enchanter

Night 10 -
Dana - told King Arthur received at least one vote Day 10
Boogs - Check LC for KOTRT - LC not a KOTRT
Bea - Insults Juliets - no post no vote for Day 11
LC - tries to kill Canuck
Canuck - uses her NK save to avoid death

Day 11 - Bea was lynched and she was Guard of the Castle of Guy de Loimbard

Night 11 -
LoRab - attempts to kill Boogs
Boogs - can't be killed on an odd day

Day 12 - LC is almost lynched but hey he is a bit hard to kill - no attempts had been made previous to this - he still is at full power (ie: All his limbs are still attached to his body)

Night 12 -
Boogs - Check LoRab for KOTRT - She is not a KOTRT
LC - Kills Juliets

Day 13 - LoRab switches the lynch to Dana who was Patsy

Night 13 -
LoRab - Kills or tries to kill LC he doesn't die quite yet he still can kick

Day 14 - LoRab is almost lynched but uses her save

Night 14 -
LC - Kills Canuck

Day 15 - Bullz is almost lynched but uses a Lynch Protect he earned when Boogs info dumped.

Night 15 -
Lorab - Kills Bullz

Day 16 - LoRab is lynched as the Guard of Swallow Castle

Long Con's long con pays off and DFaraday, Bullzeye, Enrique and Long Con win!

[bea]

Great games, guys, and I especially want to give props to the other baddie team for completely blindsiding us so far into the game! We had no idea of who you guys were pretty much until there were no other options left.

You know what's awful? Starting the games as a civvie with two lives, being suspected enough to presumably not be lynched, and still die as early as possible. Still had a lot of fun following the game after that (didn't even make it a fifth of the way through ), and and, also want to give props to Dana for a great first full game! It was clear by the time you died that the civs weren't gonna win, but you made it to the very end and only died because of a lynch switch. Made me proud.

DP, Roxy. You guys were amazing. It only took me 3 days of your game to be completely addicted to Mafia again. I really enjoyed the secret roles format, and actually look forward to more games like this in the future. Good job!

Can we also just take a moment to appreciate Bullzeye for what a great player he is? He won practically every challenge in the game, and despite all the setbacks he won the game. It only made sense to kill him in the end (well, I probably would've killed Boogs, but I recognize I'm biased ), but most wouldn't have lasted as long as Bullz did. I know you're taking a break, but take this win, and hope to play with you again in the future!

fwiw - rico - we thought you were a civ when we killed you. We had the WORST luck for not killing civs. Your recruitment took us by surprise!
I've been waiting ALL game to tell you that.

And yes - bullz did a FANTASTIC job. I really thought at first boogsy was bad when he came out flying after we silenced him. I wasn't lying in those posts where I said "I thought he was civ all game."

[Roxy]

Thank you Socktabulous!

[Roxy]

And rox and dp - this game was AMAZING.

Frustrating, interesting, and insane but AMAZING.

I can't give you enough props for how awesome this was. DP you were johnny on the spot with your posts especially when rox was sick. I know how hard that is as a first time host.

I really hope you enjoyed your experience and consider hosting again.

linki - LC got HIS ROLE???!!!! HAHAHA.

^^^^^ This!! I cannot speak highly enough about Das Porcu!!! He is one of my favorite co-hosts evah!!!!!!!!!! <3

[bea]

And rox and dp - this game was AMAZING.

Frustrating, interesting, and insane but AMAZING.

I can't give you enough props for how awesome this was. DP you were johnny on the spot with your posts especially when rox was sick. I know how hard that is as a first time host.

I really hope you enjoyed your experience and consider hosting again.

linki - LC got HIS ROLE???!!!! HAHAHA.

^^^^^ This!! I cannot speak highly enough about Das Porcu!!! He is one of my favorite co-hosts evah!!!!!!!!!! <3

Yes - I know - second only to splintsy.

[Roxy]

And rox and dp - this game was AMAZING.

Frustrating, interesting, and insane but AMAZING.

I can't give you enough props for how awesome this was. DP you were johnny on the spot with your posts especially when rox was sick. I know how hard that is as a first time host.

I really hope you enjoyed your experience and consider hosting again.

linki - LC got HIS ROLE???!!!! HAHAHA.

^^^^^ This!! I cannot speak highly enough about Das Porcu!!! He is one of my favorite co-hosts evah!!!!!!!!!! <3

Yes - I know - second only to splintsy.

Nah he is 3rd place ------ sssshhhh don't say anything to him

[LoRab]

I <3 my team!!

I assume Boogs got the same info as I did every other night (although I don't see it written in his role, but I only skimmed). I was rather amused when I figured that out.

And I would argue that he didn't really info dump because the information was pretty ambiguous, and may or may not have been true.

@LC: How did you know I had tried to kill you?

[Roxy]

No LoRab Prince Herbert got the info only splints got it every night not every other night.

Boogs could only find out if someone was a KOTRT on even nights.

[bea]

I <3 my team!!

I assume Boogs got the same info as I did every other night (although I don't see it written in his role, but I only skimmed). I was rather amused when I figured that out.

And I would argue that he didn't really info dump because the information was pretty ambiguous, and may or may not have been true.

@LC: How did you know I had tried to kill you?

And I know if canuck could have been here she'd say the same thing:

We <3 you. Srrsly - an amazing set of women to have bts with and lorab is easily the best of us. I learn something new from her every time we play together.

TBH, reading along, I didn't TRUELY realize that LC was bad till he threw in the comment about the indy switching sides. Our info had me thinking he might be Arthur long into the game. But that comment was aimed right at you. And our team.

[Made]

Made - checks SVS for King of the Swamp and learns he is not King of Swamp Castle.
SVS - Deeflects to Made. Made was found not to be King of Swamp Castle.

lol. Also, my bad AP :P
But damn with a 2 for 5 record on lynch attempts, and still haven't voted to kill a single baddie, I'm lucky, but i need to actually start getting good at this game. Monopoly tho, finna run this town

Also, it's kinda cool that Arthur and Patsy both made it to the end of the game together.
GG all!

[fingersplints]

I <3 my team!!

I assume Boogs got the same info as I did every other night (although I don't see it written in his role, but I only skimmed). I was rather amused when I figured that out.

And I would argue that he didn't really info dump because the information was pretty ambiguous, and may or may not have been true.

@LC: How did you know I had tried to kill you?

Yes, as Rox said, I got that info too. Hence the more than a feeling video Had I survived I would have not trusted LC as much since I found it a bit weird he put together that it was some sort of hint, but didn't say anything about it after I was died and revealed to be that role.
Well played to all the finalists, and great game hosts!

[S~V~S]

I was trying so hard to draw the NKs. I could have posted on topic nightly after death, but decided that would not be very neutral so I skipped it.

Congrats baddies

[juliets]

And rox and dp - this game was AMAZING.

Frustrating, interesting, and insane but AMAZING.

I can't give you enough props for how awesome this was. DP you were johnny on the spot with your posts especially when rox was sick. I know how hard that is as a first time host.

I really hope you enjoyed your experience and consider hosting again.

linki - LC got HIS ROLE???!!!! HAHAHA.

^^^^^ This!! I cannot speak highly enough about Das Porcu!!! He is one of my favorite co-hosts evah!!!!!!!!!! <3

More of this ^^^^ DP you and Roxy did a great job of making sure those posts were on time. I am very thankful for just that one thing in addition to the other million things you did.

[fingersplints]

Yea, DP even swooped in with the missed post! Hard to believe it was his first time hosting he did so well!

[bea]

I was trying so hard to draw the NKs. I could have posted on topic nightly after death, but decided that would not be very neutral so I skipped it.

Congrats baddies

I had you so firmly pegged as civ. Had I not had my "vacation" while you were being lynched, I would have been your most vocal defender.

It was a good strategy with the role you had.

[bea]

Yea, DP even swooped in with the missed post! Hard to believe it was his first time hosting he did so well!

It's why I firmly believe that outside of you, he is rox's fav co-host.

DP - really you have a talent for hosting. Please consider designing games - and if you want a co-host to help manage things - I'm sure more than one of us will be ok with that.

[Roxy]

Bea as a co-host you give great bts

[Roxy]

Yea, DP even swooped in with the missed post! Hard to believe it was his first time hosting he did so well!

Yeah when I came to see you, keys and Chris I completely left the game - DP was so cool about it.

[bea]

Bea as a co-host you give great bts

thanks for that -

but really - getting shit done trumps good hosty bts.

I'm cool with my 3rd place ranking. Really- everything I say about it is as jokey as



Oh - so further proof that everytime I watch this I pick up something new- I never saw before that bedaviere was working on flight patterns with swollows and coconuts before seeing this bit.

[Hedgeowl]

Seriously awesome game Roxy and DP! I really loved the team challenges even though I am the slowest computer person ever.

I cannot believe how this game ended! LC - you had me convinced at the end that you were indy too. Well played you guys seriously. Both baddies teams were really amazing this game. I clearly need to listen to my instincts better next time. I only started to even suspect some of you right before I was lynched, because there were still so many baddies it turned out. I loved how you kept vouching for each other too.

Lorab - props for the last minute figuring out of LC. Great post.

Dana's vote for bea was the best. I have seriously wanted to do that myself sometimes, but never have yet.

And hey to my Zoot ladies, julietzoot and ninjazoot!

[LoRab]

No LoRab Prince Herbert got the info only splints got it every night not every other night.

Boogs could only find out if someone was a KOTRT on even nights.

Ah. He said a few things that made me think he had the info I did--especially the bit about Bullz and he kept mentioning cats having so many lives. That's quite funny. I said a few things that were targeted at the idea he got what I got. Alas.

I <3 my team!!

I assume Boogs got the same info as I did every other night (although I don't see it written in his role, but I only skimmed). I was rather amused when I figured that out.

And I would argue that he didn't really info dump because the information was pretty ambiguous, and may or may not have been true.

@LC: How did you know I had tried to kill you?

And I know if canuck could have been here she'd say the same thing:

We <3 you. Srrsly - an amazing set of women to have bts with and lorab is easily the best of us. I learn something new from her every time we play together.

TBH, reading along, I didn't TRUELY realize that LC was bad till he threw in the comment about the indy switching sides. Our info had me thinking he might be Arthur long into the game. But that comment was aimed right at you. And our team.

His comment was aimed right at Arthur....Patrelli.

You ladies rocked. We made it so far.

Who ended night early on the night that the prizes were going out for whatever contest that was that only Knuk and Bea that entered (picture or poem or something)? Had that gone longer, we would have gotten rez to win and rezzed MR, a confirmed civ, who would have been on our team because KNuk had found him (after he was dead, lol). But then I didn't think of that or vote until it was too late. Interesting how the game would have played out if that happened.

Thank you to hosts and teammates and all the players, really, for an amazing game. I haven't had this much fun playing mafia in a very long time. Thanks for ending my brief hiatus and making it a good comeback.

[Boogs]

Wow LC tricked me. Good Job. I thought i won this. So close.

[DFaraday]

Killed Night 1 and I still win. The sweetest win there is.

Great job, LC, Bullz, and Enrique!

[Long Con]

Thanks for the great game, hosts!

Lorab, great Mafia detective work at the end there, everything you said was exactly right. I just wish that you had gone for the golden apple I was offering - if only you had killed Boogs that night, thinking I would vote to lynch Bullz and win with you.

Boogs, sorry I had to lead you on like that. I figured that you would choose Lorab to win if I had let it slip at all in the end there.

Juliets.... ah, Juliets. I probably couldn't have done this without you. You brought up the notion that I was Indy just like in King Arthur on Rev, and I was like... yes... yes I am! It was my ticket to victory.

I truly regret that Bullzeye did not live to the end, we were so close buddy! You lost a coin toss, that's all it came down to. Well, that or Lorab's crazy baddie sense of honour toward Boogs. Great teammate.

I want to apologize to Bullz and Boogs for the scathing posts I made on their gameplay. I cast them in the worst light that I could in order to try and trick Lorab into believing that I would choose to win with her as an Indy, but only as long as she nightkilled Boogs instead of Bullz... but it was to no avail. Great game, both of you!

[bea]

Thanks for the great game, hosts!

Lorab, great Mafia detective work at the end there, everything you said was exactly right. I just wish that you had gone for the golden apple I was offering - if only you had killed Boogs that night, thinking I would vote to lynch Bullz and win with you.

Boogs, sorry I had to lead you on like that. I figured that you would choose Lorab to win if I had let it slip at all in the end there.

Juliets.... ah, Juliets. I probably couldn't have done this without you. You brought up the notion that I was Indy just like in King Arthur on Rev, and I was like... yes... yes I am! It was my ticket to victory.

I truly regret that Bullzeye did not live to the end, we were so close buddy! You lost a coin toss, that's all it came down to. Well, that or Lorab's crazy baddie sense of honour toward Boogs. Great teammate.

I want to apologize to Bullz and Boogs for the scathing posts I made on their gameplay. I cast them in the worst light that I could in order to try and trick Lorab into believing that I would choose to win with her as an Indy, but only as long as she nightkilled Boogs instead of Bullz... but it was to no avail. Great game, both of you!

lol - ok - so for the record: Star Wars - rouge baddie - killed all our civ Jedi to win the game.
Sword of Truth - decieved my entire civ team to win the game.
FIght Club - Recruited police who won with the baddies and sold out the civs.
Monty Python. Baddie baddie baddie.

Am I missing a game *we* have played together? Because really, I'm not joking about my paranoia about you. This is the score I have for every game we've played together....

I truely felt bad about saying stuff like lc is always bad. Especailly since I know in *theory* you are a good civ. I just don't think I've seen it to know the difference.

[LoRab]

Thanks for the great game, hosts!

Lorab, great Mafia detective work at the end there, everything you said was exactly right. I just wish that you had gone for the golden apple I was offering - if only you had killed Boogs that night, thinking I would vote to lynch Bullz and win with you.

Boogs, sorry I had to lead you on like that. I figured that you would choose Lorab to win if I had let it slip at all in the end there.

Juliets.... ah, Juliets. I probably couldn't have done this without you. You brought up the notion that I was Indy just like in King Arthur on Rev, and I was like... yes... yes I am! It was my ticket to victory.

I truly regret that Bullzeye did not live to the end, we were so close buddy! You lost a coin toss, that's all it came down to. Well, that or Lorab's crazy baddie sense of honour toward Boogs. Great teammate.

I want to apologize to Bullz and Boogs for the scathing posts I made on their gameplay. I cast them in the worst light that I could in order to try and trick Lorab into believing that I would choose to win with her as an Indy, but only as long as she nightkilled Boogs instead of Bullz... but it was to no avail. Great game, both of you!

Had I realized you were bad just 24 rl hours earlier--or 48 hours ealier, things would have been entirely different. Alas. Frigging FEB.

And everything I said was honest end game (whole game, really, other than "I'm civ")--I didn't think I had a chance at all. And I did the best I knew how. I completely respect how you played it out. And I would have done the same. Hell, even if you were civ or indy, I would have played it out how you did.

As for killing Bullz, it wasn't just sense of honor--it also made more sense for me. Especially thinking at that point that she was the only other baddie out there. Fuck. I should have realized your shenanigans when you went with "oh no boogs is bad!" and switched my kill to you then. I had suspected an even/odd thing and didn't want to risk another nk on boogs regardless. Part of why I felt good making a deal with him (also honor).

[Long Con]

Bea: Yeah, I probably die early a lot as a Civ. I died in a couple of recent shorter games as a Civ... I was Band of Brothers (the Protector) in TV Show Mafia, and I died early as a Civ in the Internet Meme Mafia recently as well... beyond that, my recollection gets hazy from before my Mafia Hiatus for over a year.

Lorab: FEB!! Tell Diamond Dog.

I know you were being honest, because everything you said could not have been more right. You are a very smart lady. I thought the game was in the bag, then you started in on me, and I was like, "damn, she could actually pull this right out from under me!" So I had to keep laying it on thicker and thicker. It was a real challenge to figure out how to post "kill Boogs and win with me!" without pissing off Boogs. Didn't work on you anyway.

I can't believe we could have killed Boogs any time, since we killed on even nights. I truly believed he just couldn't die until all the Knights of the Round Table were dead.

How did you lynch-switch to Dana? Was that a prize?

If you had chosen to try to kill me in the end, you would have been met with a 1 in 3 chance of success. So you never know.

[LoRab]

And, LC, I'll be totally shameless: in honor of your win and totally snowing me in this game, you should totally donate to my cause to fight childhood cancer. Seriously--no donation is too small, and can make a huge difference. Cancer sucks.



https://www.stbaldricks.org/participant ... 60938/2014

[bea]

Technically - LC - you owe her - not for winning, but because if I remember correctly she won the poll about who rocks the hair style better.


Oh also - shameless plug. Diamond Dog is a character in my Bowie game. He's the civ ninja.

[Long Con]

Ok, ok, I will donate. After I get paid on Wednesday, remind me.

[LoRab]

Omg. I will totally remind you. Thank you!!'

Anyone else is welcome to donate!!

And Bea, dd as civ ninja is awesome.

[bea]

Omg. I will totally remind you. Thank you!!'

Anyone else is welcome to donate!!

And Bea, dd as civ ninja is awesome.

seee....you totes want to play bowie when it comes around....

[thellama73]

I can't believe you guys let Long Con live until the end. I told you he was bad ages ago!

Good game, guys!

[juliets]

Who ended night early on the night that the prizes were going out for whatever contest that was that only Knuk and Bea that entered (picture or poem or something)? Had that gone longer, we would have gotten rez to win and rezzed MR, a confirmed civ, who would have been on our team because KNuk had found him (after he was dead, lol). But then I didn't think of that or vote until it was too late. Interesting how the game would have played out if that happened.

I did. And it's so ironic that I would have died that night had I not ended it. I had a night stop and a lynch stop. I never had to use the lynch stop though it came close a couple of times. If I hadn't had to worry about myself I would have used it later in the game to stop one of the civ lynches.

As for you Long Con, yes I'm aware that i'm the one who decided you must be indy because you were acting just like you did in king authur. Thanks for bringing that up.

[DisgruntledPorcupine]

Woo nobody hates me. Mission accomplished.

Thank you for your kind words.

[Long Con]

How did the lynch get switched from Lorab to Dana?

[LoRab]

How did the lynch get switched from Lorab to Dana?

i used the switch that Knuck had won.

[Long Con]

How did the lynch get switched from Lorab to Dana?

i used the switch that Knuck had won.

Well that makes you a lying liar. Very nice lying, actually, I will be sure to reference the quality of your deception in future games. You're BLACK, Kettle!!

[Marmot]

Good game guys. Another baddie win, lol.

[LoRab]

How did the lynch get switched from Lorab to Dana?

i used the switch that Knuck had won.

Well that makes you a lying liar. Very nice lying, actually, I will be sure to reference the quality of your deception in future games. You're BLACK, Kettle!!

One of the few things I lied about this game. But yeah. I had no choice.

[Long Con]

Good game guys. Another baddie win, lol.

I can't believe the dismal Civvie track record in the Jobs section of the Hall of Fame. Wow! Do we need more powerful Civvie teams in this meta?

[Epignosis]

Good game guys. Another baddie win, lol.

I can't believe the dismal Civvie track record in the Jobs section of the Hall of Fame. Wow! Do we need more powerful Civvie teams in this meta?

It's an issue I've tried to address here:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ?f=8&t=404

I find two reasons for the rampant string of Mafia victories:

1. Overpowered Mafia with an unbalanced ratio.
2. Apathetic or uninvested civilians.

[S~V~S]

It could also be civvies that play their roles as individuals rather than as members of a team; everyone wants to be a chief, no one wants to be an Indian. And civvies need Indians more than chiefs; too many chiefs, and the Indians lose interest. A trend I have noticed here is the civvies waste too much time suspecting each other becasue they are not even trying to play together or as a group.

I could be wrong, but IMO the games here are not any more out of, or in, balance than they are, or were, anywhere else

[thellama73]

The civvies won Clue. Just sayin'.

[Epignosis]

It could also be civvies that play their roles as individuals rather than as members of a team; everyone wants to be a chief, no one wants to be an Indian. And civvies need Indians more than chiefs; too many chiefs, and the Indians lose interest. A trend I have noticed here is the civvies waste too much time suspecting each other becasue they are not even trying to play together or as a group.

I could be wrong, but IMO the games here are not any more out of, or in, balance than they are, or were, anywhere else

Are you implying that all Native Americans are followers?



Seriously, I think the issue is more that, in a full game, there's 48 hours to talk, but many people (mostly civilians) will wait until the last few hours to "catch up" and vote. These people have not allowed themselves the luxury of processing and digesting the information. Then what ends up happening is that they vote between the two (or three) people who have the most votes (or self vote- even worse) and call it a day. They're okay because it isn't them. If I have one skill as a FEB, it's forcing the false dilemma between two civilians. And most of the time it works like a charm.

[Epignosis]

The civvies won Clue. Just sayin'.

I'm so taking credit for that one, too.

[thellama73]

The civvies won Clue. Just sayin'.

I'm so taking credit for that one, too.

You deserve it, although if Boogs had tried to kill someone other than you it would have been a mighty close shave.

[Marmot]

Seriously, I think the issue is more that, in a full game, there's 48 hours to talk, but many people (mostly civilians) will wait until the last few hours to "catch up" and vote. These people have not allowed themselves the luxury of processing and digesting the information. Then what ends up happening is that they vote between the two (or three) people who have the most votes (or self vote- even worse) and call it a day. They're okay because it isn't them.

There's one by-product of having to survive as a civvie to win. Because civvies are trying to fly under the radar, they blend in with the baddies. It should be the other way around.

[Long Con]

Good game guys. Another baddie win, lol.

I can't believe the dismal Civvie track record in the Jobs section of the Hall of Fame. Wow! Do we need more powerful Civvie teams in this meta?

It's an issue I've tried to address here:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ?f=8&t=404

I find two reasons for the rampant string of Mafia victories:

1. Overpowered Mafia with an unbalanced ratio.
2. Apathetic or uninvested civilians.

Looks like a good read, I'll check it out! Thanks!