GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Justplayingitcool]

Yeah don’t out ilario, i think ur likely town

[ilario]

I’m 3p, I’m hks partner. We have two wincons. First wincon is kill two wolves. If we kill two wolves, we achieve our wincon, get removed from the game and game continues as it normally would. Second wincon: we survive all the way to the end (just one of us is fine) and we win with whoever is alive. So yeah, we can win by winning with town and eliminating all the wolves. So there’s heavy incentive for us to townside which is why we have. I used hks day vig on dizzy so we already got 1 of our kills. If Alexa is mafia then I get my second and I leave the game if she flips mafia.

As for my abilities, everything lp outed today is….correct. So correct that I wonder if it’s coming from tmi. They perfectly guessed my characters name and some of their abilities. Which are: twice a game I can make myself untargetable to any night actions. I think the night alexa claimed her vest to be popped was the night wolves tried to kill me. That day before eod, I made a post saying tsp was probably a wolf and mac even noticed it and commented on it. I killed dizzy that day. I was pushing mac. And fossed alexa. I’ve been n1d 3 of my last games in a row (excluding didney world). Im a hot commodity for wolves to nk, so yes I do strongly believe wolves had a lot of reason to want me dead.

Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.

And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way. I wasn’t being sussed by anyone, I can just keep living off the towncred from dizzy and achieve my wincon if it was an evil one. I wouldn’t invest this much into solving when I’m already in a good spot. So why would I as 3p care so much about townsiding? Because I’m a petty ass bitch and I think wolves chose players so I wanna bury the entire team for not choosing me lol, that’s pmuch it.

[sabie12]

I will explain that alexa and belzy's super strong push towards Mac and then paopan gave me some pause and I wanted to make sure it was the right decision. I went through macyo's ISO and there were some interactions with dizzy that obviously we know now are fabricated but I wanted to discuss and make sure. I don't feel like being cautious is a bad thing this stage of the game. Macyo seemed like more likely a hit and even though I do find pao scummy I didn't want to be wrong. The fact that alexa has outed peoples roles without them even being pushed or needing to also made me a bit wary.

Can you walk us through what exactly happened in your chat with belzy and alexa? How did the conversation unfold, and how did you all arrive at Macyo?

I don't know game rule wise how much we're supposed to discuss btsc. There was some discussion before an official decision was made. Now that macyo has flipped mafia I feel better about alexa and belzy. Before knowing for sure there was some apprehension. They were trying to make the decision to shoot pao for me despite me saying I was unsure about it but also they said they think the thread would chop him.

[Sloonei]

I mean if that’s all true then we are powerless to prevent your win condition, and if it’s not true then you’ve just decreased your chances significantly.

[Porscha]

I’m 3p, I’m hks partner. We have two wincons. First wincon is kill two wolves. If we kill two wolves, we achieve our wincon, get removed from the game and game continues as it normally would. Second wincon: we survive all the way to the end (just one of us is fine) and we win with whoever is alive. So yeah, we can win by winning with town and eliminating all the wolves. So there’s heavy incentive for us to townside which is why we have. I used hks day vig on dizzy so we already got 1 of our kills. If Alexa is mafia then I get my second and I leave the game if she flips mafia.

As for my abilities, everything lp outed today is….correct. So correct that I wonder if it’s coming from tmi. They perfectly guessed my characters name and some of their abilities. Which are: twice a game I can make myself untargetable to any night actions. I think the night alexa claimed her vest to be popped was the night wolves tried to kill me. That day before eod, I made a post saying tsp was probably a wolf and mac even noticed it and commented on it. I killed dizzy that day. I was pushing mac. And fossed alexa. I’ve been n1d 3 of my last games in a row (excluding didney world). Im a hot commodity for wolves to nk, so yes I do strongly believe wolves had a lot of reason to want me dead.

Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.

And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way. I wasn’t being sussed by anyone, I can just keep living off the towncred from dizzy and achieve my wincon if it was an evil one. I wouldn’t invest this much into solving when I’m already in a good spot. So why would I as 3p care so much about townsiding? Because I’m a petty ass bitch and I think wolves chose players so I wanna bury the entire team for not choosing me lol, that’s pmuch it.

I respect this. I think they got your exact role info from a previous game that had the roles. but I see it and I'm picking up what you're putting down

[Porscha]

for now i'm gonna actually put my vote on alexa

[Porscha]

might swap to creature if we need the vote later cuz I'm still on the fence about them too

[Sloonei]

for now i'm gonna actually put my vote on alexa

Alexa is poisoned and will presumably die today no matter what

[sabie12]

Alexa did bring up the 3p thing last night as well which was what got me thinking about who made sense as a 3p player so far. So she knew about it prior to start of day today. Could have been when she claimed to be role blocked though.

[Justplayingitcool]

I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

[Sloonei]

I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

We’re not really trusting ilario with anything. Alexa is already poisoned. She’a flipping today whether we trust ilario or not.

[Justplayingitcool]

I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

We’re not really trusting ilario with anything. Alexa is already poisoned. She’a flipping today whether we trust ilario or not.

Yeah, so I guess we leave them both for today and kill elsewhere?

[Justplayingitcool]

in a way it's a good thing ilario outed, it means dya's town stock has risen dramatically.

[Sloonei]

I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

We’re not really trusting ilario with anything. Alexa is already poisoned. She’a flipping today whether we trust ilario or not.

Yeah, so I guess we leave them both for today and kill elsewhere?

Might I interest you in a Creature wagon?

[Justplayingitcool]

I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

We’re not really trusting ilario with anything. Alexa is already poisoned. She’a flipping today whether we trust ilario or not.

Yeah, so I guess we leave them both for today and kill elsewhere?

Might I interest you in a Creature wagon?

lol. Let me think about it as my reasons for town reading that slot is starting to go stale, I suppose. So a revaluation is in order. I will /maybe/ read his ISO after work.

What's your read on Pao?

[ilario]

Also another reason why I didn’t scumside is because my role can’t. If scum kills all villagers and there’s more than 1 wolf alive with me endgame then wolves win. If there’s only one wolf, then my faction takes the win from wolves. So technically there is no way for me to win with wolves, or else I woulda just sided with Alexa once I started to sr her in that hopes that I could win with her. I can however still win with town if I endgame with town no matter how many town are alive, ik it sounds weird and that’s why there’s more incentive to townside with my role but Yeah I don’t blame u if u don’t believe me, if I’m wrong on alexa I deserve to be voted out tomorrow anyways.

[ilario]

But yeah the detail in which lp knew about my role today instead of hunting for wolves overnight weirded me out

[ilario]

The thing that I don’t understand is, if there’s a wolf in the trio of bel Alexa and pao, why didn’t they warn mac he was gonna get shot so he can try to get a soup off on his way out?

I can only think of two answers, 1. Not every wolf can do the soup and it’s just a specific role 2. Wolves were playing greedy and wanted to get more mech info before the soup

There is a third option in that no wolves were in that chat, but even so, I think wolf mac knew yesterday that writing was on the wall and would have thought about doing the soup kill.

If it’s option 1, then it means whoever has the soup role is relatively deep and that’s why they haven’t used it yet so that rules out people like sabie pao etc

Cabbage Stew

Mafia have access to a soup kill--how does this work? Glad you asked! Once per game, Mafia can:

Forgo their factional kill
Designate one team member as the Soup Chef, this member cannot use any of their role abilities (note that a goon, if one exists, can only perform a soup kill if they are the last remaining team Mafia member)

So that implies anyone can use the soup? In which case I really wonder why mac didn’t use it

It implies anyone but Mac can use it, I think. They were vanilla, aka a goon

oh didnt see that, then yeah i think that increases my theory that rest of the deep was deep/in not much danger today

[ilario]

rest of the team was deep*

[Belzy]

Once we get soup killed there won't be more than 8 people alove and we got 4 mafia still left alive, so we really need to lynch mafia today and ideally solve the entire mafia team so we know what lynches to push for the rest of the game. Ilario being 3p makes sense, he was never mafia and therefore either town or 3p.

[Justplayingitcool]

Once we get soup killed there won't be more than 8 people alove and we got 4 mafia still left alive, so we really need to lynch mafia today and ideally solve the entire mafia team so we know what lynches to push for the rest of the game. Ilario being 3p makes sense, he was never mafia and therefore either town or 3p.

There is 3 mafia left.

[Belzy]

Alexa town
Belzy town
Creature poe
Drwilg poe
Dya town/3p?
Falcon town
Ilario 3p
Jpic poe
Lp poe
Paopan poe
Porscha town
Sabie town?
Sloonei poe

If there are 4 mafia members in Creature Wilg Jpic Lp Paopan Sloonei, then we got a realistic poe to work with.

[Belzy]

Once we get soup killed there won't be more than 8 people alove and we got 4 mafia still left alive, so we really need to lynch mafia today and ideally solve the entire mafia team so we know what lynches to push for the rest of the game. Ilario being 3p makes sense, he was never mafia and therefore either town or 3p.

There is 3 mafia left.

Oh thank you, that is already much better.

7 marmot
6 dyslexicon
5 phil and gloria
4
3
2
1

Who am i missing?

[Belzy]

for now i'm gonna actually put my vote on alexa

Whyy??????

[Justplayingitcool]

Once we get soup killed there won't be more than 8 people alove and we got 4 mafia still left alive, so we really need to lynch mafia today and ideally solve the entire mafia team so we know what lynches to push for the rest of the game. Ilario being 3p makes sense, he was never mafia and therefore either town or 3p.

There is 3 mafia left.

Oh thank you, that is already much better.

7 marmot
6 dyslexicon
5 phil and gloria
4
3
2
1

Who am i missing?

TSP

[Justplayingitcool]

There's no point killing Alexa today if you believe they are scum as they are poisoned

[Belzy]

Once we get soup killed there won't be more than 8 people alove and we got 4 mafia still left alive, so we really need to lynch mafia today and ideally solve the entire mafia team so we know what lynches to push for the rest of the game. Ilario being 3p makes sense, he was never mafia and therefore either town or 3p.

There is 3 mafia left.

Oh thank you, that is already much better.

7 marmot
6 dyslexicon
5 phil and gloria
4
3
2
1

Who am i missing?

TSP

Omg i suk haha thx

[Belzy]

Maybe the Tsp lynch day was so underwhelming i forgot about it lol

[Belzy]

Nice, only 3 mafia members left. If we go with the 6 man poe, solving the final 3 mafia members, lynch the mafia members, we can still perhaps win??

[Belzy]

There's no point killing Alexa today if you believe they are scum as they are poisoned

Lynching Alexa is the worst idea ever. She is obvious town.

[sabie12]

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

[Belzy]

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

It always okay to kill off both mafia and 3p, cuz then you know for sure town wins. I do feel the pressure in lynching mafia first cuz of the soup kill waiting to happen.

[sabie12]

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

It always okay to kill off both mafia and 3p, cuz then you know for sure town wins. I do feel the pressure in lynching mafia first cuz of the soup kill waiting to happen.

Yeah definitely go for mafia first. I'm just pointing out that it sounds as though in the rules that 3p can then kill us after mafia is gone so if that's true then ilarios claim that he can win with us would be false.

[Belzy]

Paopan Sloonei ilario are voting Creature
I don't like this wagon, paopon sloonei are both poe, ilario 3p, and Creature is perhaps the least scummy poe player imo

Falcon sabie jpic are voting Paopan
I like this wagon a little better, only jpic is poe imo, and paopon is either scum or scummy town

And we should not just hop wagons, but really try the solve the game. I wanna know the final 3 mafia members well before eod, and then we orchestratw the right lynches.

So why not go for sloonei here?

[Belzy]

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

It always okay to kill off both mafia and 3p, cuz then you know for sure town wins. I do feel the pressure in lynching mafia first cuz of the soup kill waiting to happen.

Yeah definitely go for mafia first. I'm just pointing out that it sounds as though in the rules that 3p can then kill us after mafia is gone so if that's true then ilarios claim that he can win with us would be false.

I never trust 3p. We need to solve the game first, and then orchestrate the order of the lynches. We now know ilario is 3p and possibly somoene we need to lynch or kill, now we need to know who are the final mafia three, and we decide what to do.

[ilario]

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

we dont, the game ends when mafia dies

[Belzy]

Creature is voting sloonei, this could be town voting scum
Alexa is voting sabie, this is voting town for an uncertain maybe townie spot, obviously we had our chat and sabie didn't kill paopon
Porscha is voting alexa, i am pretty sure this is town voting town, so i told Porscha to stop doing this

[Justplayingitcool]

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

we dont, the game ends when mafia dies

It says in the OP that 3p receive the faction kill assuming no lost wolf.

"If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party"

[Belzy]

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

we dont, the game ends when mafia dies

We cannot know for sure. 3p lies all the game about being town sides. You are 3p, noted. Possibly town sided, and i like the Dizzy shot, and lynching mafia is priority rn, so again, it is noted, but let's not waste half the day discussing we need 3p dead or alive cuz we cannot proof that, and we really need to sort the poe and out the mafia three.

[Belzy]

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

we dont, the game ends when mafia dies

It says in the OP that 3p receive the faction kill assuming no lost wolf.

"If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party"

And this is good reason why never trust 3p.

[Belzy]

I read the first sentence and stopped. Trusting a 3P HAS NEVER GONE WRONG IN THE HISTORY OF MAFIA.

We’re not really trusting ilario with anything. Alexa is already poisoned. She’a flipping today whether we trust ilario or not.

Yeah, so I guess we leave them both for today and kill elsewhere?

Might I interest you in a Creature wagon?

Qfr

[ilario]

Have u ever seen a 3p lie when they already had the game in the bag if their goal was to endgame? If anything my claim just increases the odds of me dying, when realistically before the claim the odds of me dying to a vote was very slim. Anyways the only reason I’m saying this is because I don’t want you to avoid wagons just because I’m on it lol, even if u don’t believe me I have no reason to not lie about wanting to scumhunt here as it helps me just as much as it helps you even in a hypothetical world where what I say is not true.

[Belzy]

The thing that I don’t understand is, if there’s a wolf in the trio of bel Alexa and pao, why didn’t they warn mac he was gonna get shot so he can try to get a soup off on his way out?

I can only think of two answers, 1. Not every wolf can do the soup and it’s just a specific role 2. Wolves were playing greedy and wanted to get more mech info before the soup

There is a third option in that no wolves were in that chat, but even so, I think wolf mac knew yesterday that writing was on the wall and would have thought about doing the soup kill.

If it’s option 1, then it means whoever has the soup role is relatively deep and that’s why they haven’t used it yet so that rules out people like sabie pao etc

Cabbage Stew

Mafia have access to a soup kill--how does this work? Glad you asked! Once per game, Mafia can:

Forgo their factional kill
Designate one team member as the Soup Chef, this member cannot use any of their role abilities (note that a goon, if one exists, can only perform a soup kill if they are the last remaining team Mafia member)

If only a soup kill can happen with 1 mafia member left who has to be goon, then that is really good news.

[Belzy]

Have u ever seen a 3p lie when they already had the game in the bag if their goal was to endgame? If anything my claim just increases the odds of me dying, when realistically before the claim the odds of me dying to a vote was very slim. Anyways the only reason I’m saying this is because I don’t want you to avoid wagons just because I’m on it lol, even if u don’t believe me I have no reason to not lie about wanting to scumhunt here as it helps me just as much as it helps you even in a hypothetical world where what I say is not true.

I see 3p lie every game. Stop this discussion and help me finding the final mafia three.

[ilario]

What about the part where it says 3p inherits the factional kill if mafia is eliminated? Wouldn't that mean that ilario would then be able to kill us? I don't get how that would work or help us. Do we not win if we eliminate the remaining 3 mafia?

we dont, the game ends when mafia dies

It says in the OP that 3p receive the faction kill assuming no lost wolf.

"If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party"

can u link that to me? cos unless i misread my role pm that cant be true

and if i misread than it wouldnt the first time thats happened LOL

[Belzy]

Rn i disapprove the Creature wagon
I could approve the Paopon and sloonei wagons

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Still investigating, i am

[ilario]

Yup just double checked, game ends when mafia dies

[ilario]

Rn i disapprove the Creature wagon
I could approve the Paopon and sloonei wagons

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Still investigating, i am

Sigh I think ur gonna regret this lol

[Justplayingitcool]

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@ilario

third last paragraph

[Belzy]

Rn i disapprove the Creature wagon
I could approve the Paopon and sloonei wagons

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Still investigating, i am

Sigh I think ur gonna regret this lol

Please elobarate your words, cuz this isn't helping when i mention three poe players in my post