GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Belzy]

Sloonei is more likely mafia than Paopon, and they might not be teamed.

But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.

Has been defending* Paopan

Paopan is firmly in my POE.

Yet you are defending Paopon today

[LinearPoint]

Could Paopan and LinearPoint be direct counterclaims to each other?

Well only 1 protective role is dead so having 2 makes some sense.
The problem is Neeko is being convinced by paopan saying Mafia cannot have a Protective role as a sign that Paopan is a Mafia Protective role.
Still Neeko is certain Paopan is a protective role, but again this defense is the same that Paopan used in Fortune of Lies where Paopan was a Mafia using the defense that they are a confirmed Lie Detector and could not possibly be Mafia.
Also asking to be lynched was something Paopan did in that game so Paopan doing the same here is starting to look like a carbon copy of their play that game.

Only problem is, Mafia obviously chose players with mac's flip and unless Paopan is Mafia captain no one would choose Paopan.

[Belzy]

Urge to claim rising. I have mech which can confirm me as town.

You defended both Dizzy and Mac. Called them town, for one simple little reason, never voted them... you vote a lot of townie, and spared Tsp while making a weird scrunity post. You have protected literally every known mafia player.

I never defended Dizzy. Dizzy was dead before I was really involved with the game. Marmot too.

I did think Mac was town for a while. So did everyone else.

I still have mech which can confirm me as town.

Not everyone thought Mac was town.

And you did. See qfr

That qfr was about you townreading Mac based on his interaction with Dizzy, actually

[Belzy]

@Belzy can you attempt to entertain a world where I am town please? Consider it a mental exercise.

I have done that.

[alexa]

Betsy has been the most obv town slot in the game, they were under no risk and there was no reason to out their role


UNLESS this was some crazy town play by Alexa where she outed fake roles so mafia gets the wrong soup info but judging by porcha and Betsy reaction to it I don’t think that’s the case

I like how you product this out of thin air today but said nothing yesterday, you are so fucking clearly operating under an agenda dude and if not then I don't even know what to say to you



I outed it because the slots were getting heat and I wanted to protect them, it was obviously impulsive/not smart but your narrative of me doing that as scum makes no sense. You can die tomorrow (or hopefully tonight from sabie)

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is more likely mafia than Paopon, and they might not be teamed.

But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.

Has been defending* Paopan

Paopan is firmly in my POE.

Yet you are defending Paopon today

When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.

[sabie12]

In response to LPs huge post alexa talked about the 3p thing last night in the vig chat prior to the MR flip and knowing she was posioned. How did you come up with the possible roles they had?

[alexa]

Oh and tsp the slot she called wolfy d2 for its entirety she didn’t even out, tsp survived over guillo over 1 vote, alexa spent all game town defending guillo and she had the power to vote her sr (tsp) to kill him and save guillo eod d2

She didnt

I was trying to defend Guillo EOD, I didn't realize killing him would save Guillo, the polls were chaotic AF, I obviously would've if I could've

[Sloonei]

We should be trying to identify town players in the POE right now.

[alexa]

U wanna know how to read alexa?

As mafia, she postures
As town, she solves and leads and Carries most of the time

This game shes just been posturing, the entire game. Calls people like 112, c4, seanzie town when it’s convenient but does nothing to save them when they’re in danger. Calls people like mac and tsp a wolf, but never meaningfully votes them or pushes them. Her strongest push on mac came yesterday when the yeet was already locked into tsp, she never pushed him when he was actually vulnerable despite calling him scum lots

Please don't try to read me again lol.



I don't always "carry" but I am literally responsible for killing a wolf last night so WTF. I don't think I've done anything that wrong this game

[Belzy]

Sloonei is more likely mafia than Paopon, and they might not be teamed.

But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.

Has been defending* Paopan

Paopan is firmly in my POE.

Yet you are defending Paopon today

When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.

You say Paopon is in your POE but once Paopon is in danger of getting lynched, you try to convince others not to lynch him and call every reason nai. Why is he even in your POE? I reeks as a fake POE.

[Creature]

We should be trying to identify town players in the POE right now.

I'd rather identify the wolf players. Lynching town here looks catastrophic.

[Belzy]

U wanna know how to read alexa?

As mafia, she postures
As town, she solves and leads and Carries most of the time

This game shes just been posturing, the entire game. Calls people like 112, c4, seanzie town when it’s convenient but does nothing to save them when they’re in danger. Calls people like mac and tsp a wolf, but never meaningfully votes them or pushes them. Her strongest push on mac came yesterday when the yeet was already locked into tsp, she never pushed him when he was actually vulnerable despite calling him scum lots

Alexa could have easily convinced Sabie to together vote Paopan instead of Mac, but she decided on Mac herself and also with me.

[alexa]

Okay I've calmed down. Illario is likely 3P with a malicious wincon because whatever he said of his wincon didn't make sense/seemed wildly convenient. So there's no use in me being upset, if he actually has the wincon he claims he has then he deserves to lose anyway.

[LinearPoint]

In response to LPs huge post alexa talked about the 3p thing last night in the vig chat prior to the MR flip and knowing she was posioned. How did you come up with the possible roles they had?

Because Neeko read HK's role's wincon in Fallout Mafia. There was 2 roles that shared that wincon and 1 role was HK's flip.
Neeko was curious what HK's wincon was since it wasn't flipped with HK so she went and looked and found Vortis.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei is more likely mafia than Paopon, and they might not be teamed.

But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.

Has been defending* Paopan

Paopan is firmly in my POE.

Yet you are defending Paopon today

When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.

You say Paopon is in your POE but once Paopon is in danger of getting lynched, you try to convince others not to lynch him and call every reason nai. Why is he even in your POE? I reeks as a fake POE.

He is in the POE because I have no reason to town read him. That's what "POE" means in this context.

That Paopan is playing how paopan evidently always plays the game is not a conclusive reason to suspect him. It's not a reason to call him town either.

You are in a tunnel right now, Belzy.

[alexa]

I thought this too but then I also feel like what's the point of a mafia publicly trying to out roles when they could keep that info to themselves while having town feel more relaxed to have a more surprise soup? it almost read as town as much as I hated it

Because it makes us all say "oh, alexa is the town role clop, let's clear her and move on with the game."

she was already pocketing me and belzy early what's the point

Let’s say she’s mafia.
Okay let’s say she didn’t out it.
Suddenly in the night you both get mysterious soup killed meanwhile she’s still alive. People are gonna wonder why the outed role cop is alive but you both died.

That’s no longer a problem now that ur role is outed.

thank you for the perspective I see your skepticism and I'm not beyond seeing alexa as a deep wolf but if she's maf then did she lie about getting shot n2? and what about LP giving her vest?

Yea I think she lied to look clear. Lp giving her a vest I think is true regardless of their alignment.

so maf didn't shoot and then alexa claimed she was shot? that would be playing the long con lol

Shooting is mandatory if no soup.

[Belzy]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

This vote was when Tsp was outed, right?

[Sloonei]

We should be trying to identify town players in the POE right now.

I'd rather identify the wolf players. Lynching town here looks catastrophic.

Identifying the remaining town in the POE also identifies those wolves.

[alexa]

plus alexa and belzy were the 2 who voted to use their vigi shot on mac. do you think alexa just bussed him since he was getting a lot of criticism after tsp got red checked?

That’s why I asked who suggested the shot first in the hood. My guess is belzy wanted mac shot, at which point then yes wolf Alexa would agree with the shot. If she came into the hood demanding mac to be shot that’s another story and what town alexa would do. My guess is this is what happened in the hood:

Alexa asks everyone their thoughts, floats a few names, one of which included mac and the other probably pao
Betsy suggests they want mac dead
Alexa says something like “okay I isod mac and yeah I agree he’s a wolf let’s shoot him”

No, I stated I wanted Mac dead first.

[Sloonei]

ALSO ALSO we have not discussed that the setup seems to imply a lost wolf exists.

[Belzy]

But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.

Has been defending* Paopan

Paopan is firmly in my POE.

Yet you are defending Paopon today

When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.

You say Paopon is in your POE but once Paopon is in danger of getting lynched, you try to convince others not to lynch him and call every reason nai. Why is he even in your POE? I reeks as a fake POE.

He is in the POE because I have no reason to town read him. That's what "POE" means in this context.

That Paopan is playing how paopan evidently always plays the game is not a conclusive reason to suspect him. It's not a reason to call him town either.

You are in a tunnel right now, Belzy.

Did you learn that last sentence from Dyslexicon? He would be the only one in this game to tell me that based on our conversation.

[Sloonei]

Can someone remind me who was responsible for each Day 1 vig shot?

[Sloonei]

Has been defending* Paopan

Paopan is firmly in my POE.

Yet you are defending Paopon today

When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.

You say Paopon is in your POE but once Paopon is in danger of getting lynched, you try to convince others not to lynch him and call every reason nai. Why is he even in your POE? I reeks as a fake POE.

He is in the POE because I have no reason to town read him. That's what "POE" means in this context.

That Paopan is playing how paopan evidently always plays the game is not a conclusive reason to suspect him. It's not a reason to call him town either.

You are in a tunnel right now, Belzy.

Did you learn that last sentence from Dyslexicon? He would be the only one in this game to tell me that based on our conversation.

I have no idea what this means, but you are being immensely frustrating right now.

[alexa]

I just think she’s trying to shade sabie for doing something that isn’t scummy to begin with. I asked sabie to holster yesterday so it’s not unreasonable for them to holster

Like her vote today is on sabie….for not shooting pao. If pao is town there is nothing wrong with sabie holstering and if anything Sabie had a perfect opportunity to kill a town pr and take no blame for it since everyone in the chat agreed to it at night. If pao is a wolf it does look worse for sabie, but in which case alexa would be voting pao first instead of voting sabie.

If anything it does increase the dynamic slightly that pao and Alexa can be potentially w/w, but not high enough that I would wanna risk killing a self resolvable slot like a town prot

I didn't know you asked Sabie to holster. but sabie said they weren't holstering

you are pre-emptively justifying yourself on me for bullshit reasons

[alexa]

ALSO ALSO we have not discussed that the setup seems to imply a lost wolf exists.

how so?

[Justplayingitcool]

ALSO ALSO we have not discussed that the setup seems to imply a lost wolf exists.

or Ilario is a liar

[Justplayingitcool]

ALSO ALSO we have not discussed that the setup seems to imply a lost wolf exists.

how so?

If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party. There will be an announcement when any faction is completely eliminated from the game.

[Belzy]

I just think she’s trying to shade sabie for doing something that isn’t scummy to begin with. I asked sabie to holster yesterday so it’s not unreasonable for them to holster

Like her vote today is on sabie….for not shooting pao. If pao is town there is nothing wrong with sabie holstering and if anything Sabie had a perfect opportunity to kill a town pr and take no blame for it since everyone in the chat agreed to it at night. If pao is a wolf it does look worse for sabie, but in which case alexa would be voting pao first instead of voting sabie.

If anything it does increase the dynamic slightly that pao and Alexa can be potentially w/w, but not high enough that I would wanna risk killing a self resolvable slot like a town prot

When/where/how did you ask Sabie to holster? Alexa and I talked with her literally last night about her shooting Paopan.

[Sloonei]

If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party. There will be an announcement when any faction is completely eliminated from the game.

[Belzy]

ALSO ALSO we have not discussed that the setup seems to imply a lost wolf exists.

or Ilario is a liar

Yeah

[alexa]

And all of this isn’t something I’m making up on the spot, you can see from my posts yesterday I felt strongly about this

You had Mac and Creature as a team, but you poison me? like WTF, that makes no sense whatsoever. you very clearly have a malicious wincon.

[Sloonei]

I guess that's not a direct implication. But it's a suggestion that there may be lost mafia.

[alexa]

If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party. There will be an announcement when any faction is completely eliminated from the game.

hm, wouldn't lost wolf have to be assigned though, since it's technically a role? or does it not work that way on TS?

[Belzy]

Paopan is firmly in my POE.

Yet you are defending Paopon today

When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.

You say Paopon is in your POE but once Paopon is in danger of getting lynched, you try to convince others not to lynch him and call every reason nai. Why is he even in your POE? I reeks as a fake POE.

He is in the POE because I have no reason to town read him. That's what "POE" means in this context.

That Paopan is playing how paopan evidently always plays the game is not a conclusive reason to suspect him. It's not a reason to call him town either.

You are in a tunnel right now, Belzy.

Did you learn that last sentence from Dyslexicon? He would be the only one in this game to tell me that based on our conversation.

I have no idea what this means, but you are being immensely frustrating right now.

You said that sentence yourself, so you do know what it means.

[Sloonei]

If the group mafia team is eliminated, any lost mafia that may exist will inherit the factional kill and the tie break. If there are no lost mafia, it will be inherited by a third party. There will be an announcement when any faction is completely eliminated from the game.

hm, wouldn't lost wolf have to be assigned though, since it's technically a role? or does it not work that way on TS?

I've never played a game with the "mafia captain" mechanic before.

[Creature]

We should be trying to identify town players in the POE right now.

I'd rather identify the wolf players. Lynching town here looks catastrophic.

Identifying the remaining town in the POE also identifies those wolves.

Thing is: my POE is you, Wilgy and Pao in he world alexa is town. But I'm still very uncertain.

[Sloonei]

Yet you are defending Paopon today

When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.

You say Paopon is in your POE but once Paopon is in danger of getting lynched, you try to convince others not to lynch him and call every reason nai. Why is he even in your POE? I reeks as a fake POE.

He is in the POE because I have no reason to town read him. That's what "POE" means in this context.

That Paopan is playing how paopan evidently always plays the game is not a conclusive reason to suspect him. It's not a reason to call him town either.

You are in a tunnel right now, Belzy.

Did you learn that last sentence from Dyslexicon? He would be the only one in this game to tell me that based on our conversation.

I have no idea what this means, but you are being immensely frustrating right now.

You said that sentence yourself, so you do know what it means.

There are four sentences in the post in question. I do not know which one of them you are referring to, and Dizzy is not the sole inventor of any of the concepts we are talking about.

This conversation is pointless.

[Creature]

Identifying town doesn't help when it only makes you need to constantly open up the POE. Better get one wolf and see what night actions bring as new.

[Justplayingitcool]

I do not know Sloonei's wolf meta. Does he get visibly annoyed as a wolf?

[LinearPoint]

Can someone remind me who was responsible for each Day 1 vig shot?

KZA - Sean
Marmot - Dya
Scotty - MR
Bo - C4
Alison - Alexa

[Sloonei]

We should be trying to identify town players in the POE right now.

I'd rather identify the wolf players. Lynching town here looks catastrophic.

Identifying the remaining town in the POE also identifies those wolves.

Thing is: my POE is you, Wilgy and Pao in he world alexa is town. But I'm still very uncertain.

There are three wolves remaining, so if this is your POE then your POE has a full team in place.

And that POE is wrong. So let's go over the uncertain things, I guess.

[Belzy]

This is a town meltdown.

Fml

[Sloonei]

Can someone remind me who was responsible for each Day 1 vig shot?

KZA - Sean
Marmot - Dya
Scotty - MR
Bo - C4
Alison - Alexa

Thank you.

I do indeed have mech that confirms me as town.

[Creature]

ALSO ALSO we have not discussed that the setup seems to imply a lost wolf exists.

So one wolf is uninformed or vice versa? Could captain pick them?

[Creature]

Can someone remind me who was responsible for each Day 1 vig shot?

Seanzie --> KZA
dyachei --> Marmot
??? --> Scotty
c4e5g3d5 (event prize) --> BoKnows
alexa (event prize) --> Alison

[Creature]

I don't remember if the Scotty shot was claimed

[Justplayingitcool]

ALSO ALSO we have not discussed that the setup seems to imply a lost wolf exists.

So one wolf is uninformed or vice versa? Could captain pick them?

If there is indeed a lost wolf

I reckon the wolf captain still picks someone as a lost wolf but they are still uninformed. I'm not sure how this will work if the wolf team picks roles though

[LinearPoint]

I don't remember if the Scotty shot was claimed

No one did, but MR very clearly did with their flip.

[alexa]

Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.

And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way.

I did actually discuss this in chat. You can ask them, I realized it last night.


Yes you do. You're taking out one of the clearest towns in the game


If you're not evil aligned, I'm going to be pretty upset with you.