GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Creature]

I think this is bringing me into closing on DrWilgy/Paopan/sabie12

I just hate the implication of possibly lynching a town vigilante here.

Boy you would hate to be introduced to a role called Serial Killer.

Usually a serial killer has to kill mafia when town is clearly losing

[Justplayingitcool]

oh i got 10k nice

[LinearPoint]

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

Oh wait I entirely forgot Justplayingitcool existed.

I forget I exist too

Honestly Neeko has a hard time reading your name in thread so it gets blanked out frequently.
Something abotu the color and thin letters really hurts her dyslexia.

[Belzy]

oh i got 10k nice

I announced it for you lol

I didn't forget

[Creature]

I think this is bringing me into closing on DrWilgy/Paopan/sabie12

I just hate the implication of possibly lynching a town vigilante here.

Boy you would hate to be introduced to a role called Serial Killer.

Usually a serial killer has to kill mafia when town is clearly losing

Btw I won a serial killer game like this in 2019

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=81078

It was pretty fun but sad that I already peaked as non-town

[Creature]

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

Oh wait I entirely forgot Justplayingitcool existed.

I forget I exist too

Are you a lost wolf?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: pao] aubergine

[Creature]

idk I just ain't touching JPIC because I don't want to disappoint c4e5g3d5

[Sloonei]

Reading @Paopan would be easier if they could tell us who they have targeted each night.

[Justplayingitcool]

The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

Oh wait I entirely forgot Justplayingitcool existed.

I forget I exist too

Are you a lost wolf?

I am not, but I don't think you'll believe me

[Justplayingitcool]

idk I just ain't touching JPIC because I don't want to disappoint c4e5g3d5

Don't let Radish down either

[LinearPoint]

Reading @Paopan would be easier if they could tell us who they have targeted each night.

Honestly Neeko understands why they may not since that could give up too much info such as if they have limited uses or a JOAT. Both of which help mafia in souping.

[Creature]

Best strategy for wolves atp is to claim they have a confirmable role because soup kill will always make claiming it very risky and so wolves can get away with it for as long as they need.

[LinearPoint]

Honestly Neeko still thinks creature is more likely to be scum. He really seems to be doing his best to keep options for mislynching open and has suspicion on pretty much everyone.

[LinearPoint]

Best strategy for wolves atp is to claim they have a confirmable role because soup kill will always make claiming it very risky and so wolves can get away with it for as long as they need.

what is atp? At this point?

[Justplayingitcool]

Best strategy for wolves atp is to claim they have a confirmable role because soup kill will always make claiming it very risky and so wolves can get away with it for as long as they need.

what is atp? At this point?

yes

[Creature]

I believe wolves are saving their soup until they have enough numbers to guarantee parity so perhaps we can survive a mislynch. Still, it's highly imperative we lynch wolf today because we need to reduce their numbers. If we reduce their numbers maybe we can have someone safely claim without giving enough soup kills for wolves to endgame.

[Creature]

Best strategy for wolves atp is to claim they have a confirmable role because soup kill will always make claiming it very risky and so wolves can get away with it for as long as they need.

what is atp? At this point?

Yes, it means "at this point".

[LinearPoint]

Neeko has been suspecting Mafia may just be saving their soup kill to ensure there is no massclaim.

[Sloonei]

I have a confession to make.

I have always read "atp" as "at the present."

[Creature]

Neeko has been suspecting Mafia may just be saving their soup kill to ensure there is no massclaim.

Yes, I think the same. They won't use the soup kill until they have enough to guarantee parity.

[Sloonei]

Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

[Creature]

I still think Sloonei could be wolf pulling the "i have a confirmable role" shit, but I'm giving the benefit of doubt because there should have at least two wolves elsewhere.

[falcon45ca]

I have a confession to make.

I have always read "atp" as "at the present."

Terrorist

[Justplayingitcool]

Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

I have had moments of hesitation

[Creature]

Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

I think I've been so flipfloppy that it'd be hard for me to replicate this as wolf. Usually I'm a lot less paranoid and wishy-washy as wolf.

[falcon45ca]

I've always read atp as adenosine triphosphate

[Creature]

I don't have anything internal that can clear me though.

[LinearPoint]

Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

Don't you mean at this present?
Also not really.

[falcon45ca]

Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

No.



Neither does Pao.

[Creature]

I've always read atp as adenosine triphosphate

Just finished up a biochemistry test today. I'm so tired of hearing ATP, ADP, NADH, FADH2 and Acetyl-CoA.

[Sloonei]

Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

I have had moments of hesitation

when?

[Creature]

I think I'm tanking in biochemistry which is a shame because the subject really interested me.

[LinearPoint]

Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

I think I've been so flipfloppy that it'd be hard for me to replicate this as wolf. Usually I'm a lot less paranoid and wishy-washy as wolf.

But the way you say this makes it sound like you're being intentional with it if you know that flipfloppy is hard to do as Mafia.
Also not really, Mafia have to change reads a lot to account for new information and scum flipping.
It's kind of a trait that is universal and can be of any alignment. You just seem to be doing it in a more deliberate way to avoid clearing as many people as you can from your PoE.

[Creature]

What do you all think of DrWilgy btw?

[falcon45ca]

I've always read atp as adenosine triphosphate

Just finished up a biochemistry test today. I'm so tired of hearing ATP, ADP, NADH, FADH2 and Acetyl-CoA.

You use it all the time in the real world too

[LinearPoint]

While yes, OK. Neeko will admit its possible to misclear people and be wrong. it's better to misclear 1 Mafia and PoE the last 2 than to PoE literally everyone.
If a Mafia gets miscleared or something it'll probably out them eventualyl just from the fact no one is killing them.

[Sloonei]

What do you all think of DrWilgy btw?

He has been absent for this entire phase.

[Creature]

Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

I think I've been so flipfloppy that it'd be hard for me to replicate this as wolf. Usually I'm a lot less paranoid and wishy-washy as wolf.

But the way you say this makes it sound like you're being intentional with it if you know that flipfloppy is hard to do as Mafia.
Also not really, Mafia have to change reads a lot to account for new information and scum flipping.
It's kind of a trait that is universal and can be of any alignment. You just seem to be doing it in a more deliberate way to avoid clearing as many people as you can from your PoE.

I know, but it's hard to make it natural. There were points in this game I literally just grabbed anything and threw into the thread trying to make sense, like that time I tried to read into the wagons when we had like 8 votes to select our 8 lynch options D2. Of course I could change reads as wolf, but it's really hard to show all the thought process behind the changing.

[falcon45ca]

What do you all think of DrWilgy btw?

The man prolly doesn't have a GED, let alone a PhD

[Creature]

While yes, OK. Neeko will admit its possible to misclear people and be wrong. it's better to misclear 1 Mafia and PoE the last 2 than to PoE literally everyone.
If a Mafia gets miscleared or something it'll probably out them eventualyl just from the fact no one is killing them.

I only want to find one single wolf today. Of course that's still gonna leave us two wolves around, but I really want to make sure we don't mislynch and bring us way too close to parity the next day.

[LinearPoint]

Mac has so far been the only mafia flipped that has pushed Wilgy.
But most of Wilgy's wagonis still alive: sabie12, dyachei, falcon45ca, Paopan, LinearPoint, Creature, alexa

[Creature]

Finding one wolf at a time is a good philosophy. The only downside is being killed earlier and having to watch the remaining town (those who wolves probably desired alive) fail to find the remaining wolves (those who weren't as obvious wolves at first).

[Justplayingitcool]

Does Creature feel town to anyone at this moment?

I have had moments of hesitation

when?

The below post and subsequent treatment of LP was the first moment I had *some* hesitation.

LinearPoint - Dependent on alexa's alignment

how so? Don't really see how protecting a Town or protecting a Mafia are different.
All it would mean if Alexa flips Mafia would be that she lied about being shot by mafia.

imo if alexa flips town you're likely town and if alexa flips wolf you're likely wolf.

Still don't really see why.
It's like saying if Doctor accidentally healed a Mafia being shot by a Vig N1 the Doctor has to be Mafia.

I think your claim comes as pretty convenient to "clear" alexa.

[LinearPoint]

Mac has so far been the only mafia flipped that has pushed Wilgy.
But most of Wilgy's wagonis still alive: sabie12, dyachei, falcon45ca, Paopan, LinearPoint, Creature, alexa

Neeko accidetnly posted before she could finish the thought.
It does look like Mafia were trying to avoid lynching Wilgy D1 and D2 Wigly had those people on them for the top 8 vote.
Of those who were in the top 8 Mac stopped voting Wilgy, but TSP did start to vote Wilgy.
So Wilgy is probably Town from having Mac and TSP pushing them.

[Creature]

I think I'm fine lynching any of DrWilgy/Paopan today. Could maybe be pressured into voting sabie12 too. Could also vote illario if we want to play safe because at least we know they aren't flipping town.

[Justplayingitcool]

creature have you ever top posted as a wolf before

[Belzy]

Mac has so far been the only mafia flipped that has pushed Wilgy.
But most of Wilgy's wagonis still alive: sabie12, dyachei, falcon45ca, Paopan, LinearPoint, Creature, alexa

Mac seems like someone distancing.

[Creature]

I would accept being mislynched but I'm way too afraid my mislynch is the enough for wolves to win the game tonight.

[LinearPoint]

Wilgy was also the first to vote TSP and Neeko thinks it was before Flacon even claimed the red was on TSP.