Pandas vs Trash Pandas [Day 7]

[Dyslexicon]

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Is this why you asked him if he was a doctor directly?

[fingersplints]

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

I don’t understand the distinction you are making here. Isn’t “claiming a town role” basically the same as just saying you are town this game

[Urist]

I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Scum won by shooting nutella on n7 so clearly it didn't work lol
I don't think you came up with a system in the last game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

I don’t understand the distinction you are making here. Isn’t “claiming a town role” basically the same as just saying you are town this game

You are right, which is why I'm not sure if falcon's weirdly specific meta applies here or not.

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Is this why you asked him if he was a doctor directly?

Yes.

People who have truth metas should be met with claim prompts asap imo.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Scum won by shooting nutella on n7 so clearly it didn't work lol
I don't think you came up with a system in the last game.

I mean they won because town misyeeted almost every time. They were going to hit nutella sooner or later, it was just a matter of making town use all their resources.

Iirc maybe nutella could have survived a day longer depending on luck, but at that point, it was mainly on town for letting the situation get that risky to begin with.

So yeah we don't win this game just by keeping nanook alive, we have to take down mafia before they kill all our doctors.

[Urist]

Rethinking this. It might not be worth trying to save anyone other than Nanook. In terms of actual value gained by saving other people, we would need 3 successful saves in order to increase our number of miselims from two to three.

Given this, I'm tempted to say we should just do the d3 method because it's prob the only one everyone will be able to understand.

[Creature]

Rethinking this. It might not be worth trying to save anyone other than Nanook. In terms of actual value gained by saving other people, we would need 3 successful saves in order to increase our number of miselims from two to three.

Given this, I'm tempted to say we should just do the d3 method because it's prob the only one everyone will be able to understand.

I hope NANOOK is a good wolf hunter then.

11 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 10 v 4 --> Odd-night nightkill --> 9 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 8 v 4 --> Even-night nightkills --> 6 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 5 v 4 --> Odd-night nightkill --> 4 v 4

I think it's gonna be extremely hard for town to win if all nightkills succeed.

[fingersplints]

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

I don’t understand the distinction you are making here. Isn’t “claiming a town role” basically the same as just saying you are town this game

You are right, which is why I'm not sure if falcon's weirdly specific meta applies here or not.

So why should falcon “be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town”?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways this game is literally up to me to solve so like

Antagonizing me and refusing to cooperate isn't gonna help things

Literally just asking you to be a team player

I strongly recommend you don't attempt to solve it by yourself and just follow whatever the majority is saying unless you have REALLY strong reasons not to.

Otherwise odds are you are joining nutella in the "traumatized by this setup" spec chat next time.

I'm gonna pick and choose your guys' reads i think are correct and ignore the ones I dont

The same as any game

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

I don't think a game where every town has the same role makes it a fake claim any more than saying "I'm VT" in a normal game does

[NotAnAxehole]

I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Scum won by shooting nutella on n7 so clearly it didn't work lol
I don't think you came up with a system in the last game.

This is surprising, if scum play well, they should be able to narrow town down to having no shots by N5 or N6 in a targeting strategy.

[sig]

Alternatively we can nominate one player (on odd nights) or two players (on even nights) to protect NANOOK and everybody else rands their shots incase the nominated players happen to be wolves.

I like this plan maybe increase it by 1 just in case someone misses night action or mafia have some hidden block?

[Creature]

Alternatively we can nominate one player (on odd nights) or two players (on even nights) to protect NANOOK and everybody else rands their shots incase the nominated players happen to be wolves.

I like this plan maybe increase it by 1 just in case someone misses night action or mafia have some hidden block?

Trash pandas don't have a block assuming the setup is open.

Worst risk is we nominate a trash panda to protect NANOOK, in which case we'll rely on our randing.

[Michelle]

I am not a mechanical player and if this game turns out to be a game of maths and probabilities then I will follow the plan approved by Nanook

[sig]

Also I totally should’ve read the rules before starting since lol wtf is this.

But also oof so glad I’m not the red panda we’d be dead by like day 3 somehow

Also also, is it accurate to say if we don’t use our actions it’s randed? If so wouldn’t it make the most sense for only like 3 ppl to target nanook and nobody else does anything so it’s totally random

[Michelle]

Rethinking this. It might not be worth trying to save anyone other than Nanook. In terms of actual value gained by saving other people, we would need 3 successful saves in order to increase our number of miselims from two to three.

Given this, I'm tempted to say we should just do the d3 method because it's prob the only one everyone will be able to understand.

I hope NANOOK is a good wolf hunter then.

11 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 10 v 4 --> Odd-night nightkill --> 9 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 8 v 4 --> Even-night nightkills --> 6 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 5 v 4 --> Odd-night nightkill --> 4 v 4

I think it's gonna be extremely hard for town to win if all nightkills succeed.

Nanook is a good wolf hunter

This is the worst case scenario and I doubt it will be like this, so we should do this every day depending on the flips to check the gamestate.

I think defending Nanook and scumhunting in the classic way should bring us the win

[Michelle]

Also I totally should’ve read the rules before starting since lol wtf is this.

But also oof so glad I’m not the red panda we’d be dead by like day 3 somehow

Also also, is it accurate to say if we don’t use our actions it’s randed? If so wouldn’t it make the most sense for only like 3 ppl to target nanook and nobody else does anything so it’s totally random

From what I read we don't have to use our action each night, correct me if I am wrong, but I understand we can holster and keep our shots

[Guillotine]

::shrug:: I don't believe anything is sustainable, and nothing I presented is original, so it doesn't hurt my feelings. Basically, I'll go with whatever plan we all determine is our best shot if it keeps me from having to think about more math. :P

This is a mood. Im not good at math, im good at hunting scum, if i knew this was gonna become an statistics game i probably wouldnt have signed up, but i was foolish when i read playerlist instead of OP.

When you guys are done doing math, let me know, im a day 1 scum finder specialist.

[Guillotine]

Im telling you right now, i aint attempting to save anyone in this game but myself, i believes in flips over saves.

Are people gonna have to spend another 2 rl weeks begging you to read the rules post

Do I know you?

[Marmot]

I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

We let you win last time I believe

[Marmot]

I get the sense that people are unnecessarily provoking guillo, and I'd prefer if they didn't do that.

[Guillotine]

Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

[Dyslexicon]

I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Scum won by shooting nutella on n7 so clearly it didn't work lol
I don't think you came up with a system in the last game.

Because scum wasn’t shot.
I had all 4 scum in a PoE of 5 on day 0 that game. It was stupid. Buuut anyway.

Dice roll + conservative extra protection is my vote. Ensures safety for Nook, doesn’t give too much away.

[Marmot]

I'm good at math, but too lazy to go over the formula, so I'll just trust it for now.

I do think nanook should shoot DDL today

[Dyslexicon]

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

I don’t understand the distinction you are making here. Isn’t “claiming a town role” basically the same as just saying you are town this game

You are right, which is why I'm not sure if falcon's weirdly specific meta applies here or not.

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Is this why you asked him if he was a doctor directly?

Yes.

People who have truth metas should be met with claim prompts asap imo.

Ok. I like that intention.

[Guillotine]

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

And?

[Dyslexicon]

Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

So who’s scum?

[Marmot]

Why DDL?

His opening posts were somewhat pandery (no pun intended), and his most recent sarcastic post towards Guillo seemed kinda out of left field, but it's something that a couple other people had done earlier in the day in some capacity, and to me felt like it was an attempt to feed off that chaos.

[Marmot]

Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

So who’s scum?

Hally scum

[NotAnAxehole]

I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

Scum won by shooting nutella on n7 so clearly it didn't work lol
I don't think you came up with a system in the last game.

Because scum wasn’t shot.
I had all 4 scum in a PoE of 5 on day 0 that game. It was stupid. Buuut anyway.

Dice roll + conservative extra protection is my vote. Ensures safety for Nook, doesn’t give too much away.

Conservative extra protection hurts our chances because it reduces the probability of extending the game.

Extra saves increase our standard deviation (we need exactly 3 saves in order for saves to be optimal) - Saves early in the game are more valuable than saves later in the game because you get better value on the save you used, and it reduces the probability each player needs to save at night.

So for saving:

- Prioritize Nanook saves
- If you roll No Save, you can choose to save another player but consider the three following points
- 3 saves required to make a difference
- prioritize saves on even nights
- prioritize saves following a miss-elim
- prioritize saves early in the game

This should allow for the go-getters to have some room to play the game, while still fitting into a mechanical box. I don't know how to calculate the probability of hitting enough saves to make a difference, there are too many variables for my limited knowledge of statistics.

[Marmot]

Is double-targeting allowed?

[Guillotine]

This game has a limited post count.

Some people are burning their whole limit talking about mech and later on they will be able to use that as an excuse not to scumhunt.

I'd kill one of the people doing that. [VOTE: NAA] aubergine

As for the mech, here are my two cents.

Nanook needs to be protected 24/7. I think the safe number is 5 docs on odd days and 6 docs on even days. We can do a little less if we think the entire mafia won't get on the doctor block. Maybe 4 and 5. I'll volunteer for the doctor block today if nobody else will, but we should rotate.

Everyone else should protect conservatively, so we don't waste our protects early. Do not announce whether you are protecting or not, and who. Just do what you feel like and be cautious.

Why do we need all of those docs on days if the kills are in the night? Also as far I understand, mafia has double KP on even nights, so we just need three docs on even nights and ine doc protecting each of those three docs. We decide who the three docs are on Nanook and the other docs may randomly decide who of the three docs they save?

I dont understand why nanook needs more than 3 per night?

[NotAnAxehole]

Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

[NotAnAxehole]

After that no more mechanical discussion all game - just follow the night plan & play mafia.

[Guillotine]

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

Falcon says he's town when he's mafia as well.

I don't know or care about the role claims.

I don't really think he's suspicious, but he doesn't have a "I'm town" truth tell.

I don't care if you don't care.

This game has no vanilla town roles. Falcon said he doesn't fake claim roles. He claimed a town role. So unless we believe his previous statement about having that meta was a lie, falcon should be treated as confirmed or nearly confirmed town.

I'm not saying falcon has a "no lie" meta. I'm saying he has a "no fake claim" meta. Those metas exist, I've met people with them in other sites before.

Why would you take Falcon’s word for it?
This looks like a wolf with TMI with a pocket attempt on Falcon.

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

[Creature]

I think Marmot and sig can be town too

So I have for town:

falcon45ca
Marmot
sig
Urist

That leaves:

Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
fingersplints
Guillotine
hollowkatt
Michelle
NotAnAxehole
Spacedaisy

[Guillotine]

Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

Do we get informed if our saves are successful?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I get the sense that people are unnecessarily provoking guillo, and I'd prefer if they didn't do that.

Which people?

[NotAnAxehole]

Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

Do we get informed if our saves are successful?

Not to my knowledge - we will only know that there was a save or not based on KP.

https://rollthedice.online/en/cdice/1d100

^ Everyone should go here and roll 1d100 for each panda count (odd nights) and each panda count (even nights) If you roll below the threshold, you no save. If you roll above the threshold you save. If you roll everything in advance as I did, you can start to form an idea of whether or not you have saves to spare.

I already posted the values to pass... If @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME is in agreement, then I think we should proceed to prevent/minimize mishaps.

[Guillotine]

Also I totally should’ve read the rules before starting since lol wtf is this.

But also oof so glad I’m not the red panda we’d be dead by like day 3 somehow

Also also, is it accurate to say if we don’t use our actions it’s randed? If so wouldn’t it make the most sense for only like 3 ppl to target nanook and nobody else does anything so it’s totally random

I like this post

[Urist]

Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

what dice are we rolling?

[Marmot]

I get the sense that people are unnecessarily provoking guillo, and I'd prefer if they didn't do that.

Which people?

Hk wad the first one to do it, DDL did it more recently.

I think they weren't the only ones but I forget who else did it

[NotAnAxehole]

Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

what dice are we rolling?

I think this is fine, it's pretty much in line with the probability you came up with, but mine is a bit more conservative

Odd Nights
Panda % No Save % Save
10 0.666666667 0.333333333
9 0.633333333 0.366666667
8 0.6 0.4
7 0.55 0.45
6 0.5 0.5
5 0.45 0.55
4 0.35 0.65
3 0.25 0.75
2 0.15 0.85

Even Nights
Panda % No Save % Save
9 0.6 0.4
8 0.55 0.45
7 0.5 0.5
6 0.45 0.55
5 0.35 0.65
4 0.25 0.75
3 0.1 0.9
2 0 1

[Guillotine]

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[Link] A Syndicate Mafia Culture of Respect

- 48/24 - closed nights.

- This game is divided into day phases and night phases. Day phases are when the Red Panda makes their choice of who to capture and release back into the wild. They must send a target to the host within 48 hours, or I will pick it at random. They cannot make a final choice BEFORE 24hrs of the day has passed but can pick at any time after that. Day ends (as it would a hammer) once they have chosen their target.

- Night phases are when the Giant Pandas and Trash Pandas send their actions. Actions will be accepted 23 hours after the end of day write-up is posted. No night posting in the thread. The Trash Pandas will have a 24/7 BTSC chat available to them. No one else will have BTSC.

- There will be a poll for voting on players to help Red Panda decide on a target, but it will have no effect on actual target of each day's yeet, and is used just to help organize the discussion. Voting in it is not mandatory!

- You must post at least 5 times per day phase and a maximum of 70 posts per day phase. Failure to post at least 5 times will be considered inactivity. If you are inactive on two different days, I may modkill you. No replacements will happen in this game.

- Double targeting is allowed.

- Do not engage in angle-shooting, which means using information from outside of the game to obtain advantage in it. That includes, but is not limited to, making bets or oaths in real life or posting screenshots to prove anything. I will modkill players who try break this rule to influence the outcome of the game.

- This is what the Giant Panda role card looks like:

Spoiler: show

You are a Giant Panda.

You are a member of town. You win the game when you eliminate the Trash Pandas.

Once per night, you may protect one player from a single Trash Panda kill.

You have 4 shots of protection to use.

You can protect yourself, but only once in the game.

- anyone engaging in excessive AtE will be modkilled. Let's keep it competitive but friendly and healthy. Contact your mods Syn and sabie if you have any frustrations with the game or other players.

[Urist]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

Odd Nights

Code: Select all

# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
10                   66
9                    63
8                    60
7                    55
6                    50
5                    45
4                    33
3                    25
2                    15

Even Nights

Code: Select all

# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
9                    60
8                    55
7                    50
6                    45
5                    35
4                    25
3                    10
2                    1

[falcon45ca]

Would everyone be ok with pre-rolling their saves/no saves? What I mean by this is, privately roll & note down whether or not you're saving Nanook at each Panda count so that we can answer any how to questions during the day and nobody is stuck thinking about this at night.

Also, it allows people to start privately forming ideas of what they're going to do with their saves... We can even probably set objectives like "if you have more than 3 saves by day 3, you should use one randomly... Etc... That way we can communicate all of the mech during the day, all calculated - none revealed. Don't soft claim, don't hard claim.

what dice are we rolling?

I think this is fine, it's pretty much in line with the probability you came up with, but mine is a bit more conservative

Odd Nights
Panda % No Save % Save
10 0.666666667 0.333333333
9 0.633333333 0.366666667
8 0.6 0.4
7 0.55 0.45
6 0.5 0.5
5 0.45 0.55
4 0.35 0.65
3 0.25 0.75
2 0.15 0.85

Even Nights
Panda % No Save % Save
9 0.6 0.4
8 0.55 0.45
7 0.5 0.5
6 0.45 0.55
5 0.35 0.65
4 0.25 0.75
3 0.1 0.9
2 0 1

[Guillotine]

Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

So who’s scum?

HK and DDL are in my PoE.

[Guillotine]

Why are you so adamant about not cooperating and doing what you want, when you don't seem to understand the basics of the setup in the first place?

Because im better at playing mafia than playing math, the moment i saw this becoming a math game i got bored.

Im still bored.

So who’s scum?

HK and DDL are in my PoE.

Well “PoE”, because if history ever taught me something is that Nanook will never listen to me, he decides the elimination so yah, im gonna pretend like im an spectator that can post and save him or myself at night.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

Odd Nights

Code: Select all

# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
10                   66
9                    63
8                    60
7                    55
6                    50
5                    45
4                    33
3                    25
2                    15

Even Nights

Code: Select all

# of Living Pandas   Save if you roll at least this number
9                    60
8                    55
7                    50
6                    45
5                    35
4                    25
3                    10
2                    1

Cosigning

[hollowkatt]

I have no idea how the math works out, I failed math many times, but I'm all in on the plan and the tables Urist created/nanook quoted make sense to me and that I can follow.

also guillo is wolf reading me b/c he can't help himself. It's cool though, I'm a good doobie and I'll follow the plan.