Pandas vs Trash Pandas [Day 7]

[Creature]

I think if there are only 2 living giant pandas you always save NANOOK if you have any save left.

[falcon45ca]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Do we claim what we roll so we know who's on Nook? I'm not a big mech play guy

[hollowkatt]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Do we claim what we roll so we know who's on Nook? I'm not a big mech play guy

I think that makes sense yeah

[Urist]

No. No claims ever.
If you tell the truth then the mafia can kill the people who haven't saved yet.
If you lie you're liable to be miseliminated for it and it doesn't help town anyway.

[Creature]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Do we claim what we roll so we know who's on Nook? I'm not a big mech play guy

I think we shouldn't so wolves can't count how many saves we used.

[Urist]

Also, if nobody rolls high enough to protect nanook then letting scum know that would be

G A M E T H R O W I N G

[Creature]

No. No claims ever.
If you tell the truth then the mafia can kill the people who haven't saved yet.
If you lie you're liable to be miseliminated for it and it doesn't help town anyway.

Lying/bluffing shouldn't be a problem. We should just treat this game as a vanilla game and wolf hunt normally instead of trying to read save targets.

[Creature]

How are we doing non-NANOOK saves by the way?

[hollowkatt]

creature has the right of this btw. Yes there's mech to be concerned with but more importantly there's trash pandas to find and eliminate and while we're mostly talking about mech we do need to start figuring out how to talk about alignments.

[hollowkatt]

I'm struggling to figure out how to talk about alignments though

[Creature]

The easiest thing for wolves to do is to talk about mech. It's a little sad we focused so much on mech talking and couldn't even have a proper game start to have an idea of where to go.

[Creature]

I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

[Guillotine]

How are we doing non-NANOOK saves by the way?

I'm not saving anyone but Nanook or myself!








Except the night I change my mind and save someone I townread.

That is how we should go about those saves.

[Guillotine]

I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

mech talker? I've only talk about mech briefly.. I think I'm the only that is scum hunting here.

[NotAnAxehole]

I think if there are only 2 living giant pandas you always save NANOOK if you have any save left.

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Do we claim what we roll so we know who's on Nook? I'm not a big mech play guy

No

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Do we claim what we roll so we know who's on Nook? I'm not a big mech play guy

I think that makes sense yeah

No

How are we doing non-NANOOK saves by the way?

Everybody knows approximately when they'll be needed to save Nanook if they rand their saves for the entire game now, therefore people should only throw saves away if they KNOW that they will be able to fulfill their primary wincondition... And preference for throwing saves away on even numbered days... But leave it up to the individual, no need to discuss it, never claim a save.

[falcon45ca]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Do we claim what we roll so we know who's on Nook? I'm not a big mech play guy

I think we shouldn't so wolves can't count how many saves we used.

Ah, good call

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Cosigning

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, I think Creature is mafia... We'll see how that read progresses.

[fingersplints]

I think DDL is most suspicious so far today, for his comments in regards to falcon. It very much reads like maf throwing out some early confirmed town reads.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

[fingersplints]

Also just to confirm, I have read and I think I understand the save plan for nights.

[Urist]

kill one of the people who were complaining about math being hard and you'll prob hit mafia

[fingersplints]

The easiest thing for wolves to do is to talk about mech. It's a little sad we focused so much on mech talking and couldn't even have a proper game start to have an idea of where to go.

While I think mafia could hide behind mech talk, I also think it’s a bit early to call this not a proper start. We still have an entire day left of this phase so lots of time to talk and scum hunt. The plan needed to be settled so I’m glad it’s out of the way and we can focus now.

[Spacedaisy]

The easiest thing for wolves to do is to talk about mech. It's a little sad we focused so much on mech talking and couldn't even have a proper game start to have an idea of where to go.

Interesting sentiment since like 19 or so of your 29 posts in thread were about mech.

[DrWilgy]

Hello. Am doctor. Am Panda Doctor. Am DrWilgy. Most definitely.

[DrWilgy]

Nanook is Red Trash Panda. Nanook yeet Nanook.

[Spacedaisy]

kill one of the people who were complaining about math being hard and you'll prob hit mafia

Complaining about not being good at math doesn’t make me mafia. It’s not like I was saying don’t do math. I was saying I hate math so someone else do it. I’m of the opinion (and have been from the start) that locking in on a plan of action as early as possible that gives us the best chance of keeping nook safe. Do we sacrifice some scum hunting time in the process? Maybe, but I think there has already been some interesting stuff said.

[Spacedaisy]

I’m about to be driving eleven hours for the day to head to Florida. So I won’t be posting much after I leave in like an hour until I reach the hotel.

[hollowkatt]

I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

I don't remember why I felt good about dizzy but I did. People seem to want to pile on dragon and meh I'm not sure I care about dragon.

[Guillotine]

I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

I don't remember why I felt good about dizzy but I did. People seem to want to pile on dragon and meh I'm not sure I care about dragon.

Why don't you care about Dragon?

How about Michelle? She only has four posts, that means she is scum.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

[hollowkatt]

I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

I don't remember why I felt good about dizzy but I did. People seem to want to pile on dragon and meh I'm not sure I care about dragon.

Why don't you care about Dragon?

How about Michelle? She only has four posts, that means she is scum.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

I meant that as I don't care if dragon dies, I don't have a town read there.

Michelle I think is probs fine? Like yes, only 4 posts, but none of them are bad, they exist.
Her saying she's not great with mech/math is accurate for her and following the plan is something everyone says they're going to do b/c you have to in games like this so really you've got to read her on tone and intent.

I like both of these posts:

Also I totally should’ve read the rules before starting since lol wtf is this.

But also oof so glad I’m not the red panda we’d be dead by like day 3 somehow

Also also, is it accurate to say if we don’t use our actions it’s randed? If so wouldn’t it make the most sense for only like 3 ppl to target nanook and nobody else does anything so it’s totally random

From what I read we don't have to use our action each night, correct me if I am wrong, but I understand we can holster and keep our shots

Rethinking this. It might not be worth trying to save anyone other than Nanook. In terms of actual value gained by saving other people, we would need 3 successful saves in order to increase our number of miselims from two to three.

Given this, I'm tempted to say we should just do the d3 method because it's prob the only one everyone will be able to understand.

I hope NANOOK is a good wolf hunter then.

11 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 10 v 4 --> Odd-night nightkill --> 9 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 8 v 4 --> Even-night nightkills --> 6 v 4 --> Mislynch --> 5 v 4 --> Odd-night nightkill --> 4 v 4

I think it's gonna be extremely hard for town to win if all nightkills succeed.

Nanook is a good wolf hunter

This is the worst case scenario and I doubt it will be like this, so we should do this every day depending on the flips to check the gamestate.

I think defending Nanook and scumhunting in the classic way should bring us the win

like ok, I play and host a LOT of secret hitler, which is very similar to this type of setup. You've got a team with knowledge and you've got a team with numbers.

The team with numbers wins by keeping the team with knowledge out of the pool of government. We've already accomplished that with having a Red Panda to lead us. We aren't making decisions at the end of the day other than where and when to protect. It's not on us specifically to "remove" another player from the game.

In SH you also don't get to remove, you have to use social/thread pressure to freeze the badguys out of the game.

Where it differs is that we aren't voting on governments here so there's no real track record of who's onboard with things or not, but what we do have is semi-traditional wolf hunting. We've started that already with potential wagons on DDL, Michelle, and NAA.

Now that there's some votes cast we can talk about those votes, see who's onboard and who's not, and why, and go from there. eventually this will give us a pool not only to remove from, but also to not worry about protecting, which allows us to focus our protections better on those who are going to need it.

My point here is this: It's smart for both teams to at least appear to be in step with The Plan so we can't scum hunt by looking at people who are opposed to the plan. What we have to do is look at tonally how they're supporting the plan, who appears to be approaching things straight vs with agenda, and that kind of thing.

Like most games today is a crap shoot but tomorrow we'll have knowledge on who defended the removed player should they be a raccoon, or who was pushing them should they be a giant panda.

tl;dr I think michelle is fine for now even at low posting.

[Guillotine]

We aren't making decisions at the end of the day other than where and when to protect. It's not on us specifically to "remove" another player from the game.

I keep forgetting that my vote is worth a damn in this game and that the only thing that wolves have to do in this game is to pocket Nanook and doc dodge every night.

But I think Michelle is in her wolf meta, how long has it been since the game started? 20 hours? with only 4 posts? Michelle has a post volume wolf tell, I remember I had to bus her for it in Spider-verse because others knew about it and knew I knew about it and I would look suspicious if I didn't bring it up. It's how Mac and I keep catching her at Mafia Universe. I think Nanook knows about this too but knowing him, he will probably let her live just because I'm sussing her but mark my words, I host a lot for her and her town meta vs her wolf meta difference is that STARK!

[Guillotine]

This game is so dead.. I will be back later. Don't mind me if I leave my vote park on Michelle, is not like it is a threat if she is scum anyways.

[Dyslexicon]

Alternatively we can nominate one player (on odd nights) or two players (on even nights) to protect NANOOK and everybody else rands their shots incase the nominated players happen to be wolves.

I like this plan maybe increase it by 1 just in case someone misses night action or mafia have some hidden block?

Trash pandas don't have a block assuming the setup is open.

Worst risk is we nominate a trash panda to protect NANOOK, in which case we'll rely on our randing.

Wording that pings me. It just feels wrong. Might be wrong, but I want to be right.

Im telling you right now, i aint attempting to save anyone in this game but myself, i believes in flips over saves.

Are people gonna have to spend another 2 rl weeks begging you to read the rules post

Do I know you?

I don’t remember what we did mech wise last time, but I think it worked-ish. Except Nut shot the wrong people.

I think maybe we coordinated enough to have the shooter covered, and then could rogue protect likely other targets of it felt necessary.

We let you win last time I believe

No. But we would have if I had the gun.

Falcon told me last game he never lies about his role claims.

And?

Distance part II

I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

Why me?

I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

I don't remember why I felt good about dizzy but I did. People seem to want to pile on dragon and meh I'm not sure I care about dragon.

Why me to this too tbh lol

[Michelle]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Cosigning

What means 1d100?

[Urist]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Cosigning

What means 1d100?

https://rolladie.net/#!numbers=1&high=1 ... only=false

[Dyslexicon]

DDL and Guillo trying to distance, and it's very cute.

@Guillotine What role did you think Nanook had when you started the game? You seemed confused about the mechanics, though I don't understand how.

I also want to tunnel Creature. I just want to. I had the idea that he didn't care as much about the mech stuff and really wanting to find the best plan for town, which I perceived HK and NAA to be doing at the very beginning of the game. When I read it again, meh, might've imagined that. But I still find his wording SUSPICIOUS. This might be dumb, but if he's mafia, I'm a genius.

These might be bad takes, but good thing is that we can always blame Nook if things goes to shits.

[hollowkatt]

I'm probably looking at Dragon + Dyslexicon + one of the mech talkers (NAA/HK/Guillo/maybe Urist).

I don't remember why I felt good about dizzy but I did. People seem to want to pile on dragon and meh I'm not sure I care about dragon.

Why me to this too tbh lol

Your posts are round like a panda

[Dyslexicon]

I'll do the dice roll thing as well. I'll do it every day though, depending on numbers. And I won't claim protects, of course.

Also, yes. Other saves should be used extremely conservatively.

[Dyslexicon]

Your posts are round like a panda

Doesn't make sense to me. But no read on me D1 makes sense to me ever.

[Dyslexicon]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It probably behooves us to let people who are generally read well/decent by others get more in the game. Maybe.

[Dyslexicon]

2 mischops only feels unfair tbh. I think I felt the same last game lol.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It probably behooves us to let people who are generally read well/decent by others get more in the game. Maybe.

[hollowkatt]

Your posts are round like a panda

Doesn't make sense to me. But no read on me D1 makes sense to me ever.

I'll try to articulate then.
You have a tendency D1 to be fluffy and go with the flow regardless of what you rand, but more so when you're not town. Not because you're bad at trying to fit in and get things going as a wolf, you're a scary wolf, but because it's an easy way for you to blend with the crowd and scrape a few town reads.

When you're town you're more focused on what's going on because I feel it's important to you. Your early posts here were more focused than fluffy and there is a tone in them that seems pure to me. You have an early post talking about several different people that doesn't feel faked, and your next post, where you discuss mech, you conclude with a reminder that we need to find the trash pandas when most people were content to let their mech posts stand as is. You're reminding us that there's a team of baddies that we do need to find.

If you're a trash panda here there's no reason you need to add that last little coda to your post, you can just talk about mech like most everyone else was doing.

I dunno, that's a long winded way of saying "I think you're town because reading your posts makes me feel good about you" as opposed to "I think you're a trash panda because reading your posts makes me concerned about you"

HOpe that helps

[Dyslexicon]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME It probably behooves us to let people who are generally read well/decent by others get more in the game. Maybe.

I didn't mean don't shoot at the 24 hour point. I don't mind that. But if it was me, I probably wouldn't shoot in the pool I think I could read well over time, unless I already had a formed read on them. THAT'S JUST ME THO. Obviously, you're going to do what you want. But I will still have opinions. And judge you. =p

[Dyslexicon]

Your posts are round like a panda

Doesn't make sense to me. But no read on me D1 makes sense to me ever.

I'll try to articulate then.
You have a tendency D1 to be fluffy and go with the flow regardless of what you rand, but more so when you're not town. Not because you're bad at trying to fit in and get things going as a wolf, you're a scary wolf, but because it's an easy way for you to blend with the crowd and scrape a few town reads.

When you're town you're more focused on what's going on because I feel it's important to you. Your early posts here were more focused than fluffy and there is a tone in them that seems pure to me. You have an early post talking about several different people that doesn't feel faked, and your next post, where you discuss mech, you conclude with a reminder that we need to find the trash pandas when most people were content to let their mech posts stand as is. You're reminding us that there's a team of baddies that we do need to find.

If you're a trash panda here there's no reason you need to add that last little coda to your post, you can just talk about mech like most everyone else was doing.

I dunno, that's a long winded way of saying "I think you're town because reading your posts makes me feel good about you" as opposed to "I think you're a trash panda because reading your posts makes me concerned about you"

HOpe that helps

Yeah it's not a bad read.

I'm also not in a great mood today, so maybe that's some of what you are seeing.

But your reasons is pretty valid tbh.

[Dyslexicon]

But also, HK, you would 100 % buddy me as mafia here, cause you know I love that shit lol.

I like Juliets so far tbh. Her sass to Creature was good. Not really getting a ton of wow that's town reads otherwise tbh. Be more town, please. Like me.

[Michelle]

Alright so what we're doing is rolling 1d100, and if you get AT LEAST this high a number, you save Nanook:

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Cosigning

What means 1d100?

https://rolladie.net/#!numbers=1&high=1 ... only=false

Ok thanks!

[Dyslexicon]

@Creature Talk to me about why you're mafia and I'm not.

[hollowkatt]

But also, HK, you would 100 % buddy me as mafia here, cause you know I love that shit lol.

I like Juliets so far tbh. Her sass to Creature was good. Not really getting a ton of wow that's town reads otherwise tbh. Be more town, please. Like me.

yeah, and a post like this one is why I wouldn't. I can't always try the same tactic yeah?

[Guillotine]

DDL and Guillo trying to distance, and it's very cute.

@Guillotine What role did you think Nanook had when you started the game? You seemed confused about the mechanics, though I don't understand how.

I also want to tunnel Creature. I just want to. I had the idea that he didn't care as much about the mech stuff and really wanting to find the best plan for town, which I perceived HK and NAA to be doing at the very beginning of the game. When I read it again, meh, might've imagined that. But I still find his wording SUSPICIOUS. This might be dumb, but if he's mafia, I'm a genius.

These might be bad takes, but good thing is that we can always blame Nook if things goes to shits.

I read zero about the set up when i signed up for it. Zero when it begun.
I got the pm and i thought i randed doctor (and cursed the rand god for it) and then i proceeded to hard claim it as i usually hard claim random roles all the time, then others began posting and townreading me based on a dumbtell and there is when i realized that maybe i should read the OP. There is when i realized that i fucked up by signing up for a game that is not really mafia, that i'm being forced to let Nanook decide for me who is the chop and that on top of that, I have to protect him or we auto lose. And then all of that math talk… like, im here to play mafia… but im not and i still dont know what im supposed to do at night so im just gonna protect Nanook until i die cause that is simple enough
¯\\_(ツ)\_/¯

I signed up for this game cause of you and hk to be honest, i never miss a chance to play with both of you even though i cant read you both for shit lol. But i will never get better at reading you if i dont play with you often.