GAME OF CHAMPIONS 2021 Endgame (town and 3p win)

[Belzy]

Mac is creating doomsday narratives that don't exist.

yes

There is no world in which you can do anything but town read me that don't out you and you know it. Final warning.

The good thing is that if TSP is mafia, I do not believe you are partnered with him.

Why

Answer my question to you first.

@Belzy

TSP and Mac both unvoted me before the midday votes, which put TSP up for contention instead of me. TSP threw Mac under the bus by saying "Mac saved me". I think this means it is unlikely they are both mafia and feels unpartnery for that reason

Qfr

[LinearPoint]

It's also not even guarenteed to work since it fails randomly 50% of the time.
If Alexa lied about what she got so be it, Neeko doesn't have a way of verifying what she gave to her other than she claimed the item was a vest.

[Belzy]

I am ISOing Jpic rn.

So far, at Qfr, Jpic only voted for townies, I was never impressed with their reasons for it, as Jpic easily joins the easy wagons, trusted and followed Dizzy on Ender, but why? Defended Mac not being able be scum with TSP, I disagreed, see Qft, and Jpic was proven wrong.

[Belzy]

Final scum has to be Lp qnd Jpic.

We got too many reasons for others to be town. Lp is clearly connected to Alexa, and if you ISO Jpic you will see Jpic always defending scum by wrongly saying they cannot be teamed, and keeps voting for townies, just *trusting* the wrong person on the wrong wagon.

[Belzy]

If you read Jpic as town. ISO Jpic to find out what Jpic really has done, said and voted for.

[Belzy]

My role literally told me both Porscha and I are confirmed town, Dya is backup up Sabie as town, I don't think if I was in chat with two wolves we would kill Mac also, Sloonei as town is also plenty reasons, Creature too, Falcon too, it has to be Lp and Jpic and Jpic's voting pattern and defending scum qll the time is the evidence for that. Don't blindly townread Jpic based on town, that's a mistake. Read their actions.

[Belzy]

The game has to be solved now.

[Belzy]

My role literally told me both Porscha and I are confirmed town, Dya is backup up Sabie as town, I don't think if I was in chat with two wolves we would kill Mac also, Sloonei as town is also plenty reasons, Creature too, Falcon too, it has to be Lp and Jpic and Jpic's voting pattern and defending scum qll** the time is the evidence for that. Don't blindly townread Jpic based on town***, that's a mistake. Read their actions.

**all the time
***based on tone

[LinearPoint]

Final scum has to be Lp qnd Jpic.

We got too many reasons for others to be town. Lp is clearly connected to Alexa, and if you ISO Jpic you will see Jpic always defending scum by wrongly saying they cannot be teamed, and keeps voting for townies, just *trusting* the wrong person on the wrong wagon.

Not really but whatever Neeko doesn't really care anymore since no one else even wants to think logically for two seconds about Neeko's role.
Mafia probably can't win tonight anyways unless there is another rolecop check so not like it matters, but at least it'll be confirmed that Sloonie and JPIC are the Mafia.
There is just not other people that can be Mafia except for Dya or Sabie, but they are both fairly town from their actions even if neither has contributed to the day much.
Only real way we loose this is if Creature throws the end after the other 3 claimed players get souped since Neeko doubts he's been rolecopped.

[Belzy]

I am ISOing Jpic rn.

So far, at Qfr, Jpic only voted for townies, I was never impressed with their reasons for it, as Jpic easily joins the easy wagons, trusted and followed Dizzy on Ender, but why? Defended Mac not being able be scum with TSP, I disagreed, see Qft*, and Jpic was proven wrong.

*Qfr

[Belzy]

I have another late shift today, and tomorrow i see my friends and their new cat.

So I will post more tomorrow than today.

I will use this game day to corner Jpic as final scum with Lp.

[Belzy]

Final scum has to be Lp qnd Jpic.

We got too many reasons for others to be town. Lp is clearly connected to Alexa, and if you ISO Jpic you will see Jpic always defending scum by wrongly saying they cannot be teamed, and keeps voting for townies, just *trusting* the wrong person on the wrong wagon.

Not really but whatever Neeko doesn't really care anymore since no one else even wants to think logically for two seconds about Neeko's role.
Mafia probably can't win tonight anyways unless there is another rolecop check so not like it matters, but at least it'll be confirmed that Sloonie and JPIC are the Mafia.
There is just not other people that can be Mafia except for Dya or Sabie, but they are both fairly town from their actions even if neither has contributed to the day much.
Only real way we loose this is if Creature throws the end after the other 3 claimed players get souped since Neeko doubts he's been rolecopped.

If you are Neeko, then sorry Neeko, your end is near.

[Belzy]

Previous game day Porscha read Alexa as scum and even voted for her. I was upset and convinced Porscha to not vote Alexa. Alexa fooled me, especially with the 3 man chat. She literally sacrifised Mac for the town credits, and I bought them lol. They are both death now, so that is good.

[Belzy]

Previous game day Porscha read Alexa as scum and even voted for her. I was upset and convinced Porscha to not vote Alexa. Alexa fooled me, especially with the 3 man chat. She literally sacrifised Mac for the town credits, and I bought them lol. They are both death now, so that is good.

This was really my worst read of the game.

[LinearPoint]

OK nevemind Neeko redid the math and she has to actually try since she miscounted living players.
Still don’t really have the energy or motivation to make the case on Sloonie and JPIC tonight, but PoE says it has to be them, Dya, or Sabie and the last two have reason to not immediately sus them.
Neeko might be OK with being the mislynch that ends the game, but at least she can say she didn’t vig town like (almost) every vigilante. :P

OK. Will put more of an effort in tomorrow after Neeko sleeps and actually looks into the ISOs players more.

[LinearPoint]

Honestly the safest thing is Neeko almost picked Nutella night 1 and if it was a vest Nutella would have lived.

[LinearPoint]

Honestly the safest* thing is Neeko almost picked Nutella night 1 and if it was a vest Nutella would have lived.

*sadest

[LinearPoint]

Hmm. Neeko’s dyslexia gets a lot worse after 2 hours past midnight of programming.

[Justplayingitcool]

Final scum has to be Lp qnd Jpic.

We got too many reasons for others to be town. Lp is clearly connected to Alexa, and if you ISO Jpic you will see Jpic always defending scum by wrongly saying they cannot be teamed, and keeps voting for townies, just *trusting* the wrong person on the wrong wagon.

Look at my treatment to alexa and tell me with a straight face that was someone who had tmi

[Justplayingitcool]

I was out of my scum range days ago

[Justplayingitcool]

What you forget to mention is all the times i defended the villagers who were up on the chopping block

[Justplayingitcool]

Yeaj i was wrong an Alexa and Dizzy

Sue me

[Justplayingitcool]

The mac and tsp thing isn’t fair because it was strange from my perspective and would have been strange for anyone

[Justplayingitcool]

My recent games if you are interested in some light reading

Town:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... oner-21-er
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ionship%29

Mafia:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship

[Justplayingitcool]

oh everyone is gone

[Justplayingitcool]

I am ISOing Jpic rn.

So far, at Qfr, Jpic only voted for townies, I was never impressed with their reasons for it, as Jpic easily joins the easy wagons, trusted and followed Dizzy on Ender, but why? Defended Mac not being able be scum with TSP, I disagreed, see Qft, and Jpic was proven wrong.

I voted for TSP (before the red check)

[Justplayingitcool]

if you think im mafia with the way tsp, mac and alexa treated me this game then lol

[Justplayingitcool]

I am ISOing Jpic rn.

So far, at Qfr, Jpic only voted for townies, I was never impressed with their reasons for it, as Jpic easily joins the easy wagons, trusted and followed Dizzy on Ender, but why? Defended Mac not being able be scum with TSP, I disagreed, see Qft, and Jpic was proven wrong.

explained this many times

I townread dizzy, was EoD (literally 10 mins left in the day) and didn't have time to check Dizzy's case

[Justplayingitcool]

also, the four wagons all ended up being town. Why would I associate and link myself to dizzy like that so early in the game if I was mafia when I would have wanted to try and distance myself a bit more instead of going for a *suspicious* vote

[sabie12]

Now that we know alexa is mafia I'm looking back at the vig chat. She asked me what I thought of sloonei and kinda shaded him but then said it seemed like his game here is different than when he was wolf. She also made a comment about whether falcon is real if he would be checking mac and then falcon claimed a kill on mac. She was also pretty sure creature was town. I don't know how much can be read into all that but those were the notable take aways from that chat.

[Justplayingitcool]

From my PoV, sloonei’s only realistic partner was paopan and wilgy. They both flipped town.

[dyachei]

porscha, btsc = behind the scenes chat. it's a neighborhood chat that sabie and I have

[falcon45ca]

if you think im mafia with the way tsp, mac and alexa treated me this game then lol

Expand on this plz. Can you go over point form how you feel each of those player's treated your slot?

[falcon45ca]

Now that we know alexa is mafia I'm looking back at the vig chat. She asked me what I thought of sloonei and kinda shaded him but then said it seemed like his game here is different than when he was wolf. She also made a comment about whether falcon is real if he would be checking mac and then falcon claimed a kill on mac. She was also pretty sure creature was town. I don't know how much can be read into all that but those were the notable take aways from that chat.

I have concerns over Sloonei's slot.

[falcon45ca]

Did alexa outline what's different between Sloon's town v. wolf game?

[Justplayingitcool]

if you think im mafia with the way tsp, mac and alexa treated me this game then lol

Expand on this plz. Can you go over point form how you feel each of those player's treated your slot?

Just read their ISO and look at how they talk about me, but I'll briefly go over

TSP called me a save by Mac and tried to link me as scum with Mac

and then Mac tried to push me as scum with TSP because of the above and trying to tie me with TSP

can't remember what Alexa said about me but I think it's pretty clear from my posts that I lacked any sort of TMI on Alexa's slot.

[Justplayingitcool]

Mac saved jpic Mac saved jpic someone get him

this is tsp spewing jpic wolf and pre-empting me looking outed for saving him

like lol

[Justplayingitcool]

tsp spewed me town and jpic mafia at the same time imo

[falcon45ca]

alexa - likely to just be town for raisins
Belzy - mech on porscha
dyachei - killed marmot. town stock dramatically rose with ilario 3p claim
falcon45ca - outted TSP and confirmed radishes. Is just town for the P&G crap at day 3.
LinearPoint - gave vest to alexa. Likely town if alexa town
Porscha - mech on belzy

My POE is probably just this:

Creature
DrWilgy
ilario
Paopan
sabie12
Sloonei

Sloonei/creature are probably the towniest people in my PoE.

Pao is just outrageously scummy and if he is town then he's not doing a great job of showcasing his townie self. Day 2 votes look decent and the fact nobody is defending him gives me some pause. A wolf!pao heavily implies that sabie is a wolf as well.

and then DrWilgy exists as a slot. An enigma.

If there is a mafia outside of my PoE then I think we lose as we will never get there. Pao and Sabie feel like the most likely hits in my poe outside of Ilario who is a claimed 3p (they're never endgaming).

I'm going thru your ISO, and I'm having trouble seeing your progression on Sloon...you are SR him now, yes?





Found this....you give a total garbage "raisin" for TR Alexa, and LP I see is in the list for also less than ideal reasons.




How do you read LP now?




Creature, Wilgy, Ilario, Pao all town in your POE btw. Are sabie & Sloon teammates?

[Justplayingitcool]

alexa - likely to just be town for raisins
Belzy - mech on porscha
dyachei - killed marmot. town stock dramatically rose with ilario 3p claim
falcon45ca - outted TSP and confirmed radishes. Is just town for the P&G crap at day 3.
LinearPoint - gave vest to alexa. Likely town if alexa town
Porscha - mech on belzy

My POE is probably just this:

Creature
DrWilgy
ilario
Paopan
sabie12
Sloonei

Sloonei/creature are probably the towniest people in my PoE.

Pao is just outrageously scummy and if he is town then he's not doing a great job of showcasing his townie self. Day 2 votes look decent and the fact nobody is defending him gives me some pause. A wolf!pao heavily implies that sabie is a wolf as well.

and then DrWilgy exists as a slot. An enigma.

If there is a mafia outside of my PoE then I think we lose as we will never get there. Pao and Sabie feel like the most likely hits in my poe outside of Ilario who is a claimed 3p (they're never endgaming).

I'm going thru your ISO, and I'm having trouble seeing your progression on Sloon...you are SR him now, yes?





Found this....you give a total garbage "raisin" for TR Alexa, and LP I see is in the list for also less than ideal reasons.




How do you read LP now?




Creature, Wilgy, Ilario, Pao all town in your POE btw. Are sabie & Sloon teammates?

No, I townread Sloon. I just had him in my PoE because I still had mild paranoia. As I said earlier, his likely partners (wilgy and Pao) all flipped town.

The "raisin" reason was that I thought Alexa was town just for the modkill. I didn't want to go any further than that because I thought it was slightly angleshootey. Hence the brief 'raisin'.

My PoE at the time of that post was all based around the world that Alexa was town. Obviously with the mafia flip it changes a lot in my world.

tbh at the start of the day I thought LP could still be town because I thought the vest thing was unlikely partner. Then obviously you came in with the creature green check and that changed things and my PoE was too small that it was impossible not to include LP.

Like my PoE is now

Sloonei
sabie
LP

I wouldn't be shocked if the wolves are LP and sabie, and dya is the lost wolf (if there is one).

[Justplayingitcool]

Just putting it out there that if I was mafia I know what Alexa is going to flip after that modkill. I'm biased but my posts scream a lack of TMI and I think I would have tried to set myself in a more favourable position from the flip

[Sloonei]

Final scum has to be Lp qnd Jpic.

We got too many reasons for others to be town. Lp is clearly connected to Alexa, and if you ISO Jpic you will see Jpic always defending scum by wrongly saying they cannot be teamed, and keeps voting for townies, just *trusting* the wrong person on the wrong wagon.

Not really but whatever Neeko doesn't really care anymore since no one else even wants to think logically for two seconds about Neeko's role.
Mafia probably can't win tonight anyways unless there is another rolecop check so not like it matters, but at least it'll be confirmed that Sloonie and JPIC are the Mafia.
There is just not other people that can be Mafia except for Dya or Sabie, but they are both fairly town from their actions even if neither has contributed to the day much.
Only real way we loose this is if Creature throws the end after the other 3 claimed players get souped since Neeko doubts he's been rolecopped.

What illogical things are being said about your role?

[Sloonei]

If we are struggling to find a suspect after LinearPoint, let me suggest again that a lost wolf may exist in this game.

[Justplayingitcool]

If we are struggling to find a suspect after LinearPoint, let me suggest again that a lost wolf may exist in this game.

I'd be stunned if there is a lost wolf within the confirms (belzy/Porscha, Falcon and Creature). Dya is the only one who has mech who I could see being a likely candidate.

I guess Creature is possible if he shows up as good but then changes when all mafia are dead. but that seems doubtful

[Justplayingitcool]

if you think im mafia with the way tsp, mac and alexa treated me this game then lol

Expand on this plz. Can you go over point form how you feel each of those player's treated your slot?

Just read their ISO and look at how they talk about me, but I'll briefly go over

TSP called me a save by Mac and tried to link me as scum with Mac

and then Mac tried to push me as scum with TSP because of the above and trying to tie me with TSP

can't remember what Alexa said about me but I think it's pretty clear from my posts that I lacked any sort of TMI on Alexa's slot.

oh I remember now, Alexa accused me of having TMI on c4 after his flip to further slander my good name

Radish had me as top town in the PoE. He was a good vegetable

[Sloonei]

If we are struggling to find a suspect after LinearPoint, let me suggest again that a lost wolf may exist in this game.

I'd be stunned if there is a lost wolf within the confirms (belzy/Porscha, Falcon and Creature). Dya is the only one who has mech who I could see being a likely candidate.

I guess Creature is possible if he shows up as good but then changes when all mafia are dead. but that seems doubtful

You are the only person who makes sense as a lost wolf to me. Perhaps dya as well.

I assume I would be a candidate for people that aren't me.

[Sloonei]

That said, I still think we should spend the bulk of this day reaffirming our town reads. The next 24 hours are very busy for me, so I won't be much help. But I think it's wise to spend this time going over the players we've ruled out just in case we've missed anything. The last wolf may be hard to find, but if we lock everybody else in as town, there is nowhere to hide.

[Justplayingitcool]

If we are struggling to find a suspect after LinearPoint, let me suggest again that a lost wolf may exist in this game.

I'd be stunned if there is a lost wolf within the confirms (belzy/Porscha, Falcon and Creature). Dya is the only one who has mech who I could see being a likely candidate.

I guess Creature is possible if he shows up as good but then changes when all mafia are dead. but that seems doubtful

You are the only person who makes sense as a lost wolf to me. Perhaps dya as well.

I assume I would be a candidate for people that aren't me.

yes you'd be a candidate for me too

[Justplayingitcool]

That said, I still think we should spend the bulk of this day reaffirming our town reads. The next 24 hours are very busy for me, so I won't be much help. But I think it's wise to spend this time going over the players we've ruled out just in case we've missed anything. The last wolf may be hard to find, but if we lock everybody else in as town, there is nowhere to hide.

I won't be of much help tonight either. But the people I have ruled out so far are: creature, falcon, belzy and porscha

I assume that is everybody's list of people who are ruled out

[Sloonei]

That said, I still think we should spend the bulk of this day reaffirming our town reads. The next 24 hours are very busy for me, so I won't be much help. But I think it's wise to spend this time going over the players we've ruled out just in case we've missed anything. The last wolf may be hard to find, but if we lock everybody else in as town, there is nowhere to hide.

I won't be of much help tonight either. But the people I have ruled out so far are: creature, falcon, belzy and porscha

I assume that is everybody's list of people who are ruled out

If we feel that our cleared players are secure enough, we can just try to find town in the remaining players: you, me, sabie, LP, dya.