Pandas vs Trash Pandas [Day 7]

[Creature]

Welp. I was hoping last night wolves would get rid of two suspects.

At least that should give us one mislynch:

5 v 2
Mislynch
4 v 2
One nightkill (odd-night)
3 v 2
Hit wolf
3 v 1
One nightkill (because one wolf left)
2 v 1

[Creature]

Things feel a little brighter now.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We potentially have a clear but idk that any non-nanook saves last night should be claimed

@Urist thoughts

[Creature]

We potentially have a clear but idk that any non-nanook saves last night should be claimed

@Urist thoughts

It's possible wolves stacked two kills on you last night. I suppose if they killed two random townies it'd only narrow the number of suspects.

[Creature]

I think Urist is town. I also think DrWilgy is town and falcon is wolf.

[DrWilgy]

Creature read. Wrong. Creature town.

Falcon. No change.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Welp. I was hoping last night wolves would get rid of two suspects.

At least that should give us one mislynch:

5 v 2
Mislynch
4 v 2
One nightkill (odd-night)
3 v 2
Hit wolf
3 v 1
One nightkill (because one wolf left)
2 v 1

How is this possibly townie

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I think we should all claim last night actions. Including nanook savers. There are potential clears to be made here.

That said nanook should decide on whether we do that or not and maybe he could decide on an order for players to claim if he wants.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also Guillo is going straight to me "do not think you can tone read him" list.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think we should all claim last night actions. Including nanook savers. There are potential clears to be made here.

That said nanook should decide on whether we do that or not and maybe he could decide on an order for players to claim if he wants.

That doesn't seem like a good idea to me lol

[DrWilgy]

Not I. Saved panda.

Rolled 2. Holstered.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why are you claiming

Don't start claiming

[Spacedaisy]

After my epic misread of Guillo I can’t say much of anything.

[Creature]

I'd rather not claim my night actions right now. I think we have a free mislynch so no need to claim right now.

[Urist]

I don't think claiming will give us any useful information. The trash pandas know whom they shot last night, it would be pretty simple for them to claim something that negates the benefit of claiming for us.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Mm, lots of room for false clears even without mafia messing with it

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Don't everyone find the last two mafia at once

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I need to do isos (will have to wait till after work day is over though) but GTH I'm not sure if Creature and Guillo bussed each other that hard if they are both scum.

But... Guillo did go after Michelle too, so...

[Spacedaisy]

Don't everyone find the last two mafia at once

I’m sorry, it’s a combination of two things for me:

1. I was so far off on guillo
2. I have a migraine and a ton of other things on my plate the last 24 hours.

2 things I noted about this Guillo flip

First, he was unwilling to vote Falcon even though most of us have him in our PoE

Second, he willing to vote Creature and actively pushing Creature.

I don’t know how to interpret it because I clearly don’t know Guillo at all. He bussed Michelle and then tunneled Dizzy and HK, both civs.

Would he hard bus again? Or would he avoid? Did he say anything about Wilgy?

I’m going back to sleep again to try and shake my migraine.

[Spacedaisy]

Ugh no I typed there. He was willing to vote Creature and actively pushing Urist

[Spacedaisy]

I think I’d maybe look at Falcon today, if I were in your shoes Nook. And maybe interactions with Guillo because I don’t recall how he was with DDL and Wilgy

[Creature]

Only seeing falcon wolf right now.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

The other wolf probably is between DDL and Space.

[Urist]

poe is creature / wilgy / falcon. just shoot down the line and win.

[Spacedaisy]

Only seeing falcon wolf right now.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

The other wolf probably is between DDL and Space.

I assume you are basing this upon the vote yesterday?

It would seem a bit obvious of me and Guillo if we were partners all that time and I hard defended him like that.

It would seem a bit obvious of Guillo if DDL is his other wolf to have suggested sheeping you.

I am returning to what I suspected before, which is Falcon, before Guillo talked me off of that. I don’t know what to do with his treatment of you and Urist. It’s weird that Urist still suspects you. I don’t know what to do with that either.

I think Falcon is a safe shot, for whatever my thoughts are worth at this point.

[Spacedaisy]

Suggested sheepish DDL and voting Creature, I mean.

[Spacedaisy]

Sheeping! Damn autocorrect.

[Spacedaisy]

I could see DDL possibly, I suppose. I don’t know. My heads all over the place right now.

Most confident in [VOTE: falcon] aubergine atm.

[Creature]

Only seeing falcon wolf right now.

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

The other wolf probably is between DDL and Space.

I assume you are basing this upon the vote yesterday?

It would seem a bit obvious of me and Guillo if we were partners all that time and I hard defended him like that.

It would seem a bit obvious of Guillo if DDL is his other wolf to have suggested sheeping you.

I am returning to what I suspected before, which is Falcon, before Guillo talked me off of that. I don’t know what to do with his treatment of you and Urist. It’s weird that Urist still suspects you. I don’t know what to do with that either.

I think Falcon is a safe shot, for whatever my thoughts are worth at this point.

tbh I think your defense of Guillo reeks more lack of TMI than defense of a wolf partner so I think you're kinda town here, but I townread Urist and DrWilgy so that leaves you/DDL/falcon. I'm currently leaning falcon + DDL.

[Spacedaisy]

If a falcon/Wilgy pairing, then Wilgy was distancing from falcon. I find that pairing unlikely.

I lean towards Urist being town because of Guillo's treatment of him, but I don't know. It looks to me like Guillo was trying to move me away from falcon though, because he had pocketed me but didn't want to sheep me.

[Creature]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm pretty sure ddl & wilgy are town, so if you're right about spacedaisy then the scumteam is just guillotine, creature and falcon.

Can you explain why you're so sure DDL & Wilgy are town?



Seems everyone else is having trouble finding town, where does your confidence on them come from?

Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

Falcon. Give me your top 3 scum, who you’d shoot today?

Space Daisy, Creature, Urist and Wilgy



I figure 4 is better than 3, and I feel there's at least 2 Maf in that POE

DDL going missing from POE considering the first quote points towards falcon + DDL.

[Creature]

[VOTE: space daisy] aubergine

falcon deliberately ignored Guillotine day 4 while he also pushed Spacedaisy, DrWilgy (who I think is town) and me (who I know is town), which makes me believe they're wolves together and wolves weren't really trying to distance, but rather try to take it home by day 4.

This makes me think that, if falcon is wolf, he was ignoring his wolfmates and thus Spacedaisy might also be town here.

[Urist]

Just kill falcon so that dunya doesn't have to replace imo

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Forgot to let you guys know but im probably gonna shoot tomorrow im kinda unexpectedly busy today

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Associatives don't just magically spring up

Push people plz

[Dragon D. Luffy]

On Day 2, Guillo voted HK, then started accusing Creature but kept his vote on HK.

Later he accused and voted Urist, but an hour later voted back to HK.

I can totally see one of those short votes being for teammates.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Day 3 he starts by casing Creature, but before we know it hes writing a huge case against Dizzy.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

He's back at casing Creature on day 4. But when I say Creature is scummy for my "comtempt tell", Guillo argues against my point.

He then votes Urist.

He makes a comparison between the two, too:

My PoE at the moment is basically anyone outside of me, Guillo and Nook.

I have a slight town lean on Urist.

I have no read at all on Wilgy.

I have a fluctuating read on falcon so I'd say slight wolf lean.

I don't trust Creature or DDL.

If the shot was in my hands I would shoot DDL.

This all comes with no ISOs yet. I'm about to get sleep now, so I will go ahead and vote on DDL at the moment, but it could still change before the shot gets taken, I'm not sure.

I dont see DDL being a wolf tbh.

Creature is a rollercoaster with an ISO mix of scummy and townie posts.

I dont know about Wilgy, Nanook will have to shoot blindly there if he shoots there.

Urist has been death tunneling me without any reason and so has Creature but at least creature is not afraid to speak his mind about everything else, i dont remember much from Urist.
Why is he town?

And then starts tunnelling hard on Urist.

And later on he's back at being sure Creature is scum. But his vote is still on Urist.

Because I think that trying to paint it as some calculated kill for a reason is silly. It was N1, there were hardly a lot of hard suspicions out there. Splints was quiet enough that she likely wouldn't be protected or hard town read by anyone so she would be a safer kill for them. This seemed really straightforward to me. Guillo obviously thought the same, and I like that look on him because it doesn't look like a wolf trying to draw connections to anyone they can.

Creature is doing exactly that right now.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I want Urist head but for some reason you guys rather keep her around, my only hope is that Nanook sheeps me this time.

The second next best thing is Creature, if you change your mind about Urist, i will switch there. @Spacedaisy , you asked why? ISO me again.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

In a nuthshell: Guillos first suspect for the entire game is Creature, provided we exhaust every other option first.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Urist and Creature are not both scum. I know Guillo can bus, but there's a limit for everything. He bussed Michelle, he's not bussing his other 2 teammates too.

He talks a bit to me sometimes and is usually to pocket me. Makes sense because I was townreading him all game.

The other 3, he has no opinions on. Sometimes he talks to them, but it's always about his suspects: HK, Dizzy, Urist, Creature.

People who went under my radar undetected so far are daisy, falcon and wilgy.

The other wolf is in this trio. Possibly both wolves, but I hate the way he cased Creature all game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Wilgy does not ever give an opinion on Guillo.

He wants Creature dead, and later falcon, and he trusts Daisy, that's it.

Bad look.

If he's bad I think Daisy is being pocketed, wouldn't say they are likely both wolves.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Urist doesn't talk much, when he does he names suspects but doesn't explain. I'm sorry but I really can't vibe with your minimalist playstyle, dude. But that is not the current subject. The current subject is associative reads.

Urist wants Guillo dead. That's his opinion all game. Later on he expands.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME i'm pretty sure ddl & wilgy are town, so if you're right about spacedaisy then the scumteam is just guillotine, creature and falcon.

Yeah hes not scum with creature. His attacks on guillo arent too convincing though, being minimalist means you can say whatever you want with the safety that your opinions won't be heard.

poe is creature / wilgy / falcon. just shoot down the line and win.

I dunno how wilgy jumped to second place but that's a post which is otherwise semi-consistent with previous ones.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@dunya the ISO link to falcon is linking to Urist.

Falcon isn't playing much but I'm not sure if a replacement is needed yet? Kinda dislike Urist for proposing we shoot falcon on those grounds.

Falcon is all over the place. That is not necessarily a bad thing. He cases me, later he throws some mud at NAA and Creature. He attacks HK. Votes for Creature. Votes for Daisy. Votes for Wilgy.

One person he never talks about is Guillo. He does interact with Guillo a bit though, but discussing other people. Here:

Okay. This kill surprises me.

Wolfy.

Falcon. Give me your top 3 scum, who you’d shoot today?

Space Daisy, Creature, Urist and Wilgy



I figure 4 is better than 3, and I feel there's at least 2 Maf in that POE

This is the one time in the game where Guillo and falcon acknolwdge each other's existance, so one can pass a ball to the other.

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

Hmmmmm, gonna have to disagree with ya there and say this looks staged.



How is sus of your slot overconfidence?

It doesn't look like you have any reason to wolfread me. Instead, it looks like you're resorting to pressing the same key and using smug cowboy lines as if that's going to make your non-case compelling.

This kinda just reads like a wolf who's upset they're being SR when they think they've been playing a strong town game.




Also ignore the fact that I rarely make "good cases"




Let's pretend your POE isn't 50% OMGUS right now. Who else is in your POE besides Guillo?

There's also a "forget guillo who else you wanna kill" to Creature.

Bad bad bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Oh and also, currently reading Guillo and Creature as town.

If Daisy and Creature are both scum this is bold af.

She goes after Creature later though, and makes some good points.

Day 2 she puts Guillo at the top of her townlist, and goes back to attacking Creature. Later goes after me. Later decides I'm good and goes after falcon. Then back to Creature.

She never drops the belief Guillo is town. Also talks a lot to him about her cases, like in here:

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 54#p902654

I don't wanna yeet Daisy tbh. Full bussing is uncommon, but full town reads by a wolf to another are even rarer.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Creature has 4 pages and I'm lazy so I'll just search for guillo mentions.

Early game, Creature is working with lists and Guillo tends to show at at the red sections of his lists.

I remember reading DrWilgy, Marmot and Urist town from last EOD.

Why for Wilgy, and do you have a read on Guillo?

It's probably for a stupid reason. I need to recheck.

Guillo felt fine but he says he's pretty tricky as wolf.

Is this a real read.

I remember reading DrWilgy, Marmot and Urist town from last EOD.

Why for Wilgy, and do you have a read on Guillo?

It's probably for a stupid reason. I need to recheck.

Guillo felt fine but he says he's pretty tricky as wolf.

What about Guillo's derp galore, any feels from that?

I thought him being stubborn with plans and complaining about NANOOK being the dictator felt town tbh

Uh ok.

NAA and Marmot dying is a bit sad. They were the two players I trusted the most besides NANOOK.

I'm afraid DrWilgy is probably just town here.

On the other hand, now I'm unsure if I should be townreading DDL and Dyslexicon here. Guillotine is also an uncertainty.

"An uncertainty"

Guillotine could be a bus, but I think he is fine for now.

hollowkatt looks bad for softdefending her.

Just added NotAnAxehole in for reference.

I guess from an outside point of view I would look bad for defending her, but I brought up reasons why I gutread Michelle town.

Dyslexicon looks bad, arguably more than hollowkatt.

Dragon D. Luffy looks good.

Could be a bus but fine for now.

Does Creature ever react to being Guillo's eternal 2nd best suspect? I didn't see it.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

I dont like how you shade me and townread me at the same time, fuck that.

It's not a shade. It's saying nothing stops it from being a bus yet I still townlean you for it.

Ok he does.

I think Guillotine is wolf.

Oh?

Whatever. If you're town, don't get into a tunnel bias and try to actually act town.

I like to think I'm open minded.




Tunneling scum is towny btw

but I'm not wolf so your apparent overconfidence on me looks staged af

His focus turns to falcon though.

From what I have right now:

Town:
Creature
Dragon D. Luffy
NANOOK

Null land:
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
Urist

Wolves:
falcon
Guillotine

Guess I'm only seeing Guillotine + falcon rn. Not sure who can be the third.

Hmm. I want to believe falcon and creature are both scum but this gives me pause.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Yeah ok guillo's treatment of Creature is sus as fuck, guillo's interactions with falcon are awful, but creature decides on day 4 he wants both deadly. he does touch on a few other people but thats his focus.

Creature and falcon are my biggest suspects coming from this. I also feel like Creature pocketed me me early one so I kinda dislike him myself. However Creature doesn't feel like he has much association with falcon, at least to me, which throws a wrench in this conclusion.

I don't feel Daisy and Urist, particularly Daisy. Also neither looks like they could be wolves with Creature, for that matter.

Wilgy and Guillo avoid each other like the plague. That's also a bad look. If Creature and falcon don't look like teammates, this should be the first suspect.

So the conclusion is Urist and Daisy are town, scum is among the other 3, and I'm not sure about the order.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME there I've done work, now do your thing kthxbye.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Cuz I wanna vote somewhere new but also not vote with the coolkids who are already on falcon.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Urist and Creature are not both scum. I know Guillo can bus, but there's a limit for everything. He bussed Michelle, he's not bussing his other 2 teammates too.

He talks a bit to me sometimes and is usually to pocket me. Makes sense because I was townreading him all game.

The other 3, he has no opinions on. Sometimes he talks to them, but it's always about his suspects: HK, Dizzy, Urist, Creature.

People who went under my radar undetected so far are daisy, falcon and wilgy.

The other wolf is in this trio. Possibly both wolves, but I hate the way he cased Creature all game.

Elaborate on the bolded, please

[dunya]

iso links all fixed

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Urist and Creature are not both scum. I know Guillo can bus, but there's a limit for everything. He bussed Michelle, he's not bussing his other 2 teammates too.

He talks a bit to me sometimes and is usually to pocket me. Makes sense because I was townreading him all game.

The other 3, he has no opinions on. Sometimes he talks to them, but it's always about his suspects: HK, Dizzy, Urist, Creature.

People who went under my radar undetected so far are daisy, falcon and wilgy.

The other wolf is in this trio. Possibly both wolves, but I hate the way he cased Creature all game.

Elaborate on the bolded, please

Uh Guillo and Michelle were both scum, Guillo started a case on Michelle before everyone else did, and made solid arguments at that.

He threw her under the bus big time.

Ofc this isnt regular mafia and only you can tell if he did influence you or not, but if we are acting under the premise what we say here matters then scum attacking other scum is always dangerous for scum.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

That said I can see the fact votes don't exist can make scum even more willing to bus than usual tbh.

Which makes me like Daisy even more and believe in a falcon/Creature a little more too.