The Rings of Power - Game Over

[NotAnAxehole]

Once again, 1 being guaranteed mafia, 8 being guaranteed town. I'm trying to get more meta data before EoD to sort further.

Not rated:

Andres
Porscha
Creature
Moonwink


Nanook: 7
Jackofhearts: 4
MartinGG: 4
MacDougall: 7
DOO: 4
Hallowkat: 6
Scotty: 3
Osieorb: 5
Srceenplay: 3
Dunya: 5
Marmot: 3
DrWilgy: 3

[osieorb18]

Mac and Nanook feel town by attitude

I think I get where you're coming from and yet I'm leaning that they aren't both town, mostly due to individual gut feels. I get more pings in both directions from Nanook, but Mac feels marginally more townie in the process.

[NotAnAxehole]

Scotty could be a 1 or 2, I just got confused because too many people are scummy, I need a broader range of meta data to be sure.

[DaughterOfOmega]

I don’t remember the last time I played with DOOM but does she usually get this aggro as town?

You've never met my town meta.

These days I only get aggressive toward people who ask me stupid questions

*only*???

You haven't even seen me in forever???

@osieorb18

That's what you think, lol.

Anyways, I didn't really mean anything negative with that, just that I do think you might be underestimating yourself in a few ways. <3

Good one. I know myself better than anyone else. I also know when and where I go

[Scotty]

other than he's trying to bait you

I’m not even trying to bait her!
I’m just fishing for minnows and a goddamn whale shark is pulling on my rod

[hollowkatt]

Mac and Nanook feel town by attitude

I think I get where you're coming from and yet I'm leaning that they aren't both town, mostly due to individual gut feels. I get more pings in both directions from Nanook, but Mac feels marginally more townie in the process.

yeah I get that

[hollowkatt]

other than he's trying to bait you

I’m not even trying to bait her!
I’m just fishing for minnows and a goddamn whale shark is pulling on my rod

I hate fishing, do you have a better analogy?

[Scotty]

Once again, 1 being guaranteed mafia, 8 being guaranteed town. I'm trying to get more meta data before EoD to sort further.

Not rated:

Andres
Porscha
Creature
Moonwink


Nanook: 7
Jackofhearts: 4
MartinGG: 4
MacDougall: 7
DOO: 4
Hallowkat: 6
Scotty: 3
Osieorb: 5
Srceenplay: 3
Dunya: 5
Marmot: 3
DrWilgy: 3

Waiting for the first flip do you can finally rate someone as town or wolf.

You never said your read accuracy had to be before they were common knowledge

[osieorb18]

Once again, 1 being guaranteed mafia, 8 being guaranteed town. I'm trying to get more meta data before EoD to sort further.

Not rated:

Andres
Porscha
Creature
Moonwink


Nanook: 7
Jackofhearts: 4
MartinGG: 4
MacDougall: 7
DOO: 4
Hallowkat: 6
Scotty: 3
Osieorb: 5
Srceenplay: 3
Dunya: 5
Marmot: 3
DrWilgy: 3

Why are you not rating Creature or Moonwink? Those seem like easy enough players to rate.

I don’t remember the last time I played with DOOM but does she usually get this aggro as town?

You've never met my town meta.

These days I only get aggressive toward people who ask me stupid questions

*only*???

You haven't even seen me in forever???

@osieorb18

That's what you think, lol.

Anyways, I didn't really mean anything negative with that, just that I do think you might be underestimating yourself in a few ways. <3

Good one. I know myself better than anyone else. I also know when and where I go

[Scotty]

Scotty could be a 1 or 2, I just got confused because too many people are scummy, I need a broader range of meta data to be sure.

And yet you’re voting for Dunya, who is *checks notes* a 5 on your scale. Got it.

[NotAnAxehole]

To elaborate on my rankings.

Srceenplay is 100% mafia if additional meta checks out

Scotty is 100% mafia pending other people's meta checks

DrWilgy is too low content to be sure, but leans heavily mafia

Marmot I think I've just ranked incorrectly, they're probably more towny - I just need to check a couple datapoints I'm not sure on with additional meta (I haven't fully reviewed this before posting)

That leaves me 1 or 2 of JackOfHearts, Martin, DOO, Andresvmb, Porscha, Creature, Moonwink

[osieorb18]

other than he's trying to bait you

I’m not even trying to bait her!
I’m just fishing for minnows and a goddamn whale shark is pulling on my rod

[NotAnAxehole]

Once again, 1 being guaranteed mafia, 8 being guaranteed town. I'm trying to get more meta data before EoD to sort further.

Not rated:

Andres
Porscha
Creature
Moonwink


Nanook: 7
Jackofhearts: 4
MartinGG: 4
MacDougall: 7
DOO: 4
Hallowkat: 6
Scotty: 3
Osieorb: 5
Srceenplay: 3
Dunya: 5
Marmot: 3
DrWilgy: 3

Why are you not rating Creature or Moonwink? Those seem like easy enough players to rate.

I don’t remember the last time I played with DOOM but does she usually get this aggro as town?

You've never met my town meta.

These days I only get aggressive toward people who ask me stupid questions

*only*???

You haven't even seen me in forever???

@osieorb18

That's what you think, lol.

Anyways, I didn't really mean anything negative with that, just that I do think you might be underestimating yourself in a few ways. <3

Good one. I know myself better than anyone else. I also know when and where I go

I'm trying to look at this like a machine, which is a lot of data compilation. We're not viewing the game the same way, what I'm doing right now is a LOT of work... I'll get around to the other 4.

I'm like reasonably confident both Srceenplay & Scotty are mafia though.

[NotAnAxehole]

So yeah, downgrading Srceenplay & Scotty to 2

[Scotty]

other than he's trying to bait you

I’m not even trying to bait her!
I’m just fishing for minnows and a goddamn whale shark is pulling on my rod

I hate fishing, do you have a better analogy?

I’m not even trying to bait her!
I’m just an apple pie fresh and new to this world cooling on the counter and she’s the neighbor’s dog who jumped in through my window during the day to have a delectable bite

[NotAnAxehole]

Upgrading marmot to 5, that was a mistake. Mildly towny.

[NotAnAxehole]

Also, you have to understand due to limited information, limited data points, rankings are still semi-volatile.

[osieorb18]

I'm like reasonably confident both Srceenplay & Scotty are mafia though.

I'm feeling at least 75% confident that each of them is town...

[Scotty]

To elaborate on my rankings.

Srceenplay is 100% mafia if additional meta checks out

Scotty is 100% mafia pending other people's meta checks

DrWilgy is too low content to be sure, but leans heavily mafia

Marmot I think I've just ranked incorrectly, they're probably more towny - I just need to check a couple datapoints I'm not sure on with additional meta (I haven't fully reviewed this before posting)

That leaves me 1 or 2 of JackOfHearts, Martin, DOO, Andresvmb, Porscha, Creature, Moonwink

[NotAnAxehole]

Scotty 100% the best bet for today

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[DaughterOfOmega]

ngl

pretty put off this game now, felt really motivated at sod

gl I'm going to chill for a while, won't drop but just care less

[NotAnAxehole]

again, I need to collect additional meta & fill out my spreadsheet to be sure, but I might not manage to do that... So if I don't you all should just take Scotty and Srceen as lock mafia.

[MacDougall]

ngl

pretty put off this game now, felt really motivated at sod

gl I'm going to chill for a while, won't drop but just care less

y

[NotAnAxehole]

When Scotty & srceenplay flip mafia, feel free to nominate me for best civilian. I'm going to see if I can find their 2 partners before EoD.

[osieorb18]

When Scotty & srceenplay flip mafia, feel free to nominate me for best civilian. I'm going to see if I can find their 2 partners before EoD.

"Correct reads mean nothing if you can't effectively work as a team player. A town leader gets other people to trust them in addition to solving the game."

[NotAnAxehole]

When Scotty & srceenplay flip mafia, feel free to nominate me for best civilian. I'm going to see if I can find their 2 partners before EoD.

"Correct reads mean nothing if you can't effectively work as a team player. A town leader gets other people to trust them in addition to solving the game."

I'm not worried, I think we can get them killed.

[Moonwink]

Perhaps we should do an in-thread voting thing where we attach a # to each player on the list of the living.

Example:
"2" being I would vote this person
"1" being I would vote this person but I am reluctant to do so
"0" being I would never vote this person except for hammer
"-1" fuck you martin

At SoD,

2 Porscha
0 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
1 Jackofhearts2005
0 MartinGG99
1 MacDougall
2 srceenplay
0 DaughterOfOmega
2 NotAnAxehole
2 Andresvmb
0 Creature
2 hollowkatt
1 Marmot
1 DrWilgy
0 Scotty
2 osieorb18
1 dunya

I feel like I should start fleshing out my reads though.

[Scotty]

Perhaps we should do an in-thread voting thing where we attach a # to each player on the list of the living.

Example:
"2" being I would vote this person
"1" being I would vote this person but I am reluctant to do so
"0" being I would never vote this person except for hammer
"-1" fuck you martin

Anyone who doesn't do that or something similar (and decides to be unhelpful in that regard) and we can consider yeeting them for it.

Because otherwise I don't see how we can easily come to a conclusion other than potentially yeet HK today, which I don't like (the single-choice issue). I think a possibility to consider is that the mafia no-killed because they wanted the HK yeet to be the seeming only option.

Although if I understand correctly, DOOM's ring also allows whoever they targeted to decide the yeet via their vote. Alternatively, we could just not vote today and if anyone votes for anyone else we will figure that was the person who was targeted by that, and then judge accordingly.

Spoiler: show

Andresvmb 2
Creature 2
DaughterOfOmega 0
DrWilgy 2
dunya 2
hollowkatt 1
Jackofhearts2005 1
MacDougall 1
Marmot 0
Moonwink 0
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 1
NotAnAxehole 1
osieorb18 1
Porscha 2
Scotty 2
Srceenplay 2

If we end up not doing this I'm probably going to just dig through ISO's sometime 24ish hours from now and compile a list of who would vote who.

Too convoluted. You’re telling me mafia tried to stall a lynch- a mislynch, at that- to create WIFOM going into D2?

Doubt

[Scotty]

Martin is doing just enough this game that when he posts I forget he posts but then I remember he posted and I can’t remember that he posted

He’s prolly bad

[Scotty]

I prefer this play style instead of digging through ISO’s between bites at dinner.

Y’all, I’ma be straight fire and brimstone this game, look out

[Moonwink]

Nanook:
Entrance on D1 completely NAI. In fact, I think he's mentioned a plan to slank in a game in his opening post in a couple other games we've played together, and I feel like he's done it as both alignments? Same as baiting me into silly arguments (which I appreciate).

I think I start townreading him NOT when we agreed to wagon Jack together, but when he called for more votes on Jack. I've always felt like Nanook and I do have some similarities in terms of playstyle, and one of those similarities is making wagons on people NOT with an intention to chop them, but to just pressure them and get them to talk more, even if it's just about the wagon forming on them.

Could he do this as mafia? Probably. BUT, I specifically remember a time where he was scum, and he DIDN'T call for more votes on a wagon we agreed to join together. Granted, in that scenario, we were very close to EoD, and the player that I suggested wagoning ended up being his partner. Still though, I got good vibes from him regarding the Jack wagon.

His suggestion about placing votes on Doom had a similar vibe to him calling for more votes on Jack. At no point does he really go into reasoning WHY they should get votes -- just that they should get some votes. This is pretty much what I do just to see what people end up doing.

[MartinGG99]

Perhaps we should do an in-thread voting thing where we attach a # to each player on the list of the living.

Example:
"2" being I would vote this person
"1" being I would vote this person but I am reluctant to do so
"0" being I would never vote this person except for hammer
"-1" fuck you martin

Anyone who doesn't do that or something similar (and decides to be unhelpful in that regard) and we can consider yeeting them for it.

Because otherwise I don't see how we can easily come to a conclusion other than potentially yeet HK today, which I don't like (the single-choice issue). I think a possibility to consider is that the mafia no-killed because they wanted the HK yeet to be the seeming only option.

Although if I understand correctly, DOOM's ring also allows whoever they targeted to decide the yeet via their vote. Alternatively, we could just not vote today and if anyone votes for anyone else we will figure that was the person who was targeted by that, and then judge accordingly.

Spoiler: show

Andresvmb 2
Creature 2
DaughterOfOmega 0
DrWilgy 2
dunya 2
hollowkatt 1
Jackofhearts2005 1
MacDougall 1
Marmot 0
Moonwink 0
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 1
NotAnAxehole 1
osieorb18 1
Porscha 2
Scotty 2
Srceenplay 2

If we end up not doing this I'm probably going to just dig through ISO's sometime 24ish hours from now and compile a list of who would vote who.

Too convoluted. You’re telling me mafia tried to stall a lynch- a mislynch, at that- to create WIFOM going into D2?

Doubt

No. I don't believe anything on what the mafia did on d1.

Four mafia is not enough to stall or cause a yeet, especially on d1, so I cant presume that is what they intentionally did. Especially when such presumptions would necessitate the mafia predicting who the most likely yeet would be and/or needing up to all four wolvrs to be present at a single time to coordinate. It is also possible they may have been able to achieve a misyeet but it would've appeared bad for them for whatever reason.

Regardless of whether they were or weren't intetionally stalling though, I do believe witholding the kill on n1 to pressure town into making a move (ex: Nanooks entrance today about HK) is a reasonable possibility.

[Moonwink]

Mac:
Entrance + maybe first half of D1 (maybe shorter than that) felt most like him just doing his reaction testing and baiting shtick, which I tend to take as NAI. I even called him out on it when he tried suggesting that he thought I was suss. :P

I think the first serious push he made was the one on Dunya, and, like... I just didn't really feel like paying attention to it at the time. Shame on me maybe, but I just didn't feel like reading Dunya when she was townreading me at the time and when she was posting a decent amount of content. For that reason, I kinda just tuned Mac out for a while around this time. I may come back and add some stuff about Mac once I do actually flesh out my read on Dunya and see what they were arguing about, but as of right now, it has no negative influence on my read on Mac.

The next thing that stuck out to me was the stuff between Mac and Doom. What I saw (and please correct me if I'm wrong, either of you two) was that Doom got annoyed at Mac for having similar reads as her and for pressuring the people involved, and in turn, Mac got annoyed with Doom. This misunderstanding just came off to me as two town completely misunderstanding each other's playstyle and having difficulties communicating with each other.

The last big thing of note, and the thing that actually helped me settle full into my townread on Mac, was the post late into D1 where just lists, in tiers, the people he trusts and the people he wants to kill with fire. The HUGE thing that stood out to me was that he listed, in his topmost tier, the three top wagons at that moment: Nanook, Axe, Jack. Him posting this, I felt, was his attempt to try to move the votes away from the top wagons, and the reason why I liked this was because I felt like the wagons and the gamestate were getting stale. Everybody seemed perfectly fine with those three being the top wagons. My thought was that if Mac was scum, and if those weren't his teammates, he wouldn't try to destroy those wagons so late in the day. He'd just try to keep pushing on them in hopes that one of them would get chopped. It just doesn't seem very practical to lead people away from big wagons if you're scum and you're trying to chop people. The only exception to this was if he was AIMING for a no-elim as scum, but... I don't get the sense that this is the case?

I dunno. I just think Mac is town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Anyways mac and axe are both town, if HK is mafia then no more than one mafia in Moonwink, Marmot, DaughterOfOmega, srceenplay, Creature, MartinGG99

If HK is town probably multiple mafia in that group, so let's flip HK

I dislike infoflips but plan of action aside, I agree with this take.

how do you agree with the take when the whole take was an infoflip?

[Jackofhearts2005]

It’s been a day for me (4yo got sick at school and I’ve cleaned up several accidental pukes since picking him up) I’ll catch up tomorrow morning and be around at EOD as well. Just in the mood to beat Morrowind tonight instead of play mafia.

[Moonwink]

Osieorb:
Kinda meh-ish entrance. Like, right out of the gate, they seemed eager to dislike a bunch of stuff (with one exception being liking Scotty's read). There was a distinct lack of fluff, y'know? Like, it came off as if they wanted to be seen as actively making reads and doing solvy stuff.

Another couple of nitpicky things -- 1. Osie nitpicky-ness towards Creature. Specifically, they called out Creature for mentioning they were bored in spite of just making a post about Pokemon (in response to the 'argument' me and Nanook were having). I know I called out Creature, too, for being bored, and also tried to get them to becoming 'unbored' by helping me wagon someone, but Osie shading there, with the inclusion of the Pokemon stuff, felt really opportunistic.

This wasn't the only instance of Osie being opportnistic this way either. When I mentioned the plan that StarV came up for us in the pre-rerand mafiachat, they only mentioned hating the idea and nothing else. Yet, when Scotty (the one person Osie explicitly stated to like early on) mentioned thinking it was weird that I was talking about it when I wasn't involved in the conversation, Osie started adding additional shade on me and supporting that it was odd of me to be talking about it.

2. In relation to the above, When Doom mentioned thinking HK and I were mafia before all that happened, they ask WHY us two. They weren't even scumreading me at the time. Thus, them throwing shade on me after Scotty called me out just comes off as Osie trying to buddy up to Scotty in an opportunistic way.

And there's further evidence that Osie didn't have a solid read on. After I mentioned that I try to play the same way that Mac mentioned scum-Dunya does, they asked if it was alignment-specific from me. tl;dr - I felt the amount of shade I receive from them at the time was unreasonable for the strength (or lack thereof) of the read they had on me. Like, what was the point of shading me that way when you didn't have that strong of a scumread on me? Unless it was to buddy up to/pocket Scotty?

3. The way they approached me when I was trying to call out Screenplay for not having a read on me at a time when I was a top wagon. I thought it was a very reasonable concern to have, yet Osie kinda just shoves away the idea that srceen could be mafia without even addressing the concerns I made in the post. They described me as "being on a different planet", but never tried to engage me to figure out why I have the reads that I do.

[Moonwink]

When Scotty & srceenplay flip mafia, feel free to nominate me for best civilian. I'm going to see if I can find their 2 partners before EoD.

"Correct reads mean nothing if you can't effectively work as a team player. A town leader gets other people to trust them in addition to solving the game."

This is the second time you've said this, if I remember correctly.

I'm going to assume that you really believe this in general. If this is the case, then it makes perfect sense to me why you, as scum, didn't address any of the concerns I mentioned in my previous post. No one really trusts me at the moment -- thus, it doesn't matter what my concerns are, or whether they are valid or not. You can freely say I'm on another planet in terms of reads and not suffer any repercussions from it. I just am curious what you would have to say if people actually started believing me and listening to me.

[DaughterOfOmega]

ngl

pretty put off this game now, felt really motivated at sod

gl I'm going to chill for a while, won't drop but just care less

y

don't like Osie

[Moonwink]

Marmot:

Marmot was one of the people I wasn't too concerned about reading D1. His entrance + general friendliness made me just want to townread him, but in reality, like Dunia, he was probably closer to null with the cavaet that I was never chopping him D1 (since I didn't bother to read him).

It's funny, too, because he and Creature both mentioned having a lot of players that they wanted to leave alone with the hope that they'd sort themselves out -- this is pretty much what I had been doing with Marmot and Dunia.

I kinda like the way he approached Omega during the Mac+Omega squabble, but I feel like Marmot is very able to replicate his friendly demeanor as mafia, and what he showed there wasn't, like, super town-indicative.

I did engage him briefly when he cased HK, only because I thought that srceenplay was a much better yeet to pursue than HK. Just to restate my thoughts, I agreed with the first half of the case but thought it was NAI for HK, just based on my history of seeing HK not playing D1 in other games. I did like part of the second half of the case better, specifically his dislike of the townread HK gave to Omega. Overall though, I don't think the case was necessary. I'd dock town points for this. Also, I don't remember if he ever responded to my thoughts about the case and about srceen as an alternative.

EoD1 stuff kinda counterweighs, if not outright outweighs, the HK case. Small things I liked -- reminder that we needed 51% votes to chop, notifying Mac he was low on remaining posts when he had only 9 left he could make, trying to get HK's thoughts on the top wagons. Very calm overall. I think he asked enough questions (e.g. "Why would Doom have votes" to Nanook, "reads on top wagons" to HK), and gave enough unique thoughts (e.g. "Nanook's 'doesn't care attitude' doesn't look like he doesn't care") to break away from null for me into townleans. However, I don't view him as towny as I do Mac and Nanook.

[Moonwink]

I will say though (regarding Marmot) that I didn't get the vibe that he was TRYING to be towny or TRYING to get people to trust him. Sometimes with certain players, especially with Mac, I get the vibe that they are being extra performative to try to earn trust from people (as either alignment) -- to be fair, I do this a lot, too, lol. I... don't think Marmot is doing that here? Does that make sense?

[DaughterOfOmega]

Once I'm done with covid, 2 more job interviews lined up

poggies

I can start paying off the debt soon

[dunya]

When Scotty & srceenplay flip mafia, feel free to nominate me for best civilian. I'm going to see if I can find their 2 partners before EoD.

What happened to your wolf read on me?

[dunya]

Poll runs till Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

Hmmm seems like we're still working in the same deadline.

Majority yeet is hard, but not impossible. I really feel we should try to get a poe of 4 (even 3 if you prefer) within the first 24 hours and spend the next 24hrs getting majority on one or we are going to go through some yeetless days in the beginning and the yeet is towns greatest weapon so.

I'll get to my Town Do Not Yeet List later followed by who and why I think is a good poe today.

Sorry for briefness, it's a busy work day

I mean I feel like HK is the move today regardless. Nook is right- we need a resolution, and can learn something either way if he’s bad or good. Right now all we know is conjecture since we have no flips.

This feels

Slimy in a.....u wolfing kinda way?

[dunya]

Once I'm done with covid, 2 more job interviews lined up

poggies

I can start paying off the debt soon

H

Y

P

E

Covid sux what r your symptoms??

[dunya]

Scotty could be a 1 or 2, I just got confused because too many people are scummy, I need a broader range of meta data to be sure.

And yet you’re voting for Dunya, who is *checks notes* a 5 on your scale. Got it.

More curious than that is why you town read me.

Care to elaborate?

I feel like I haven't done anything extreme to be "townie" so fat especially by you....don't think you have much meta on me? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[dunya]

@NotAnAxehole

Do u think osie could be wolfin'

[dunya]

Right now my town core are:

DOOM
MARMOT
MOONWINK
MAC
HK, surprisingly.
Porscha
NAA
Maybe nook

I am weary of
Scotty
Osie
Martin
Srceen
Andres

[dunya]

I forgot creature, he is more likely town.

[dunya]

Actually, wait. I don't think osie as wolf is this aggressive in his push against NAA if it's w/t. Hmmm mmmmmm mmmmmmmm

[DaughterOfOmega]

Once I'm done with covid, 2 more job interviews lined up

poggies

I can start paying off the debt soon

H

Y

P

E

Covid sux what r your symptoms??

feel really sore when I get up every morning

sore throat

sinus blown to all hell