Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[c4e5g3d5]

Entirely for that one post? Big meh.

It is that, and I just feel it.

I have more success reading town from micro tells (one off posts)
But not a lot of success reading scum from micro tells (cause town says weird and scummy shit or stuff that is insincere all the time)

Town read micro and scum read macro or something.
This is a rant that's not really relevant, but just something I thought about today.

Anyway, I still think Wilgy is town so sue me.

This is a big part of my MO too so I get that much, but this specific kind of read is one I've turned my confidence in way, way down over time because of how frequently it's been wrong

[c4e5g3d5]

Gut is saying Dizzy's Wilgy read is towny

[Dyslexicon]

Entirely for that one post? Big meh.

It is that, and I just feel it.

I have more success reading town from micro tells (one off posts)
But not a lot of success reading scum from micro tells (cause town says weird and scummy shit or stuff that is insincere all the time)

Town read micro and scum read macro or something.
This is a rant that's not really relevant, but just something I thought about today.

Anyway, I still think Wilgy is town so sue me.

This is a big part of my MO too so I get that much, but this specific kind of read is one I've turned my confidence in way, way down over time because of how frequently it's been wrong

Of course, we could all be wrong. What if wolves are you and Marmot oh wow.

[c4e5g3d5]

think dizzy is probably not a wolf unless it’s with exactly wilgy, but i also don’t think he would really read wilgy like that as w/w, so he’s probably just v

I was thinking something along these lines too, but the first half seems unreliable
I simplified it into "a bunch of kinds of unnecessary for w!Dizzy to make a read like this"

[Hally]

Wilgy is obviously town who next, Alison?

I don't think he is

I re-read MR though and some stuff pings me (specifically the flat-sounding attempt to sound like an egoistical townie angry that people are assuming they're out of their scum range, and the repetition of "witty opening post" making for a kinda stilted entrance). So I [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine.

Orange just reads like such bs.

This is the post in question:

Screw you I can be mafia still

Which is an obvious joke. I don't think town!Alison reads this as a "flat-sounding attempt to sound like an egotistical towny angry that people are assuming they're out of their scum range". Too many words anyway.

Alison was super awkward in the spat with Hally as well. And the "never mind I town read you now" is classic Wolfison.

So I think I'm just going to tunnel here until she be dedded.

i actually forgot alison is the one who is on record saying she hard pushes villagers as a wolf and then “reevaluates” them to pocket them

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Dyslexicon I have dissonance about you, because you're only sort of here. I could vaguely say the same about MR. It's not an emergency, and I only sort of care -- but it does technically mean to me that y'all would be less challenged to produce your current post histories as mafia.

It's further dissonant because I am the same guy right now. Sometimes we just don't feel like doing all kinds of shit. That's okay.

[c4e5g3d5]

Entirely for that one post? Big meh.

It is that, and I just feel it.

I have more success reading town from micro tells (one off posts)
But not a lot of success reading scum from micro tells (cause town says weird and scummy shit or stuff that is insincere all the time)

Town read micro and scum read macro or something.
This is a rant that's not really relevant, but just something I thought about today.

Anyway, I still think Wilgy is town so sue me.

This is a big part of my MO too so I get that much, but this specific kind of read is one I've turned my confidence in way, way down over time because of how frequently it's been wrong

Of course, we could all be wrong. What if wolves are you and Marmot oh wow.

Fire wc

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon I have dissonance about you, because you're only sort of here. I could vaguely say the same about MR. It's not an emergency, and I only sort of care -- but it does technically mean to me that y'all would be less challenged to produce your current post histories as mafia.

It's further dissonant because I am the same guy right now. Sometimes we just don't feel like doing all kinds of shit. That's okay.

I'm here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I vaguely understand Dizzy's read on Wilgy. I am not sure I agree with it, but I get it.

I don't understand Mac's read on NAA.

[Dyslexicon]

I get that my Wilgy read seems thin and it might be thin too. But I'm stubborn, and I actually do feel like it's correct so

[c4e5g3d5]

I'm gonna look at the Alison stuff later because I'm w/w with her

[Hally]

think dizzy is probably not a wolf unless it’s with exactly wilgy, but i also don’t think he would really read wilgy like that as w/w, so he’s probably just v

I was thinking something along these lines too, but the first half seems unreliable
I simplified it into "a bunch of kinds of unnecessary for w!Dizzy to make a read like this"

i just think he’d be making his life unnecessarily hard as a wolf by correctly clearing wilgy off a highly specific meta read that nobody will ever expect him to make

[Dyslexicon]

Wilgy is obviously town who next, Alison?

I don't think he is

I re-read MR though and some stuff pings me (specifically the flat-sounding attempt to sound like an egoistical townie angry that people are assuming they're out of their scum range, and the repetition of "witty opening post" making for a kinda stilted entrance). So I [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine.

Orange just reads like such bs.

This is the post in question:

Screw you I can be mafia still

Which is an obvious joke. I don't think town!Alison reads this as a "flat-sounding attempt to sound like an egotistical towny angry that people are assuming they're out of their scum range". Too many words anyway.

Alison was super awkward in the spat with Hally as well. And the "never mind I town read you now" is classic Wolfison.

So I think I'm just going to tunnel here until she be dedded.

i actually forgot alison is the one who is on record saying she hard pushes villagers as a wolf and then “reevaluates” them to pocket them

A little bit of a weird reaction, but apparently I'm letting all of your weirdness slide =p

So do you agree or not that Alison is mafia rn? Cause she's probably mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@c4e5g3d5 you asked about my Mac read. I'm afraid it's not going to be one that is likely to move your needle a ton, but anyway:

In recent memory, when Mac has been mafia I have been able to tell pretty quickly. There's a certain degree of obviousness about how BS his chaos has been, and it becomes difficult to suspend disbelief for his sake. I don't get that impression generally in this game. I think his reads have mostly made sense and that they have aligned well with my own. When he and I are seeing a similar state of affairs I think that's usually a good sign. The only read of his that I do not follow is his town read on NAA.

[Hally]

Wilgy is obviously town who next, Alison?

I don't think he is

I re-read MR though and some stuff pings me (specifically the flat-sounding attempt to sound like an egoistical townie angry that people are assuming they're out of their scum range, and the repetition of "witty opening post" making for a kinda stilted entrance). So I [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine.

Orange just reads like such bs.

This is the post in question:

Screw you I can be mafia still

Which is an obvious joke. I don't think town!Alison reads this as a "flat-sounding attempt to sound like an egotistical towny angry that people are assuming they're out of their scum range". Too many words anyway.

Alison was super awkward in the spat with Hally as well. And the "never mind I town read you now" is classic Wolfison.

So I think I'm just going to tunnel here until she be dedded.

i actually forgot alison is the one who is on record saying she hard pushes villagers as a wolf and then “reevaluates” them to pocket them

A little bit of a weird reaction, but apparently I'm letting all of your weirdness slide =p

So do you agree or not that Alison is mafia rn? Cause she's probably mafia.

i’ve been the main one saying she’s probably mafia the entire day lol

[Marmot]

@c4e5g3d5 you asked about my Mac read. I'm afraid it's not going to be one that is likely to move your needle a ton, but anyway:

In recent memory, when Mac has been mafia I have been able to tell pretty quickly. There's a certain degree of obviousness about how BS his chaos has been, and it becomes difficult to suspend disbelief for his sake. I don't get that impression generally in this game. I think his reads have mostly made sense and that they have aligned well with my own. When he and I are seeing a similar state of affairs I think that's usually a good sign. The only read of his that I do not follow is his town read on NAA.

Are we talking about the same mac?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Outside c4, there's a general view forming that Alison is a lead suspect. I would say so too.

If so, what implications does this have for the other players? I am sensing a little bit of discord in the consensus beyond this point (not an unhealthy amount, but an observable amount), and it might do us well as a group to sort that problem if it is a problem. Who fits with mafia Alison? What happens to your view of the game if she is town?

[Dyslexicon]

i just think he’d be making his life unnecessarily hard as a wolf by correctly clearing wilgy off a highly specific meta read that nobody will ever expect him to make

Unless that is what I want you to think heheheh

/flat-sounding attempt to sound like an egotistical towny who's angry people think I'm out of scum range 2.0

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Are we talking about the same mac?

I'm not sure what you mean, but if you disagree go ahead and talk about that.

[Dyslexicon]

Outside c4, there's a general view forming that Alison is a lead suspect. I would say so too.

If so, what implications does this have for the other players? I am sensing a little bit of discord in the consensus beyond this point (not an unhealthy amount, but an observable amount), and it might do us well as a group to sort that problem if it is a problem. Who fits with mafia Alison? What happens to your view of the game if she is town?

You are like actually very scummy with these posts. Have I just forgotten how to play with you. I'd vig you over most others in this game rn tbh tbh

So that was my reaction.
But to answer your question like a good citizen. Alison scum means town wins. Alison town means I look at you/Mac/Nanook/NAA probably.

[Dyslexicon]

i’ve been the main one saying she’s probably mafia the entire day lol

Ugh. I know that. Just

Nevermind

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Outside c4, there's a general view forming that Alison is a lead suspect. I would say so too.

If so, what implications does this have for the other players? I am sensing a little bit of discord in the consensus beyond this point (not an unhealthy amount, but an observable amount), and it might do us well as a group to sort that problem if it is a problem. Who fits with mafia Alison? What happens to your view of the game if she is town?

You are like actually very scummy with these posts. Have I just forgotten how to play with you. I'd vig you over most others in this game rn tbh tbh

So that was my reaction.
But to answer your question like a good citizen. Alison scum means town wins. Alison town means I look at you/Mac/Nanook/NAA probably.

I really don't know why you feel that way but okay

[Hally]

the team is actually mac/alison because they aren’t villagery here and both of them have acknowledged the other is not villagery yet neither of them have actually done anything about it and if either of them were v and wolf read the other they would make it their mission to push it

[Dyslexicon]

i’ve been the main one saying she’s probably mafia the entire day lol

Ugh. I know that. Just

Nevermind

Last time you listed suspects or who you wanted to vote, you didn't include Alison, pretty sure. And your response here was pretty much a joke. It was just weird. Are you afraid of being wrong or are you an alien shapeshifter.

But still never mind

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Btw running people up is kind of pointless if you're vocally unwilling to hammer lol, the whole point of running people up is to see what happens when they get close to a hammer, but there's no tension to it if everyone knows there are only two or three people in this game whod actually hammer lol

Who is vocally unwilling to hammer?

Literally everyone saying things like "I don't want a hammer" lol

Who has said that though?

Alison Jay you hally dizzy radishes I think have said some form of it

Idk I'm not fact checking right now that's just offhand

It goes without saying though. We all know who would actually push a hammer early and who wouldn't. S H R U G

Sure, im just saying its pointless to run people up if there's no threat of hammer, not that you shouldn't say it, cause you're right we all know there are like...3, maybe 4 people in this game that woild d1 hammer lol

[Dyslexicon]

Outside c4, there's a general view forming that Alison is a lead suspect. I would say so too.

If so, what implications does this have for the other players? I am sensing a little bit of discord in the consensus beyond this point (not an unhealthy amount, but an observable amount), and it might do us well as a group to sort that problem if it is a problem. Who fits with mafia Alison? What happens to your view of the game if she is town?

You are like actually very scummy with these posts. Have I just forgotten how to play with you. I'd vig you over most others in this game rn tbh tbh

So that was my reaction.
But to answer your question like a good citizen. Alison scum means town wins. Alison town means I look at you/Mac/Nanook/NAA probably.

I really don't know why you feel that way but okay

Same lol

[Dyslexicon]

Sure, im just saying its pointless to run people up if there's no threat of hammer, not that you shouldn't say it, cause you're right we all know there are like...3, maybe 4 people in this game that woild d1 hammer lol

The whole thing is just moot ig is my (non)point

[Dyslexicon]

the team is actually mac/alison because they aren’t villagery here and both of them have acknowledged the other is not villagery yet neither of them have actually done anything about it and if either of them were v and wolf read the other they would make it their mission to push it

Wouldn't be the first time

[Marmot]

Are we talking about the same mac?

I'm not sure what you mean, but if you disagree go ahead and talk about that.

I'll don't have that ability atm (I've just been checking in on my phone every now and then), but I will later in the day

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

[Alison]

Good evening.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I could move Mac down a level to the "dissonance" pile. At the least answering c4's prompt made it clearer to me that I cannot concretely justify a town read. I can vaguely justify it.

[Hally]

i’ve been the main one saying she’s probably mafia the entire day lol

Ugh. I know that. Just

Nevermind

Last time you listed suspects or who you wanted to vote, you didn't include Alison, pretty sure. And your response here was pretty much a joke. It was just weird. Are you afraid of being wrong or are you an alien shapeshifter.

But still never mind

i’m just not sure i actually want to kill alison D1 because if she’s a villager i think she can clear herself over time, whereas i find it less likely NAA or wilgy would if v

but i do think she’s a wolf and i may end up just voting her idk

[Dyslexicon]

Whoops time to sleep Alison is here

[Dyslexicon]

Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

I named five. I'll get the last one tomorrow.

[Alison]

Whoops time to sleep Alison is here

Why does this mean it is time to sleep?

I have not read anything since my last post. I'm not sure if I feel like reading. Sometimes I do but this time I don't. I'm probably going to alternate between slowly reading and talking in thread.

[Alison]

Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

That's tough.

c4, Hally, Marmot, you is my tentative attempt. I need two more and I don't have two more.

I don't intend to try to win the game today though.

[Dyslexicon]

i’ve been the main one saying she’s probably mafia the entire day lol

Ugh. I know that. Just

Nevermind

Last time you listed suspects or who you wanted to vote, you didn't include Alison, pretty sure. And your response here was pretty much a joke. It was just weird. Are you afraid of being wrong or are you an alien shapeshifter.

But still never mind

i’m just not sure i actually want to kill alison D1 because if she’s a villager i think she can clear herself over time, whereas i find it less likely NAA or wilgy would if v

but i do think she’s a wolf and i may end up just voting her idk

I kind of feel the opposite lol. I feel like Wilgy can be read over time. Not sure about NAA and he tends to be chopped or considered for chopping even if he's obvtown so.

But bottom line, I just think Alison is the most likely mafia so that's where I'm voting. I feel that's a pretty sound strategy lol

[Dyslexicon]

Whoops time to sleep Alison is here

Why does this mean it is time to sleep?

I have not read anything since my last post. I'm not sure if I feel like reading. Sometimes I do but this time I don't. I'm probably going to alternate between slowly reading and talking in thread.

It doesn't mean that really. But I think you're mafia.

And also I was really about to go to sleep and need to get up semi early tomorrow.

So it was a funny.

[Alison]

Alison is 0% chance to be mafia. Anyone who thinks otherwise is objectively wrong.

[Alison]

I am the only one other than the host who knows for sure what Alison's alignment is.

And, friends, I am certain that she is town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We probably only get two mischops in this game. I suggest we eliminate the top suspect every time without regard for who it is. The game is unlikely to offer a wealth of time and chop resources to sort itself out. This might be speaking the obvious, but I don't think it's obvious in practice.

[Dyslexicon]

Alison is 0% chance to be mafia. Anyone who thinks otherwise is objectively wrong.

That is great.

I expect to be fully convinced and also for you to find the two real mafia.

[Hally]

Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

c4
marmot
dizzy
you

honestly not sure who else, but maybe radishy because he’s my mason

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Does anyone town read Nanook?

[Alison]

We probably only get two mischops in this game. I suggest we eliminate the top suspect every time without regard for who it is. The game is unlikely to offer a wealth of time and chop resources to sort itself out. This might be speaking the obvious, but I don't think it's obvious in practice.

I agree with you.

[Alison]

Mac responded to my concern post. It was a scummy response. Mac is probably scum.

I am never voting Mac today.

[Alison]

I think the scum team is Mac and Radish.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Macster Dougishes

[Dyslexicon]

Name 6 townies not including yourself. Get it right and you win the game. Anyone fancy a try?

c4
marmot
dizzy
you

honestly not sure who else, but maybe radishy because he’s my mason

I'll sheep your Jimmay read if you sheep my Wilgy and Radish reads. You won't regret it. BOX THEM IN