Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[Hally]

skimmed some wilgy games and honestly didn’t help other than confirming my recollection that he can be more villagery as a villager than he’s currently being, but it seems like he isn’t always

[MacDougall]

correction naa's entire iso is townie

this post reminds me of how i caught mac in GoC when he declared sabie was lock v for no reason

like idk how anyone could think this lol

I read his iso and it was townie... explain how it wasn't? first 9 posts.

How about you explain how it's towny?

it's 9 fucking posts, why is the burden of proof on me? people are >rand town by default so the burden of proof is not on me.

[MacDougall]

correction naa's entire iso is townie

this post reminds me of how i caught mac in GoC when he declared sabie was lock v for no reason

like idk how anyone could think this lol

I read his iso and it was townie... explain how it wasn't? first 9 posts.

i’ve already explained in great detail why i don’t think it is

and I disagree, I'm not gonna say it was the towniest shit I've ever seen but I saw nothing really wrong with it especially by his standards

[Marmot]

In Wilgy's defense, he had 3 votes on him before he had even posted. I don't know if I've ever seen that before. He mentioned he was in a shitty mood not long after entering the game, I dunno if that gamestate contributed.

I'm willing to give him a little grace for that.

[MacDougall]

I vaguely understand Dizzy's read on Wilgy. I am not sure I agree with it, but I get it.

I don't understand Mac's read on NAA.

my read on him is being completely overstated and dwelled upon far too much, it was an early game read on a person with 9 posts dude.

[MacDougall]

like how much can I actually elaborate on a read I made from skimming a guy's 9 post ISO? do you want me to break it down character by character?

[MacDougall]

skimmed some wilgy games and honestly didn’t help other than confirming my recollection that he can be more villagery as a villager than he’s currently being, but it seems like he isn’t always

what wilgy games did you skim and how many?

[Marmot]

like how much can I actually elaborate on a read I made from skimming a guy's 9 post ISO? do you want me to break it down character by character?

I expect your read to contain more content than those 9 posts yes.

[Hally]

correction naa's entire iso is townie

this post reminds me of how i caught mac in GoC when he declared sabie was lock v for no reason

like idk how anyone could think this lol

I read his iso and it was townie... explain how it wasn't? first 9 posts.

i’ve already explained in great detail why i don’t think it is

and I disagree, I'm not gonna say it was the towniest shit I've ever seen but I saw nothing really wrong with it especially by his standards

why did you ask me to explain if you already saw my explanation and didn’t agree lol

[MacDougall]

like how much can I actually elaborate on a read I made from skimming a guy's 9 post ISO? do you want me to break it down character by character?

I expect your read to contain more content than those 9 posts yes.

then that's ridiculous and feel free to mischop me

[Hally]

skimmed some wilgy games and honestly didn’t help other than confirming my recollection that he can be more villagery as a villager than he’s currently being, but it seems like he isn’t always

what wilgy games did you skim and how many?

trash pandas - he was a villager and gimmicked the whole game so idc about it

coffia - he was wolf and seemed sorta similar to here but not exactly

philo maf 2 - he was a villager and gimmicked D1 but then when he dropped the gimmick he was a lot more villagery than here

molly maguires - was a villager and way more villagery than here

[MacDougall]

correction naa's entire iso is townie

this post reminds me of how i caught mac in GoC when he declared sabie was lock v for no reason

like idk how anyone could think this lol

I read his iso and it was townie... explain how it wasn't? first 9 posts.

i’ve already explained in great detail why i don’t think it is

and I disagree, I'm not gonna say it was the towniest shit I've ever seen but I saw nothing really wrong with it especially by his standards

why did you ask me to explain if you already saw my explanation and didn’t agree lol

you misunderstand, I hadn't and have not seen your explanation I am just taking you at your word that you made one and disagreeing with it out of hand

[MacDougall]

skimmed some wilgy games and honestly didn’t help other than confirming my recollection that he can be more villagery as a villager than he’s currently being, but it seems like he isn’t always

what wilgy games did you skim and how many?

trash pandas - he was a villager and gimmicked the whole game so idc about it

coffia - he was wolf and seemed sorta similar to here but not exactly

philo maf 2 - he was a villager and gimmicked D1 but then when he dropped the gimmick he was a lot more villagery than here

molly maguires - was a villager and way more villagery than here

cool so let's kill wilgy

[MacDougall]

I for one require everyone who makes early game gut reads on nothingburger content to go into graphic detail explaining themselves because every mafia game of all time has been won that way.

[Hally]

the thing is i can’t tell if he’s gimmicking here? his tone is weird but not in an obviously gimmicky way

[Marmot]

Mac responded to my concern post. It was a scummy response. Mac is probably scum.

I am never voting Mac today.

wat

If we vote out Mac today and he flips town the game is lost so I don't see a reason to risk it when I can gun for his partner.

I don't remotely see how this is a good strategy, nor do I agree with the hypothetical where Mac is town.

[Marmot]

like how much can I actually elaborate on a read I made from skimming a guy's 9 post ISO? do you want me to break it down character by character?

I expect your read to contain more content than those 9 posts yes.

then that's ridiculous and feel free to mischop me

I was joking,

[Marmot]

skimmed some wilgy games and honestly didn’t help other than confirming my recollection that he can be more villagery as a villager than he’s currently being, but it seems like he isn’t always

what wilgy games did you skim and how many?

trash pandas - he was a villager and gimmicked the whole game so idc about it

coffia - he was wolf and seemed sorta similar to here but not exactly

philo maf 2 - he was a villager and gimmicked D1 but then when he dropped the gimmick he was a lot more villagery than here

molly maguires - was a villager and way more villagery than here

In Coffia, Wilgy gimmicked early Day 1, but dropped it to try to damage control the heat he was getting and failed.

[Hally]

just gonna let mac do his thing and see where it leads

[MacDougall]

The following are reads. The categories are reads. The categories aren't ordered so it's not like a rainbow list, k

Having a good time on the highway into town
c4
Dizzy
MR
Town reads

Having a good time, but maybe driving the wrong way
Nanook
Mac
Dunno but gun to my head, town

Driving cautiously, both blinkers activated
Alison
Hally
Dunno kinda iffy

Stopped in the right lane at a red light preventing people from turning right behind him
NAA
"suspicious" I guess

Haven't hit the road yet
DrWilgy
Marmot
Eagerly awaiting

I decided to rainbow them so people know what the hell I am talking about

#shouldhavestayedinretirement

I'm good with sheeping Alison and see where it goes.

this post is townie because if axe is mafia and alison is town he's placing himself in a bad situation and if they are mafia together he's openly siding with alison which is just weird

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

this post is townie because he has made no effort to product a townie post on request

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

why do your reads strike me as fake?

A lack of understanding + I haven't actually seriously evaluated.

Combination.

see above explanation

tl;dr he feels like he's just being straightforward in a game in which he's not really motivated to push very hard the end

[MacDougall]

Mac responded to my concern post. It was a scummy response. Mac is probably scum.

I am never voting Mac today.

wat

If we vote out Mac today and he flips town the game is lost so I don't see a reason to risk it when I can gun for his partner.

I don't remotely see how this is a good strategy, nor do I agree with the hypothetical where Mac is town.

it's pretty hard for me to think of an example where I've died as town prior to the end of n1 without a wolf dead alongside me that town went on to win

[MacDougall]

just gonna let mac do his thing and see where it leads

my thing right now is that I believe that Alison, Dizzy, Jay, Marmot and you are all town more than I think Axe is town but you guys are so fascinated with my Axe read and also stir crazy that you're derping yourselves senseless.

[Hally]

The following are reads. The categories are reads. The categories aren't ordered so it's not like a rainbow list, k

Having a good time on the highway into town
c4
Dizzy
MR
Town reads

Having a good time, but maybe driving the wrong way
Nanook
Mac
Dunno but gun to my head, town

Driving cautiously, both blinkers activated
Alison
Hally
Dunno kinda iffy

Stopped in the right lane at a red light preventing people from turning right behind him
NAA
"suspicious" I guess

Haven't hit the road yet
DrWilgy
Marmot
Eagerly awaiting

I decided to rainbow them so people know what the hell I am talking about

#shouldhavestayedinretirement

I'm good with sheeping Alison and see where it goes.

this post is townie because if axe is mafia and alison is town he's placing himself in a bad situation and if they are mafia together he's openly siding with alison which is just weird

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

this post is townie because he has made no effort to product a townie post on request

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

why do your reads strike me as fake?

A lack of understanding + I haven't actually seriously evaluated.

Combination.

see above explanation

tl;dr he feels like he's just being straightforward in a game in which he's not really motivated to push very hard the end

is NAA one of those people that seems more villagery as a wolf?

[MacDougall]

i mean sometimes, he is just someone that is not overly theatrical when he is town and won't dance on command

[MacDougall]

he usually will find someone he's pretty convinced is mafia by the end of day 1 and then tunnel them while questioning the sanity of the rest of town

[Hally]

just gonna let mac do his thing and see where it leads

my thing right now is that I believe that Alison, Dizzy, Jay, Marmot and you are all town more than I think Axe is town but you guys are so fascinated with my Axe read and also stir crazy that you're derping yourselves senseless.

it’s not really much to do with your NAA read, you just haven’t really done anything

why alison?

[Marmot]

Mac responded to my concern post. It was a scummy response. Mac is probably scum.

I am never voting Mac today.

wat

If we vote out Mac today and he flips town the game is lost so I don't see a reason to risk it when I can gun for his partner.

I don't remotely see how this is a good strategy, nor do I agree with the hypothetical where Mac is town.

it's pretty hard for me to think of an example where I've died as town prior to the end of n1 without a wolf dead alongside me that town went on to win

I assume you're rarely-to-never elimed as town Day 1, which helps support those stats.

My qualm is that Alison is telling us that we're going to lose if we mis-ex you Day 1. I disagree. You're a good player, but you're not the only one in this game.

Also she's literally admitting you're scummy and defending you at the same time.


I think this is an incredibly scummy post from her. The logic here doesn't make sense to me, and honestly looks like blatant open-wolfing.

[MacDougall]

the way Alison explained how she feels about the suspicion on her was pretty convincing of someone being in the townie mindset... when she is mafia and gets cornered I feel she tends to become quite openwolfy in an antispewy way and I don't see her having done that here?

[Hally]

the way Alison explained how she feels about the suspicion on her was pretty convincing of someone being in the townie mindset... when she is mafia and gets cornered I feel she tends to become quite openwolfy in an antispewy way and I don't see her having done that here?

really? her push on radishes seemed open wolfy to me lol

[Marmot]

Marmot: Alison's being openwolfy

At the same time, Mac: Alison is openwolfy when she's cornered and she's not doing that.

[MacDougall]

Mac responded to my concern post. It was a scummy response. Mac is probably scum.

I am never voting Mac today.

wat

If we vote out Mac today and he flips town the game is lost so I don't see a reason to risk it when I can gun for his partner.

I don't remotely see how this is a good strategy, nor do I agree with the hypothetical where Mac is town.

it's pretty hard for me to think of an example where I've died as town prior to the end of n1 without a wolf dead alongside me that town went on to win

I assume you're rarely-to-never elimed as town Day 1, which helps support those stats.

My qualm is that Alison is telling us that we're going to lose if we mis-ex you Day 1. I disagree. You're a good player, but you're not the only one in this game.

Also she's literally admitting you're scummy and defending you at the same time.


I think this is an incredibly scummy post from her. The logic here doesn't make sense to me, and honestly looks like blatant open-wolfing.

yeah but i am killed n1 as town a lot and often sit in dead chat watching town fumble their way to losses so I can only presume that'll be worse if i die to the thread kill.

am I scummy? no, I don't think so... if I was playing this slanky and low effort AND I was scummy I'd be dead to rights by now (and also probably actually a wolf). I think the fact that I am not being run up is a testament to the fact that I have been pretty clearly in my town meta when I've been present.

that said, I've been not been in my most obvious town meta and so for alison to see that and give me a pass is not really wolfy for her cuz she tends to give me the d1 to pelt someone as a rule in most games anyway.

[MacDougall]

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

[Marmot]

To be clear Mac, I'm talking specifically about Alison, and yes her read of you is involved, but I'm not sure if that is important to what I'm talking about.

[MacDougall]

okay so presuming that alison is mafia and she is in antispew/openwolfing

the fact is that her pushing MR for bad reasons would mean MR is her partner anyway

[MacDougall]

To be clear Mac, I'm talking specifically about Alison, and yes her read of you is involved, but I'm not sure if that is important to what I'm talking about.

i know what you were saying

[Hally]

nobody has even made that big a deal of your NAA read? idk why you’re so hung up on that

[Marmot]

Who are the wolves Mac?

[NotAnAxehole]

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

[MacDougall]

nobody has even made that big a deal of your NAA read? idk why you’re so hung up on that

multiple people have been like "weird read on axe" over and over and this is not exactly a game with a lot of content so as it pertains to things relevant to me it's quite prominent

[Hally]

okay so presuming that alison is mafia and she is in antispew/openwolfing

the fact is that her pushing MR for bad reasons would mean MR is her partner anyway

i’ve been tinfoiling this actually but iirc she started pushing him when she under less pressure so idk

[MacDougall]

Who are the wolves Mac?

Radishes and Wilgy most likely. C4 can be mafia.

[MacDougall]

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

care to guess whomst? there are only 4 names there.

[Marmot]

okay so presuming that alison is mafia and she is in antispew/openwolfing

the fact is that her pushing MR for bad reasons would mean MR is her partner anyway

The "kill MR then kill me if it's wrong" is certainly a way to send her to F3 if that's the case.

I don't really buy that theory, but that might be because MR hasn't pinged me.

[NotAnAxehole]

Who are the wolves Mac?

Radishes and Wilgy most likely. C4 can be mafia.

C4 was my top mafia read early on... I think I would actually need to check this read in order to seriously hold onto it though.

[NotAnAxehole]

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

care to guess whomst? there are only 4 names there.

Top Guess: JJJ

2nd Guess: Dizzy

Somehow I think the other two are more likely to vote Alison D1 as town. And I think JJJ's been scummy in general.

[MacDougall]

okay so presuming that alison is mafia and she is in antispew/openwolfing

the fact is that her pushing MR for bad reasons would mean MR is her partner anyway

The "kill MR then kill me if it's wrong" is certainly a way to send her to F3 if that's the case.

I don't really buy that theory, but that might be because MR hasn't pinged me.

MR hasn't really pinged me all that much either frankly I only started suspecting him because I felt compelled to compare his first 10 posts to Axe's and found him worse, with less suspicion being thrown at him at the time.

If we were to go on pings only I would say that the mafia is probably Alison and Axe lol.

[MacDougall]

Like as of right now cuz Axe started pinging me like in the last page.

[MacDougall]

I am about 70% confident that Radish is mafia and you guys are acting like I'm 95% confident. It's weird.

Where in my posts have I projected confidence? Has my solve even focused untowardly on Radish at all, except as one step in a long sequence?

Please

this is also supremely relateable because it's exactly how you rock apes are treating my read on axe and it's what overbearing towncores do

I'm an ape, and I resent this negative connotation to the term.

Also, I think there's at least 1 mafia on Alison. relatively high confidence.

care to guess whomst? there are only 4 names there.

Top Guess: JJJ

2nd Guess: Dizzy

Somehow I think the other two are more likely to vote Alison D1 as town. And I think JJJ's been scummy in general.

I suppose you could be right about Jay. He probably hasn't been as towny as he'd need to be to be as townread as he has been at least.

[Hally]

Wilgy is obviously town who next, Alison?

I don't think he is

I re-read MR though and some stuff pings me (specifically the flat-sounding attempt to sound like an egoistical townie angry that people are assuming they're out of their scum range, and the repetition of "witty opening post" making for a kinda stilted entrance). So I [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine.

nvm it was later than i thought

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac, you don't have to have a thorough, developed explanation for your NAA read. I simply don't get it. That doesn't mean you're wrong or that you're mafia. I see the post below, interpret some measure of confidence from it (by way of the "entire iso" being referenced), and I don't really follow it. If you've nothing to expand on about it then you've nothing to expand on about it.

correction naa's entire iso is townie