The Rings of Power - Game Over

[Creature]

This day is annoyingly slow.

[Creature]

@dunya I looked through your ISO and didn't see you tagging me or asking me anything. Were you thinking of Scotty?

On my way home.

See I’m popular. Eh.

Not understanding what you are seeing wrong with my post @Scotty

Gone with the wind

[Moonwink]

@osieorb18

Spoiler: show

I think I may have a deep town tell on srceen based on their early game.

If this is genuine I would be curious to know what it is.

This series of posts iirc felt like unlikely to come from someone with a scumchat. I noticed the derp yesterday and didn't think to note it down, so for all I know I'm confusing you with Creature.

Anyway, the real question here is what’s wrong with becoming a ring wraith? They get bitchin capes. Can’t get that at Jc penny’s

If you are dead you cant hold rings. The less people to hold rings the more oppertunity for scum to get all the rings.

I might have missed it in the rules- if someone sends a ring to someone else, do the “points” reset, or are rings only able to be used twice maximum in the whole game? And is the person notified what level of corruption that ring is at if they receive it?

My understanding is nothing "resets".
I thought corruption was per ring, but is it collective?

Anyway, the real question here is what’s wrong with becoming a ring wraith? They get bitchin capes. Can’t get that at Jc penny’s

If you are dead you cant hold rings. The less people to hold rings the more oppertunity for scum to get all the rings.

I might have missed it in the rules- if someone sends a ring to someone else, do the “points” reset, or are rings only able to be used twice maximum in the whole game? And is the person notified what level of corruption that ring is at if they receive it?

My understanding is nothing "resets".
I thought corruption was per ring, but is it collective?

So corruption is per ring

aubergine
what is that?

Is this the argument you're talking about? If so, I remember seeing it, but wasn't convinced by it. Pretending to not know about game mechanics is a 2 in my opinion on the 1 (EASY) to 10 (HARD) difficulty scale. This is why I tend to dismiss mechanics discussion in general -- not only is it boring to me, but in general, it's one of the easier things to talk about without revealing your alignment.

I -will- ask you a question though now that you've brought this up. You seem to put a lot of value into this argument if this is the one you're talking about. Why did you NOT like me saying that there was THREE of us in the pre-rand, and NOT four of us? I did NOT realize you were with us -- I thought you were co-modding at that point like you said you would be up for doing in the signup thread. Thus, I thought there were three of us. Why did you immediately jump to assuming that I faked not knowing there were four of us when you are so casually ready to believe that srceen maybe towntold based on mechanics talk?

Finally, I've been arguing that you two (you + srceen) are mafia. I don't think it's unreasonable for me to dismiss your thoughts about who I think may be a scumpartner of yours.

[dunya]

@dunya I looked through your ISO and didn't see you tagging me or asking me anything. Were you thinking of Scotty?

Why do you think you're threadspewed town?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I hate how most of my suspects are voting Screen.

I’m kinda entirely serious about cleaning out the three low posters.

tbh I don’t think that helps the game state right now. There’s no real vig in this game, so they’ll hVw to be resolved at some time, but I don’t think now’s the time

Regardless of those you don’t trust voting for srceen- which is a lazy reason- do you personally find srceen scummy?

ish. I don't think he slipped though.

[hollowkatt]

@dunya I looked through your ISO and didn't see you tagging me or asking me anything. Were you thinking of Scotty?

Why do you think you're threadspewed town?

first of all because it's funny. but really because there was a concerted effort to get me to go over yesterday and that effort failed, which tells me that wolves were trying to get me chopped but weren't able to get the job done, and then today there was an initial push to get me over again and now my wagon is barely hanging on.

[Moonwink]

I still wanna yeet Moonwink for wanting to yeet anyone at all.

So, I seriously don't know how to read this tunnel on me. On one hand, I love that you're sticking to your guns on it, but on the other hand, 1. I don't know where it's coming from at this point, and 2. I don't view it as useful anymore. Are you annoyed that you were one of the people I was okaying with yeeting D1? Was it the HK vote? Was it the self-vote? I made very clear who my more preferred yeets were, and I did push and argue for people to help me yeet them. If I'm aiming to yeet someone D1, should I have STAYED on srceen and HOPE that people rejoin later on? Like, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not apologizing for being open to yeeting anyone. :<

[MartinGG99]

Currently going through ISO's to note everyone's stances into one post.

Also what:

Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Want to yeet: Andre, Dunia, Moonwink, Wilgy
Will vote here if it's them or nothing: Doom, HK (I know, I know), Martin, Screen
Won't vote unless something big changes: Axe, Creature, Mac, Oosie, Scotty
To evaluate: Portia. Cause Dunya said they were short in quantity but high in quality of content. Easy enough to validate.
Torn: Nanook. Would probably yeet here but Mac is certain they're town and they haven't done anything to make me want to yeet them today.

[MartinGG99]

"I think killing towns and deceiving them is odd and/or scummy to me."

the above statement is a bit of an extreme example but like if you find something scummy you probably wouldn't be unsure about it & wouldn't assign an "or" to that

[Jackofhearts2005]

I still wanna yeet Moonwink for wanting to yeet anyone at all.

So, I seriously don't know how to read this tunnel on me. On one hand, I love that you're sticking to your guns on it, but on the other hand, 1. I don't know where it's coming from at this point, and 2. I don't view it as useful anymore. Are you annoyed that you were one of the people I was okaying with yeeting D1? Was it the HK vote? Was it the self-vote? I made very clear who my more preferred yeets were, and I did push and argue for people to help me yeet them. If I'm aiming to yeet someone D1, should I have STAYED on srceen and HOPE that people rejoin later on? Like, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not apologizing for being open to yeeting anyone. :<

I also think self voting is >rand wolfy but whatever.

[Creature]

@dunya I looked through your ISO and didn't see you tagging me or asking me anything. Were you thinking of Scotty?

Why do you think you're threadspewed town?

first of all because it's funny. but really because there was a concerted effort to get me to go over yesterday and that effort failed, which tells me that wolves were trying to get me chopped but weren't able to get the job done, and then today there was an initial push to get me over again and now my wagon is barely hanging on.

If you're town, wolves would still rather nolynch and have day 2 be a repeat of day 1 with one fewer living town. The wagon on you EOD1 felt more town trying to prevent a nolynch than wolves trying to push a mislynch.

[Moonwink]

So, I'm looking at the votes, and I feel like I'm MORE alarmed that there are people that HAVEN'T voted yet than I am about there being no wagon close to maj'ing. Are people just assuming that the person who Doom has chosen to be the deciding vote has already voted?

[Moonwink]

I still wanna yeet Moonwink for wanting to yeet anyone at all.

So, I seriously don't know how to read this tunnel on me. On one hand, I love that you're sticking to your guns on it, but on the other hand, 1. I don't know where it's coming from at this point, and 2. I don't view it as useful anymore. Are you annoyed that you were one of the people I was okaying with yeeting D1? Was it the HK vote? Was it the self-vote? I made very clear who my more preferred yeets were, and I did push and argue for people to help me yeet them. If I'm aiming to yeet someone D1, should I have STAYED on srceen and HOPE that people rejoin later on? Like, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not apologizing for being open to yeeting anyone. :<

I also think self voting is >rand wolfy but whatever.

Why whatever? :<

[dunya]

Why do you want to yeet me, Jack?

[Creature]

So, I'm looking at the votes, and I feel like I'm MORE alarmed that there are people that HAVEN'T voted yet than I am about there being no wagon close to maj'ing. Are people just assuming that the person who Doom has chosen to be the deciding vote has already voted?

Oh shit this is a good point.

[dunya]

@dunya I looked through your ISO and didn't see you tagging me or asking me anything. Were you thinking of Scotty?

Why do you think you're threadspewed town?

first of all because it's funny. but really because there was a concerted effort to get me to go over yesterday and that effort failed, which tells me that wolves were trying to get me chopped but weren't able to get the job done, and then today there was an initial push to get me over again and now my wagon is barely hanging on.

Do you feel you've been trying to sort people and solve today?

[Urist]

The wind changes. The clouds shift. The sky darkens. A whisper drifts in from the West. One councilor rises from their seat. "What are we waiting for? We know there are agents of the dark lord among us. If there can be no consensus, I'll make a decision myself."

Deadline is in an hour.

[NotAnAxehole]

One hour

[srceenplay]

OK. You have me for a hour I guess

[Andresvmb]

I’m here. Ugh I got sidetracked. This is moving too quickly. I’ll consolidate to try and get something going.

[dunya]

Is this day slower than anything ever before?

I even have lotr memes ready

We're all talking politics and too distracted to play mafia lol

[dunya]

I’m here. Ugh I got sidetracked. This is moving too quickly. I’ll consolidate to try and get something going.

I have to retract my mafia crush. Sorry.

I have not crushed on you this game

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why do you want to yeet me, Jack?

You look fake to me. Bouncy reads. Looks opportunistic. Could be wrong.

[srceenplay]

....

[dunya]

Why do you want to yeet me, Jack?

You look fake to me. Bouncy reads. Looks opportunistic. Could be wrong.

Cos tunnelling is so much better

[srceenplay]

Anyone else get what scotty was talkjing about with me?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why do you want to yeet me, Jack?

You look fake to me. Bouncy reads. Looks opportunistic. Could be wrong.

Cos tunnelling is so much better

See? It's posts like this tbh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Axe, Creature, who do you want between our two top wagons?

[dunya]

Why do you want to yeet me, Jack?

You look fake to me. Bouncy reads. Looks opportunistic. Could be wrong.

Cos tunnelling is so much better

See? It's posts like this tbh.

You refuse to engage with me so I really don't care.

If you want to suspect me: tell me how I look fake , who have I bounced on and where is my opportunism???? What agenda am I pushing?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why do you want to yeet me, Jack?

You look fake to me. Bouncy reads. Looks opportunistic. Could be wrong.

Cos tunnelling is so much better

See? It's posts like this tbh.

You refuse to engage with me so I really don't care.

If you want to suspect me: tell me how I look fake , who have I bounced on and where is my opportunism???? What agenda am I pushing?

What so I can convince you I suspect you? :wowee:

[dunya]

Why do you want to yeet me, Jack?

You look fake to me. Bouncy reads. Looks opportunistic. Could be wrong.

Cos tunnelling is so much better

See? It's posts like this tbh.

You refuse to engage with me so I really don't care.

If you want to suspect me: tell me how I look fake , who have I bounced on and where is my opportunism???? What agenda am I pushing?

What so I can convince you I suspect you? :wowee:

Better than looking like you have a fake vendetta against me....

[MartinGG99]

Note: This is what I got so far, and considering time of EoD I won't finish it in time.

Here's what I could find from reading ISO's on who would vote who or not vote.

Keep in mind what I wrote down here may be more representative of my interpretation rather than what they actually said, as I may be taking things that are arguably suggestive of X or Y thing to actually mean X or Y thing. Or, alternatively, I could have made an error noting down a read or stance that has changed since then.

Porscha:
-Not willing or reluctant to vote HK/Mac/Moon/Creature
-Willing to vote anyone else? Only really mentioned nanook as being scummy

Nanook:
-Just yeet HK; progress based on whether HK is town or mafia
-Not willing or reluctant to vote NAA/Mac
-Willing to vote Andres? Or just wants andres to die at some point.

Jack:
See here: viewtopic.php?p=906034#p906034

Martin:
I'm updating things a bit.
-Willing to vote practically anyone not mentioned below if hammer is necessary.
-Reluctant to vote HK/Jack/Mac/Nanook/Scotty
-Willing to vote (prior to hammer) Porscha/Screen/Andres/Wilgy/Dunya/Creature

Mac:
-Willing to vote Nanook(?) plus see this post by mac viewtopic.php?p=904103#p904103

Screen:
-Willing to vote HK/Nanook/Moon/Martin/Naa
Martin's Note: Kinda unclear to me here so I could be wrong or out-of-date with these.

DOOM:
-Willing to vote Osie/Scotty/Moon/Screen
Martin note: ISO is overall unclear aside from those 4

NAA:

I'm only voting scotty or Srceenplay and I've got 2 votes. Need 10 to kill.

Andres:
lol

Creature:

HK:
-thinks one wolf between Scotty/Osie/NAA
See this viewtopic.php?p=905566#p905566

Moon:
-Willing to vote practically anyone not mentioned below if hammer is necessary.
-Reluctant to vote Dunya/wilgy/Marmot/Mac/Jack
-Willing to vote (prior to hammer) Osie/HK/Andres/NAA/Screen/Porscha

Marmot:
Willingness is unclear, but did voice voting either directly or indirectly:
HK/NAA/Moon/Dunya/Jack/Nanook
-Might also be willing to vote anyone if hammer is needed, but I could be wrong on that.

Wilgy:
Seemed interested in a 4-way tie that once involved Jack/Screen/???/???
Otherwise idk

Scotty:

Osie:

Dunya:

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why do you want to yeet me, Jack?

You look fake to me. Bouncy reads. Looks opportunistic. Could be wrong.

Cos tunnelling is so much better

See? It's posts like this tbh.

You refuse to engage with me so I really don't care.

If you want to suspect me: tell me how I look fake , who have I bounced on and where is my opportunism???? What agenda am I pushing?

What so I can convince you I suspect you? :wowee:

Better than looking like you have a fake vendetta against me....

I don't think you think I have a fake vendetta against you.

[dunya]

[VOTE: JACK] aubergine

[srceenplay]

Screen:
-Willing to vote HK/star//Martin/osie/dunya

FTFY

[srceenplay]

Probably add wiglt as well

[dunya]

I think NAA is one of my strongest town reads.

Osie has trended down my list though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: JACK] aubergine

[dunya]

@NotAnAxehole will u vote srceen instead of Scotty?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Vote Hollowcatt I guess.

Maj sucks. Maj with 5 nonvoters sucks a lot.

[srceenplay]

Seeing I might die,

Set up thoughts. Game is not over until mafia has all the rings. Probably not a good idea to keep multiple rings. Needs spread out as much as possible. Don't pass or trade unless absolutely need to to. With trading there is also a risk of giving them to mafia. Giving them to obv town risk mafia killing them and talking them anyway. So all in all I dont like the idea of passing rings.

[MartinGG99]

Screen:
-Willing to vote HK/starfox/Martin/osie/dunya

FTFY

Thanks, let's finish fixing it together.

lol

[srceenplay]

18.
Target yourself, and name up to five Rings. Your target will learn the full description of each of the Rings you named, if they exist.


How do this work? Aren't all rings public knowledge?

[dunya]

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

Something feels off and doesn't seem like he's trying to play or solve at all.

Playing the game.only to answer direct questions bad. No urgency this day phase despite yesterday where if he was town he should.be solving among his voters

[MartinGG99]

Seeing as we're not going to Maj, I'm moving my vote to someone who doesn't in order to have better chances of telling who DOOM trusted with their ring target.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

18.
Target yourself, and name up to five Rings. Your target will learn the full description of each of the Rings you named, if they exist.


How do this work? Aren't all rings public knowledge?

Originally none of the rings were known nor their abilities iirc before the re-rand.

So it makes sense they don't know the names yet.

[srceenplay]

Seeing as we're not going to Maj, I'm moving my vote to someone who doesn't in order to have better chances of telling who DOOM trusted with their ring target.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Can't Doom just confirm it?

[Jackofhearts2005]

We can totally yeet HK with the players online

[NotAnAxehole]

@dunya I've already accepted that getting 10 votes on a player is impossible.