The Rings of Power - Game Over

[dunya]

So I suppose this is as good of a time as any for me to ask.

'anyone got a 28 page tldr?'

HK was scum. he also has a not so huge iso if you wanna have a skim and tell me what things stand out (town or scum leans)

[Moonwink]

With the condition "No more than one 'a' in the recipient's role name, and the recipient's role name cannot begin with 'K'."

...we can look at the following list of Rolenames:

Town Rolenames -

Isildur
Thranduil
Celeborn
Narvi
Disa
Arondir
Elrond
Elendil
Durin IV
Cirdan
Amdir
Celebrimbor
Glorfindel
Bronwyn
Durin III (MacDougall)
Celebrian

Gil-Galad
Tar-Minastir
Elanor Brandyfoot

Mafia Rolenames -

Annatar
Khamul
Witch-King of Angmar (Hollowkatt)
Ar-Pharazon

%%%

None of the mafia names fulfill the condition, and only three town names do.

How are you counting? From my PoV all of Thranduil, Narvi, Disa, Arondir, Cirdan, Amdir, Celebrian satisfy the condition you gave. That's seven. o:

[Moonwink]

I'm still confused about some stuff regarding the number of people who claimed to receive my message, but I think I am ready to just hammer Andres? Andres hasn't claimed to receive my n2 message, so I think it's a safe way to go right now while I try to figure more things out.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Voting Andre to be popular

[srceenplay]

What ever happened to having star prove his role?

[srceenplay]

If you think it's a bad idea just let me know.

[dunya]

i think it pays off

@NotAnAxehole

[Scotty]

Hidee Ho campers

[Scotty]

With the condition "No more than one 'a' in the recipient's role name, and the recipient's role name cannot begin with 'K'."

...we can look at the following list of Rolenames:

Town Rolenames -

Isildur
Thranduil
Celeborn
Narvi
Disa
Arondir
Elrond
Elendil
Durin IV
Cirdan
Amdir
Celebrimbor
Glorfindel
Bronwyn
Durin III (MacDougall)
Celebrian

Gil-Galad
Tar-Minastir
Elanor Brandyfoot

Mafia Rolenames -

Annatar
Khamul
Witch-King of Angmar (Hollowkatt)
Ar-Pharazon

%%%

None of the mafia names fulfill the condition, and only three town names do.

There are further steps that could be taken in terms of claiming parts of the message from Moonwink to confirm enough town to win.

But beyond that, Scotty is one of the more suspicious people due to being in the three affected by Mar, and is EVEN MORE suspicious since he has studiously avoided making a claim about the message in Neighbour chat or in the thread, likely because it catches him out.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Yeah I was avoiding even talking about it because of FOMO and how sus it would look but I don’t really care anymore

I’m Brandyfoot from Brandyfoot’s Cinderella

[Scotty]

If you think it's a bad idea just let me know.

I think it’s a bad idea.

[NotAnAxehole]

i think it pays off

@NotAnAxehole

What pays off?

[srceenplay]

If you think it's a bad idea just let me know.

I think it’s a bad idea.

[DrWilgy]

I read HK's ISO and now have some slight data.

Spoiler: show

Try finger
but hole

[DrWilgy]

Further:

Spoiler: show

Alright, I admit it. Elden ring has been my wedding stress escape. 4 days remain. Wish me good chance and luck.

In regard's to HK's ISO. Screenplay and MoonWink are not aligned with HK as far as I can tell.

Mac is sitting in an odd position. Town leaned for nothing, but that was mentioned early. I don't feel like HK who anti-spews states this teammate that early.

I feel that Osieorb, and Porscha were straight up ignored.

Now. Can someone fill me in on Andres and as to why everyone is voting there? HK set up a point of contention between them and Porscha. Is it related to that?

[DrWilgy]

Oh, also when looking at direct interactions.

JoH and Creature stand out.

The interaction between a tossed read on creature and a question poised by JoH that was responded to there's not much. If any avoidable interactions were forced, it was one of these two.

Unless someone tells me a reason otherwise.

[osieorb18]

With the condition "No more than one 'a' in the recipient's role name, and the recipient's role name cannot begin with 'K'."

...we can look at the following list of Rolenames:

Town Rolenames -

Isildur
Thranduil
Celeborn
Narvi
Disa
Arondir
Elrond
Elendil
Durin IV
Cirdan
Amdir
Celebrimbor
Glorfindel
Bronwyn
Durin III (MacDougall)
Celebrian

Gil-Galad
Tar-Minastir
Elanor Brandyfoot

Mafia Rolenames -

Annatar
Khamul
Witch-King of Angmar (Hollowkatt)
Ar-Pharazon

%%%

None of the mafia names fulfill the condition, and only three town names do.

How are you counting? From my PoV all of Thranduil, Narvi, Disa, Arondir, Cirdan, Amdir, Celebrian satisfy the condition you gave. That's seven. o:

"no more than one a" means one a is okay, just not 2. That's why the "doesn't begin with k" is included.

[Moonwink]

Wait, I know where I got confused. It was "no more than one a", but I forgot that also includes names WITHOUT and 'a', too. The seven I gave satisfy the condition one 'a', but doesn't start with K. That's why I'm getting more than 7 claims, but it makes sense now. My bad, lol.

Anyway, we can hammer Andres. I dunno why he hasn't been hammered? It looks like he's got enough votes.

(Though, I might actually read what Wilgy had to say about Andres before I add another vote on Andres.)

[DrWilgy]

Wait, I know where I got confused. It was "no more than one a", but I forgot that also includes names WITHOUT and 'a', too. The seven I gave satisfy the condition one 'a', but doesn't start with K. That's why I'm getting more than 7 claims, but it makes sense now. My bad, lol.

Anyway, we can hammer Andres. I dunno why he hasn't been hammered? It looks like he's got enough votes.

(Though, I might actually read what Wilgy had to say about Andres before I add another vote on Andres.)

It was just the quandary as to why Andres and not Porscha. HK's context set them in contention.

[Moonwink]

Wait, I know where I got confused. It was "no more than one a", but I forgot that also includes names WITHOUT and 'a', too. The seven I gave satisfy the condition one 'a', but doesn't start with K. That's why I'm getting more than 7 claims, but it makes sense now. My bad, lol.

Anyway, we can hammer Andres. I dunno why he hasn't been hammered? It looks like he's got enough votes.

(Though, I might actually read what Wilgy had to say about Andres before I add another vote on Andres.)

It was just the quandary as to why Andres and not Porscha. HK's context set them in contention.

Well, for me, I remember Porsha saying some stuff at the beginning of D2, which puts here just slightly higher than Andres, but relative to the rest of the playerlist? They're pretty much in the same position. I was also interested in looking at Jack's and Creature's ISO again after the stuff you brought up, though in Jack's case, he was one of the people who receive my message last night. I thiiiiink I'd always go for Creature over Jack at this second? I dunno. I've been pretty lazy today -- launched Civ 5 up two nights ago, and I haven't been able to stop playing it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Theres no hammer lol the host hates us

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Theres no hammer lol the host hates us

[NotAnAxehole]

Majority required -> No hammers. What a delight.

[Moonwink]

Oh, also when looking at direct interactions.

JoH and Creature stand out.

The interaction between a tossed read on creature and a question poised by JoH that was responded to there's not much. If any avoidable interactions were forced, it was one of these two.

Unless someone tells me a reason otherwise.

I just remembered something.

At the end of D1, when we were close to voting HK over, Jack chose to vote for me in the last five minutes of the day instead of helping the people wagoning HK with another vote on him. He explained it away be saying that being open to vote for anyone is bad, and that his vote on me was a symbolic one.

However, he ends up voting for HK by the end of D2. Furthermore, didn't someone suggest that a ring might have been used on HK to get him to survive through the vote until the start of D3? Or was his delayed death caused by the mechanics of Doom's ring use?

[Moonwink]

Also, not taking any chances this time, I think.

[VOTE: Andres] aubergine

[NotAnAxehole]

My god, Andres is going to flip town isn't he?

^ You can view this as TMI when he flips town.

[Moonwink]

I hate how most of my suspects are voting Screen.

I’m kinda entirely serious about cleaning out the three low posters.

Starting to think the same tbh

[VOTE: Andresmvp] aubergine

Is this a W/W interaction though? Individually, I think Creature's post here can come from either alignment. His playstyle shares some similarities with mine, especially in regard to using random votes to poke around. I'm further inclined to think this was a case of that since he switched his vote to HK by the end of the day.

If he is scum though, that probably means he abandoned the Andres wagon to bus his partner HK. Today, it looked like he abandoned his attempt to wagon Osie to vote for Andres. In this scenario though, I think Andres is town? Because Creature would still get towncred for bussing a partner as long as Andres get chopped at some point? I also think Osie would be town in this case, too, because there was a lot of resistance (including me) against voting Osie today.

I dunno though.

[Moonwink]

I hate how most of my suspects are voting Screen.

I’m kinda entirely serious about cleaning out the three low posters.

Starting to think the same tbh

[VOTE: Andresmvp] aubergine

Is this a W/W interaction though? Individually, I think Creature's post here can come from either alignment. His playstyle shares some similarities with mine, especially in regard to using random votes to poke around. I'm further inclined to think this was a case of that since he switched his vote to HK by the end of the day.

If he is scum though, that probably means he abandoned the Andres wagon to bus his partner HK. Today, it looked like he abandoned his attempt to wagon Osie to vote for Andres. In this scenario though, I think Andres is town? Because Creature would still get towncred for bussing a partner as long as Andres get chopped at some point? I also think Osie would be town in this case, too, because there was a lot of resistance (including me) against voting Osie today.

I dunno though.

Hmm... I just noticed again that Osie and Andres are voting with each other on Scotty. I know I was on the wagon with them for some time, but I don't remember how long we were all on it together. The reason why it's interesting to me, though, is that maybe Creature was reacting to Osie's and Andres votes on Scotty? Scotty, who could be Creature's partner? The only thing against this though is, as I quoted above, Creature has been kinda pushing on Andres since yesterday?

[Scotty]

Oh, also when looking at direct interactions.

JoH and Creature stand out.

The interaction between a tossed read on creature and a question poised by JoH that was responded to there's not much. If any avoidable interactions were forced, it was one of these two.

Unless someone tells me a reason otherwise.

I just remembered something.

At the end of D1, when we were close to voting HK over, Jack chose to vote for me in the last five minutes of the day instead of helping the people wagoning HK with another vote on him. He explained it away be saying that being open to vote for anyone is bad, and that his vote on me was a symbolic one.

However, he ends up voting for HK by the end of D2. Furthermore, didn't someone suggest that a ring might have been used on HK to get him to survive through the vote until the start of D3? Or was his delayed death caused by the mechanics of Doom's ring use?

Besides the fact that mafia seemingly don’t have any way of killing besides corruption and NK, that’s the only way it could happen. Mafia definitely used that ring on HK.

Also the flavor this morning:

Clarity stuck the councilor's mind the moment they left the forum. Is this the power of the Rings? Are a person's thoughts so easily muddled? Regardless, corrective action must be taken. A certain somebody was meant to die yesterday.

[Moonwink]

If Andres flips mafia, I think it immediately clears Creature. And probably Jack, too? Because I don't think either of them bus their partners two days in a row. Annnnd, they've both been kinda pushing for Andres since yesterday?

[Scotty]

This game is on ez mode and I’m feeling pretty confident osie is also bad. NAA is my pick for the other one, but I could very well be wrong

[Scotty]

If Andres flips mafia, I think it immediately clears Creature. And probably Jack, too? Because I don't think either of them bus their partners two days in a row. Annnnd, they've both been kinda pushing for Andres since yesterday?

You seem to like to preemptively clear people.
Why is Creature cleared in this scenario? I don’t see it

[Moonwink]

Oh, also when looking at direct interactions.

JoH and Creature stand out.

The interaction between a tossed read on creature and a question poised by JoH that was responded to there's not much. If any avoidable interactions were forced, it was one of these two.

Unless someone tells me a reason otherwise.

I just remembered something.

At the end of D1, when we were close to voting HK over, Jack chose to vote for me in the last five minutes of the day instead of helping the people wagoning HK with another vote on him. He explained it away be saying that being open to vote for anyone is bad, and that his vote on me was a symbolic one.

However, he ends up voting for HK by the end of D2. Furthermore, didn't someone suggest that a ring might have been used on HK to get him to survive through the vote until the start of D3? Or was his delayed death caused by the mechanics of Doom's ring use?

Besides the fact that mafia seemingly don’t have any way of killing besides corruption and NK, that’s the only way it could happen. Mafia definitely used that ring on HK.

Okay, this is what I thought. This is kiiiinda why I'm a little more hesitant to townread the people on HK's wagon from D2 than I am from D1. If the ring was used on HK, scum probably knew it, and might have been okay with HK getting yeeted since his death would get delayed a night.

[Scotty]

Oh, also when looking at direct interactions.

JoH and Creature stand out.

The interaction between a tossed read on creature and a question poised by JoH that was responded to there's not much. If any avoidable interactions were forced, it was one of these two.

Unless someone tells me a reason otherwise.

I just remembered something.

At the end of D1, when we were close to voting HK over, Jack chose to vote for me in the last five minutes of the day instead of helping the people wagoning HK with another vote on him. He explained it away be saying that being open to vote for anyone is bad, and that his vote on me was a symbolic one.

However, he ends up voting for HK by the end of D2. Furthermore, didn't someone suggest that a ring might have been used on HK to get him to survive through the vote until the start of D3? Or was his delayed death caused by the mechanics of Doom's ring use?

Besides the fact that mafia seemingly don’t have any way of killing besides corruption and NK, that’s the only way it could happen. Mafia definitely used that ring on HK.

Okay, this is what I thought. This is kiiiinda why I'm a little more hesitant to townread the people on HK's wagon from D2 than I am from D1. If the ring was used on HK, scum probably knew it, and might have been okay with HK getting yeeted since his death would get delayed a night.

This is why I got prickly with nook’s statement when he came out saying that D2. But we’ll get to that later

[Moonwink]

If Andres flips mafia, I think it immediately clears Creature. And probably Jack, too? Because I don't think either of them bus their partners two days in a row. Annnnd, they've both been kinda pushing for Andres since yesterday?

You seem to like to preemptively clear people.
Why is Creature cleared in this scenario? I don’t see it

I like clearing people because I've found that it can influence what mafia does sometimes. If they keep me around, I tend to find that they'd rather not also bring someone I trust and can work with. Does that make any sense?

As for Creature... I feel that what I said is true just based on past experience with him, I think? Like... I wouldn't call Creature a practical player -- he can make plays sometimes that are just really bad for his alignment, just like me. Buuuut, like me, I think he knows his limit, and wouldn't willingly put himself into a position where he has to bus two partners in a row?

[Scotty]

If Andres flips mafia, I think it immediately clears Creature. And probably Jack, too? Because I don't think either of them bus their partners two days in a row. Annnnd, they've both been kinda pushing for Andres since yesterday?

You seem to like to preemptively clear people.
Why is Creature cleared in this scenario? I don’t see it

I like clearing people because I've found that it can influence what mafia does sometimes. If they keep me around, I tend to find that they'd rather not also bring someone I trust and can work with. Does that make any sense?

As for Creature... I feel that what I said is true just based on past experience with him, I think? Like... I wouldn't call Creature a practical player -- he can make plays sometimes that are just really bad for his alignment, just like me. Buuuut, like me, I think he knows his limit, and wouldn't willingly put himself into a position where he has to bus two partners in a row?

Yeah that makes sense. Usually when I hear the word clear, I expect it to be some undeniable mech thing, but looking at it as like ‘clear to me’ makes more sense. If a player is cleared, I want to just throw them in my knapsack and not worry about them any more.

That’s why NAA clearing himself made my eye twitch

[Moonwink]

If Andres flips mafia, I think it immediately clears Creature. And probably Jack, too? Because I don't think either of them bus their partners two days in a row. Annnnd, they've both been kinda pushing for Andres since yesterday?

You seem to like to preemptively clear people.
Why is Creature cleared in this scenario? I don’t see it

I like clearing people because I've found that it can influence what mafia does sometimes. If they keep me around, I tend to find that they'd rather not also bring someone I trust and can work with. Does that make any sense?

As for Creature... I feel that what I said is true just based on past experience with him, I think? Like... I wouldn't call Creature a practical player -- he can make plays sometimes that are just really bad for his alignment, just like me. Buuuut, like me, I think he knows his limit, and wouldn't willingly put himself into a position where he has to bus two partners in a row?

Yeah that makes sense. Usually when I hear the word clear, I expect it to be some undeniable mech thing, but looking at it as like ‘clear to me’ makes more sense. If a player is cleared, I want to just throw them in my knapsack and not worry about them any more.

That’s why NAA clearing himself made my eye twitch

Oh, yeah. When I say clear, I usually mean 'clear to me', unless I specify otherwise. I'm weird with words and phrasing sometimes from what I'm told. If there's any ever confusion, just ask, and I'll try to explain what I mean.

But yeah, 'clear to me' means I don't want to worry about them anymore until I absolutely have to look at them again. NAA trying to clear himself isn't too weird? After all, I tried to do the same thing today. However, I don't think he's as clear as he thinks he is? Right now, I'm just observing him and hoping things become more clear.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't think "they wouldn't bus two partners in a row" really applies when it's andres who had made what, 3 posts coming into today?

[DaughterOfOmega]

I'm here for this

[Moonwink]

I don't think "they wouldn't bus two partners in a row" really applies when it's andres who had made what, 3 posts coming into today?

Yeeeeaah.

[Urist]

Thread is locked, please do not post.

[Urist]

Surprisingly, the council was quick to make a decision. After seeing the Witch-King crumble like a good loaf of lembas, there was no question about who should be next to die. Of course, there was no rush. The accused was a King, after all, so he was afforded all the grace that befit his position. He chose to spend the day in silent reverie. It was really boring.

Andresvmb (Ar-Pharazôn of the Agents of Sauron) has been eliminated.

Night three begins now, and ends in around 24h.

[Urist]

Everyone at her village was always asking her for heals. Ironic, isn't it, that she could save others from death, but not herself.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (Bronwyn of the Free Peoples) has been killed.

Day four begins now, and ends in about 48h.

[Urist]

Post Limits - Day Four

Scotty 222
dunya 215
Moonwink 185
NotAnAxehole 175
Jackofhearts2005 171
DaughterOfOmega 169
osieorb18 165
Creature 163
srceenplay 163
Marmot 151
MartinGG99 141
Porscha 88
DrWilgy 86

[Marmot]

Nanook is cleared

[MartinGG99]

tangerine

I swear if this breaks the game I'm going to be disappointed

[Marmot]

I prefer mandarins tbh

[DaughterOfOmega]

I'm already town cleared

who cares

[Moonwink]

Isn't nectarine a type of orange? o:

[DrWilgy]

So we yeet Creature now right?

Like, Andres literally just interacted with Orb, Scotty, Screenplay and NAA.

I'd think that a low posting scum wouldn't have a need to even talk about a teammate unless prompted. Creature was a scummuffin based on HK's iso anyhow.

[osieorb18]

I once bought a jar of elderberry vinegar when looking for some non-alcoholic elderflower flavouring.

This game is making me think back to that poor jar sitting in my fridge and what I could do with it.