So I was thinking... within the votes for Roxy, two things are possible. If the CyberHead found his body, he vote must be in that group of voters.
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Long Con wrote:CyberHead Role Description wrote:If you manage to find your body (a randomly determined event) at some point in the game, you gain an extra amount of votes for the next lynch determined by how many members of your team are still alive.
Ok, so maybe the extra votes can go where the Cyber Head didn't publicly vote. So I'm no more exonerated from being the Head than anyone else, and looking at the MM voters doesn't mean nearly as much. Why are you so sure the Cyber Head has even found its body? It's randomly determined. I picture something like one player in the game has the Body, and the Head searches one per night for it. Or some variation on that sort of 'Searchy' role.
Wait, so if the Cyber Head doesn't have to vote where the extra votes are, then Chris please explain to me how the Civvies can have an advantage from revealing the lynch info? How do we catch the baddie in that "hope we got lucky devil's advocate" thing keys posted?
The Cyber Head cannot privately change any or all of his extra votes. All of his votes are based on whoever he publicly votes for in the lynch poll.
So, this means that if on day 6, if the CyberHead had already found his body, he could not be in the group of Epig voters. That pretty much clears LC as the head, but that doesn't exonerate him from being a Cyberman though. He could have just been the one to argue for the head. But I'll back off of that for now, and chew on it a bit.
The other thing Roxy's lynch should show us is the role checker from the Cybermen. I think they knew her role, and switched it to her, in order to avoid voting for me. Why would they avoid voting for me you ask?
Chris wrote:MP, just remember, when I'm lynched and shown to be Sarah or jack, your MK survival will become all the more suspicious.
You know it will.
Chris wrote:At least after I die someone surviving a NK will have one less civvies role to try to claim.
Good luck civvies folks, you'll need it.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Chris wrote:MP, just remember, when I'm lynched and shown to be Sarah or jack, your MK survival will become all the more suspicious.
You know it will.
Seriously, Chris? Mine will, but not BR and Elo? Especially since I gave a full explanation that it was related to my prize? And that even though I didn't expect the hosts to confirm, they practically did once keys complained about splints dying and they responded saying she only recruited one person?
Your fixation on me and your NO U and panicked defenses aren't doing the civvies any favors, on the extreme off chance you are actually a civvie.
Now see you folks whenever.
Long Con wrote:MP: Black Rock survived because her killer was roleblocked.
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I went back through keys' posts to find one that I wanted to respond to (the Civvie secret decoding one), and I found another that I think got lost in the shuffle. I'll just address both in one post for efficiency.
keys56000000000 wrote:If it was indeed a Cyber that manipulated the vote and not Amy, then maybe it follows that Epignosis is a Cyber..
This concept seemed a lot more relevant when I was going on the assumption that the Cyber Head could just manipulate votes every lynch. Since the manipulation only happens ONCE in the game, and that's during the lynch directly after he randomly finds his body, I find it a) very unlikely that the Cybers messed with that lynch at all, and therefore b) unlikely that we can connect Epig to the Cyber team based on that manipulated vote.
keys56000000000 wrote:It's times like this that I wish we'd decode the civvie roles. I know what you're going to say, herrp don't give the mafia civvie info derpp. Here's the thing: the mafia are teams. They will have worked on those secret hangmans more than any individual player can, because they can work together, sharing info. I'm lazy. I have no one to work with. The result is that the mafia teams have probably cracked the secrets already, whilst a bunch of lonely civs such as myself have nothing, working in the dark.
I agree with keys. I just glanced at the Civvie secrets and decoded a lot on a single read-through. The baddies certainly have them all decoded by now.
I don't recall any responses to keys here, but I would like to hear some now. I'll be posting some Civvie role decodes in the thread when I get a chance to do them, so if you have a problem with that, let it be known before that happens and we'll talk about it.
Long Con wrote:And, just because I was not aware, due to not paying attention to Strax's actions.... it appears Strax only kills on even nights. I realize that probably everyone knew this and will be, like, "
THANKS, LC, for that pertinent info!" but... well, I only just got it.
And Elohcin survived a Strax kill. That's why she's not a suspect for having survived, it's because she's likely a Civvie because of it. So if Chris is a Civvie, then Strax has one more failsafe Civvie-kill-fail before he becomes dangerous to Civvies.
I wonder which baddie Made was?
All thoughts that I'm late to the party for, I'm sure.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Actually, you know what? Disregard what I said. I thought about this more. If Chris is The Master, he will just survive this lynch anyway. So if he is, maybe we should see if he gets NKed again. Additionally, the strict focus on him today, while it left less for me to catch up, makes it easier for baddies to just skate by today and latch onto a Chris vote. And although I really don't think he is Sarah Jane, or even Jack, there is the possibility that he is in fact that role and the first killer was blocked. AND although I think Chris's defense is very unconvincing and inadequate, at least in my opinion, I reserve the opinion that it means he could still be a lone civvie, just a very, very misguided one.
I've also been really thinking about Rox. Her recent fixation on Epig 2.0 even though she was being hypocritical... in an effort to seem like she's genuinely baddie hunting. Then I thought about why I found her suspicious REALLY early in the game and I just don't know that I think she's legitimately baddie hunting this game... maybe she is, but I think she honestly is our best lead at a Cyber at this point. The remainder of the game other than Epig 2.0, she has suspected Hedgeowl HARD but then dropped it completely and I've asked her SEVERAL TIMES why she has and she has failed to address my concern. I wonder if it was maybe distancing or a convenient target and she was hoping to drum up this case on Epig 2.0 instead. In addition, she latched onto mine and S~V~S's case that Daisy was bad earlier in the game because she was convinced the fact that both of us agreeing meant we were onto something. Her behavior has been really latchy and sneaky this game. If you don't believe me, go look for yourself and see if I'm right or off the mark.
Additionally, potentially cracking the Cybermen makes more sense. And a main reason I was sticking with Chris and not voting her today is because I haven't had the time to properly look back at Rox's posts. But I'm not going to let that make me ignore my gut. So you know what? Screw it. I really think Rox is bad. If Chris really is The Master, let another NK determine that. Let's not waste a lynch today, even if he is, because it'll just fail anyway, and then we'll have to either lynch him again or NK him.
On this note, again, I realize I haven't had the time to build a proper case, but I feel more confident in voting for Roxy. So I am switching my vote to her. I think people should look at her in more detail if they have the time.
NOW I really have to go because I have so much to do. Be back later!
I'm sorry it's so long, but that's ALL of the posts made from when I told MP that he'd get a lot more attention if I was lynched and turned up to be one of the roles I said I would be. It's almost as if you can see within the posts, who I suspect to be The Cybermen team collectively change their minds from voting me. You can see it actually happen with MP's posts, and you can see LC setting up his eventual change of his vote for me. MP even decided that it would be best to NK me instead? Why would he say that? Because a lynch shows me a civ, and a night kill does not. If I get night killed, there's no proof that I am who I say I am, and MP would be able to continue hiding behind the possibility of being one of the two civvie roles that can survive a night kill.
One other thing to note... as soon as it became evident that Roxy was going to take as many votes as me, LC switched his vote. My initial thought was "LC had to change his vote in order to hide the extra votes." Well, like I said earlier, LC couldn't have been the Head, since Epig didn't win the lynch. Now granted, maybe the head didn't find the body yet... but I just feel that it did. The whole "DON'T ASK ABOUT THE LYNCH TIE!' makes me think so...
So anyway, I think that within Roxy's voters, you'll find the Cybermen role checker, and possibly the CyberHead with his extra votes.
And I know there's the chance the Head didn't find his body yet. I'm just looking at all angles...
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I wonder who recruited Roxy? 
Hope to play another game soon with you though, Rox!
