RPG Mafia MAFIA WIN

[Le petit poussin]

Rask = LPP, right?

Correct. We playdd that boomer game on MU earlier this year. I wolfsided D1 and Blade vigged me

Lolol I forgot about that game. What a disaster for town

I'm definitely partially to blame

I wish I could tbh.

[Jackofhearts2005]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

scotty's post about as many of the wolves as possible needing to survive until a certain phase to maximize kills is of interest when placed next to my wifom theory regarding dunia

Yeah. But he uses that idea to push me and Tony, which is....yeah. Not the best use of that theory.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I remember very little about that game beyond being frustrated and right about Michelle and wrong about everything else and posting lots of boomer memes.

[Jackofhearts2005]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

scotty's post about as many of the wolves as possible needing to survive until a certain phase to maximize kills is of interest when placed next to my wifom theory regarding dunia

this would also explain w!hollowkatt's enthusiastic reply to scott's mech post

Agreed. Like if Dunya is a wolf, I think Scotty is a wolf because of the way they've treated each other. And if Dunya and Scotty are a wolf, it's a really bad look for HK. HK is townie in a vacuum but he's treated Scotty and Dunia as townier than they actually are with very subjective language. Like admitting that things about them are to a degree wolfy but not to a degree that would ever make him scumread them.

I don't actually trust my ability to pick out 3 wolves prior to any wolf flips on D2, though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

scotty's post about as many of the wolves as possible needing to survive until a certain phase to maximize kills is of interest when placed next to my wifom theory regarding dunia

this would also explain w!hollowkatt's enthusiastic reply to scott's mech post

i regret to inform myself that this world means scotty is town

wut? Like Dunia and HK are using WIFOM to make town Scotty look bad? I mean...I guess that's a possibility but it's not necessarily the case.

Actually....yeah, if there's one townie in that group, it might be Scotty over HK.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I still wanna yeet all three into the sun and let Mod sort them out.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dunia always goes first though. Based on like game theory and shit.

[Jackofhearts2005]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

This game is really messy for a lot of reasons if she is wolf. Too many people advocating her death that could be bussing, and then her spew and hard defending of others that also could be her partners.

If she is wolf, shes done a good job simultaneously throwing doubt about so many players and the behavior of said players makes it all that harder to sort

This is objectively true. Which is why I'm hardly looking at who Dunya is actually defending at all, once I determined her treatment of others was full of agenda. How others treat Dunia otoh...

[hollowkatt]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

tbh I want to believe in this

[hollowkatt]

fuck it, lets kill dunya
flipping dunya wolf makes jack look pretty good and I think that's a good thing. [VOTE: dunya] aubergine

[Le petit poussin]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

tbh I want to believe in this

I have something to say about this post, but not rn.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like holy balls TSP is the 5th highest poster and I don’t remember anything he’s said besides ‘dunya is bad’

This is honestly part of why Tony is always town, here.

As a wolf, I feel like Tony meanders a lot, blending in by not being blendy, if that makes sense. He's focused, here. He truly thinks he has correct reads on Dunya and myself. Wolf Tony doesn't have those surefire reads, especially on two players that are notoriously hard to yeet, where the flexibility of his vote could make a big difference in how the day goes.

[hollowkatt]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

tbh I want to believe in this

I have something to say about this post, but not rn.

shame.

[Urist]

hi good morning
i've realized that dunya is town sorry for the confusion

[hollowkatt]

hi good morning
i've realized that dunya is town sorry for the confusion

ok, in your world do town jack and town tsp push town dunya as their preferred chop for today

[Le petit poussin]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

tbh I want to believe in this

I have something to say about this post, but not rn.

shame.

Actually I am prolly wrong so nvm ( I thought you were baiting again using Jacks post)

[Marmot]

Someone: but you know, a wolf wouldn't be the top poster in the thread on day 2

Me: points to Highway Heist Hally

[Scotty]

Scotty, let's not call naa a game-throwing turd bucket.

I don't understand what he's doing with you either tbf

It’s a compliment. Think of all the flowers that could grow from him.

Regardless, my town read of him was hingeing on the idea that he believed what he was spouting about my tell. My digging into what he believes is my tell would tell me the truth of the matter.

Maybe I’ve missed it and it’s some bizarre puzzle, but I think it more likely that the whole thing was just a scheme for him to hide behind.
A) I get mislynched D1 because of it. NAA goes “oopsie! Add it to the statistics my bad”
B) I don’t get mislynched and I start to look like a less likely mislynch afterwards.

We’re in timeline B, and NAA just gets to shrug it off and do the bare minimum of reading people.

What other contributions has he made towards the solve of this game thus far?

[hollowkatt]

w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

tbh I want to believe in this

I have something to say about this post, but not rn.

shame.

Actually I am prolly wrong so nvm ( I thought you were baiting again using Jacks post)

lol no, not baiting this time.

Where I'm at is either I'm super wrong on dunya or I'm super right and jack/tsp are super wrong. if I'm super wrong then dunya is a wolf and hooray. If I'm super right then it's very likely that Jack/TSP contains min one wolf which is also hooray b/c we have a really good place to start doing things.

[Marmot]

Jack and hk, since you're both here, can I hear your reads on Rask?

[Jackofhearts2005]

A rainbow!
Jack
Tony
NAA
Syn
Marmot
Urist
Sig
Rask
Dolby
HK (this read has the potential to jump around alot)
Dya (as does this one)
Scotty
Dunia

Note how there is no light green, suggesting an uncanny amount of confidence in Jack's top 3 townreads and a large section of players he considers largely passive (at least when he's been online) in the yellow zone.

[hollowkatt]

Jack and hk, since you're both here, can I hear your reads on Rask?

Sure. I like him for town. He's playing in a way that is very familiar to me when he is town. His wolf games are a little more focused in terms of trying to accomplish things whereas here he's very much "I'm gonna say the things that pop into my head and idc really what people think of them"

He and I were a wolf hydra this past season and his play there was very much advancing an agenda and making targeted pushes. This isn't that Rask.

[Marmot]

Scotty, let's not call naa a game-throwing turd bucket.

I don't understand what he's doing with you either tbf

It’s a compliment. Think of all the flowers that could grow from him.

Regardless, my town read of him was hingeing on the idea that he believed what he was spouting about my tell. My digging into what he believes is my tell would tell me the truth of the matter.

Maybe I’ve missed it and it’s some bizarre puzzle, but I think it more likely that the whole thing was just a scheme for him to hide behind.
A) I get mislynched D1 because of it. NAA goes “oopsie! Add it to the statistics my bad”
B) I don’t get mislynched and I start to look like a less likely mislynch afterwards.

We’re in timeline B, and NAA just gets to shrug it off and do the bare minimum of reading people.

What other contributions has he made towards the solve of this game thus far?

I don't expect to be able to figure out his alignment based on his approach to the game. I expect to figure out his alignment based on how wolves are treating him.

I do agree with him that that because his approach isn't always apparent to everyone, it is easier for wolves to inevitably push him at some point (I've been guilty of this as a wolf), and I think it's easier to spot that than to figure out whether what NAA is doing is AI.


I dunno, that's my take on NAA

[Scotty]

Like holy balls TSP is the 5th highest poster and I don’t remember anything he’s said besides ‘dunya is bad’

This is honestly part of why Tony is always town, here.

As a wolf, I feel like Tony meanders a lot, blending in by not being blendy, if that makes sense. He's focused, here. He truly thinks he has correct reads on Dunya and myself. Wolf Tony doesn't have those surefire reads, especially on two players that are notoriously hard to yeet, where the flexibility of his vote could make a big difference in how the day goes.

I am by no means a TonyStakPrime expert, but for someone’s mafia game to be pared down to 0’s and 1’s in that he “never has surefire reads” is pretty blasé. I would think wolf Tony could change up his game to a better extent than that

[Jackofhearts2005]

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

tbh I want to believe in this

I have something to say about this post, but not rn.

shame.

Actually I am prolly wrong so nvm ( I thought you were baiting again using Jacks post)

lol no, not baiting this time.

Where I'm at is either I'm super wrong on dunya or I'm super right and jack/tsp are super wrong. if I'm super wrong then dunya is a wolf and hooray. If I'm super right then it's very likely that Jack/TSP contains min one wolf which is also hooray b/c we have a really good place to start doing things.

There's no way there's exactly 1 wolf in TSP/Jack. I would stake the game on Tony's alignment. But if that's what it takes to get you on the Dunya first path, fine.

[Urist]

i associate dunia's wolf game with ... b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

Do you have an example of this as her meta? I was actually thinking the opposite last night, that she's still salty from Mac's play in space invaders and would steer away from AtE-like things as mafia.

[Marmot]

A rainbow!
Jack
Tony
NAA
Syn
Marmot
Urist
Sig
Rask
Dolby
HK (this read has the potential to jump around alot)
Dya (as does this one)
Scotty
Dunia

Note how there is no light green, suggesting an uncanny amount of confidence in Jack's top 3 townreads and a large section of players he considers largely passive (at least when he's been online) in the yellow zone.

3 green townreads and 1 green marmot?

[Marmot]

But Jack! You didn't include Wilgy

[hollowkatt]

A rainbow!
Jack
Tony
NAA
Syn
Marmot
Urist
Sig
Rask
Dolby
HK (this read has the potential to jump around alot)
Dya (as does this one)
Scotty
Dunia

Note how there is no light green, suggesting an uncanny amount of confidence in Jack's top 3 townreads and a large section of players he considers largely passive (at least when he's been online) in the yellow zone.

I kinda wanna swap dya and dolby on your list but otherwise that's an accurate representation of where I've come to be. Yes that means I've flipped my reads on dunya and scotty mostly b/c I don't think those two can be town if you and tsp are town and if that world does exist the wolf team is going to be like Syn, Dolby, Rask or something completely fucked up like that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Like holy balls TSP is the 5th highest poster and I don’t remember anything he’s said besides ‘dunya is bad’

This is honestly part of why Tony is always town, here.

As a wolf, I feel like Tony meanders a lot, blending in by not being blendy, if that makes sense. He's focused, here. He truly thinks he has correct reads on Dunya and myself. Wolf Tony doesn't have those surefire reads, especially on two players that are notoriously hard to yeet, where the flexibility of his vote could make a big difference in how the day goes.

I am by no means a TonyStakPrime expert, but for someone’s mafia game to be pared down to 0’s and 1’s in that he “never has surefire reads” is pretty blasé. I would think wolf Tony could change up his game to a better extent than that

Tony's a skilled player, no doubt. I still think meta is like a thing. Toss out "never." There are a lot of things players are significantly more likely to do as town than wolf and vice versa and Tony is checking his town boxes without checking his wolf ones.

[Dolby]

Also, I’d like to hear why everybody who has voted LP thinks LP is scummy.

Admittedly, I normally lock LP in as town (or so obvious town, she must die) very quickly (like 2/2 games we’ve played together). I haven’t done that here. But she’s also the popular CW to the player I want yeeted and nobody has said (that I’ve read) a reason to scumread her that is even marginally compelling.

tbh if she wasn't posting not good logic line posts (SoD2 in particular) it's that she isn't obv town rn, unlike TF2

[hollowkatt]

But Jack! You didn't include Wilgy

or LP

[Scotty]

But Jack! You didn't include Wilgy

Or LP

[Marmot]

Your rainbow is also LP, Jack

[Jackofhearts2005]

But Jack! You didn't include Wilgy

Fuck.

Wilgy is my only light green read.

[Scotty]

HK will you marry me

[Jackofhearts2005]

Your rainbow is also LP, Jack

Along with LP

[Marmot]

Jack, Wilgy, LP are the mafia team confirmed.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

[Marmot]

Jack go look at Wilgy's ISO and tell me why he's light green.

[Dolby]

A rainbow!
Jack
Tony
NAA
Syn
Marmot
Urist
Sig
Rask
Dolby
HK (this read has the potential to jump around alot)
Dya (as does this one)
Scotty
Dunia

Note how there is no light green, suggesting an uncanny amount of confidence in Jack's top 3 townreads and a large section of players he considers largely passive (at least when he's been online) in the yellow zone.

I kinda wanna swap dya and dolby on your list but otherwise that's an accurate representation of where I've come to be. Yes that means I've flipped my reads on dunya and scotty mostly b/c I don't think those two can be town if you and tsp are town and if that world does exist the wolf team is going to be like Syn, Dolby, Rask or something completely fucked up like that.

Weren't you hard townreading me

Also what happened to CFC gang?

[hollowkatt]

HK will you marry me

no sorry. I swore off marriage in 2013

[Jackofhearts2005]

A better rainbow!
Jack
Tony
NAA
Syn
Marmot
Wilgy (largely a gamestate read that could change if Dunya is town)
LP (also a gamestate read that could change a LOT if Dunya is town because there is one compelling reason to scumread her, that she's not obviously town on her own merits)
Urist
Sig
Rask
Dolby
HK (this read has the potential to jump around alot because I don't think all of my oranges are wolves)
Dya (as does this one for the same reason)
Scotty
Dunia

[Scotty]

HK will you marry me

no sorry. I swore off marriage in 2013

It’s ok
My wife doesn’t believe in polyamorous relationships anyway

[Jackofhearts2005]

A better rainbow!
Jack
Tony
NAA
Syn
Marmot
Wilgy (largely a gamestate read that could change if Dunya is town)
LP (also a gamestate read that could change a LOT if Dunya is town because there is one compelling reason to scumread her, that she's not obviously town on her own merits)
Urist
Sig
Rask
Dolby
HK (this read has the potential to jump around alot because I don't think all of my oranges are wolves)
Dya (as does this one for the same reason)
Scotty
Dunia

In fact, all of my light greens and oranges are placed largely based on the certainty of my Dunia wolfread. A lot of stuff changes if she happens to be town, though I'm pretty damn sure she isn't.

[Marmot]

I was half-joking, but I don't understand how Jack completely misses Wilgy in his rainbow (or LP for that matter) and then puts him in at light green.

I would like an explanation for that read.

[Scotty]

A better rainbow!
Jack
Tony
NAA
Syn
Marmot
Wilgy (largely a gamestate read that could change if Dunya is town)
LP (also a gamestate read that could change a LOT if Dunya is town because there is one compelling reason to scumread her, that she's not obviously town on her own merits)
Urist
Sig
Rask
Dolby
HK (this read has the potential to jump around alot because I don't think all of my oranges are wolves)
Dya (as does this one for the same reason)
Scotty
Dunia

Is your SR of me directly correlated to dunia flipping bad?

Why am I specifically bad in your eyes?

[Scotty]

A better rainbow!
Jack
Tony
NAA
Syn
Marmot
Wilgy (largely a gamestate read that could change if Dunya is town)
LP (also a gamestate read that could change a LOT if Dunya is town because there is one compelling reason to scumread her, that she's not obviously town on her own merits)
Urist
Sig
Rask
Dolby
HK (this read has the potential to jump around alot because I don't think all of my oranges are wolves)
Dya (as does this one for the same reason)
Scotty
Dunia

In fact, all of my light greens and oranges are placed largely based on the certainty of my Dunia wolfread. A lot of stuff changes if she happens to be town, though I'm pretty damn sure she isn't.

We’ll that’s pretty lazy ngl

[Urist]

This game is frustrating me to no end

you're a bad person

[Marmot]

Jack is theory-crafting

[Urist]

hi good morning
i've realized that dunya is town sorry for the confusion

ok, in your world do town jack and town tsp push town dunya as their preferred chop for today

nope