Veggie Wars Mafia [TOWN WIN]

[NotAnAxehole]

So if Falcon has a 70% chance of scum reading town, his odds of having exclusively scum read town after 7 scum reads would be ~8.2% - or a 92 % that group of 8 contains mafia... This is just an extreme example with horrible odds. Eventually, if I get good enough at calculating this at a glance, I should near 90% percent accuracy, and that's really the goal of this experiment.

[falcon45ca]

What..? No..? You do realize this is a set up with only 2 miss elims right?

So... Even a PoE of 4 is losing right now. Basic math..?

So who's Maf when I flip green?


You've got static world views that don't have to be true...like, you're not even truly considering them to possibly be wrong.


You have MR as lock town. That's absurd

I've answered this question repeatedly & Seanzie recently mentioned it too - which basically tells me you're pretending to be here, but you're really not paying attention to anything I've written, or anything that's been discussed in the thread as of recent.

I'm sorry, but I read your answer of a world w/o me as Maf as "Mac + 1", and that's pretty damn narrow, static, and superficial IMO


There's a difference between pretending to be here and just not buying your explanation.


Also, "pretending to be here"...like your superficial (and self admittedly so) read on me? That's not pretending?

Ok, so your plan is to tell me you're going to flip green, and ask me to form a larger PoE (which is also losing)... I'll stick to my original reads & my own game solving process tyvm. If I'm wrong, I'll look to see why my reads were wrong in post-game like I do every time.

I'm giving my perspective and asking for someone to convince me of another world that makes more sense and that has the possibility of being winning, Mac says too tired, and Falcon arbitrarily says my reads are too specific and I need to revert to a guaranteed losing stance. I don't really know what to make of it other than /ignore.

Are we just waiting for the cop to come in and save us? That's a plan, not a very good one... But as long as we're rolling dice, I don't see anything else netting the win.

If LC flipped red first, where would you go from there

If LC flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac.

If Ender flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Fingers flipped red, I would flip Mac

If Seanzie flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Porscha flipped red, I would flip Mac

If MR flipped red, I would throw my entire decision making tree in the garbage and quit mafia

Did I miss anyone?

I'm starting to TR you, so let's work together instead of against

[NotAnAxehole]

So who's Maf when I flip green?


You've got static world views that don't have to be true...like, you're not even truly considering them to possibly be wrong.


You have MR as lock town. That's absurd

I've answered this question repeatedly & Seanzie recently mentioned it too - which basically tells me you're pretending to be here, but you're really not paying attention to anything I've written, or anything that's been discussed in the thread as of recent.

I'm sorry, but I read your answer of a world w/o me as Maf as "Mac + 1", and that's pretty damn narrow, static, and superficial IMO


There's a difference between pretending to be here and just not buying your explanation.


Also, "pretending to be here"...like your superficial (and self admittedly so) read on me? That's not pretending?

Ok, so your plan is to tell me you're going to flip green, and ask me to form a larger PoE (which is also losing)... I'll stick to my original reads & my own game solving process tyvm. If I'm wrong, I'll look to see why my reads were wrong in post-game like I do every time.

I'm giving my perspective and asking for someone to convince me of another world that makes more sense and that has the possibility of being winning, Mac says too tired, and Falcon arbitrarily says my reads are too specific and I need to revert to a guaranteed losing stance. I don't really know what to make of it other than /ignore.

Are we just waiting for the cop to come in and save us? That's a plan, not a very good one... But as long as we're rolling dice, I don't see anything else netting the win.

If LC flipped red first, where would you go from there

If LC flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac.

If Ender flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Fingers flipped red, I would flip Mac

If Seanzie flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Porscha flipped red, I would flip Mac

If MR flipped red, I would throw my entire decision making tree in the garbage and quit mafia

Did I miss anyone?

I'm starting to TR you, so let's work together instead of against

Ok, kill Mac, he's trying to pocket you.

[falcon45ca]

I've answered this question repeatedly & Seanzie recently mentioned it too - which basically tells me you're pretending to be here, but you're really not paying attention to anything I've written, or anything that's been discussed in the thread as of recent.

I'm sorry, but I read your answer of a world w/o me as Maf as "Mac + 1", and that's pretty damn narrow, static, and superficial IMO


There's a difference between pretending to be here and just not buying your explanation.


Also, "pretending to be here"...like your superficial (and self admittedly so) read on me? That's not pretending?

Ok, so your plan is to tell me you're going to flip green, and ask me to form a larger PoE (which is also losing)... I'll stick to my original reads & my own game solving process tyvm. If I'm wrong, I'll look to see why my reads were wrong in post-game like I do every time.

I'm giving my perspective and asking for someone to convince me of another world that makes more sense and that has the possibility of being winning, Mac says too tired, and Falcon arbitrarily says my reads are too specific and I need to revert to a guaranteed losing stance. I don't really know what to make of it other than /ignore.

Are we just waiting for the cop to come in and save us? That's a plan, not a very good one... But as long as we're rolling dice, I don't see anything else netting the win.

If LC flipped red first, where would you go from there

If LC flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac.

If Ender flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Fingers flipped red, I would flip Mac

If Seanzie flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Porscha flipped red, I would flip Mac

If MR flipped red, I would throw my entire decision making tree in the garbage and quit mafia

Did I miss anyone?

I'm starting to TR you, so let's work together instead of against

Ok, kill Mac, he's trying to pocket you.

He does do that

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[Seanzie]

Uhh... we have 7 wagons with 9 players an hour before EoD... we should probably consolidate.

I'mma go for a run, and when I get back if people haven't piled on Fingers I'mma cry and scream until I get my way since Fingers is clear scum here I'mma ISO the top wagons.

In the mean time, please consolidate, because as they say "this wagon formation always catches a wolf".

[MacDougall]

Oh my god

[MacDougall]

The day is ending in 66 minutes and these are the wagons. No doubt this end of day will end well.

[MacDougall]

I'm sorry, but I read your answer of a world w/o me as Maf as "Mac + 1", and that's pretty damn narrow, static, and superficial IMO


There's a difference between pretending to be here and just not buying your explanation.


Also, "pretending to be here"...like your superficial (and self admittedly so) read on me? That's not pretending?

Ok, so your plan is to tell me you're going to flip green, and ask me to form a larger PoE (which is also losing)... I'll stick to my original reads & my own game solving process tyvm. If I'm wrong, I'll look to see why my reads were wrong in post-game like I do every time.

I'm giving my perspective and asking for someone to convince me of another world that makes more sense and that has the possibility of being winning, Mac says too tired, and Falcon arbitrarily says my reads are too specific and I need to revert to a guaranteed losing stance. I don't really know what to make of it other than /ignore.

Are we just waiting for the cop to come in and save us? That's a plan, not a very good one... But as long as we're rolling dice, I don't see anything else netting the win.

If LC flipped red first, where would you go from there

If LC flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac.

If Ender flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Fingers flipped red, I would flip Mac

If Seanzie flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Porscha flipped red, I would flip Mac

If MR flipped red, I would throw my entire decision making tree in the garbage and quit mafia

Did I miss anyone?

I'm starting to TR you, so let's work together instead of against

Ok, kill Mac, he's trying to pocket you.

He does do that

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Do I? When as mafia have I tried to pocket you?

What is the pro mafia agenda in me coming in after day 1 not posting and hard shielding you all day.

You really just have no qualms voting me out right here?

Crazy times kids. Crazy times.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

This town is awful and I no longer wish to be a part of it.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

Why is Mac going over?

[MacDougall]

I say we do another four way rand again.

"Obvious town MR".

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

Why is Mac going over?

Well I have spent most of today trying to argue with NAA and shielding Falcon and seemed to be getting somewhere before I went to sleep. But then I woke up to NAA having convinced Falcon that I am a wolf trying to pocket him (or Falcon simply being given an out by him to vote a town) and as such lost all of will to give a shit and voted myself.

[EnderWiggin]

Well this is spiffy. How the hell did it end up at Mac and me.

[EnderWiggin]

I have shit going on, can't backread rn. Will be online again in 20-30ish to try and work out what the fresh hell happened when I wasn't able to pay attention.

[MacDougall]

@Seanzie does it help if I say it's a Mac read?

And I've used it before

You really are difficult to deal with when you get in this mode dude.

[MacDougall]

Can you flesh out your sus a bit?




Also, why are you so (seemingly) comfortable w NAAs lock town read on you? I'd think it would make you wary of his slot, no?

I already made this read Falcon. Seanzie "didn't like it" and MR just ignored it.

But I'm mafia trying to pocket you apparently.

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine Just to get my vote off my vanity from last night.

[MacDougall]

Well this is spiffy. How the hell did it end up at Mac and me.

Mac and you? What votecount are you reading?

[EnderWiggin]

Well this is spiffy. How the hell did it end up at Mac and me.

Mac and you? What votecount are you reading?

The one where a lot of people have 1 vote and I have 2 and you have 3?

[MacDougall]

What..? No..? You do realize this is a set up with only 2 miss elims right?

So... Even a PoE of 4 is losing right now. Basic math..?

So who's Maf when I flip green?


You've got static world views that don't have to be true...like, you're not even truly considering them to possibly be wrong.


You have MR as lock town. That's absurd

I've answered this question repeatedly & Seanzie recently mentioned it too - which basically tells me you're pretending to be here, but you're really not paying attention to anything I've written, or anything that's been discussed in the thread as of recent.

I'm sorry, but I read your answer of a world w/o me as Maf as "Mac + 1", and that's pretty damn narrow, static, and superficial IMO


There's a difference between pretending to be here and just not buying your explanation.


Also, "pretending to be here"...like your superficial (and self admittedly so) read on me? That's not pretending?

Ok, so your plan is to tell me you're going to flip green, and ask me to form a larger PoE (which is also losing)... I'll stick to my original reads & my own game solving process tyvm. If I'm wrong, I'll look to see why my reads were wrong in post-game like I do every time.

I'm giving my perspective and asking for someone to convince me of another world that makes more sense and that has the possibility of being winning, Mac says too tired, and Falcon arbitrarily says my reads are too specific and I need to revert to a guaranteed losing stance. I don't really know what to make of it other than /ignore.

Are we just waiting for the cop to come in and save us? That's a plan, not a very good one... But as long as we're rolling dice, I don't see anything else netting the win.

If LC flipped red first, where would you go from there

If LC flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac.

If Ender flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Fingers flipped red, I would flip Mac

If Seanzie flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Porscha flipped red, I would flip Mac

If MR flipped red, I would throw my entire decision making tree in the garbage and quit mafia

Did I miss anyone?

This is the worst post in the history of mafia if you are town.

[MacDougall]

Well this is spiffy. How the hell did it end up at Mac and me.

Mac and you? What votecount are you reading?

The one where a lot of people have 1 vote and I have 2 and you have 3?

I am self voting and 2 votes is not much more than 1. You're acting like these are formed out wagons.

[MacDougall]

I might also be a tiny bit scarred from Hally and C4 snowing me in Highway Mafia. I knew something was wrong there but never could quite SR the two active voices driving conversations forward. This time I'm going straight to those slots instead.

Who do you feel those voices are right now?

Ender and LC. More variety today but throughout D1 those two were in the perfect spot of being town read by virtue of having thread presence whereas everyone else barely had a pulse.

I've seen them as partnered from D1, so how about we

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

LC is voting Ender and further on you call your POE Ender and FS, then you eventually just vote me because NAA says I'm pocketing you.

This game is legitimately on crack.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine Just to get my vote off my vanity from last night.

Who actually does this lol

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

I have no desire to participate in this EOD phase. This is where my vote will stay. Please vote me out so I do not have to go through another day of it.

[falcon45ca]

Ok, so your plan is to tell me you're going to flip green, and ask me to form a larger PoE (which is also losing)... I'll stick to my original reads & my own game solving process tyvm. If I'm wrong, I'll look to see why my reads were wrong in post-game like I do every time.

I'm giving my perspective and asking for someone to convince me of another world that makes more sense and that has the possibility of being winning, Mac says too tired, and Falcon arbitrarily says my reads are too specific and I need to revert to a guaranteed losing stance. I don't really know what to make of it other than /ignore.

Are we just waiting for the cop to come in and save us? That's a plan, not a very good one... But as long as we're rolling dice, I don't see anything else netting the win.

If LC flipped red first, where would you go from there

If LC flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac.

If Ender flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Fingers flipped red, I would flip Mac

If Seanzie flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Porscha flipped red, I would flip Mac

If MR flipped red, I would throw my entire decision making tree in the garbage and quit mafia

Did I miss anyone?

I'm starting to TR you, so let's work together instead of against

Ok, kill Mac, he's trying to pocket you.

He does do that

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Do I? When as mafia have I tried to pocket you?

What is the pro mafia agenda in me coming in after day 1 not posting and hard shielding you all day.

You really just have no qualms voting me out right here?

Crazy times kids. Crazy times.

Oh don't act as tho you haven't, that's not true and we both know it

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

At the risk of coming across as a fool,

I currently TR all of NAA, Mac, and Falcon.

[Master Radishes]

NAA says that's impossible.


I say dream big.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

This town is awful and I no longer wish to be a part of it.

Eh... I get that the gamestate today has been pretty bad, and honestly I'm not keen on either top wagon right now, but giving up isn't going to help anything.

Did you look at Finger's ISO and read what I wrote? I am really confused why she hasn't gotten more attention. I know you said she looked "pure", but honestly I don't see it. I think she's a hit. Minimally better than either Ender or Falcon IMO.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine Just to get my vote off my vanity from last night.

Eh this is a bad reason to vote Falcon. Do you have a reason to scumread Falcon? What do you think of Fingersplints?

[Seanzie]

Is day ending in like 20 minutes and I'm alone in the thread?

[Seanzie]

Well great

[MacDougall]

No

[Master Radishes]

I'm probably just gonna stay here and go to bed.


Feel free to flash wagon me.

[Seanzie]

No

If this is in response to my question I asked you, then please go read Fingersplints ISO. It's less than a page, so it shouldn't take long.

[Seanzie]

I'm probably just gonna stay here and go to bed.


Feel free to flash wagon me.

if you insist [VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine

[MacDougall]

No

If this is in response to my question I asked you, then please go read Fingersplints ISO. It's less than a page, so it shouldn't take long.

It was in response to your post talking about whether you're here alone.

Irt your Fingersplints post... ok.

[Seanzie]

I'm probably just gonna stay here and go to bed.


Feel free to flash wagon me.

if you insist [VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine

For legal reasons, this is a joke, even though I'd vote MR over Ender/Falcon, but really think people should consider Fingersplints.

[EnderWiggin]

Well I'm a serious wagon now Mac. =P

[EnderWiggin]

Good job on wagon choices though. Stellar. I don't know Mac is town but I'm pretty sure and I know I'm town.

[MacDougall]

Read FS's ISO, can be wolf but don't think she is.

Why are you opposed to Ender/Falcon @Seanzie?

[Seanzie]

Well I'm a serious wagon now Mac. =P

You should vote Fingersplints. Falcon is not a good wagon.

[EnderWiggin]

I do however know NAA is town.

[EnderWiggin]

Can any of you guess why?

The answer is why this wagon is the most annoying thing this game.

[EnderWiggin]

I'll answer it for y'all because I'm annoyed.

I'm cop. Good job wagoning the Cabbage Cop.

NAA, congrats on being the NK after me because you're greenchecked.

[Seanzie]

Read FS's ISO, can be wolf but don't think she is.

Why are you opposed to Ender/Falcon @Seanzie?

I think they're both town. The biggest case against Ender I've seen is that he has been active, which... isn't a good case. Looking through his ISO, I feel fine about him.

The way Falcon's wagon progressed today makes me think he was today's designated wolfbait, probably decided because enough people showed interested in Falcon's wagon early on that it felt like town would bite there too, but the wagon took a sour turn halfway through. Fingersplints has been frozen on him (I mean tbf she has been afk most of today, but her read did an unexplained 180 from D1 to D2 and has been stuck in the exact same spot all D2).

[EnderWiggin]

Whose scum? Idfk. I'd like to put Falcon back on because his wagon disintegrating overnight is bothering me but I also haven't read shit this morning.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

[EnderWiggin]

If I die to votes I swear.

[EnderWiggin]

Oh cool, people are around.

[Lime Coke]

I'll answer it for y'all because I'm annoyed.

I'm cop. Good job wagoning the Cabbage Cop.

NAA, congrats on being the NK after me because you're greenchecked.

Why in the blue fuck do you check him?