Veggie Wars Mafia [TOWN WIN]

[NotAnAxehole]

I'm very clearly the cop, and Fingers is town.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

[Lime Coke]

NAA is technically correct.

[Lime Coke]

And yes, if Ender flips cop, this is a gamethrow.

[NotAnAxehole]

And yes, if Ender flips cop, this is a gamethrow.

We don't often agree on what is game throwing, but in this case we do.

I'm going to let everyone check in & we can hammer whenever really. I'll leave it up to the town that are going to live through the day to decide.

[Porscha]

okay the cop and counter cop claim just gave me whiplash

[Porscha]

Oh wait, no because mafia venge kill will end me today, so you all actually have to find the last mafia.

what is venge kill. how does it work

and does FPS mean like ... first person shooting or something else LOL

[Porscha]

Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.

why did you choose to reveal here instead of in your previous posts. was it only to defend fingers since I brought them up?

[Master Radishes]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

[Master Radishes]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Oh right, or Porscha. I never did find a good reason to TR them; just a general decent vibe.

I'd probably still look at LC first.

[Master Radishes]

I also really want it to be Ender/LC because I'd be a genius.

How about we all come together to vote Ender?

I might also be a tiny bit scarred from Hally and C4 snowing me in Highway Mafia. I knew something was wrong there but never could quite SR the two active voices driving conversations forward. This time I'm going straight to those slots instead.

Who do you feel those voices are right now?

Ender and LC. More variety today but throughout D1 those two were in the perfect spot of being town read by virtue of having thread presence whereas everyone else barely had a pulse.

At the risk of coming across as a fool,

I currently TR all of NAA, Mac, and Falcon.

[Master Radishes]

I've now jinxed it and Ender is indeed the real cop and NAA is fpsing and it's seanzie/porscha or something.

Oh well. Dare to dream.

[Lime Coke]

Oh wait, no because mafia venge kill will end me today, so you all actually have to find the last mafia.

what is venge kill. how does it work

and does FPS mean like ... first person shooting or something else LOL

FPS means "Fancy play syndrome" where you fakeclaim something in order to provide cover or try to get a person you scumread yeeted.

[Lime Coke]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

[Lime Coke]

I've now jinxed it and Ender is indeed the real cop and NAA is fpsing and it's seanzie/porscha or something.

Oh well. Dare to dream.

He isn't really retracting so I'm inclined to believe him.

[Lime Coke]

This is all kind of tangled up too.

Because Ender has NAA inno, then FS as mafia.

NAA has MR and FS inno...


And literally as I'm writing it, it's either Ender mafia or NAA just throwing.
Probably Ender mafia.

[Lime Coke]

I'm circling the wagons here.

Leaving everyone out of the claim hell.

Porscha probably town for the attempted DADV read and how she's posting today.

Annnnnd Seanzie was here when Ender claimed and tried to get FS CFD'd at EOD and has been oddly quiet this game.

Probably just Seanzie if Ender is mafia.

[Master Radishes]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

[Porscha]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus

[Lime Coke]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus

Ender claimed cop at the end of the day yesterday while he was wagoned, with an inno on NAA and claimed to have a guilty check on Finger today.

NAA claimed cop today and said that MR and Finger are his innocent checks both nights.

[Master Radishes]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus

It's neither. It''s me. I have a red check on both Ender and NAA.

[Master Radishes]

NAA,

Why did you check me instead of your top SR Falcon on N1?

[Master Radishes]

Also with Falc flopping green, why check FS instead of Mac who was your other SR?

[Lime Coke]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

You're kind of an enigma to me so I don't know what you would be doing, although it would have some sort of ulterior motive regardless of alignment because you're PR savvy enough.

You do bring up a good point to the game being slow and easier to read based off of that so probably dumb of me to think you'd miss it.

[Porscha]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus

Ender claimed cop at the end of the day yesterday while he was wagoned, with an inno on NAA and claimed to have a guilty check on Finger today.

NAA claimed cop today and said that MR and Finger are his innocent checks both nights.

okay yes I understand but I am unsure of what to believe here is my issue

did Ender have majority wagon and then reveal cop literally just to save himself or what was the context there

[Lime Coke]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus

Ender claimed cop at the end of the day yesterday while he was wagoned, with an inno on NAA and claimed to have a guilty check on Finger today.

NAA claimed cop today and said that MR and Finger are his innocent checks both nights.

okay yes I understand but I am unsure of what to believe here is my issue

did Ender have majority wagon and then reveal cop literally just to save himself or what was the context there

Ender was the leading wagon at that time, which was when he decided to claim. Which, if Ender is mafia then he did it to 1. Save himself and yeet a town member and 2. Possibly get the real cop to out so that the mafia can target them and waste the body guard/the cop themselves the next night.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

Why is Mac going over?

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

I have no desire to participate in this EOD phase. This is where my vote will stay. Please vote me out so I do not have to go through another day of it.

If LC flipped red first, where would you go from there

If LC flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac.

If Ender flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Fingers flipped red, I would flip Mac

If Seanzie flipped red, I would flip Falcon and Mac

If Porscha flipped red, I would flip Mac

If MR flipped red, I would throw my entire decision making tree in the garbage and quit mafia

Did I miss anyone?

I'm starting to TR you, so let's work together instead of against

Ok, kill Mac, he's trying to pocket you.

He does do that

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Do I? When as mafia have I tried to pocket you?

What is the pro mafia agenda in me coming in after day 1 not posting and hard shielding you all day.

You really just have no qualms voting me out right here?

Crazy times kids. Crazy times.

Oh don't act as tho you haven't, that's not true and we both know it

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

I'll answer it for y'all because I'm annoyed.

I'm cop. Good job wagoning the Cabbage Cop.

NAA, congrats on being the NK after me because you're greenchecked.

@Porscha

I don't know who the fourth voter was but basically Ender wagon built up at EOD and then he claimed.

[Porscha]

I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.


My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.

Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?

Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus

Ender claimed cop at the end of the day yesterday while he was wagoned, with an inno on NAA and claimed to have a guilty check on Finger today.

NAA claimed cop today and said that MR and Finger are his innocent checks both nights.

okay yes I understand but I am unsure of what to believe here is my issue

did Ender have majority wagon and then reveal cop literally just to save himself or what was the context there

Ender was the leading wagon at that time, which was when he decided to claim. Which, if Ender is mafia then he did it to 1. Save himself and yeet a town member and 2. Possibly get the real cop to out so that the mafia can target them and waste the body guard/the cop themselves the next night.

okay I like this thought process --

[Porscha]

I will say later today what result was. But I'm just gonna keep it under my thumb for now.

Why?

Because outing redchecks ruins people's reactions.

I want to see everyone enter thread.

Fair enough.

Do you have a fixed idea of what you think you might accomplish? No need to answer in the thread, just curious about what you're expecting to get out of this.

TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.

TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.

I half suspect this is what people are trying to make it out to be but leaving me uncced doesn't actually accomplish that so idk what's going on.

TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.

I half suspect this is what people are trying to make it out to be but leaving me uncced doesn't actually accomplish that so idk what's going on.

I mean, if you're mafia, someone will CC. We know the cop is alive.

I don't get Seanzie making that kill though, I doubt he'd be suboptimal about the kill?

I don't understand the logic of the Mac kill from any perspective at the moment...

Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.

I dont understand this progression from NAA tbh

[Lime Coke]

I will say later today what result was. But I'm just gonna keep it under my thumb for now.

Why?

Because outing redchecks ruins people's reactions.

I want to see everyone enter thread.

Fair enough.

Do you have a fixed idea of what you think you might accomplish? No need to answer in the thread, just curious about what you're expecting to get out of this.

TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.

TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.

I half suspect this is what people are trying to make it out to be but leaving me uncced doesn't actually accomplish that so idk what's going on.

TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.

I half suspect this is what people are trying to make it out to be but leaving me uncced doesn't actually accomplish that so idk what's going on.

I mean, if you're mafia, someone will CC. We know the cop is alive.

I don't get Seanzie making that kill though, I doubt he'd be suboptimal about the kill?

I don't understand the logic of the Mac kill from any perspective at the moment...

Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.

I dont understand this progression from NAA tbh

Yeah which is why people are afraid that he's fake claiming and getting the real cop killed here.

Problem is that he actually can't be mafia doing this because Ender has him as a green check from N1.

[Lime Coke]

Like the argument here literally isn't

"Who's the real cop? Ender or Axehole?"

The argument is-

"Is Axehole the real cop or is he making a play that's going to get the cop killed and fuck town over because something weird happened?"

And yes...it wouldn't surprise people if it was the second option...

[Porscha]

um okay so from what I understand, this back and forth is NAA is already calling Ender's cop claim fake just to not get voted off; ender says hes worried people will think that; NAA says, haha well cop would cc you since he's still alive" and then like 2 hours later when ender falls off NAA just randomly throws that reveal out there

TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.

I half suspect this is what people are trying to make it out to be but leaving me uncced doesn't actually accomplish that so idk what's going on.

I mean, if you're mafia, someone will CC. We know the cop is alive.

[Lime Coke]

You know...the sad part is that every time I see an actual cop in a game it never goes well or it doesn't go straight forward...it's gotta be the wackiest thing ever.

I'm not saying I hate having a cop with checks in the game...but for whatever reason when they exist everything gets fucked up somehow.

[Porscha]

so NAA is like "oh not only did you randomly lie about being cop to save your ass, you also are continuing the lie by calling out a red check? lmao ok" but seems to hold off on revealing this UNTIL AFTER he has confirmed with you, LC, that you both think i'm town. ender has now not been in thread for a couple hours and comes back with his read. LC, you also flip between believing NAA, then believing Ender, then back to NAA once NAA convinces you that mech wise this is the most likely outcome. do you actually agree with ender or LC

[fingersplints]

Well I have the benefit in this situation of knowing who is lying since I know I am not mafia

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

[Porscha]

I'm going to point out that NAA hasn't even voted me despite me being "confirmed" mafia from his perspective. He's FPSing because he's concerned about the night kill.

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

I was going to try baiting other people by making them think I got a red somewhere else.

The clear mech play is to believe the cop that was green checked by the other cop. If I am VT derailing a red check, you can report me for game throwing, and the mods will side with you.

- this of course makes sense

And yes, if Ender flips cop, this is a gamethrow.

- ender couldn't flip cop based on mech and would just be a wolf. that's the only real possibility based on him clearing NAA. I could see ender targeting fingers as an eeeaassy lynch target and maybe hope fingers is the actual cop who doesn't come around fast enough and gets hammered? seems like a lot of what ifs to go through. my guess is just targeted fingers as low hanging fruit as final mislynch for wolves to win

[fingersplints]

Is Seanzie paired then with his last day sudden push on me

[Lime Coke]

so NAA is like "oh not only did you randomly lie about being cop to save your ass, you also are continuing the lie by calling out a red check? lmao ok" but seems to hold off on revealing this UNTIL AFTER he has confirmed with you, LC, that you both think i'm town. ender has now not been in thread for a couple hours and comes back with his read. LC, you also flip between believing NAA, then believing Ender, then back to NAA once NAA convinces you that mech wise this is the most likely outcome. do you actually agree with ender or LC

Okay so if you read from what I've been posting while you're here figuring this out-

First of all, the reason I believed the NAA claim at first was because of the fact that he was calling MR "obvious town" for no reason, and that Falcon and Mac kept saying "Why are you calling MR obvious town when he's scummy?" And then Mac outs a post saying that he forgot this isn't mountainous (No power roles) and that there are PR's here.
If you remember, you were asking me about what I was hiding in my head, and I was being super vague and wasn't answering you with what I had in mind.
I was thinking that NAA was indeed the cop that had a N1 green check on Radishes.

However the claim stuff happened EOD2 so at the moment that flushed it all away.

Now today happens, and NAA claims that he is the cop with a green check on Radishes and Fingersplints, and I believed him because I had that read in my head.

HOWEVER

There's an odd suspicion in my head that NAA is just FPS'ing/fake claiming because he would do this type of thing.
So that's why when Ender came back into the thread, his reaction was that of "For fucks sake, don't be a gamethrower again" and I told him to out his check, which happened to be Finger guilty.

However NAA hard claimed cop and posted this...

The clear mech play is to believe the cop that was green checked by the other cop. If I am VT derailing a red check, you can report me for game throwing, and the mods will side with you.

Which is true

When there's a cop counterclaim "battle" and Cop Claim A has an innocent report on Cop Claim B, then that means Cop Claim A is mafia because he just inno'd his CC.

So overall it would mean Ender is mafia if everything is set in stone.

[Lime Coke]

I wrote that out and Porscha already explained it.

I am both 1. Slow as fuck and 2. Explaining the obvious at this point.

[Lime Coke]

Is Seanzie paired then with his last day sudden push on me

He probably is because I doubt Porscha is mafia here.

If Porscha is mafia here I'm bingewatching whatever show she picks out and I'll write a full review on it.

[Master Radishes]

Okay damn I'm not a genius. LC seems town here now.

[Master Radishes]

I think NAA is savvy enough to know that if he's FPSing here he can't afford to hold on to his claim forever. Doing it now forces reactions but holding it all round would be effectively throwing.

So now we wait to see if he retracts or not.

[Master Radishes]

I think only seanzie hasn't reacted so I don't mind saying such things as it won't contaminate the evidence.

[Lime Coke]

Porscha quiet right now because she's picking out what show I'm going to be watching and I'm going to hate myself for making that statement in a few days.

[fingersplints]

I think you are right about Porscha.

Reading both Ender and Seanzie they did a lot of defending of each other, which makes sense to me given the numbers of this game

[Porscha]

Is Seanzie paired then with his last day sudden push on me

He probably is because I doubt Porscha is mafia here.

If Porscha is mafia here I'm bingewatching whatever show she picks out and I'll write a full review on it.

lmao

[fingersplints]

I’ve been looking for this post to try and remember who said it and it took me way too long.

Seanzie yesterday made a point to say I could be paired with more than just Mac (probably because he knew already that was who the kill would be)

@Seanzie I think Fingersplints can only be with Mac which from my PoV makes fingerspints always a bad kill, thoughts?

I don't agree that there absolutely has to be at least one mafia in Mac/Falcon, so if you are not willing to consider solves without this condition, then I don't know what to tell you. If you are willing to consider this, then I'd say that many people could be with Fingersplints. I think Fingersplints/Falcon and Fingersplints/Porscha are unlikely, and probably Fingersplints/LC is not the team since Fingersplints echoed someone else's echo of Nook's misgivings about LC, but otherwise I don't see anything eliminating pairs with Fingersplints.

So, my thoughts are unless you can convince me of your Mac/Falcon worldview, I don't agree that Fingersplints is a bad kill.

[fingersplints]

Well I’ve read Seanzie’s ISO (it didn’t take long, it’s less than a page )
And there is so much defence of Ender, pushing me when Ender still had two votes, and his interactions with Ender felt forced. So to me it confirms yea it’s definitely the pair. Others should read it though and see how they feel.

No

If this is in response to my question I asked you, then please go read Fingersplints ISO. It's less than a page, so it shouldn't take long.

[Porscha]

can someone please link me seanzie's ISO

[Lime Coke]

can someone please link me seanzie's ISO

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