Osie's 18th Circle of Hell Game Thread - Day 4

[Chihiro]

Well there has yet to be any confirmation of spies existing or what their wincon may be.

[FoolsGold]

is there any confirmation I what other faction is evil, that's not town?

no confirmation
but my speculation is that village and rebel are also evil and wolves and spies are good in the 2nd world

[TreeReaper]

this push on crichard is rubbish, you think he just decides to make up a citizen faction and claim it as scum?

In the same vein I can ask why Whysper decides to randomly claim villager, but with a differently worded goal attached. I think Whysper is legit and that's also why we handed them laundry, because it means there is one more slot that would want to keep them alive.

~Solic

[ATNoLeafia]

hmmm, now I really want to know the alignment treereaper is because its not like they are shot anytime soon.

[FoolsGold]

Well there has yet to be any confirmation of spies existing or what their wincon may be.

kind of why I want to vote within the unflipped people

I think spies exist just like how wolves exist
we just need to flip them

[FoolsGold]

hmmm, now I really want to know the alignment treereaper is because its not like they are shot anytime soon.

yeah, Treaper is now the only slot that has not yet claimed afaik

[ATNoLeafia]

Well there has yet to be any confirmation of spies existing or what their wincon may be.

kind of why I want to vote within the unflipped people

I think spies exist just like how wolves exist
we just need to flip them

I mean we are voting Whysper who is unflipped.

[TreeReaper]

hmmm, now I really want to know the alignment treereaper is because its not like they are shot anytime soon.

Your opportunism is showing, just because Gorta has pushed you . I have no real opinion on your slot other than that you claimed neutral tbh.

~Solic

[Chihiro]

is there any confirmation I what other faction is evil, that's not town?

no confirmation
but my speculation is that village and rebel are also evil and wolves and spies are good in the 2nd world

thats too much evil i think lol?

depending on numbers.

[ATNoLeafia]

hmmm, now I really want to know the alignment treereaper is because its not like they are shot anytime soon.

Your opportunism is showing, just because Gorta has pushed you . I have no real opinion on your slot other than that you claimed neutral tbh.

~Solic

what opportunism, I'm aiming to get things done efficiently.

[FoolsGold]

is there any confirmation I what other faction is evil, that's not town?

no confirmation
but my speculation is that village and rebel are also evil and wolves and spies are good in the 2nd world

thats too much evil i think lol?

depending on numbers.

not really?
same numbers as world 1, essentially

and I think there is no correlation/pattern between what role you have in W1 and W2

[FoolsGold]

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

[ATNoLeafia]

My difference check is on DKkoba. Idk how everyone got owl.

[TreeReaper]

I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic

[Millium]

is there any confirmation I what other faction is evil, that's not town?

no confirmation
but my speculation is that village and rebel are also evil and wolves and spies are good in the 2nd world

rebels are good

[Chihiro]

@TreeReaper wait what did ur ability do to me

[TreeReaper]

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic

[Chihiro]

As for @TownMisleaders i agree their push on Dkkoba was fine and it helped me see a good side of them but lately that isn't the case. They are throwing out alot of accusations and just recently they tried to accuse zone of being the quiz role despite us already knowing their role (it's up to them if they wanna claim it). Also arctic has been extremely reluctant to tell us anything about their own slot while hard questioning everyone else and playing the blame game.

Again mill seems to know more about Arctic, i've never played with that slot before I think???

[Chihiro]

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic

finally some kind of info that links to the skillissue hydra

[Millium]

Arctic and Me are both stubborn players that's for sure

[Millium]

also i may have died only once, but I've been shot twice lol

[FoolsGold]

I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic

it's because you haven't claimed tbh
and you're the only slot to not have claimed afaik

[TreeReaper]

@TreeReaper wait what did ur ability do to me

I think we've been over this already...? It's investigative about the number of words that are in your ability text. You seemed cooperative enough to also answer the number you had without us having to reveal everything ourselves.

Also going to do some groceries now, so cya later.

~Solic

[Boquise]

Boq's also in this game and I think he's Town so try not to mislynch him.

oh my god boq hates me.

@Boquise do you still hate me? should I daykill myself to save you????? I feel like a people-pleaser for this hour, you say yes, I'll do it. You say no, I'll still do it.

I don't care

[FoolsGold]

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic

just saw this
pls ignore my previous post

[Millium]

Hmm difference check between Kiiruma and Tsumugi
Difference check between me and Tsumugi
and Tigarial has a difference check between me and him

[TreeReaper]

I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic

it's because you haven't claimed tbh
and you're the only slot to not have claimed afaik

Yea, not buying this, you also choose to bite us when not everyone had claimed already.

~Solic

[Boquise]

I have been informed that Whysper is a member of the awfully evil, outrageous, devastatingly scum-like faction Spy.
Her head needs to start rolling.

Lmao are you kidding me my social read was right

She might have put me in the death game to

Lol Whysper

She hasn’t even said anything in neighbor chat for days :glare:

No, it's wrong. And I haven't been in the chat because I don't trust you.

Why don't you trust them? I mean, prior to this cop claim?

I think I may have mentioned this in another post, but it was just their approach from the get-go. They were trying to get me to agree to an alliance between factions. That seemed kind of strange if you are an uninformed majority faction since you wouldn't really have any true knowledge of who for sure is in your faction. There wouldn't really be anything to do for coordination between factions. Or at least not anything special beyond the obvious thing where uninformed majority factions would have an open interest in working together anyway. A move towards an alliance just seems more like something an informed minority would try to do.

Alright, I think this makes sense tbh

[Millium]

I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic

it's because you haven't claimed tbh
and you're the only slot to not have claimed afaik

i mean that's not true, so Arctic still has no claimed

[FoolsGold]

My difference check is on DKkoba. Idk how everyone got owl.

thanks, noted

[Millium]

I like Solic more than I like Gorta, but I never really hated Gorta in a, "This is probably a wolf" way, anyways

[Chihiro]

@TreeReaper wait what did ur ability do to me

I think we've been over this already...? It's investigative about the number of words that are in your ability text. You seemed cooperative enough to also answer the number you had without us having to reveal everything ourselves.

Also going to do some groceries now, so cya later.

~Solic

oh duh, sorry too much inportant to remember lol, whats the role even called?

[TreeReaper]

I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic

it's because you haven't claimed tbh
and you're the only slot to not have claimed afaik

i mean that's not true, so Arctic still has no claimed

Which is even funnier when they insisted everyone else should.

[Boquise]

Votecount

Voted (Votes): Voter

Whysper (4): TwoPlayersAndAOnion, TimHortons, DunkinDonuts, SeonRichard
TwoPlayersAndAOnion (3): Whysper, KurosakiIchigo
Millium (2): +2
KurosakiIchogo (1): OwlsWriteLetters
TreeReaper (1): FoolsGold
ATNoLeafia (1): TreeReaper
based (1): +1
Tsumugi (1): +1
OwlsWriteLetters (0): -1, Boquise
Not Voting (8): ATNoLeafia, based, beancat, Bee, FateShirou, Millium, TownMisleaders, Tsumugi

With 18 living non-exiled players, it takes 6 to eliminate via plurality at end of Day and 12 to eliminate via majority.

Checkpoint History:

Spoiler: show

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Night 1 Start
Day 2 Start
Night 1 Deaths
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Day 3 Start (For Some)
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Seems like someone has made my vote worth minus smh

[FoolsGold]

is there any confirmation I what other faction is evil, that's not town?

no confirmation
but my speculation is that village and rebel are also evil and wolves and spies are good in the 2nd world

rebels are good

huh
so maybe spies are still evil in W2

[Boquise]

I should probably read up.

Rude to fickle with my voting power though smh tbh

[Boquise]

Or wait, no, I am misreading it. My vote is a regular 1 but there is a -1, thus it becomes 0 tbh

[Millium]

is there any confirmation I what other faction is evil, that's not town?

no confirmation
but my speculation is that village and rebel are also evil and wolves and spies are good in the 2nd world

rebels are good

huh
so maybe spies are still evil in W2

probably, I wonder if we can assume there is 3 evil factions and 3 good factions, seems to align with 3 kills

[FoolsGold]

I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic

it's because you haven't claimed tbh
and you're the only slot to not have claimed afaik

Yea, not buying this, you also choose to bite us when not everyone had claimed already.

~Solic

tbf, we were wolf when we chose to bit you

[FoolsGold]

I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic

it's because you haven't claimed tbh
and you're the only slot to not have claimed afaik

Yea, not buying this, you also choose to bite us when not everyone had claimed already.

~Solic

tbf, we were wolf when we chose to bite you

EBWOP

[TreeReaper]

@TreeReaper wait what did ur ability do to me

I think we've been over this already...? It's investigative about the number of words that are in your ability text. You seemed cooperative enough to also answer the number you had without us having to reveal everything ourselves.

Also going to do some groceries now, so cya later.

~Solic

oh duh, sorry too much inportant to remember lol, whats the role even called?

Like I know the thread has acted like I'm ultra paranoid about anti-claim, but knowing that I am, I hope you understand I'm not going to answer this.

Now I'm really out of here for now.

~Solic

[FoolsGold]

I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic

it's because you haven't claimed tbh
and you're the only slot to not have claimed afaik

i mean that's not true, so Arctic still has no claimed

they claimed village in the ??? chat
as for role, idk
I think Tsumugi is trying to get them to claim it

[TownMisleaders]

this push on crichard is rubbish, you think he just decides to make up a citizen faction and claim it as scum?

It's a random faction we never heard of and they have thus far been the only one to claim it. I think some doubt here is natural.
If they were neutral, why didn't they just claim neutral? And this might be a bit picky - why do they have a towny-sounding faction name like "Citizen" instead of something like "Survivor".
If they were town, why do they have a separate faction all by themself?

1. they aren't claiming neutral
2. there's already 2 uninformed factions in the first world - village and town, so i don't see why there can't be another. doesn't matter if they're the only one, and there may be others who just haven't claimed it yet

[Chihiro]

according to zone i am hated currently lol

[FoolsGold]

is there any confirmation I what other faction is evil, that's not town?

no confirmation
but my speculation is that village and rebel are also evil and wolves and spies are good in the 2nd world

rebels are good

huh
so maybe spies are still evil in W2

probably, I wonder if we can assume there is 3 evil factions and 3 good factions, seems to align with 3 kills

it makes sense with all the neutrals imo

[Chihiro]

@TreeReaper wait what did ur ability do to me

I think we've been over this already...? It's investigative about the number of words that are in your ability text. You seemed cooperative enough to also answer the number you had without us having to reveal everything ourselves.

Also going to do some groceries now, so cya later.

~Solic

oh duh, sorry too much inportant to remember lol, whats the role even called?

Like I know the thread has acted like I'm ultra paranoid about anti-claim, but knowing that I am, I hope you understand I'm not going to answer this.

Now I'm really out of here for now.

~Solic

fair, but i dont think mill has his claim vig anymore.

[Boquise]

so dunkin and tim hortons got prodded
zone is...somewhere?
whats everyones thoughts on bourqise?

Burpise is a pretty swell fellow tbh tho bourqise does not pay his taxes and is indebted to boquoise tbh

[TreeReaper]

I've been thinking it's just rebels/villagers/town against werewolves/mafia/spies and it make sense to me that good layers to good and scum would layer to scum, even though there have been some accounts that were confusing that (so I didn't really read up on it). (But it doesn't make sense to have scum flip to good, because they could just out their original scumbuds) I don't think this theory is verifiably false on shown flips yet though.

~Solic

[Millium]

being hated in the VC is a mechanic linked to frustration in the thread, which at max can put you at +3
but as Osie said, its possible to go beyond that by other means

as for the direct cause, IDK, I've been trying to hit +3 so I can figure it out, to no avail

[TownMisleaders]

this push on crichard is rubbish, you think he just decides to make up a citizen faction and claim it as scum?

In the same vein I can ask why Whysper decides to randomly claim villager, but with a differently worded goal attached. I think Whysper is legit and that's also why we handed them laundry, because it means there is one more slot that would want to keep them alive.

~Solic

whysper is a tree and has no idea what's going on, there's a difference
wouldn't surprise me if she didn't even know the specifics on claimed wincons