srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:29 amThere are no PR's, there is no gambit. So why out of all the RVS talk was that what got you going? You felt attacked? Hate the play style? Looking for a reason to vote someone? There is information there that can be used to help sort you.
I think it's the first two reasons for you.
Arcbell I see as looking for a reason to vote someone. They give a narrative (doubtful in any world) why I'm scum. They also explain to you why I could be town. They are having conversations without looking for answers and without questioning or doubting their vote. [VOTE:
Arcbell] aubergine
Now I will miraculously disappear again.
It is possible that people vote you/scum read you out of annoyance as well.
Annoying people is a great way to get yourself chopped.
Some well meaning how ever many cents if you're town.
Would be interested in hearing an overall view of the game from you, not just Lime and Arc. When you magically reappear.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:46 am
I'm gonna sheep.
[VOTE:
Arcbell] aubergine
Who are you sheeping?
Mostly Mac tbh
Mac isn't voting me and hasn't read all of my case. I started slowing down the push on srceenplay last night when they were questioning Lime in the middle of my push.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:23 pm
In lieu of an explanation from srceenplay, here's what I think happened:
1. srceenplay jumped into the game without reading the setup description, not realizing there weren't any power roles
2. srceenplay decided they wanted to soft claim PR / informed for whatever reason
3. srceenplay is doubling down on the whole thing, trying to convince us it's a completely natural series of posts, possibly because they think it's scummy to admit they were trying to trick town
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:49 pm
Nah, I just require an explanation from you at some point!
If you don't give one I have to assume the truth is bad for you.
If you want you can keep getting brad's thoughts first to read him though.
I don't think he's actually questioned me on anything he just keeps calling me a wolf and saying he won't give much info out.
Nah he's poking you for your thoughts on the matter
Yeah that did happen, but I don't get what he was going to figure out based on that since it's you scumreading the same guy that I'm scumreading...which is him.
Like I don't understand his philosophy at all here if it comes from a town perspective.
If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.
But this is all pure speculation because again srceenplay's entire thing this game is saying he's giving information while actually giving no information or feedback lol
This shows me you can make up a narrative. It also shows that you can read/understand the situation and ignore it.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:23 pm
In lieu of an explanation from srceenplay, here's what I think happened:
1. srceenplay jumped into the game without reading the setup description, not realizing there weren't any power roles
2. srceenplay decided they wanted to soft claim PR / informed for whatever reason
3. srceenplay is doubling down on the whole thing, trying to convince us it's a completely natural series of posts, possibly because they think it's scummy to admit they were trying to trick town
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:49 pm
Nah, I just require an explanation from you at some point!
If you don't give one I have to assume the truth is bad for you.
If you want you can keep getting brad's thoughts first to read him though.
I don't think he's actually questioned me on anything he just keeps calling me a wolf and saying he won't give much info out.
Nah he's poking you for your thoughts on the matter
Yeah that did happen, but I don't get what he was going to figure out based on that since it's you scumreading the same guy that I'm scumreading...which is him.
Like I don't understand his philosophy at all here if it comes from a town perspective.
If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.
But this is all pure speculation because again srceenplay's entire thing this game is saying he's giving information while actually giving no information or feedback lol
This shows me you can make up a narrative. It also shows that you can read/understand the situation and ignore it.
I think you're misunderstanding me here. I'm acknowledging that my problems with your entrance don't really make you maf.
I think I understand that you are claiming that the information thing was RVS, which you only clarified after I made that post you're referencing.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:02 am
I agree half way that Arc seems too smart to take Screen's opening seriously the way he did. But I'll let him speak to that.
srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:29 amThere are no PR's, there is no gambit. So why out of all the RVS talk was that what got you going? You felt attacked? Hate the play style? Looking for a reason to vote someone? There is information there that can be used to help sort you.
I think it's the first two reasons for you.
Arcbell I see as looking for a reason to vote someone. They give a narrative (doubtful in any world) why I'm scum. They also explain to you why I could be town. They are having conversations without looking for answers and without questioning or doubting their vote. [VOTE:
Arcbell] aubergine
Now I will miraculously disappear again.
It is possible that people vote you/scum read you out of annoyance as well.
Annoying people is a great way to get yourself chopped.
Some well meaning how ever many cents if you're town.
Would be interested in hearing an overall view of the game from you, not just Lime and Arc. When you magically reappear.
Yes you are right. I use my gut reads to help me sort that.
As for other reads, don't have much. Most of my attention has been on those two. Dragon did have a post I didn't like. Sounded contradicting but I may have been letting bias sway my thoughts. I'm always contradicting my thoughts in my head.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:02 am
I agree half way that Arc seems too smart to take Screen's opening seriously the way he did. But I'll let him speak to that.
Got the game moving didn't it?
I don't see how that is quite relevant.
You can argue that it yielded a pro town result, but the implications of that is actually null.
What has been your intention and process regarding Screenplay?
How do you see the game overall as it stands right now?
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:02 am
I agree half way that Arc seems too smart to take Screen's opening seriously the way he did. But I'll let him speak to that.
Got the game moving didn't it?
I don't see how that is quite relevant.
You can argue that it yielded a pro town result, but the implications of that is actually null.
What has been your intention and process regarding Screenplay?
How do you see the game overall as it stands right now?
My intention actually was to get the game moving. I knew it wasn't a terribly alignment indicative push from the outset. I pointed this out last night.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:13 pm
If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.
srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:09 amYes you are right. I use my gut reads to help me sort that.
As for other reads, don't have much. Most of my attention has been on those two. Dragon did have a post I didn't like. Sounded contradicting but I may have been letting bias sway my thoughts. I'm always contradicting my thoughts in my head.
I've done pretty ok reading Dragon in the past, and I think he's town so far. He seems to care about finding things and searching. I also liked that he wanted more people to post (genuinely wanting more information is towny, and I don't think Dragon is someone who randomly fakes that want.) I think I know which post you're referring to (the one about if me being drunk is AI or not lol), but I don't see being inconclusive or contradictory as scummy. That's literally the perpetual state I find myself in as town.
It's early game still though, of course. But I'd say town for Dragon.
I'm getting a little sus of Dragon. He said he wants to poke but I see Dyslexicon doing all the poking. "I'll just sheep" is also an absolute classic of a mafia vote excuse.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:13 amMy intention actually was to get the game moving. I knew it wasn't a terribly alignment indicative push from the outset. I pointed this out last night.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:15 am
This was me to bradland last night @Dyslexicon
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:13 pm
If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.
Yes, you did.
You also said this:
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:23 pm
In lieu of an explanation from srceenplay, here's what I think happened:
1. srceenplay jumped into the game without reading the setup description, not realizing there weren't any power roles
2. srceenplay decided they wanted to soft claim PR / informed for whatever reason
3. srceenplay is doubling down on the whole thing, trying to convince us it's a completely natural series of posts, possibly because they think it's scummy to admit they were trying to trick town
Which is a theory pretty much as nonsensical as Screen's opening claim in itself.
So it's a bit of mixed signals of you seeming both pretty aware and also not aware at all. Does that make sense?
I don't know you. But you seem competent. And you have me going like this yellow face and all. So that's fun.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:23 pm
In lieu of an explanation from srceenplay, here's what I think happened:
1. srceenplay jumped into the game without reading the setup description, not realizing there weren't any power roles
2. srceenplay decided they wanted to soft claim PR / informed for whatever reason
3. srceenplay is doubling down on the whole thing, trying to convince us it's a completely natural series of posts, possibly because they think it's scummy to admit they were trying to trick town
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:49 pm
Nah, I just require an explanation from you at some point!
If you don't give one I have to assume the truth is bad for you.
If you want you can keep getting brad's thoughts first to read him though.
I don't think he's actually questioned me on anything he just keeps calling me a wolf and saying he won't give much info out.
Nah he's poking you for your thoughts on the matter
Yeah that did happen, but I don't get what he was going to figure out based on that since it's you scumreading the same guy that I'm scumreading...which is him.
Like I don't understand his philosophy at all here if it comes from a town perspective.
If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.
But this is all pure speculation because again srceenplay's entire thing this game is saying he's giving information while actually giving no information or feedback lol
This shows me you can make up a narrative. It also shows that you can read/understand the situation and ignore it.
I think you're misunderstanding me here. I'm acknowledging that my problems with your entrance don't really make you maf.
I think I understand that you are claiming that the information thing was RVS, which you only clarified after I made that post you're referencing.
Thing is I don't think saying it was RVS is needed. Thats a jump to assume it wasn't.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:13 amMy intention actually was to get the game moving. I knew it wasn't a terribly alignment indicative push from the outset. I pointed this out last night.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:15 am
This was me to bradland last night @Dyslexicon
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:13 pm
If he's town he's probably noted that you're supporting my push on him pretty hard, and that while he's been indicted as a liar and a trickster pretty hard, there isn't actually much in this argument that makes him maf. Town can easily decide to feign n0 informed or whatnot. So he might be wondering why you haven't noticed that or aren't trying harder to determine his alignment.
Yes, you did.
You also said this:
Arcbell wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:23 pm
In lieu of an explanation from srceenplay, here's what I think happened:
1. srceenplay jumped into the game without reading the setup description, not realizing there weren't any power roles
2. srceenplay decided they wanted to soft claim PR / informed for whatever reason
3. srceenplay is doubling down on the whole thing, trying to convince us it's a completely natural series of posts, possibly because they think it's scummy to admit they were trying to trick town
Which is a theory pretty much as nonsensical as Screen's opening claim in itself.
So it's a bit of mixed signals of you seeming both pretty aware and also not aware at all. Does that make sense?
I don't know you. But you seem competent. And you have me going like this yellow face and all. So that's fun.
Latter post I figured would be contradicted by srceenplay. I wanted him to take a damn position. I don't think it's a nonsensical guess. It's possible. And "he was just being annoying" is a much less interesting explanation!
srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:09 amYes you are right. I use my gut reads to help me sort that.
As for other reads, don't have much. Most of my attention has been on those two. Dragon did have a post I didn't like. Sounded contradicting but I may have been letting bias sway my thoughts. I'm always contradicting my thoughts in my head.
I've done pretty ok reading Dragon in the past, and I think he's town so far. He seems to care about finding things and searching. I also liked that he wanted more people to post (genuinely wanting more information is towny, and I don't think Dragon is someone who randomly fakes that want.) I think I know which post you're referring to (the one about if me being drunk is AI or not lol), but I don't see being inconclusive or contradictory as scummy. That's literally the perpetual state I find myself in as town.
It's early game still though, of course. But I'd say town for Dragon.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:34 am
Not sure about the screen thing. Feels to me he is being non-contributive on purpose, which is more annoying than AI. I tend to yeet people who do that eventually, since they are hard to read, but it's a coinflip usually.
LC still looks town for tunelling on it.
Arcbell is a neutral to me, I like the way they are casing Screen, trying to figure him out, but at the same time it's a comfortable position for wolves to be in since they are playing sidekick to LC's case, so no read so far.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:29 amLatter post I figured would be contradicted by srceenplay. I wanted him to take a damn position. I don't think it's a nonsensical guess. It's possible. And "he was just being annoying" is a much less interesting explanation!
I'd argue that "He's pretending to have a strong read or 'information' to get the ball rolling (and doesn't quite realise how overdone and tired this is)" is the most obvious explanation. This does come off as annoying, but it isn't just that.
I don't know Screen or if he's the sort of player who likes to pull attention grabbing shit as scum. My guess is he probably don't mind attention and getting in the thick of it as either alignment tbh. However, his follow up on this whole thing has been decent afaic.
I'm probably more interested in all the people who's had no attention on them though.
I dont know why but I feel like Dyslexicon and Arcbell are paired. While screen/dragon/lime are all pushing them they are pushing me for suspicious reasons at best. Distraction?
srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:09 amYes you are right. I use my gut reads to help me sort that.
As for other reads, don't have much. Most of my attention has been on those two. Dragon did have a post I didn't like. Sounded contradicting but I may have been letting bias sway my thoughts. I'm always contradicting my thoughts in my head.
I've done pretty ok reading Dragon in the past, and I think he's town so far. He seems to care about finding things and searching. I also liked that he wanted more people to post (genuinely wanting more information is towny, and I don't think Dragon is someone who randomly fakes that want.) I think I know which post you're referring to (the one about if me being drunk is AI or not lol), but I don't see being inconclusive or contradictory as scummy. That's literally the perpetual state I find myself in as town.
It's early game still though, of course. But I'd say town for Dragon.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:34 am
Not sure about the screen thing. Feels to me he is being non-contributive on purpose, which is more annoying than AI. I tend to yeet people who do that eventually, since they are hard to read, but it's a coinflip usually.
LC still looks town for tunelling on it.
Arcbell is a neutral to me, I like the way they are casing Screen, trying to figure him out, but at the same time it's a comfortable position for wolves to be in since they are playing sidekick to LC's case, so no read so far.
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:35 am
I dont know why but I feel like Dyslexicon and Arcbell are paired. While screen/dragon/lime are all pushing them they are pushing me for suspicious reasons at best. Distraction?
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:35 am
I dont know why but I feel like Dyslexicon and Arcbell are paired. While screen/dragon/lime are all pushing them they are pushing me for suspicious reasons at best. Distraction?
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:35 am
I dont know why but I feel like Dyslexicon and Arcbell are paired. While screen/dragon/lime are all pushing them they are pushing me for suspicious reasons at best. Distraction?
I'm pushing you?
No Dyslexic, potentially trying to take heat off you
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:35 am
I dont know why but I feel like Dyslexicon and Arcbell are paired. While screen/dragon/lime are all pushing them they are pushing me for suspicious reasons at best. Distraction?
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:35 am
I dont know why but I feel like Dyslexicon and Arcbell are paired. While screen/dragon/lime are all pushing them they are pushing me for suspicious reasons at best. Distraction?
I'm pushing you?
No, he meant me. That I'm pushing him to distract from my teammate, which is you.
yellow face and all. So that's fun.
