Ducktales Woo-oo POSTGAME (mafia win)

[Lumi]

Oh also I tinfoiled you for maf/3p when you said my idea of mafia / town 3p role swapping was great, wondering if you were trying to hint that we should do it, but that faded pretty quick

Are you softing town-aligned 3p?

I was when I responded "Let's do it" the other night, hoping you'd bite if you were maf lol. But not now.

Why would you think that the 3p would out there? Like that'd be such a weird time and place to out?

I didn't, I figured you'd wait for a bit then do it. Then I went to sleep and woke up and filed this whole thing under "late night thoughts" lol

If that was actually a plan you had to try to bait out a 3p, then that's probably >rand town.

But the issue is that it would pretty obviously never work

[Mizery]

I'll support the new policy from Lag by voting in late voters. We should revive policy forming as a tool the town has.

I agree if by policing you mean make in-game demands that people who don't follow get chopped. I don't agree if it means chopping a specific player d1 of every game because you dislike their playstyle. That is pretty disgusting and kinda frowned upon in this site. It seems to be the former though, but I think it's good to ask.

Duuuude of course not I agree that's completely disgusting. Policies shouldn't even have the ability to distinguish specific site users at all.

i will policy gavial

[Arcbell]

I'll support the new policy from Lag by voting in late voters. We should revive policy forming as a tool the town has.

I agree if by policing you mean make in-game demands that people who don't follow get chopped. I don't agree if it means chopping a specific player d1 of every game because you dislike their playstyle. That is pretty disgusting and kinda frowned upon in this site. It seems to be the former though, but I think it's good to ask.

Duuuude of course not I agree that's completely disgusting. Policies shouldn't even have the ability to distinguish specific site users at all.

Yeah ok sorry for the mean suggestion.

Last game I played was majority vote only so O made a VOTE OR DIE policy and kept spamming it, so I like to do those things sometimes.

That said I also have a super laidback and "I do whatever I feel like atm" playstyle so if this starts having a bunch of rules I'm zzzzzzzzzz

sometimes adding restrictions makes structures more interesting to "do whatever" in!!

[Mizery]

how do i vote again

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine


Just like that

I'm spewed town nerds glgl

[Arcbell]

And yea a vote or die policy is a pretty good, conservative town policy.

You don't want gameplay to be dominated by the question of whether policies are accepted/enforced though ideally you want them just in the background

[Mizery]

I had a really wierd dream where lag posted a like intro post here with a selfie and they were a really old guy with a long white beard

[Mizery]

and a bald head

[Mizery]

I'm double spewed town by the brad kill glgl

[Mizery]

ok so i had a moment where my response to lag i was like "oh no that's tmiing lag town" and then i had a moment where i was like "omg wait" and then it took me a bit to remember i wasn't eating lettuce

That...wasn't an expected ending at all, good job.

I was drunk I meant to say "I wasn't a wolf" not "I wasn't eating lettuce" I'm sorry guys

[Arcbell]

I had a really wierd dream where lag posted a like intro post here with a selfie and they were a really old guy with a long white beard

LOL

I'll do an intro post if you do

[Mizery]

Illwei
DDL

DDL can be town I suppose for having the same read on Brad with me on D1

[Mizery]

Not posting your vote in thread is anti-town and I want to kill NAA simply for that- votes aren't trackable if you don't post what they are.

[Arcbell]

ok so i had a moment where my response to lag i was like "oh no that's tmiing lag town" and then i had a moment where i was like "omg wait" and then it took me a bit to remember i wasn't eating lettuce

That...wasn't an expected ending at all, good job.

I was drunk I meant to say "I wasn't a wolf" not "I wasn't eating lettuce" I'm sorry guys

I don't want to kill mizery they're amusing

[Mizery]

Maybe it's just me but I kinda like arc purely for voting screen. It was before screen posted stuff I didn't like so like eh not much there but also I think Brad's opening posts were insanely townie and screen calling him scum for them is just insanely bizzare to me. That + Calling me scum for saying i had no reads to share other than Brad being town felt like ?? but ofc I'm biased bc it's on me.

[Mizery]

I'll hard shield the first person to tell me how to vote

I don’t need a shield.
But you can threat me as an informed IC and vote LC.

If screen is 3p I 100% read this as him trying to soft wolf 3p to lag.

[Lumi]

Falcon (8): Dyslexicon, hollowkatt, NotAnAxehole, Seanzie, MacDougall, Mizery, Dragon D. Luffy, Arcbell
Arcbell (1): srceenplay
DDL (1): falcon
Lag (1): lime coke
Rondo (1): rondo
Not voting (3): jack, lag, porscha

This vote count is wrong, I was on Lime Coke.

But assuming no other errors,

Day 1 wagon was:
Falcon: Dizzy, HK, NAA, Seanzie, Mac, Mizery, DDL, Arcbell
Anything else: Falcon, Jack, Lag, LC, Porscha, Rondo, screenplay

So unless the last two wolves are in exactly Porscha/screenplay/Jack - it means at least one of the wolves bussed Falcon.
So then the question becomes, did Glomgold bus the mafia and the other mafia got left behind?
Did the mafia enter wolfchat and just decide to bus? Or did they decide that their teammate was a lost cause?
If the mafia bussed first, then Glomgold would see one wolf bussing the other and likely join the wagon after if he wasn't already on the wagon. So it's <rand that there's one wolf on wagon and one wolf off-wagon.

The world where both remaining wolves bussed for town-cred is >rand likely due to the lack of coordination.

[MacDougall]

I really want to know how Lag views me as trending down when I buried Falcon, tried to shield Rondo and was LC's top townread.

[Arcbell]

If the mafia bussed first, then Glomgold would see one wolf bussing the other and likely join the wagon after if he wasn't already on the wagon.

Hm why?

[Lumi]

I really want to know how Lag views me as trending down when I buried Falcon, tried to shield Rondo and was LC's top townread.

How many wolves do you think bussed?

[Lumi]

If the mafia bussed first, then Glomgold would see one wolf bussing the other and likely join the wagon after if he wasn't already on the wagon.

Hm why?

Because it signals to Glomgold that the mafia isn't going to be trying to bury someone else to save the other mafia, so Glomgold should join the wagon too for cred.

[MacDougall]

I really want to know how Lag views me as trending down when I buried Falcon, tried to shield Rondo and was LC's top townread.

How many wolves do you think bussed?

Why does it matter? Find the wolfy slots and kill them.

I have come to think I had the solve exactly backwards and it's Dizzy wolf and Jack wolf 3p tbh.

[Lumi]

I really want to know how Lag views me as trending down when I buried Falcon, tried to shield Rondo and was LC's top townread.

How many wolves do you think bussed?

Why does it matter? Find the wolfy slots and kill them.

I have come to think I had the solve exactly backwards and it's Dizzy wolf and Jack wolf 3p tbh.

VCA is a part of finding wolfy slots

[Lumi]

Does anyone have the order of votes on Falcon from day 1? Like the exact order

[Mizery]

I'm on page 5 and am still lost with what's happening

[Arcbell]

If the mafia bussed first, then Glomgold would see one wolf bussing the other and likely join the wagon after if he wasn't already on the wagon.

Hm why?

Because it signals to Glomgold that the mafia isn't going to be trying to bury someone else to save the other mafia, so Glomgold should join the wagon too for cred.

I agree with the first part but Glomgold only joins the wagon for cred if Glomgold thinks they can get cred by joining the wagon, which may not have been the case

[Lumi]

If the mafia bussed first, then Glomgold would see one wolf bussing the other and likely join the wagon after if he wasn't already on the wagon.

Hm why?

Because it signals to Glomgold that the mafia isn't going to be trying to bury someone else to save the other mafia, so Glomgold should join the wagon too for cred.

I agree with the first part but Glomgold only joins the wagon for cred if Glomgold thinks they can get cred by joining the wagon, which may not have been the case

Fair, especially since the people that were not on the wagon also overlaps with the people that were just less active on day 1.

[Arcbell]

Does anyone have the order of votes on Falcon from day 1? Like the exact order

Yea this would be useful

[Lumi]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

[Mizery]

Does anyone have the order of votes on Falcon from day 1? Like the exact order

it's hard when people also don't post their votes in thread grr

[Arcbell]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Troublemaker. Why of all people, do you vote the towniest town in town?

[Arcbell]

Does anyone have the order of votes on Falcon from day 1? Like the exact order

it's hard when people also don't post their votes in thread grr

Let's make people who didn't post their votes in thread d1 go back and find the order for us

[Lumi]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Troublemaker. Why of all people, do you vote the towniest town in town?

Well, for one, I disagree on DIzzy being the towniest town in town
But two, Mac mentioned a Dizzy + Jack pairing, and then I remembered that Jack tried to start a Porscha wagon to save Dizzy, and while I think that wagon in particular isn't actually bad, I even townread Jack for that choice.
A w/w pairing between Dizzy and Jack could actually make a lot of sense.

[Mizery]

Who is 718 cayman???

[Mizery]

" He will be informed who his partners are, they will not be told who he is"

I cant wait for the wacky pocketing

hey btw brad can I pocket you

lol wait is this just a slip or am i an idiot

[MacDougall]

I really want to know how Lag views me as trending down when I buried Falcon, tried to shield Rondo and was LC's top townread.

How many wolves do you think bussed?

Why does it matter? Find the wolfy slots and kill them.

I have come to think I had the solve exactly backwards and it's Dizzy wolf and Jack wolf 3p tbh.

VCA is a part of finding wolfy slots

You dodged my question to ask me something I view quite asinine.

VCA sure but to identify how many bussers is when the answer is 0 1 or 2 is not my idea of VCA that is valuable.

I would say the pack wolf would not have bussed except for quite late and the 3p wolf might be inclined to bus a little more readily but again they are >rand not to have.

Did both bus ... entirely possible.

To me 0 is possible. 1 is likely. 2 is possible.

Therefore it's essentially pointless to delve into.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Troublemaker. Why of all people, do you vote the towniest town in town?

Well, for one, I disagree on DIzzy being the towniest town in town
But two, Mac mentioned a Dizzy + Jack pairing, and then I remembered that Jack tried to start a Porscha wagon to save Dizzy, and while I think that wagon in particular isn't actually bad, I even townread Jack for that choice.
A w/w pairing between Dizzy and Jack could actually make a lot of sense.

Yes Jack sold out hard for Dizzy. If they are wolves then Jack is the one that is aware of both of their alignments. If Dizzy is not a wolf then Jack is also probably not one.

The bar for ability to sound towny needs to be raised. Neither Dyslexicon nor Jack are the obvious towns they purport to be in this particular game. Both summon towny sounding content in order to survive or pocket others.

Dyslexicon's eod was way too manipulative for me.

[MacDougall]

I'm on page 5 and am still lost with what's happening

Why are you on page 5?

[Arcbell]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Troublemaker. Why of all people, do you vote the towniest town in town?

Well, for one, I disagree on DIzzy being the towniest town in town
But two, Mac mentioned a Dizzy + Jack pairing, and then I remembered that Jack tried to start a Porscha wagon to save Dizzy, and while I think that wagon in particular isn't actually bad, I even townread Jack for that choice.
A w/w pairing between Dizzy and Jack could actually make a lot of sense.

I also tried pretty hard to save dizzy. Jack also tried to save me.

Spoiler: show

I'm gonna suggest Dizzy is the maf 3p and Jack is the solo maf.

Ok, let's kill Jack first then.

Anyway. You talking yourself into a scum read on me when it's god damn obvious I'm not is the reason Sean died and you didn't lol. Sean is the first person who would call it out if I was scum here. He and HK is probably the only people I've seen being able to read me quite consistently.

I get that you hate my Rondo read, but I stand by it (though I'm not as sold anymore tbh). I've explained why, and I'm also sheeping Sean on this, as I sheeped Sean on D1, because he's a better town player than I am in terms of reads. My biggest value as town is to not get chopped, because I'm towny and I just don't get chopped. So you looking for another suspect and finding me is particularly anti-town and annoying here. Most people are not paying a lot of attention and will sheep whoever has a strong read.

Your theory about me being 3p is random and dumb. I didn't even know what the 3ps was going into the game, if you payed attention.

Going into today I though scum was Rondo/Arc or Rondo/you. I think Arc has been fine today, and I think you're following actual things and ideas that are coming up into your head instead of just bullshitting everything, so you're most likely town. Like how you went "Shit, Arc might be town. I must now suspect someone else. Let's suspect Dizzy."

It really did look to me like Rondo had tmi on Falcon while at the same time trying to make anything else happen. I was thinking Falcon/Rondo even before Falcon flipped because of their interaction, and when Sean verified that, I definitely thought so. It was just weird as fuck. I do think Rondo has been slightly better today, showing some actual thinking. Maybe. But I don't really buy that he thinks I'm mafia tbh.

Other suspicions includes HK and Jack. HK because of Sean and that he asked why Falcon, but ended up voting Falcon anyway. I know he said he sheeped his town reads. Which is fine. I did the same thing when I voted Falcon, mostly. Jack is someone I often mindmeld with etc. I find him coming off kind of tame/generic this game. I don't get any read off of him tbh.

I still think Porscha is town, though I have little experience with them. I get what Arc was saying when he suggested Porscha wanted to be scum read, which I thought was a good observation on Arc's part. I think Screen spewed himself town by defending Falcon in a way that was just complaining without trying to offer up alternatives. I'll read the reference game you gave me on Rondo now, to see if that changes my already diffuse perspective on him.

Mizery is very background. Don't actually have a read on her. No read on Lag either, thought their posts where fine.

I really wish Sean was here.

I thought this was a pretty solid towny brain dump, mac thinking he was 3p doesn't seem like something dizzy would be so scornful of if he actually was just faking not knowing about 3p mechanics. I think he needs to be the teamed wolf if wolf at all, and even though that's consistent with your theory where jack (Glom) tries to save dizzy, it's probably best to chop for Glom first since their flip always gives us more info (excepting kill info) and we have more partner info on them.

[Arcbell]

That said I know nothing of dizzy meta, this is my first game with him

[Arcbell]

" He will be informed who his partners are, they will not be told who he is"

I cant wait for the wacky pocketing

hey btw brad can I pocket you

lol wait is this just a slip or am i an idiot

Wdym?

[Mizery]

The "i can't wait for the wacky pocketing" implies that they are going to experience some wacky mafia pocketing other mafia members imo.

[Arcbell]

The "i can't wait for the wacky pocketing" implies that they are going to experience some wacky mafia pocketing other mafia members imo.

Why is that a slip though? That could happen.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Troublemaker. Why of all people, do you vote the towniest town in town?

Well, for one, I disagree on DIzzy being the towniest town in town
But two, Mac mentioned a Dizzy + Jack pairing, and then I remembered that Jack tried to start a Porscha wagon to save Dizzy, and while I think that wagon in particular isn't actually bad, I even townread Jack for that choice.
A w/w pairing between Dizzy and Jack could actually make a lot of sense.

I also tried pretty hard to save dizzy. Jack also tried to save me.

Spoiler: show

I'm gonna suggest Dizzy is the maf 3p and Jack is the solo maf.

Ok, let's kill Jack first then.

Anyway. You talking yourself into a scum read on me when it's god damn obvious I'm not is the reason Sean died and you didn't lol. Sean is the first person who would call it out if I was scum here. He and HK is probably the only people I've seen being able to read me quite consistently.

I get that you hate my Rondo read, but I stand by it (though I'm not as sold anymore tbh). I've explained why, and I'm also sheeping Sean on this, as I sheeped Sean on D1, because he's a better town player than I am in terms of reads. My biggest value as town is to not get chopped, because I'm towny and I just don't get chopped. So you looking for another suspect and finding me is particularly anti-town and annoying here. Most people are not paying a lot of attention and will sheep whoever has a strong read.

Your theory about me being 3p is random and dumb. I didn't even know what the 3ps was going into the game, if you payed attention.

Going into today I though scum was Rondo/Arc or Rondo/you. I think Arc has been fine today, and I think you're following actual things and ideas that are coming up into your head instead of just bullshitting everything, so you're most likely town. Like how you went "Shit, Arc might be town. I must now suspect someone else. Let's suspect Dizzy."

It really did look to me like Rondo had tmi on Falcon while at the same time trying to make anything else happen. I was thinking Falcon/Rondo even before Falcon flipped because of their interaction, and when Sean verified that, I definitely thought so. It was just weird as fuck. I do think Rondo has been slightly better today, showing some actual thinking. Maybe. But I don't really buy that he thinks I'm mafia tbh.

Other suspicions includes HK and Jack. HK because of Sean and that he asked why Falcon, but ended up voting Falcon anyway. I know he said he sheeped his town reads. Which is fine. I did the same thing when I voted Falcon, mostly. Jack is someone I often mindmeld with etc. I find him coming off kind of tame/generic this game. I don't get any read off of him tbh.

I still think Porscha is town, though I have little experience with them. I get what Arc was saying when he suggested Porscha wanted to be scum read, which I thought was a good observation on Arc's part. I think Screen spewed himself town by defending Falcon in a way that was just complaining without trying to offer up alternatives. I'll read the reference game you gave me on Rondo now, to see if that changes my already diffuse perspective on him.

Mizery is very background. Don't actually have a read on her. No read on Lag either, thought their posts where fine.

I really wish Sean was here.

I thought this was a pretty solid towny brain dump, mac thinking he was 3p doesn't seem like something dizzy would be so scornful of if he actually was just faking not knowing about 3p mechanics. I think he needs to be the teamed wolf if wolf at all, and even though that's consistent with your theory where jack (Glom) tries to save dizzy, it's probably best to chop for Glom first since their flip always gives us more info (excepting kill info) and we have more partner info on them.

Dizzy talking so much about why I didn't die over Seanzie is most likely just because he is the one who made said kill. Which flies with the bolded point anyway.

Also note that Dizzy's solve contains a pairing of me/Rondo. Which is literally never a real thought from Dizzy.

If you actually read this post none of these thoughts are logical towny thoughts.

[Arcbell]

Rather what was your thinking about how it might be a slip? I know you phrased it as a question

[Arcbell]

"Your theory about me being 3p is random and dumb. I didn't even know what the 3ps was going into the game, if you payed attention. " this is a logical towny thought. Dizzy did make comments about not knowing 3p mechs

"I still think Porscha is town, though I have little experience with them. I get what Arc was saying when he suggested Porscha wanted to be scum read, which I thought was a good observation on Arc's part. I think Screen spewed himself town by defending Falcon in a way that was just complaining without trying to offer up alternatives. I'll read the reference game you gave me on Rondo now, to see if that changes my already diffuse perspective on him. " the first 2 here seem like logical towny thoughts. the 3rd I can't comment on.

[Arcbell]

"My biggest value as town is to not get chopped, because I'm towny and I just don't get chopped. So you looking for another suspect and finding me is particularly anti-town and annoying here. Most people are not paying a lot of attention and will sheep whoever has a strong read. " This is pretty logical. Hes just saying you're annoying, not scum for it. This is consistent with his theme this game which has been the PAIN of not knowing who's mafia

[Arcbell]

Yea like Mac, literally all of what Dizzy is saying seems consistent to me idk

[Mizery]

The "i can't wait for the wacky pocketing" implies that they are going to experience some wacky mafia pocketing other mafia members imo.

Why is that a slip though? That could happen.

it implies they'd recognise it during the game. that it'd be happening to them.

[MacDougall]

Dizzy stole the screenplay read off me holus bolus.

Dizzy's Porscha read is nonsense.

Him being mad that I 3p read him flies given I now think he's packwolf.

Dizzy spent most of day 2 acting like convincing me he was town was the most important thing in the universe. To the complete absolution of solving the game.

[Arcbell]

The "i can't wait for the wacky pocketing" implies that they are going to experience some wacky mafia pocketing other mafia members imo.

Why is that a slip though? That could happen.

it implies they'd recognise it during the game. that it'd be happening to them.

Oooo okay i c i c

I wouldn't quite put that in slip territory b/c it could just be an abstract thought about the setup or something she can't wait to see postgame but good catch