I'm voting Jack, because I'm out of options. I really don't know.
HK vote Jack with the reasoning of "Do things" or something like that. HK voting the last mafia without pushing him would be kind of typical. I guess that's my reasoning. It's not great reasoning.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:36 amYea I saw this and it could sort of be a reason to townread her, but at this point it's just some wording vs. a mountain of towny stuff from other people imo
My wording reads are my best reads. Sometimes. But of course I could be wrong.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:36 am
I'm voting Jack, because I'm out of options. I really don't know.
HK vote Jack with the reasoning of "Do things" or something like that. HK voting the last mafia without pushing him would be kind of typical. I guess that's my reasoning. It's not great reasoning.
[VOTE:
Jack] aubergine
Yea this is the other option for me atp but I have to go re-read him and that's work and idk if mizery has earned that yet, they seem reluctant to engage / answer questions
I still feel pretty good about hard shielding dizzy, porscha, and lag. Maybe this ends up clowning me in the post-game, but I feel strongly about it if I can be said to feel anything at all.
Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:14 pm
Lag/Arc giving the vibes that it's in there for how supportive they've been of eachother and i dislike that read
are you sure this isn't just a solution to the problem of how to omgus 2 people at the same time?
no, lol
but I'm willing to sheep a TR on porscha rn. The wolf obviously feels comfortable if they're going after the 3p. Either that or the wolf is mac and they accidentally hit the 3p, but lol I'm not going down that rabbit hole until i have to which should hopefully be never lol
Mh.
This is the type of read that only I make and only I agree with. Buuut, I kind of think this makes Mizery not mafia. Cause if Mizery is mafia, I don't think she does feel comfortable. And it's rare for mafia to post boastful things when the game is ongoing. It would be kind of like saying "Well, I'm comfortable and not worried that you noobs would get me, so I shot Mac lol". I mean, it's not that, but that's kind of the mind frame behind it. And that is rare for mafia. MAYBE. Probably.
This is too bad, cause I was starting to think it might be her.
idk tbh i feel like that post is well withing m scumrange to make at this point?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:06 pm
Hollowkatt would be swimming with the fishes right now if not for the fact that I know I'd be dead n1 100% of the time if he had a choice. So at best he's maf 3p.
If Dizzy got taken off the table I'd probably put a bullet in Arcbell first.
I'm hurt, sir, that you underestimate my pocketing skills that much.
I N1 Seanzie every time
see my thing with lag is they kept saying "give me some time with miz to interact and I''m confident I will be able to read them" and not only have they still not put in effort to solve me, but they spent the time we were voth in thread memeing with me which I feel is completely >rand w from them
I also do think that HK's approach to me was unpartnered and the fact that that approach had a lot to do with HK's interactions with lag is something that I feel lag should be able to see.
Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:07 pm
I also do think that HK's approach to me was unpartnered and the fact that that approach had a lot to do with HK's interactions with lag is something that I feel lag should be able to see.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:25 pm
Btw just something I want to point out, HK has almost 0 reason to anti-spew. It's not like if mafia team can win for him if he dies early.
which is why assuming that the other wolf had to be on Falcon is a bad assumption- he'd want make sure he was voting right as to not die.
He would need wolves to win, but another option is trying to get the wolves to die early, taking their NK, and then playing like an SK? how reliable would that be vs. trying to signal who he is so they can not push him or something? idk. He could have also been playing to try and get nkd so they could find him
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:31 pm
Jack/Porscha doesn't look like it's a thing. Jack voted her 7 min before EoD, I followed. But I do think it's conceivable that Porscha could be run down. There was a lot of chaos during EoD.
They wouldn't know of each other's existence given that Falcon was the team mafia, yeah?
Well, yeah. Unless Jack 3p. Knowing of each other only goes one way. Though the mafia might have a good idea.
do you think the 3p would want to signal here or not? I was thinking about that in my fevered half-sleep this afternoon and couldn't come to a decision
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:25 pm
Btw just something I want to point out, HK has almost 0 reason to anti-spew. It's not like if mafia team can win for him if he dies early.
which is why assuming that the other wolf had to be on Falcon is a bad assumption- he'd want make sure he was voting right as to not die.
He would need wolves to win, but another option is trying to get the wolves to die early, taking their NK, and then playing like an SK? how reliable would that be vs. trying to signal who he is so they can not push him or something? idk. He could have also been playing to try and get nkd so they could find him
I'm not assuming anything about who voted on falcon. Reading Hollow's iso I don't really see much that looks like spew on you though, he basically tr'd everyone. He did agree with lag's fos on you to an extent but never pushed it
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:25 pm
Btw just something I want to point out, HK has almost 0 reason to anti-spew. It's not like if mafia team can win for him if he dies early.
which is why assuming that the other wolf had to be on Falcon is a bad assumption- he'd want make sure he was voting right as to not die.
He would need wolves to win, but another option is trying to get the wolves to die early, taking their NK, and then playing like an SK? how reliable would that be vs. trying to signal who he is so they can not push him or something? idk. He could have also been playing to try and get nkd so they could find him
I'm not assuming anything about who voted on falcon. Reading Hollow's iso I don't really see much that looks like spew on you though, he basically tr'd everyone. He did agree with lag's fos on you to an extent but never pushed it
I never said you did lol, I was making a general comment
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:25 pm
Btw just something I want to point out, HK has almost 0 reason to anti-spew. It's not like if mafia team can win for him if he dies early.
which is why assuming that the other wolf had to be on Falcon is a bad assumption- he'd want make sure he was voting right as to not die.
He would need wolves to win, but another option is trying to get the wolves to die early, taking their NK, and then playing like an SK? how reliable would that be vs. trying to signal who he is so they can not push him or something? idk. He could have also been playing to try and get nkd so they could find him
I'm not assuming anything about who voted on falcon. Reading Hollow's iso I don't really see much that looks like spew on you though, he basically tr'd everyone. He did agree with lag's fos on you to an extent but never pushed it
I never said you did lol, I was making a general comment
mb,mb
I can't see HK as being aware of lag's alignment here. He casts too much shade on lag and then turns around and puts most of his effort into hashing things out with lag. Why wouldn't he just direct pocket them instead of doing things like this
Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:31 pm
I was hoping Arcbell had a volume tell, but he post-capped or near post-capped every day he was alive in the only other game I've played with him (he was wolf in that game)
why not just read for content? that shouldn't be difficult
I like the way Arcbell thinks and have a weakness to it.
But actually his posts do feel towny, I'm not entirely sure why, but I have a gut townread on him.
this phrasing is weird.
I find arc townie b/c of his posts, you seem to be saying you find him townie despite his townie posts?
I find his posts townie, I'm just not entirely sure why I find his posts townie though.
What part was unclear?
the part where it read like your town read of arc is separate from you thinking his posts are townie
where he's accusing lag of reading me for non-alignment reasons
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:25 pm
Btw just something I want to point out, HK has almost 0 reason to anti-spew. It's not like if mafia team can win for him if he dies early.
which is why assuming that the other wolf had to be on Falcon is a bad assumption- he'd want make sure he was voting right as to not die.
He would need wolves to win, but another option is trying to get the wolves to die early, taking their NK, and then playing like an SK? how reliable would that be vs. trying to signal who he is so they can not push him or something? idk. He could have also been playing to try and get nkd so they could find him
I'm not assuming anything about who voted on falcon. Reading Hollow's iso I don't really see much that looks like spew on you though, he basically tr'd everyone. He did agree with lag's fos on you to an extent but never pushed it
I never said you did lol, I was making a general comment
mb,mb
I can't see HK as being aware of lag's alignment here. He casts too much shade on lag and then turns around and puts most of his effort into hashing things out with lag. Why wouldn't he just direct pocket them instead of doing things like this
Lag wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:31 pm
I was hoping Arcbell had a volume tell, but he post-capped or near post-capped every day he was alive in the only other game I've played with him (he was wolf in that game)
why not just read for content? that shouldn't be difficult
I like the way Arcbell thinks and have a weakness to it.
But actually his posts do feel towny, I'm not entirely sure why, but I have a gut townread on him.
this phrasing is weird.
I find arc townie b/c of his posts, you seem to be saying you find him townie despite his townie posts?
I find his posts townie, I'm just not entirely sure why I find his posts townie though.
What part was unclear?
the part where it read like your town read of arc is separate from you thinking his posts are townie
where he's accusing lag of reading me for non-alignment reasons
feels like you're trying to push "absence = wolf" here.
You've not been entirely absent, but like, I could basically copy paste the post I made from last game where I correctly wolf-read you there.
And the same logic applies here. You have no fire
"you have no fire"
Correction. "You have no fire" was Lag to HK. Not the other way around.
I just read that interaction. I don't find it clearing for Lag. However, I think Lag has been really towny. But I'm circling around on everyone right now. I don't really buy that it's Mizery either tbh.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:25 pm
Btw just something I want to point out, HK has almost 0 reason to anti-spew. It's not like if mafia team can win for him if he dies early.
which is why assuming that the other wolf had to be on Falcon is a bad assumption- he'd want make sure he was voting right as to not die.
He would need wolves to win, but another option is trying to get the wolves to die early, taking their NK, and then playing like an SK? how reliable would that be vs. trying to signal who he is so they can not push him or something? idk. He could have also been playing to try and get nkd so they could find him
I'm not assuming anything about who voted on falcon. Reading Hollow's iso I don't really see much that looks like spew on you though, he basically tr'd everyone. He did agree with lag's fos on you to an extent but never pushed it
I never said you did lol, I was making a general comment
mb,mb
I can't see HK as being aware of lag's alignment here. He casts too much shade on lag and then turns around and puts most of his effort into hashing things out with lag. Why wouldn't he just direct pocket them instead of doing things like this
feels like you're trying to push "absence = wolf" here.
You've not been entirely absent, but like, I could basically copy paste the post I made from last game where I correctly wolf-read you there.
And the same logic applies here. You have no fire
"you have no fire"
Correction. "You have no fire" was Lag to HK. Not the other way around.
I just read that interaction. I don't find it clearing for Lag. However, I think Lag has been really towny. But I'm circling around on everyone right now. I don't really buy that it's Mizery either tbh.
Ah yea thx for the correction.
Would you flesh out the mizery tr? So far no one has been up to the task
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:31 pm
Jack/Porscha doesn't look like it's a thing. Jack voted her 7 min before EoD, I followed. But I do think it's conceivable that Porscha could be run down. There was a lot of chaos during EoD.
They wouldn't know of each other's existence given that Falcon was the team mafia, yeah?
Well, yeah. Unless Jack 3p. Knowing of each other only goes one way. Though the mafia might have a good idea.
do you think the 3p would want to signal here or not? I was thinking about that in my fevered half-sleep this afternoon and couldn't come to a decision
These ones @Dizzy
There's no reason he'd try to make it look that way since if he dies he loses so death framing doesn't help him
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:31 pm
Jack/Porscha doesn't look like it's a thing. Jack voted her 7 min before EoD, I followed. But I do think it's conceivable that Porscha could be run down. There was a lot of chaos during EoD.
They wouldn't know of each other's existence given that Falcon was the team mafia, yeah?
Well, yeah. Unless Jack 3p. Knowing of each other only goes one way. Though the mafia might have a good idea.
do you think the 3p would want to signal here or not? I was thinking about that in my fevered half-sleep this afternoon and couldn't come to a decision
Oh this. I did mention this already. This is literally 13 minutes before he's about to die. He doesn't signal to his partner right before he's about to flip, that's just stupid. He might've had a thought of trying to make it look this way though. Which isn't stupid, but meh.
The comment about being good at reading me is referencing previous games.
Actually, after I voted HK (FIRST btw), I was thinking about whether I was happy with the vote or not. And HK not coming to my defence, even though I was suspected by others, made me even more fine with my HK vote. Cause as town he would be invested in making others see me as town too. Didn't verbalise this though. Also not really relevant now.
It's interesting that you think it's a possibility he was trying to make it look this way
Again he has 0 reason to make it look that way since death=loss. He's not a normal mafia team member who wants to throw town off after they flip. Were you voting him at that time?
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:25 pm
Btw just something I want to point out, HK has almost 0 reason to anti-spew. It's not like if mafia team can win for him if he dies early.
which is why assuming that the other wolf had to be on Falcon is a bad assumption- he'd want make sure he was voting right as to not die.
He would need wolves to win, but another option is trying to get the wolves to die early, taking their NK, and then playing like an SK? how reliable would that be vs. trying to signal who he is so they can not push him or something? idk. He could have also been playing to try and get nkd so they could find him
I'm not assuming anything about who voted on falcon. Reading Hollow's iso I don't really see much that looks like spew on you though, he basically tr'd everyone. He did agree with lag's fos on you to an extent but never pushed it
I never said you did lol, I was making a general comment
mb,mb
I can't see HK as being aware of lag's alignment here. He casts too much shade on lag and then turns around and puts most of his effort into hashing things out with lag. Why wouldn't he just direct pocket them instead of doing things like this
You've not been entirely absent, but like, I could basically copy paste the post I made from last game where I correctly wolf-read you there.
And the same logic applies here. You have no fire
"you have no fire"
Correction. "You have no fire" was Lag to HK. Not the other way around.
I just read that interaction. I don't find it clearing for Lag. However, I think Lag has been really towny. But I'm circling around on everyone right now. I don't really buy that it's Mizery either tbh.
Ah yea thx for the correction.
Would you flesh out the mizery tr? So far no one has been up to the task
I don't know if I can beyond what I've already said.
HK's handling of her. Her words.
Not sure how she struggles to read me, but I'll let her talk about that. I feel she's mostly ignored me this game.
Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:30 pm
which is why assuming that the other wolf had to be on Falcon is a bad assumption- he'd want make sure he was voting right as to not die.
He would need wolves to win, but another option is trying to get the wolves to die early, taking their NK, and then playing like an SK? how reliable would that be vs. trying to signal who he is so they can not push him or something? idk. He could have also been playing to try and get nkd so they could find him
I'm not assuming anything about who voted on falcon. Reading Hollow's iso I don't really see much that looks like spew on you though, he basically tr'd everyone. He did agree with lag's fos on you to an extent but never pushed it
I never said you did lol, I was making a general comment
mb,mb
I can't see HK as being aware of lag's alignment here. He casts too much shade on lag and then turns around and puts most of his effort into hashing things out with lag. Why wouldn't he just direct pocket them instead of doing things like this
Correction. "You have no fire" was Lag to HK. Not the other way around.
I just read that interaction. I don't find it clearing for Lag. However, I think Lag has been really towny. But I'm circling around on everyone right now. I don't really buy that it's Mizery either tbh.
Ah yea thx for the correction.
Would you flesh out the mizery tr? So far no one has been up to the task
I don't know if I can beyond what I've already said.
HK's handling of her. Her words.
Not sure how she struggles to read me, but I'll let her talk about that. I feel she's mostly ignored me this game.
What is HK's handling of her? I asked her to give examples of this and none given. Which stand out to you?
@Lag @Jack can you guys tell me I'm crazy if I'm crazy for thinking those quotes are Hollowcat trying to signal to Dizzy in a last-ditch effort to get them to unvote him?
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:00 pm
It's interesting that you think it's a possibility he was trying to make it look this way
Again he has 0 reason to make it look that way since death=loss. He's not a normal mafia team member who wants to throw town off after they flip. Were you voting him at that time?
Yes. I voted him before anyone else this day. I voted him instead of voting NAA, who was my counter wagon. And I told the game how I thought NAA was town.
And I'm pretty sure HK fully tried to help the mafia.
Just based on the kind of person and player he is.
Like, I'm pretty sure he saw himself as mafia sided and if he was to go down (which he didn't seem very interested in avoiding), he would root for mafia and try to help mafia. And I would guess this was how he was playing the entire game.
Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:00 pm
It's interesting that you think it's a possibility he was trying to make it look this way
Again he has 0 reason to make it look that way since death=loss. He's not a normal mafia team member who wants to throw town off after they flip. Were you voting him at that time?
Yes. I voted him before anyone else this day. I voted him instead of voting NAA, who was my counter wagon. And I told the game how I thought NAA was town.
And I'm pretty sure HK fully tried to help the mafia.
Just based on the kind of person and player he is.
Like, I'm pretty sure he saw himself as mafia sided and if he was to go down (which he didn't seem very interested in avoiding), he would root for mafia and try to help mafia. And I would guess this was how he was playing the entire game.
I'm pretty sure HK was aware of his win condition and wouldn't try an elaborate frame on his deathbed lol
It's pretty weird that dizzy instead of just looking at my quotes and going "that isn't attempted signaling" is trying to convince me HK was scheming an an altruistic manner to help the mafia.
Makes me feel a bit better about the paranoia I'm feeling
