Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Alison]

I may have an outdated view of Creature's meta. Regardless, we ought to let him speak for himself.

I think that's fair yeah.

[Seanzie]

I think ur getting outright baited here, them doing dumb stuff and you attempting to question and make sense of it @Seanzie

If that's the case, then so be it.

Ender could be using Rondo as an excuse to mess around rather than give AI content though, which is worrying. Rondo I kinda expect this from for the entire game. Ender I don't. Could be in fluff still if he is voting for jokesies, but kinda think Ender has been kickin' around enough already to not be in fluff anymore, so I think his vote on Fingersplints meant something.

I don't really think Ender is hiding behind Rondo. His exchange with JJJ about JJJ's squad of three didn't involve Rondo and was an unprompted offering of AI content. He hasn't been particularly forthcoming about his thought processes, but this is unfortunately not uncommon for townies (even though it annoys me) and he's probably given more AI thoughts than most players in the game.

Sounds like you agree that he is unlikely to be in fluff still, and so there probably was/is something to his vote on Fingersplints.

I don't disagree that townies will sometimes be less than forthcoming. Doesn't mean I shouldn't pressure people to answer things though.

I agree he probably has a reason for voting fingersplints and didn't just pick her name out of a hat, yeah. I don't mind you pressuring him to be more forthcoming, I'm just saying I don't think he's hiding behind Rondo.

Speaking of, what are your thoughts on Rondo?

I don't really know how to read players like Rondo, so I don't really try to unless it is pressing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think ur getting outright baited here, them doing dumb stuff and you attempting to question and make sense of it @Seanzie

If that's the case, then so be it.

Ender could be using Rondo as an excuse to mess around rather than give AI content though, which is worrying. Rondo I kinda expect this from for the entire game. Ender I don't. Could be in fluff still if he is voting for jokesies, but kinda think Ender has been kickin' around enough already to not be in fluff anymore, so I think his vote on Fingersplints meant something.

I don't really think Ender is hiding behind Rondo. His exchange with JJJ about JJJ's squad of three didn't involve Rondo and was an unprompted offering of AI content. He hasn't been particularly forthcoming about his thought processes, but this is unfortunately not uncommon for townies (even though it annoys me) and he's probably given more AI thoughts than most players in the game.

Sounds like you agree that he is unlikely to be in fluff still, and so there probably was/is something to his vote on Fingersplints.

I don't disagree that townies will sometimes be less than forthcoming. Doesn't mean I shouldn't pressure people to answer things though.

I agree he probably has a reason for voting fingersplints and didn't just pick her name out of a hat, yeah. I don't mind you pressuring him to be more forthcoming, I'm just saying I don't think he's hiding behind Rondo.

Speaking of, what are your thoughts on Rondo?

I don't really know how to read players like Rondo, so I don't really try to unless it is pressing.

<3

[falcon45ca]

Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

@Seanzie how do you feel about this assertion

How do you feel about it?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

[RondoDimBuckle]

Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

@Seanzie how do you feel about this assertion

How do you feel about it?

Oooo HAHAHAHA. 'You dare use my own spells against me Falcon?!' - Seanzie

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

@Seanzie how do you feel about this assertion

How do you feel about it?

As a surface read I can understand the perception. I wouldn't call Seanzie "awkward", but perhaps "stiff" is appropriate. I'm not sure that has to be a bad thing; it depends upon the player.

[Alison]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

[Seanzie]

Sean feels...stiff, awkward.

@Seanzie how do you feel about this assertion

How do you feel about it?

As a surface read I can understand the perception. I wouldn't call Seanzie "awkward", but perhaps "stiff" is appropriate. I'm not sure that has to be a bad thing; it depends upon the player.

It kind of feels like you really want to townread me, but not necessarily for ITT reasons.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

On top of that. Its just a game and while I take it seriously I am not going to OMOGUS unless I see a benefit and trying to push you back is the dumbest thing I can think of unless I have proof

[Seanzie]

Eh, I'd support a Rondo chop on policy, assuming nothing major comes up later.

[robyn]

what does ITT mean

[Alison]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

You didn't exactly jump for joy though. I said I suspected you, you were like "ha ha ha, I knew it!" and then proceeded to steadfastly ignore me from then until now. I didn't get the impression you were trying to fish reactions out of me or that you felt particularly gleeful. I'd expect a troll who really wanted me to attack them to at least tease or bait me once or twice, but you've mostly ignored me, even in the face of constant provocation (ie. me talking about you a bunch).

[RondoDimBuckle]

Eh, I'd support a Rondo chop on policy, assuming nothing major comes up later.

But I made a lovely meme for you

[Seanzie]

what does ITT mean

In the thread.

[NateTheLesser]

Nate I dont want to call you out or anything.... But I am calling you out.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

You didn't exactly jump for joy though. I said I suspected you, you were like "ha ha ha, I knew it!" and then proceeded to steadfastly ignore me from then until now. I didn't get the impression you were trying to fish reactions out of me or that you felt particularly gleeful. I'd expect a troll who really wanted me to attack them to at least tease or bait me once or twice, but you've mostly ignored me, even in the face of constant provocation (ie. me talking about you a bunch).

Spoiler: show

1 Because I am at work so I dont have unlimited time.

I hate ATE so I am going to hide that
2 because we have played that game in the past and it just gets me chopped eventually so I am trying something new where I just ignore you.
3 because I dont have any support yet so I have no in thread power
4 its day 1 so meh
5 Other people are more interesting than you
6 I have lunch now so I am finishing my list
7 maybe I should

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

Nate I dont want to call you out or anything.... But I am calling you out.

You were just watching and I wanted to see what you would do. Nice gif, carry on

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It kind of feels like you really want to townread me, but not necessarily for ITT reasons.

What gives you the impression that I “want” to town read you, and what do you mean by non-ITT reasons

[Alison]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

You didn't exactly jump for joy though. I said I suspected you, you were like "ha ha ha, I knew it!" and then proceeded to steadfastly ignore me from then until now. I didn't get the impression you were trying to fish reactions out of me or that you felt particularly gleeful. I'd expect a troll who really wanted me to attack them to at least tease or bait me once or twice, but you've mostly ignored me, even in the face of constant provocation (ie. me talking about you a bunch).

Spoiler: show

1 Because I am at work so I dont have unlimited time.

I hate ATE so I am going to hide that
2 because we have played that game in the past and it just gets me chopped eventually so I am trying something new where I just ignore you.
3 because I dont have any support yet so I have no in thread power
4 its day 1 so meh
5 Other people are more interesting than you
6 I have lunch now so I am finishing my list
7 maybe I should

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

"I am happy that you attacked me because I'm a troll who craves attention, but now that you've actually attacked me and given me what I want, I'm going to hide that emotion because I don't want to use AtE"? How does that make sense as a thought process? Why would expressing happiness be AtE at all?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rondo following a pledge to avoid omgus with an immediate vote for Alison is an adventure

[Alison]

I mean I think Rondo has just been full of shit this game.

[Seanzie]

It kind of feels like you really want to townread me, but not necessarily for ITT reasons.

What gives you the impression that I “want” to town read you, and what do you mean by non-ITT reasons

Your read on me feels overly generous, and when questioned on it, you softened it but didn't flip it. "stiff" rarely is a good thing in mafia, and doesn't describe my townplay, but you seem to find excuses to not count it against me.

By not IIT reasons, I mean I am considering that you might have ulterior motives for your townread of me.

[Seanzie]

I mean I think Rondo has just been full of shit this game.

Why are you so concerned with Rondo? Do you feel like this is pushing the game forward in a productive way?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I mean I think Rondo has just been full of shit this game.

Rondo following a pledge to avoid omgus with an immediate vote for Alison is an adventure

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

You didn't exactly jump for joy though. I said I suspected you, you were like "ha ha ha, I knew it!" and then proceeded to steadfastly ignore me from then until now. I didn't get the impression you were trying to fish reactions out of me or that you felt particularly gleeful. I'd expect a troll who really wanted me to attack them to at least tease or bait me once or twice, but you've mostly ignored me, even in the face of constant provocation (ie. me talking about you a bunch).

Spoiler: show

1 Because I am at work so I dont have unlimited time.

I hate ATE so I am going to hide that
2 because we have played that game in the past and it just gets me chopped eventually so I am trying something new where I just ignore you.
3 because I dont have any support yet so I have no in thread power
4 its day 1 so meh
5 Other people are more interesting than you
6 I have lunch now so I am finishing my list
7 maybe I should

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

"I am happy that you attacked me because I'm a troll who craves attention, but now that you've actually attacked me and given me what I want, I'm going to hide that emotion because I don't want to use AtE"? How does that make sense as a thought process? Why would expressing happiness be AtE at all?

[NateTheLesser]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

On top of that. Its just a game and while I take it seriously I am not going to OMOGUS unless I see a benefit and trying to push you back is the dumbest thing I can think of unless I have proof

Does Alison stand out in this playerlist as someone you'd be wary to push? (I see you've voted there since this post)

[RondoDimBuckle]

I mean I think Rondo has just been full of shit this game.

Why are you so concerned with Rondo? Do you feel like this is pushing the game forward in a productive way?

Yay, there it is. <3

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

On top of that. Its just a game and while I take it seriously I am not going to OMOGUS unless I see a benefit and trying to push you back is the dumbest thing I can think of unless I have proof

Does Alison stand out in this playerlist as someone you'd be wary to push? (I see you've voted there since this post)

Alison at least in what I have seen and heard is widely regarded as a powerful solver. If she wants me gone I am gone. I dont have the reputation to stop it. Its happened to me twice. Once when I was new and no one knew me and once when Mac was hard town shielding me as IC and he was right she still wanted to resolve me because she hates how I play. I love it.

[Boquise]

@boq was my game a normal champs game?

I have only read your game's lylo atm but that was very typical of a champ qualifier at least tbh!


What spurred you to write your heads-up wall (the one about how this set-up works etc.)?

read the message i sent after it

Yea, reason why I ask is because it is the third of its "genre" (both JJJ and I have made similar posts) so was wondering if you felt spurred to do it too tbh!

not spurred, more so reminded about a similar post that was relevant

Cool you can keep being town tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It kind of feels like you really want to townread me, but not necessarily for ITT reasons.

What gives you the impression that I “want” to town read you, and what do you mean by non-ITT reasons

Your read on me feels overly generous, and when questioned on it, you softened it but didn't flip it. "stiff" rarely is a good thing in mafia, and doesn't describe my townplay, but you seem to find excuses to not count it against me.

By not IIT reasons, I mean I am considering that you might have ulterior motives for your townread of me.

I would liken “stiffness” to “stiltedness”, which is one of those popular “tells” in the Mafia landscape that I don’t believe has a meaningful hit rate. I wouldn’t necessarily say you seem that stilted anyway, but I can understand the perception. Your posts have a low emotional variance. I haven’t known you to be a very emotional player in general.

[Boquise]

Also apparently I know more people than just Creature and JJJ here. I should have read the player list smh

Tho idk if we have ever played before Dizzy?

I don't think we have, so that's exciting!

Based on my limited knowledge, I think our play styles shouldn't be too dissimilar.

Too bad I will be a background character this game.

Your use of Agent Cooper also always brings a smile to my face. And my dimples are amazing tbh

Wahoooo hype tbh!

[Boquise]

I don't entirely like it.

What's your thoughts on me tbh

[Boquise]

Is this gonna be a game where players don't play just because they expect someone else to do all the work?

I mean, I asked you a question and you didn't answer tbh, unless I will find it on my read up tbh

[Seanzie]

It kind of feels like you really want to townread me, but not necessarily for ITT reasons.

What gives you the impression that I “want” to town read you, and what do you mean by non-ITT reasons

Your read on me feels overly generous, and when questioned on it, you softened it but didn't flip it. "stiff" rarely is a good thing in mafia, and doesn't describe my townplay, but you seem to find excuses to not count it against me.

By not IIT reasons, I mean I am considering that you might have ulterior motives for your townread of me.

I would liken “stiffness” to “stiltedness”, which is one of those popular “tells” in the Mafia landscape that I don’t believe has a meaningful hit rate. I wouldn’t necessarily say you seem that stilted anyway, but I can understand the perception. Your posts have a low emotional variance. I haven’t known you to be a very emotional player in general.

Hmm... okay

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

[robyn]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age

[RondoDimBuckle]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

In the interest of not being a total ass. I dont mean hates me as in me, just my slot. I dont see it as a bad thing, its normal to dislike other peoples playstyles but that is half the fun. Ill rephrase going forward if you're talking in your capacity as a mod

[Boquise]

Regarding the "not say your wolf leans on D0" thing I asked Creature about. I mentioned that there are some reasons and given Creature has now replied, I will say mine.

Scum reads tend to make people defensive/emotional. Since D0 seems to be jokish, I reckon it could from one perspective ruin the "chill phase" and from another perspective, give scum hints on how to act accordingly.

I am not really pro hiding thoughts, but I think it is better to focus on town reads. I did have a dude on my ol' homesite who was great at sniffing out scum in our N1 phases tho (we had N1 starting before D1 and open night chat for everyone) by just looking at how players acted, if they were nervous etc.


Creature's response is lol and creature-esque. I'm not really satisfied, but it is D0 so!

Making people defensive and emotional is a good way of both finding and executing scum.

In certain situations, yes. In certain situations, no tbh. It can also make a game into a toxic and unpleasant one, and that ain't how I roll tbh! Ftr I use this approach at my job, and I am the teacher who is the likeliest to catch you lying

[RondoDimBuckle]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age

no way, a mod is a mod, wolf or not

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

In the interest of not being a total ass. I dont mean hates me as in me, just my slot. I dont see it as a bad thing, its normal to dislike other peoples playstyles but that is half the fun. Ill rephrase going forward if you're talking in your capacity as a mod

Definitely don’t mean as a mod. Just a suggestion for the sake of game state thanks

[RondoDimBuckle]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

In the interest of not being a total ass. I dont mean hates me as in me, just my slot. I dont see it as a bad thing, its normal to dislike other peoples playstyles but that is half the fun. Ill rephrase going forward if you're talking in your capacity as a mod

Definitely don’t mean as a mod. Just a suggestion for the sake of game state thanks

No worries. I have been accused recently of being a bit of a dick so I want to ease up on it in my play

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age

Lucy just savagely calling everyone old

I’m old

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@NateTheLesser any initial impressions

[robyn]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age

Lucy just savagely calling everyone old

I’m old

culture shock, I'll forget it very quickly

[RondoDimBuckle]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age

Lucy just savagely calling everyone old

I’m old

culture shock, I'll forget it very quickly

Where are you from? That might help me deal with the disconnect I have with you

[Boquise]

@boquise How good would you say JJJ is at reading you?

I think he has a good track record though that is based on just a few games:

JJJ was one of the few players in S7 semi who correctly town read me. That was a game where basically everyone else hardcore tunnelled me (which was exhausting and confidence-murdering since my quali was like that too but worse).

Iirc, JJJ correctly town read me as a spectator in both my quali and finale game last season. Also one comment I always remember from my vanity reading is JJJ's observation during the semi. He was happy that to see me take lead and actually try to be dominant with my reads. I don't include this game as a correct read because I was outed PR, but still! It is one of those little things that motivates me to improve tbh, and I think JJJ as a player will keep an eye on these little things in this game.

Basically, how JJJ got his read on me is how I expect him to read me, and he keeps being accurate tbh

[NateTheLesser]

I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you

yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age

Lucy just savagely calling everyone old

I’m old

She also seems to equate "old" with "maturity" and "lack of toxicity", which shows she has much to learn :P

[Boquise]

JJJ and Sean doing a cute lil' dance around each other here.


69% chance one of em' is Maf

Please tell me more, falcon. Tell me everything.

OK, but it'll cost ya.




If you're good at something, never do it for free

You're quite more jokish than in your quali. Albeit i have only D1 so far tbh

Are you feeling more relaxed or something? Considering this isn't a high stakes game tbh

I am quite relaxed, tho you have me at a disadvantage...do I know you under a different name?

I'm in the season 9 jury and am currently reading your quali tbh