Reanimators [MAFIA WIN!]

[Porscha]

speak of the devil

were your ears burning creature

[MartinGG99]

hmm...

[MartinGG99]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

This looks like a great way to generate discussion!

[RondoDimBuckle]

This looks like a great way to generate discussion!

be the discussion you want to see in the world

[DaughterOfOmega]

i voted someone

[MartinGG99]

decided to actually put thought into this

I doubt there's resurrections that change alignment unless that's, like, the only power that exists for the team that is doing the resurrection + change

or if there's in-game countermeasures that I don't know about

there may have been such a thing before this setup was down-sized but with a smaller player base I think resurrects + alignment changes are just too powerful and swingy since the proportional effect of changing one slot is much higher

That's pretty much what I thought when I saw it. I figure it's just a just in case thing and is probably only going to be tied to a role changing it's own alignment on revival, kind of like the old Judas thing.

I honestly would not be surprised if that's in the game since the role is basically themed for this style of game and I consider it pretty well known.

I think the best way to treat the possibility of alignment changing upon being revived is to just treat those revived as if they are not the same slot/role/alignment that was prior to death unless someone actually claims the mechanic that lead to their revival in which case they would be judged based on if that is believable or not.

It might not be likely that a lot of people would be changing alignments, but it would be the safer approach.

Well if they really don't die ("flip") then I'll be more likely to believe it as it doesn't confirm anything about them

If they do flip I think its more likely that their alignment doesn't change as having a mafia who once flipped green, in even a game where we may have to consider that as a possibility, is probably too powerful

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Why me?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: seaneize] aubergine

[Seanzie]

What an entertaining day

Assuming this is sarcastic, agreed. This gamestart has been very slow and I'm not sure what to make of it. I suppose I am partially to blame though so... yay.

[Marmot]

I am voting falcon immediately and indefinitely until I am persuaded otherwise

Vote for sexy flanders instead

[Marmot]

20 hours into Day 1, and the median post count is 4. Yeah that's low.

[Seanzie]

Y'all should vote Martin.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Yeah you cuz, come play

[Marmot]

Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?

[Marmot]

At first, I assumed that part of the reason that there is a double-yeet on Day 2 is that the game starts with an even number of players, but with rezzes happening, that might not be relevant.

[Seanzie]

Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?

His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

[Marmot]

Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?

His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

Do you think that is AI?

Part of why I ask is that I remember a scenario where Dizzy suspected you for a very similar thing (It was the Mad 17er setup) in a game on MU last year, and you were town in that scenario (and he was a wolf).

[Marmot]

I mildly townread Rondo on tone, so I'm shielding them from Mac atm

[Seanzie]

Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?

His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

Do you think that is AI?

Part of why I ask is that I remember a scenario where Dizzy suspected you for a very similar thing (It was the Mad 17er setup) in a game on MU last year, and you were town in that scenario (and he was a wolf).

I remember the game (it was on MafC, not MU, but whatever), and I do see how you could draw a parallel, but I still think you should vote Martin.

[RondoDimBuckle]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

[Marmot]

nai?

[Marmot]

Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?

His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

Do you think that is AI?

Part of why I ask is that I remember a scenario where Dizzy suspected you for a very similar thing (It was the Mad 17er setup) in a game on MU last year, and you were town in that scenario (and he was a wolf).

I remember the game (it was on MafC, not MU, but whatever), and I do see how you could draw a parallel, but I still think you should vote Martin.

Oops, that's what I meant.

But I am now thoroughly convinced. [VOTE: martin] aubergine

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

I'm gonna hedge and say flipped scum coming back as scum over and over makes for a super dull game where we just go into a cycle of flipping the same player over and over.

Anyways, fuck mech talk til we have some flips, it feels like a waste of time.

I dont mind that you are voting me but any reason you didnt vote tag it?

No reason really, just dicking around.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Marty did come in pretty hot with oddball reasoning. I approve of the sus.

[RondoDimBuckle]

nai?

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

please quote posts when asking me questions. ty.

you disagree? why?

[LinearPoint]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

Feels way too early for a reads list.

And where the fuck is @falcon45ca ? Seemed pretty charged up to play..

[RondoDimBuckle]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.

Do you have a good reason to town vote him?

[RondoDimBuckle]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

Feels way too early for a reads list.

And where the fuck is @falcon45ca ? Seemed pretty charged up to play..

any specifics you disagree with or just throwing shade?

[LinearPoint]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.

Do you have a good reason to town vote him?

No, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

Feels way too early for a reads list.

And where the fuck is @falcon45ca ? Seemed pretty charged up to play..

any specifics you disagree with or just throwing shade?

Not even sure I'm throwing shade, so much as thinking outloud.
I couldn't do a list this early on you guys. On my homesite maybe, but... yeah.

Carry on though. Don't let me spoil your fun.

I'm gonna [VOTE: omega] aubergine for wagon stuff

[RondoDimBuckle]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.

Do you have a good reason to town vote him?

No, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.

3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviour

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Thinkin Seanzie and Marmot probably town.

[LinearPoint]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.

Do you have a good reason to town vote him?

No, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.

3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviour

I personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.

But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.

[Seanzie]

Looks like the podracing has finally begun.

[Seanzie]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.

Do you have a good reason to town vote him?

No, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.

3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviour

I personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.

But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.

I don't think activity reads are angleshooting, any more than thinking someone is frozen would be, but I agree that Cobalt not posting since D0 is probably just NAI.

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

You threw sus at Flanders and now you are on Seanzie, what changed? Do you still sus Flanders? Do you see him as town or NAI? Why is Seanzie a better vote?

[Seanzie]

Thinkin Seanzie and Marmot probably town.

Can you elaborate on this? Why has what me and Marmot done not something that could come from wolves?

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Yeah you cuz, come play

Any reason to push mac here other than trying to make him come play? Do you think he is scum by slanking when he is [REDACTED] in [REDACTED]?

[RondoDimBuckle]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.

Do you have a good reason to town vote him?

No, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.

3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviour

I personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.

But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.

but you chose to post in his defense instead of say nothing? :think:

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Thinkin Seanzie and Marmot probably town.

Can you elaborate on this? Why has what me and Marmot done not something that could come from wolves?

Vibes, tonal stuff. The way you both approach the thread feels genuine.

Could a wolf do it too? Yes, but you two feel lighter than the rest.

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

no thoughts head empty (literally no posts until this??)

votes falcon anyway tho

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Yet you end up on falcon without even putting a vote tag down?

[LinearPoint]

falcon45ca - nai
Porscha - town
RondoDimBuckle - town
Creature - town
DaughterOfOmega - scum
MartinGG99 - scum
MacDougall - town
Seanzie - town
Marmot - town
LinearPoint - scum
Cobalt - scum
Stupid Sexy Flanders - town

What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.

Do you have a good reason to town vote him?

No, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.

3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviour

I personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.

But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.

but you chose to post in his defense instead of say nothing? :think:

No offense, but criticizing you is not a defense of someone else.

I'm questioning your methodology. The reason I asked if you thought that them not checking in was scum behavior was to see if you had some meta knowledge knowing that Colbalt does this as scum or something.

Your response wasn't that you did and was just that they were slanking which I disagree with since that position is implying that Cobalt has read their rolecard and is choosing not to post when it's equally as reasonable to assume they don't know the game was starting. As far as I can tell there is no real way to distinguish the two hence why I don't think you can call Cobalt scum or town over NAI.

[RondoDimBuckle]

What's up with the Cobalt read? I fail to see the reason for scum reading someone who hasn't posted yet.

Do you have a good reason to town vote him?

No, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.

3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviour

I personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.

But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.

but you chose to post in his defense instead of say nothing? :think:

No offense, but criticizing you is not a defense of someone else.

I'm questioning your methodology. The reason I asked if you thought that them not checking in was scum behavior was to see if you had some meta knowledge knowing that Colbalt does this as scum or something.

Your response wasn't that you did and was just that they were slanking which I disagree with since that position is implying that Cobalt has read their rolecard and is choosing not to post when it's equally as reasonable to assume they don't know the game was starting. As far as I can tell there is no real way to distinguish the two hence why I don't think you can call Cobalt scum or town over NAI.

So do you feel the need to criticize me because I called you scum? (Perhaps you dont want me to think you are attacking me for the scum read so you go after me for calling Cobalt Scum?)

See Cobalt has to have read their role card because they have posted already. Otherwise that is very disingenuous of them. I had it wrong to say they 0 posted, but their post doesnt fill me with confidence either, Just talking about not knowing what a poll is for.

You seem mighty confident to talk on Cobalts behalf on their head space? Could that be because you might have some more information that I dont?

[RondoDimBuckle]

@falcon45ca
@MacDougall
@Cobalt

Don't be shy, lets hear your reads, at least park a vote

@LinearPoint

You've been sitting here a while no money where your mouth is? No vote? You go quiet when pushed?

A series of replies to me in close to or less than 10 minutes apart and now nothing?

I believe Marmot calls this a FREEZE?

[VOTE: LinearPoint ] aubergine

[LinearPoint]

Do you have a good reason to town vote him?

No, I'm just wondering what about Colbalt not checking in is scum indicative in your eyes.

3 days (Australian time) 0 posts, slanking is scum behaviour

I personally think of slanking as putting in minimal contribution in hopes people don't question you, so I wouldn't consider no activity as slanking.

But really this is starting to get to the point of angleshooting anyways and I don't really care to try and rule on someone's alignment based on not having posted yet.

but you chose to post in his defense instead of say nothing? :think:

No offense, but criticizing you is not a defense of someone else.

I'm questioning your methodology. The reason I asked if you thought that them not checking in was scum behavior was to see if you had some meta knowledge knowing that Colbalt does this as scum or something.

Your response wasn't that you did and was just that they were slanking which I disagree with since that position is implying that Cobalt has read their rolecard and is choosing not to post when it's equally as reasonable to assume they don't know the game was starting. As far as I can tell there is no real way to distinguish the two hence why I don't think you can call Cobalt scum or town over NAI.

So do you feel the need to criticize me because I called you scum? (Perhaps you dont want me to think you are attacking me for the scum read so you go after me for calling Cobalt Scum?)

See Cobalt has to have read their role card because they have posted already. Otherwise that is very disingenuous of them. I had it wrong to say they 0 posted, but their post doesnt fill me with confidence either, Just talking about not knowing what a poll is for.

You seem mighty confident to talk on Cobalts behalf on their head space? Could that be because you might have some more information that I dont?

No, I've been clear in the past that I don't care if you think I'm scum. I really don't think I'll change that stance anytime soon.

I just think you're very quick to accuse someone who has not posted yet with such confidence and are getting extremely defensive over having it pointed out.

I feel I'm being quite reasonable here as I am just trying to understand why you are so instant that Cobalt is scum without Cobalt having posted yet.

[LinearPoint]

It's very odd behavior which leads me to think you either are his scum buddy trying to bus him or otherwise have a N0 red check on Cobalt you're not saying.

It's a ridiculous position you hold.

[MartinGG99]

Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?

His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

And what agenda would that be?

Seems a bit too early for wolves to be having agendas imo, especially in a game where not much has happened at that point

So either you're going off what's best a poor suspicion on a player that (I hope) you have some level of respect for

and are just chopping them without further interaction/investigation to see if there's any chance you're wrong

oooooor the non-town explanation here and just adding vague substance to your push to validate it while getting rid of a player who may be relatively dangerous in the future

[RondoDimBuckle]

Y'all should vote Martin.

Why martin?

His take on Flanders didn't really seem like "let me pull us out of fluff" and instead felt like he was coming in too hot to a game that wasn't hot yet. Like he had something to prove.

And what agenda would that be?

Seems a bit too early for wolves to be having agendas imo, especially in a game where not much has happened at that point

So either you're going off what's best a poor suspicion on a player that (I hope) you have some level of respect for

and are just chopping them without further interaction/investigation to see if there's any chance you're wrong

oooooor the non-town explanation here and just adding vague substance to your push to validate it while getting rid of a player who may be relatively dangerous in the future

So your position is that Seanzie is a wolf?