Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Creature]

What's goin on in the thread?

Feels like we're on fire

A fire like this

I see.

Tell me why Dizzy over Seanzie?

Mac's list + I get the feeling Dyslexicon is playing a wolfgame here

Understood. Now how about Wiggin?

Who is Wiggin?

[Dyslexicon]

There we go.

Voting me is kind of a waste of time. I won't be able to get a better sense of the game or what's going on until tomorrow night.
So unless you think I'm the least likely to be town here...
In which case, the game state is pretty unhealthy.

I'm very aware I'm not doing much to help.
Although, I'm also genuinely a free town read, but there would probably be a lot of mental resistance to that and who knows etc.

[Boquise]

To anyone who is voting for fingersplints, here's a couple links to recent wolf games from her.

Fargo Mafia - ok this was from a year ago. This is one of fs's most active games I've seen, she spent a lot of time early on talking about pretty much anything but reads, and even her reads were not very strong at the start.
Mafia Syndicate Normal Game - this is from a few months ago, fs barely posted, and her posts were all very short, and she does seem stilted in this one.

I'm not seeing either of these things from her. Yes fingersplints doesn't post a lot, but that is normal for her (and really it's that the rest of us just post way too much). What I have seen here is an almost immediate attempt to generate reads, explain them, and she's also considering how the game will play out based on flips and looking ahead, an approach which appears to be lacking in her scum meta.

I'd call her town right now.

Does Finger tend to use aggressive phrasing as town when questioned?

Have I used aggressive phrasing?

Yup tbh!
Or well it is hard to put words on what I identified there tbh

[Boquise]

Okay I have a site noob question

Which timezone does this site use?


Sorry for barely being here tbh. I am reading qualis atm as well and feeling wonky. I hope I can do some solving tomorrow tbh

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Boquise]

lucy and Boquise being both unnoticeable makes me a bit worried about them.

Yeah that's fair tbh
I will town it up eventually

Do you have any other takes?

[Seanzie]

Okay I have a site noob question

Which timezone does this site use?


Sorry for barely being here tbh. I am reading qualis atm as well and feeling wonky. I hope I can do some solving tomorrow tbh

It depends on your uesr settings. The best way to figure out what timezone you're currently set to is to wait until someone makes a post (or make one yourself), and then see what the timestamp says.

You can then compare that timestamp to the poll's timestamp to see when day will end.

[Boquise]

Okay I have a site noob question

Which timezone does this site use?


Sorry for barely being here tbh. I am reading qualis atm as well and feeling wonky. I hope I can do some solving tomorrow tbh

It depends on your uesr settings. The best way to figure out what timezone you're currently set to is to wait until someone makes a post (or make one yourself), and then see what the timestamp says.

You can then compare that timestamp to the poll's timestamp to see when day will end.

Thanks tbh!

[Seanzie]

There we go.

Voting me is kind of a waste of time. I won't be able to get a better sense of the game or what's going on until tomorrow night.
So unless you think I'm the least likely to be town here...
In which case, the game state is pretty unhealthy.

I'm very aware I'm not doing much to help.
Although, I'm also genuinely a free town read, but there would probably be a lot of mental resistance to that and who knows etc.

I don't think the votes on you are just pressure votes.

[Seanzie]

Okay I have a site noob question

Which timezone does this site use?


Sorry for barely being here tbh. I am reading qualis atm as well and feeling wonky. I hope I can do some solving tomorrow tbh

It depends on your uesr settings. The best way to figure out what timezone you're currently set to is to wait until someone makes a post (or make one yourself), and then see what the timestamp says.

You can then compare that timestamp to the poll's timestamp to see when day will end.

Thanks tbh!

Oh, I guess it also shows your current timezone setting on the bottom right of every page if you're on a computer (not sure about mobile) but uhh... I don't know where UTC is so I do the method I described first when I want to make sure I know what time EoD is.

[Dyslexicon]

There we go.

Voting me is kind of a waste of time. I won't be able to get a better sense of the game or what's going on until tomorrow night.
So unless you think I'm the least likely to be town here...
In which case, the game state is pretty unhealthy.

I'm very aware I'm not doing much to help.
Although, I'm also genuinely a free town read, but there would probably be a lot of mental resistance to that and who knows etc.

I don't think the votes on you are just pressure votes.

I didn't say they were.
I'm saying that's even worse.

[DrWilgy]

Dizzy, help me yeet [VOTE: Ender] aubergine

[Seanzie]

There we go.

Voting me is kind of a waste of time. I won't be able to get a better sense of the game or what's going on until tomorrow night.
So unless you think I'm the least likely to be town here...
In which case, the game state is pretty unhealthy.

I'm very aware I'm not doing much to help.
Although, I'm also genuinely a free town read, but there would probably be a lot of mental resistance to that and who knows etc.

I don't think the votes on you are just pressure votes.

I didn't say they were.
I'm saying that's even worse.

Meh, there are worse votes out there. A few better ones from people who I think are actively scummy, but your play, along with your knowledge about your own meta makes you unreadable thus far IMO, which means you're solid PoE.

[Dyslexicon]

Meh, there are worse votes out there. A few better ones from people who I think are actively scummy, but your play, along with your knowledge about your own meta makes you unreadable thus far IMO, which means you're solid PoE.

I genuinely think I should be close to lock town here. (Escándalo!)
Being self aware is not the same as having full self control.

[Dyslexicon]

I actually do have something.
I wonder if Finger's vote on me is close to outing.
I read through her ISO, and I think she's probably mafia.

I even have a post game cred team, which I might post later.

[Dyslexicon]

I should probably explain why I think she's mafia.
Her posts doesn't go anywhere.
I think she knew Falcon was town and that is coming through in her posts, for example when talking about Mac's read on Falcon.
Her vote on me is preemptive self pres, with added non-reasoning.
And yes, it is silly. But I think she would feel the urge to do that as mafia, and not town.

Just my feelings on it.

[VOTE: Fingers] aubergine

[NateTheLesser]

@Seanzie what do you think prohibits the existence of opportunism in the early stages of a Day 1 preceded by 24 hours of Day 0 discourse?

A vote with 47 hours left in the day does not really put that person in danger, except in the most extreme of circumstances. The worst it might do is bring slightly more attention to that person, but I'd barely call that "opportunistic". More likely, making an early wagon even bigger is probably more likely to protect that person than anything else - picking up suspicion early on allows for a lot of time for feelings to soften and doubt to sink in, plus if a wagon gets too big early on, people will assume foul play and likely back off.

In the wolf!Ender hypothetical, did you feel their vote was set there? Did you feel that vote put Wilgy in significant danger? What benefit did wolf!Ender really hope to gain from their "opportunistic" vote? Why was it opportunistic rather than distancing, or just a thing to make Ender look like he was doing something/having thoughts?

I'll give a perspective on this because I agree that an early vote can still be opportunistic, in a couple ways. Just thinking in a w!Ender t!Wilgy world for a second here. One way is that he was following your vote, so it can be an easy way to nudge a wagon into forming on someone who's town, while also hopefully making you feel good about Ender because he's agreeing with you (I see it a lot that wolves will sheep reads or sheep votes early on). A second way it can be opportunistic is gamestate; Ender had a vote at that point, so it had the effect of putting another wagon ahead of his without drawing attention to it being self-pres.

Now, that said I don't really see it as unpairing given how early it is, so I wouldn't give it much weight for JJJ's purposes.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm slightly puzzled by how Sean says I'm unreadable,
however, Ender says I have a town entrance on meta (still unexplained as far as I know).

I agree that my play is probably quite unusual, meta wise.
So I'm really wondering how Ender came to this conclusions.

Weirder things have happened, I guess.
But I would really like to know.

[Dyslexicon]

I have a moderate degree of confidence in my vote here,
despite not having read larger parts of the game. (This may also be why haha)
And that's pretty good, being me.

Good night.

[Seanzie]

falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.

67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.

yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol

Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong

Fingersplints, do you recall what changed regarding Falcon for you? Prior to this point in your ISO, it seemed like you perhaps had a reason to think Falcon's actions were at least town-compatible. When did you start to suspect them?

[EnderWiggin]

I'm slightly puzzled by how Sean says I'm unreadable,
however, Ender says I have a town entrance on meta (still unexplained as far as I know).

I agree that my play is probably quite unusual, meta wise.
So I'm really wondering how Ender came to this conclusions.

Weirder things have happened, I guess.
But I would really like to know.

I'm just bad good at this game I guess.

[EnderWiggin]

Man the crossthrough on this site really doesn't show that well.

[EnderWiggin]

Boq and Rondo actually can be cleared in a Marmot!Wolf world, as can Creature probably.

Mildly trusting Seanzie on the unpairing for Creature/Marmot tbh.

Walk me through this? How does Marmot Wolf clear me?

Magic.

But seriously your vote twice put Marmot from "One vote" to "Actual wagon territory" on D1. And chaos muppet that you are, I don't think that's w/w

Meh, the votes weren't that dangerous IMO. Twice he was the lone vote on Marmot for a while, and then the last one he was a second vote (when Falcon had 4 votes). I think I agree with your overall point though, since I don't think he'd vote for Marmot 3 times on day one if they were partners.

Semantics are semantics.

Point is you look at those votes too and you're like "Does Rondo really do this as wolf?"

The answer is yes, probably now it will happen.

But before he was aware he probably wouldn't have.

[EnderWiggin]

I'll be a little busy for the next 12 hours or so, my apologies. I have skimmed fingersplint's posts this page and been left with a generally good impression. Would like more elaboration on how Ender read Dizzy's entrance; which part of it was a towntell, etc.

If I elaborate it won't work anymore lol.

Keeping a read cryptic so you can use it in future games is dumb. You have already been extremely cagey this game; I would like you to please elaborate on the tell you used to read Dizzy.

Please wait 3-5 business days for a response.

[EnderWiggin]

Fingers is a fine wagon.

I might need to revisit it because two of my townreads independantly came to a scumread there.

[robyn]

hello, I'm back from work, give me a bit for some thought

[EnderWiggin]

I'll give you two bits to see some thought.

[Marmot]

Boq and Rondo actually can be cleared in a Marmot!Wolf world, as can Creature probably.

Mildly trusting Seanzie on the unpairing for Creature/Marmot tbh.

We still don't know why you suspect me, so now I'm also confused as to why you're making pre-flip associations based on that.

[Marmot]

I can see what JJJ is doing, but it's not really helpful when there are no wolf flips. Preflip associations are useless because most of the time they could just be t/t and hence a waste of time.

You don't find it helpful or it isn't helpful?

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

Currently, I think the following are various shades of town:

Town

Alison - town
Creature - light town
DrWilgy - strong town
Dyslexicon - light town
RondoDimBuckle - light town
fingersplints - light town
JaggedJimmyJay - strong town

Null

Boquise
lucy
NateTheLesser
Seanzie

Scum

EnderWiggin



I've never actually played with Boq, Nate, or lucy, nor have I put much thought into my read of them this game, which is why they are here. Sean, I don't recall having reason to believe is town (actually I did list one, but I no longer feel that reasoning exists), and Ender was the player I think looks most suspicious thus far.

I don't feel comfortable with the state of this read list, so I will put some effort into adjusting this, both in further informing my poor reads and also further pursuing if I still feel that my light town reads are still townie. I do feel confident on Wilgy and Jay at least.

You put Ender scum but dont point to anything specific? I know what I would point to as pretty suspicious behaviour but what do you see?

I talked about it at the end of Day 1, but his progression to a vote on falcon was non-existant after stating an early townread.

His progression on me today is basically the same. He placed a vote on me without reason. He also stated around that time that he would spend some time investigating a couple other players (I think lucy and fs). I suggested he investigate me given he was voting for me, and his response was "if I have time"

My concern with Ender Day 1 was that he was looking for a way to join the falcon wagon even though he couldn't nor hadn't found a reason to do so, and now that he's doing it to me today, I'm more convinced.

I know you were suspicious of Ender late yesterday due to his progression into voting Falcon, does Falcon flipping town change how you see that at all?

falcon flipping town didn't impact my read much, but that was because one of my primary reasons for suspecting Ender is his handling of falcon (which I'll be honest gave me the thought that falcon was probably town, but I couldn't come to that conclusion from reading falcon's ISO, so I was ok with going forward with the yeet anyway).

I have waffled on Ender since for other reasons, but I still haven't found a confident position yet.

[Marmot]

I'm slightly puzzled by how Sean says I'm unreadable,
however, Ender says I have a town entrance on meta (still unexplained as far as I know).

I agree that my play is probably quite unusual, meta wise.
So I'm really wondering how Ender came to this conclusions.

Weirder things have happened, I guess.
But I would really like to know.

You literally tell me every game that I can't read you Dizzy, and that no one can. You can't change your mind now.

[Marmot]

What mistakes do you think town this game are making?

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

My confidence that Wilgy is town has vanished and I want to try this vote.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

Been vastly busy today.

See Dizzy as prime target? I accept this.

Ender/Marmot/Seanzie are also acceptable.

What's goin on in the thread?

What's goin on in the thread?

Feels like we're on fire

A fire like this

I see.

Tell me why Dizzy over Seanzie?

Mac's list + I get the feeling Dyslexicon is playing a wolfgame here

Understood. Now how about Wiggin?

Dizzy, help me yeet [VOTE: Ender] aubergine

The concern I have with Wilgy today is that this is the information he has volunteered, and it consists solely of an intention to kill Ender. It's very singularly-focused.

On a related note, Ender has not mentioned Wilgy yet today, nor responded to his vote. I'm not sure what to make of that (it could be that he just hasn't been around since Wilgy's vote).

[Marmot]

Hello?

[robyn]

so Ender has read Wigly and Dizzy and hasn't said his reasoning for the reads yet

[robyn]

Eh, I'd support a Rondo chop on policy, assuming nothing major comes up later.

What policy/reasoning specifically?

[Marmot]

He is also voting for me and hasn't explained it.

[EnderWiggin]

so Ender has read Wigly and Dizzy and hasn't said his reasoning for the reads yet

You people explain things?

[Marmot]

Is this just how Ender plays? Incredibly mysterious and chaotic?

[Marmot]

(I read some of his Champs game and I'm leaning towards no)

[EnderWiggin]

Spoiler: show

Been vastly busy today.

See Dizzy as prime target? I accept this.

Ender/Marmot/Seanzie are also acceptable.

What's goin on in the thread?

What's goin on in the thread?

Feels like we're on fire

A fire like this

I see.

Tell me why Dizzy over Seanzie?

Mac's list + I get the feeling Dyslexicon is playing a wolfgame here

Understood. Now how about Wiggin?

Dizzy, help me yeet [VOTE: Ender] aubergine

The concern I have with Wilgy today is that this is the information he has volunteered, and it consists solely of an intention to kill Ender. It's very singularly-focused.

On a related note, Ender has not mentioned Wilgy yet today, nor responded to his vote. I'm not sure what to make of that (it could be that he just hasn't been around since Wilgy's vote).

Wilgy's vote isn't really something I feel I need to respond to anyway

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

Been vastly busy today.

See Dizzy as prime target? I accept this.

Ender/Marmot/Seanzie are also acceptable.

What's goin on in the thread?

What's goin on in the thread?

Feels like we're on fire

A fire like this

I see.

Tell me why Dizzy over Seanzie?

Mac's list + I get the feeling Dyslexicon is playing a wolfgame here

Understood. Now how about Wiggin?

Dizzy, help me yeet [VOTE: Ender] aubergine

The concern I have with Wilgy today is that this is the information he has volunteered, and it consists solely of an intention to kill Ender. It's very singularly-focused.

On a related note, Ender has not mentioned Wilgy yet today, nor responded to his vote. I'm not sure what to make of that (it could be that he just hasn't been around since Wilgy's vote).

Wilgy's vote isn't really something I feel I need to respond to anyway

Why not?

[EnderWiggin]

Is this just how Ender plays? Incredibly mysterious and chaotic?

Sometimes.

I'd say this is me when I'm having fun vs being serious.

Which is not AI, it's RLI.

You will see me be serious in Champs because pressure/expectation.

You might see me be serious on Syndicate.

[EnderWiggin]

Spoiler: show

Been vastly busy today.

See Dizzy as prime target? I accept this.

Ender/Marmot/Seanzie are also acceptable.

What's goin on in the thread?

Feels like we're on fire

A fire like this

I see.

Tell me why Dizzy over Seanzie?

Mac's list + I get the feeling Dyslexicon is playing a wolfgame here

Understood. Now how about Wiggin?

Dizzy, help me yeet [VOTE: Ender] aubergine

The concern I have with Wilgy today is that this is the information he has volunteered, and it consists solely of an intention to kill Ender. It's very singularly-focused.

On a related note, Ender has not mentioned Wilgy yet today, nor responded to his vote. I'm not sure what to make of that (it could be that he just hasn't been around since Wilgy's vote).

Wilgy's vote isn't really something I feel I need to respond to anyway

Why not?

Because it's... a vote?

I don't think I need to discuss every vote on me.

I haven't seen any striking reasons I need to counter.

I just exist in a state that sometimes gets votes.

[Seanzie]

Eh, I'd support a Rondo chop on policy, assuming nothing major comes up later.

What policy/reasoning specifically?

That post was in response to Rondo self-admittedly trolling.

@RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks

It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy

Why would someone attacking you make you happy?

Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy

[Marmot]

What is your goal in this game Ender?

[EnderWiggin]

Like, I care more about the fact that I'm building a little cadre of town people and trying to sort out why I felt like the consensus D1 towns were sus because that's the backbone of my approach to today.

[Seanzie]

Is this just how Ender plays? Incredibly mysterious and chaotic?

Usually he is a little mysterious. Never seen him this bad.

[EnderWiggin]

What is your goal in this game Ender?

What is your point in asking this quesiton, Marmot?