Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Marmot]

What is your goal in this game Ender?

What is your point in asking this quesiton, Marmot?

I'm trying to sort out your motives because I don't understand them, and I hope that it'll help me read you better.

[EnderWiggin]

What is your goal in this game Ender?

What is your point in asking this quesiton, Marmot?

I'm trying to sort out your motives because I don't understand them, and I hope that it'll help me read you better.

I want to win, like anyone else.

I felt D1 was weird in a wolfy way and I'm trying to work out why.

I expressed that on D1 and everyone laughed.

I still felt that on N1.

Went into D2 asking why I felt that, Alison/Lucy/Jay probably has 1 wolf, probably not more but I think one.

Building my little group of townies and trying to sort wolf motivations.

[robyn]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

[Marmot]

I still don't really know how you're achieving that Ender, but I guess I just have to take your word for it.

As for Jay/lucy/Alison. I feel fairly confident that Jay is town, I think Alison is town, and lucy I dunno, probably lean town. If those reads mean anything to you.

[Marmot]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

[Seanzie]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Uhh... what?

[robyn]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

[robyn]

pressed like 1/2 of what you guys define as tunnel

[robyn]

Boq looks good, I want him to have a conversation with Marmot before today ends, him not being the most interactive is unfortunate because that's how I read others

[Seanzie]

pressed like 1/2 of what you guys define as tunnel

Why would you specifically be looking for that from me?

[Marmot]

Oh right, Boq had a thing for me.

[Seanzie]

Boq looks good, I want him to have a conversation with Marmot before today ends, him not being the most interactive is unfortunate because that's how I read others

Has Boq pressed people, in your opinion?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

[Marmot]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

[Marmot]

And sean also had one with me early on today.

[robyn]

Boq looks good, I want him to have a conversation with Marmot before today ends, him not being the most interactive is unfortunate because that's how I read others

Has Boq pressed people, in your opinion?

nah

[Marmot]

Sorry lucy, I think your perception of sean is way off.

Also, I think he's more likely to fight people than make friends in a mafia game, per your observation of him not making friends.

[robyn]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

two sided, pressing is one sided

[Marmot]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

two sided, pressing is one sided

He pressed Jay and he pressed me. I call it a back and forth because two people were involved in the conversation.

But now I'm really confused, what sort of pressing are you looking for from him?

[robyn]

pressed like 1/2 of what you guys define as tunnel

Why would you specifically be looking for that from me?

ask people questions even after they stop having answers, though it's admittedly unrealistic given the amount of controversy in this game thus far, no sides to pick

[Seanzie]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

two sided, pressing is one sided

Why would you be looking for this behavior specifically for me? Please answer this question, I believe it is important.

[robyn]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

two sided, pressing is one sided

He pressed Jay and he pressed me. I call it a back and forth because two people were involved in the conversation.

But now I'm really confused, what sort of pressing are you looking for from him?

more aggression, but he's also a person I don't know and he might just be different, I think he's town as of now

[robyn]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

two sided, pressing is one sided

Why would you be looking for this behavior specifically for me? Please answer this question, I believe it is important.

because you're reading everything and responding with a fine tooth comb, actually putting a decent amount of work into formulating your own reads and responding to odd messages and getting into arguments based off specific wording. being more aggressive would be relative to the effort a player has put into the game

[Seanzie]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

two sided, pressing is one sided

He pressed Jay and he pressed me. I call it a back and forth because two people were involved in the conversation.

But now I'm really confused, what sort of pressing are you looking for from him?

more aggression, but he's also a person I don't know and he might just be different, I think he's town as of now

Nah, Lucy's got meta on me she shouldn't have. No one expects a random townie to be one-sided pressing/tunneling with more aggression, but this describes my particular townplay pretty well (at least most games).

Also clearly isn't actually paying attention to me or truly trying to sort me right now

[robyn]

Nate is a scum lean, his read list is exactly what neutral territory is and what someone would put without their own thoughts, entirely public opinion. I don't think he put any effort into that read list himself

[Marmot]

I think sean is an aggressive player. Different than Mac, but still agressive, I think he has done that this game.

But I agree with sean, I don't know why you are looking for that specifically from him unless you either knew that was his meta, or are that good at picking up on players' playstyles, or have gathered that meta from the thread.

[robyn]

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

two sided, pressing is one sided

He pressed Jay and he pressed me. I call it a back and forth because two people were involved in the conversation.

But now I'm really confused, what sort of pressing are you looking for from him?

more aggression, but he's also a person I don't know and he might just be different, I think he's town as of now

Nah, Lucy's got meta on me she shouldn't have. No one expects a random townie to be one-sided pressing/tunneling with more aggression, but this describes my particular townplay pretty well (at least most games).

Also clearly isn't actually paying attention to me or truly trying to sort me right now

I'm forcing myself to give reads, read your iso in a few minutes. I literally explained my deduction for why I expect more aggression and that you haven't pressed and tunneled was odd

[Marmot]

(I think Nate's town, but not for good reasons. I feel at ease when I read his posts)

[Marmot]

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

[robyn]

I think sean is an aggressive player. Different than Mac, but still agressive, I think he has done that this game.

But I agree with sean, I don't know why you are looking for that specifically from him unless you either knew that was his meta, or are that good at picking up on players' playstyles, or have gathered that meta from the thread.

I am that good, looking for nothing but I pointed out something I found odd

[robyn]

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

if I was mafia would I be clumsy enough to make that read when I didn't have to?

[Marmot]

Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

two sided, pressing is one sided

Why would you be looking for this behavior specifically for me? Please answer this question, I believe it is important.

because you're reading everything and responding with a fine tooth comb, actually putting a decent amount of work into formulating your own reads and responding to odd messages and getting into arguments based off specific wording. being more aggressive would be relative to the effort a player has put into the game

I think the blue part is accurate, but I don't understand how that isn't already the pink part and why you would expect more.

[robyn]

Sean hasn't pressed people?

only a question or two, if anything further it wasn't game related, ender stuff doesn't count because he never got an answer to begin with. just super inquisitive without the aggression and force I'd usually see from that much attention paid to the game

He had a fairly lengthy back and forth with Jay earlier today?

two sided, pressing is one sided

Why would you be looking for this behavior specifically for me? Please answer this question, I believe it is important.

because you're reading everything and responding with a fine tooth comb, actually putting a decent amount of work into formulating your own reads and responding to odd messages and getting into arguments based off specific wording. being more aggressive would be relative to the effort a player has put into the game

I think the blue part is accurate, but I don't understand how that isn't already the pink part and why you would expect more.

probably because in my discord games I experienced 5x more aggression and like 2.5x that aggression in my qualifier

[Marmot]

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

if I was mafia would I be clumsy enough to make that read when I didn't have to?

I wouldn't call it impossible, but I also unfortunately don't know the answer to that question because I don't know you.

You probably wouldn't, but I've seen extremely skilled players make silly mistakes before so

[robyn]

think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw

[robyn]

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

if I was mafia would I be clumsy enough to make that read when I didn't have to?

I wouldn't call it impossible, but I also unfortunately don't know the answer to that question because I don't know you.

You probably wouldn't, but I've seen extremely skilled players make silly mistakes before so

I wouldn't, that's your answer

[robyn]

(I think Nate's town, but not for good reasons. I feel at ease when I read his posts)

do you agree his read list is very generic?

[Marmot]

think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw

sean is an entirely emotionless being

Spoiler: show

Ok now I'm joking

[Seanzie]

think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw

So do you expect Jay to be fuming?

[Marmot]

(I think Nate's town, but not for good reasons. I feel at ease when I read his posts)

do you agree his read list is very generic?

Can you point me to it? I don't know where it is.

[robyn]

think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw

So do you expect Jay to be fuming?

he's more mature than you, or has played more. either way I expect to see no real emotion from unless someone does something mod kill worthy

[Marmot]

Calling Jay mature is, uh... probably only true inside the game of mafia.

[Marmot]

Creature has several strings of posts next to each other containing game related stuff. I am still peeved by him ignoring my question, but I have learned the hard way that someone ignoring you doesn't make them scum.

I lean him town because of the post strings (on phone rn so can't quote them).

I had early misgivings on Falcon due to his change of tone from the quali, but I decided to not push there but read what else he'd produce, since it is a weak thing to scum read someone for. The fact that Falcon got pushed by a few peeps made me think that Falcon could be a set-up for D1 misyeet but I haven't really felt any townie vibes from Falcon so..

Marmot is the player has the most scum equity. He isn't taking part of much discussion, is basically just there trying to stay relevant. However now when I know that he has been away because of allergies, it does feel like my conclusion is made on wrong premises. Again, I am comparing qualis, but I wolf read Marmot that game and he was town. He also contributed a lot to discussion. Now I have felt some of Marmot's posts surface townie but lacking in content. Another thing is Marmot complaining about us posting a lot, when he was a high poster in his quali.

Those are my takes

To address Boq's suspicion of me from Day 1.

I'd intended to be active earlier, but wasn't in the space to do so as I've said. I think it's reasonable to expect more from me, and now that I've delivered I expect a revised read from you at some point.

[Seanzie]

think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw

So do you expect Jay to be fuming?

he's more mature than you, or has played more. either way I expect to see no real emotion from unless someone does something mod kill worthy

Haha, so you find me immature enough to get super emotional while playing, but then you're not seeing that so you're confused. Meh, I can be pretty immature, but hopefully I hold my emotions in enough most of the time.

Anyways, I misread Lucy's original post that kinda spurred this discussion, it isn't as clear as I thought that she has meta on me that she shouldn't otherwise have.

[robyn]

think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw

So do you expect Jay to be fuming?

he's more mature than you, or has played more. either way I expect to see no real emotion from unless someone does something mod kill worthy

Haha, so you find me immature enough to get super emotional while playing, but then you're not seeing that so you're confused. Meh, I can be pretty immature, but hopefully I hold my emotions in enough most of the time.

Anyways, I misread Lucy's original post that kinda spurred this discussion, it isn't as clear as I thought that she has meta on me that she shouldn't otherwise have.

again, I am just that good

[Seanzie]

think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw

So do you expect Jay to be fuming?

he's more mature than you, or has played more. either way I expect to see no real emotion from unless someone does something mod kill worthy

Haha, so you find me immature enough to get super emotional while playing, but then you're not seeing that so you're confused. Meh, I can be pretty immature, but hopefully I hold my emotions in enough most of the time.

Anyways, I misread Lucy's original post that kinda spurred this discussion, it isn't as clear as I thought that she has meta on me that she shouldn't otherwise have.

again, I am just that good

Well, your read on me still doesn't really make sense and suggests you need to read my ISO more carefully, but that is a fight I don't feel like fighting, so I'll leave it at that.

[robyn]

think about it, the more time you spend doing something the more emotions you put into it, the more feelings you thusly express. simply applied it to what I saw

So do you expect Jay to be fuming?

he's more mature than you, or has played more. either way I expect to see no real emotion from unless someone does something mod kill worthy

Haha, so you find me immature enough to get super emotional while playing, but then you're not seeing that so you're confused. Meh, I can be pretty immature, but hopefully I hold my emotions in enough most of the time.

Anyways, I misread Lucy's original post that kinda spurred this discussion, it isn't as clear as I thought that she has meta on me that she shouldn't otherwise have.

again, I am just that good

Well, your read on me still doesn't really make sense and suggests you need to read my ISO more carefully, but that is a fight I don't feel like fighting, so I'll leave it at that.

that's my meta btw

[robyn]

nonetheless I can't find that read list and I scrolled back 10 pages, because it apparently wasn't Nate's, and I don't wanna look for it much longer

[NateTheLesser]

@NateTheLesser I would like to hear some personal opinions from you, rather than simply reiterating data from the game like a human Modbot. What reads do you feel most strongly about? What do you think of the JJJ/Seanzie argument?

Well, I think JJJ/Sean can be added to the "not w/w" chart, for starters. I think they were talking past each other in that argument. I still trust JJJ, partly because wolves in general want to keep the POE as open as possible and looking at interactions like he's doing is a way of narrowing it. None of it is "clearing", and JJJ isn't claiming that it is, it's just a way to help focus our attention. The other two that were in my top 4 yesterday were Boq and Lucy who I still feel mostly good about, though they've both dropped off a bit today so there hasn't been as much to go on. I'm more interested in the middle Falcon voters today (Fingersplints/Creature/Dizzy/Ender), less interested in the late voters (you and Lucy jumped on near EOD when I wouldn't expect wolves to pile on a runaway town flip). I was also feeling good about Marmot going into today, mainly because I thought their reasoning for sussing Ender near EOD was a good thread to pull, and game state wise I wouldn't expect a wolf to start a late wagon when they could just coast to the misyeet that was already in progress. So the sus going their way today has me wondering if I'm missing something.

[robyn]

thoughts on marmots subsequent vote and opportunistic play right here? @Seanzie