Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Boquise]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I am pretty sure I would win if I was scum tho tbh

Same to all of this tbh

That's amazing.

Towny mindmeld!

the image is sadly broken

[Boquise]

oh i wasnt first in voting Alison...

sad...

[Boquise]

i should just re-read the thread from the start tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

thoughts on marmot? @JaggedJimmyJay

Put most simply: I think he's playing to his town meta. In my recent experience with Marmot he has been a bit polarized, and it'd be uncommon for his mafia-aligned game to be as hunt-intensive or direct as he has played this game.

[Boquise]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I like your questioning of Alison. I think I’d prefer an Alison vote over Marmot. Definitely prefer Alison vote over me

thats nice tbh
If Alison is town I think you could be scum tbh!
If Alison is wolf you are always town

did I scare you @fingersplints

[Boquise]

@Dyslexicon
why did you say my statement about my scum game was creeping you out and that you should feel worried? That feels uncharacteristic of you tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i know tbh
point is that that sentence felt dismissive of my exercise tbh

To ensure I am very clear: exercises are great, and people should always give them a shot when the inspiration strikes. I had no intention of pooh-poohing your exercise.

[Boquise]

out of the lhf folks, I am the most into voting Wilgy.

[fingersplints]

@Boquise Why don't you have a vote out, and are you doing to vote in 10 minutes tbh?

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I like your questioning of Alison. I think I’d prefer an Alison vote over Marmot. Definitely prefer Alison vote over me

thats nice tbh
If Alison is town I think you could be scum tbh!
If Alison is wolf you are always town

did I scare you @fingersplints

No I went to go look up a past game.

[Boquise]

i know tbh
point is that that sentence felt dismissive of my exercise tbh

To ensure I am very clear: exercises are great, and people should always give them a shot when the inspiration strikes. I had no intention of pooh-poohing your exercise.

I havent decided what your alignment is yet JJJ, but you get a thumbs up anyway tbh

[Boquise]

because i am a meme man tbh

Your comment about preferring to play as mafia is a little bit creepy tbh

Should I worry?

i thought you knew that tbh
well my win rate as scum is almost 100% if I survive D2 so it is now or never if ya wanna wifom :wowee:

anyway, i am thinking of voting Alison but I am not sure if it is the wrong play

I like your questioning of Alison. I think I’d prefer an Alison vote over Marmot. Definitely prefer Alison vote over me

thats nice tbh
If Alison is town I think you could be scum tbh!
If Alison is wolf you are always town

did I scare you @fingersplints

No I went to go look up a past game.

oh neat tbh
which and why?

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon
why did you say my statement about my scum game was creeping you out and that you should feel worried? That feels uncharacteristic of you tbh

Because I already feel like we probably have similar strengths and weaknesses in games. I just read that post, and wondered if I was too lenient on you. I'd be worried if you're mafia. Actually, I'm not really worried at all right now, it passed quickly.

[Dyslexicon]

out of the lhf folks, I am the most into voting Wilgy.

Same

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yo @JaggedJimmyJay
since you are much more used at analysing associations, what do you think of this?

[snip]

How does this affect their (Nate, Finger, Dizzy) association with Alison?
Does this make them less or more likely, iyo, to be a wolf if Alison is wolf, or if Alison is town?

If I understand your question, I think those specific posts wouldn't dissociate fingersplints or Nate, but that'd be a good look for Dizzy in an Alison-mafia world.

[Dyslexicon]

I am boq, Illwei is me

[Boquise]

@Dyslexicon
why did you say my statement about my scum game was creeping you out and that you should feel worried? That feels uncharacteristic of you tbh

Because I already feel like we probably have similar strengths and weaknesses in games. I just read that post, and wondered if I was too lenient on you. I'd be worried if you're mafia. Actually, I'm not really worried at all right now, it passed quickly.

[fingersplints]

@Boquise i wasn’t planning on bringing it up because it’s about me, subjective, and not really something proveable but I don’t buy Alison here:

The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.

Kinda wishy washy

And I don’t believe I fooled anyone in Fargo. My team was all killed pretty early, I struggled then was pretty much unanimously voted for as I trolled everyone on my way out since it was so obvious? I don’t recall it all which is why I tried to look it up but meh hard to prove. Just seems like the “hesitation” she mentions is forced and preemptive for when I come back as town

[JaggedJimmyJay]

my qualms here with Alison is that she is on paper doing pushes that are easy to vibe with.
However they are textbook

So it depends on how much nuance she has when she towns tbh

I view Alison as one of the more by-the-book, i.e. "textbook", players I know. She has a set of core principles, and she does not deviate from them in pretty much any posts she makes.

[Boquise]

Yo @JaggedJimmyJay
since you are much more used at analysing associations, what do you think of this?

[snip]

How does this affect their (Nate, Finger, Dizzy) association with Alison?
Does this make them less or more likely, iyo, to be a wolf if Alison is wolf, or if Alison is town?

If I understand your question, I think those specific posts wouldn't dissociate fingersplints or Nate, but that'd be a good look for Dizzy in an Alison-mafia world.

you understood it correctly tbh!
What about the post just some minutes ago where Fingers said she prefers the Alison wagon (before I and Dizzy voted there) over Marmot?

[Boquise]

my qualms here with Alison is that she is on paper doing pushes that are easy to vibe with.
However they are textbook

So it depends on how much nuance she has when she towns tbh

I view Alison as one of the more by-the-book, i.e. "textbook", players I know. She has a set of core principles, and she does not deviate from them in pretty much any posts she makes.

This is good information.
Is town!Alison aware of suboptimal town play?

Do you know any core differences between scum and town Alison?

[Boquise]

I am boq, Illwei is me

is this a s8g2 reference tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

you understood it correctly tbh!
What about the post just some minutes ago where Fingers said she prefers the Alison wagon (before I and Dizzy voted there) over Marmot?

good for fingersplints if Alison is mafia, as would be splints' last post

[Dyslexicon]

I am boq, Illwei is me

is this a s8g2 reference tbh

It's a meme I don't understand, but still really like

[Boquise]

@Boquise i wasn’t planning on bringing it up because it’s about me, subjective, and not really something proveable but I don’t buy Alison here:

The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.

Kinda wishy washy

And I don’t believe I fooled anyone in Fargo. My team was all killed pretty early, I struggled then was pretty much unanimously voted for as I trolled everyone on my way out since it was so obvious? I don’t recall it all which is why I tried to look it up but meh hard to prove. Just seems like the “hesitation” she mentions is forced and preemptive for when I come back as town

(this answers my which and why game question from before)
Why is it wishy-washy, or rather, scummy wishy-washiness?

[Boquise]

I am boq, Illwei is me

is this a s8g2 reference tbh

It's a meme I don't understand, but still really like

i've never heard of this meme lmao

[Boquise]

you understood it correctly tbh!
What about the post just some minutes ago where Fingers said she prefers the Alison wagon (before I and Dizzy voted there) over Marmot?

good for fingersplints if Alison is mafia, as would be splints' last post

and if Alison is town?
I agree that finger would be cleared if Alison is scum tbh

[Dyslexicon]

@JaggedJimmyJay I'm only on page 15. I found Alison's reasons for reading Falcon and Lucy town and Rondo wolf to be weird and cherry picky. Continuing the reading...

Also, if you know of semi recent Wilgy town or wolf games at the top of your mind, can you name some?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is good information.
Is town!Alison aware of suboptimal town play?

Do you know any core differences between scum and town Alison?

She is very aware of her own definitions of sub-optimality, certainly, and I'd imagine those definitions are mostly not controversial among people who use words like "suboptimal". My view of Alison tends to be less meta-driven and more straightforward. "Do I believe that she believes what she posts?" I haven't felt her play in this game is unbelievable.

[Dyslexicon]

Lag is waza, Illario is me

[Dyslexicon]

This is good information.
Is town!Alison aware of suboptimal town play?

Do you know any core differences between scum and town Alison?

She is very aware of her own definitions of sub-optimality, certainly, and I'd imagine those definitions are mostly not controversial among people who use words like "suboptimal". My view of Alison tends to be less meta-driven and more straightforward. "Do I believe that she believes what she posts?" I haven't felt her play in this game is unbelievable.

Read her early takes on Falcon, Lucy and Rondo again, cause that is kind of exactly my issue with her.

Maybe I'll regret it later.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay I'm only on page 15. I found Alison's reasons for reading Falcon and Lucy town and Rondo wolf to be weird and cherry picky. Continuing the reading...

Also, if you know of semi recent Wilgy town or wolf games at the top of your mind, can you name some?

I'll leave Alison to talk about those reads.

I haven't played much in 2022, so I am not sure what games Wilgy has played. I could take a very quick look.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Alison come talk about your reads

[Boquise]

This is good information.
Is town!Alison aware of suboptimal town play?

Do you know any core differences between scum and town Alison?

She is very aware of her own definitions of sub-optimality, certainly, and I'd imagine those definitions are mostly not controversial among people who use words like "suboptimal". My view of Alison tends to be less meta-driven and more straightforward. "Do I believe that she believes what she posts?" I haven't felt her play in this game is unbelievable.

just so we are clear, Alison has not used the word "suboptimal" here. It is how I describe her qualms with Ender and Dizzy tbh
mmmh okay
this part wasnt as helpful as the first reply, but thanks anyway tbh!

[Dyslexicon]

I've been wanting to gut read Sean as wolf at point in this game. I'm unsure if I've ever been in a game with Sean as wolf. That said, his posts seems pretty fine and in line with what I expect of him as town.

[Creature]

ITT people discuss how to play champs but don't follow their own advices

Who do you think isn't following their advice and why?

Still waiting for this to be answered @Creature

I forgot about this.

It's just a remark at how much players talk about mafia theory but fail to put them in practice.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

this part wasnt as helpful as the first reply, but thanks anyway tbh!

i feel like a customer service representative

[Dyslexicon]

Right now, the only ones who fall "below the line" for me are Alison, Wilgy and Creature. Nate is complete null. Ender and Fingers may be a bit of a "meh sure". Sean is fine. The others are town. Actually, I forgot Marmot, which I did read town, but I'm going to reevaluate as I read further.

Going out for some candy, AND THIS IS NOT A COFFEE TELL

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I forgot about this.

It's just a remark at how much players talk about mafia theory but fail to put them in practice.

Hey Creature, I'd appreciate if you could just quickly state your perspective of Mac's legacy POE

[fingersplints]

@Boquise i wasn’t planning on bringing it up because it’s about me, subjective, and not really something proveable but I don’t buy Alison here:

The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.

Kinda wishy washy

And I don’t believe I fooled anyone in Fargo. My team was all killed pretty early, I struggled then was pretty much unanimously voted for as I trolled everyone on my way out since it was so obvious? I don’t recall it all which is why I tried to look it up but meh hard to prove. Just seems like the “hesitation” she mentions is forced and preemptive for when I come back as town

(this answers my which and why game question from before)
Why is it wishy-washy, or rather, scummy wishy-washiness?

I don’t know if wishy washy is the right word I was looking for tbh but it’s like she took what someone used to “clear” or “townread” me and discredited it some but with a lot of maybes and references a game in which as I said was absolutely not a strong one for me

[Creature]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This may or may not be a good idea.

And a Wilgy/Creature vote may be safer

wtf I'm not a valid vote for today

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Dyslexicon a recent Wilgy scum game: Backyard Baseball

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This may or may not be a good idea.

And a Wilgy/Creature vote may be safer

wtf I'm not a valid vote for today

Oh, my mistake.

(Why?)

[Creature]

out of the lhf folks, I am the most into voting Wilgy.

I'm only considering voting DrWilgy because he was in Mac's list and I think Mac can read DrWilgy (at least better than I am).

[Boquise]

@Boquise i wasn’t planning on bringing it up because it’s about me, subjective, and not really something proveable but I don’t buy Alison here:

The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.

Kinda wishy washy

And I don’t believe I fooled anyone in Fargo. My team was all killed pretty early, I struggled then was pretty much unanimously voted for as I trolled everyone on my way out since it was so obvious? I don’t recall it all which is why I tried to look it up but meh hard to prove. Just seems like the “hesitation” she mentions is forced and preemptive for when I come back as town

(this answers my which and why game question from before)
Why is it wishy-washy, or rather, scummy wishy-washiness?

I don’t know if wishy washy is the right word I was looking for tbh but it’s like she took what someone used to “clear” or “townread” me and discredited it some but with a lot of maybes and references a game in which as I said was absolutely not a strong one for me

hm
but i had not cleared you for that before this post tbh

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon a recent Wilgy scum game: Backyard Baseball

Thanks. Hardly any posts. I'll look around myself, if I have the time. Wanted to check how often he sheeped other players openly or said things like "Who should I sheep" etc. Cause I recall him doing it before, and wondered if it might actually be AI. Probably stupid at its conception but meow

[Creature]

I forgot about this.

It's just a remark at how much players talk about mafia theory but fail to put them in practice.

Hey Creature, I'd appreciate if you could just quickly state your perspective of Mac's legacy POE

I'm finding it hard Mac got 0/4 in that list and was nightkilled anyway, unless Marmot is wolf. So I'm inclined to believe there's a wolf within DrWilgy/Dyslexicon/Marmot.

[Creature]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This may or may not be a good idea.

And a Wilgy/Creature vote may be safer

wtf I'm not a valid vote for today

Oh, my mistake.

(Why?)

It has already been settled I was towny EOD1. Any attempt to put me back on the table strikes as wolf trying to keep options open.

[Creature]

I'm slightly concerned about Dyslexicon here because he seems to be wolfsiding/pushing mostly town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I forgot about this.

It's just a remark at how much players talk about mafia theory but fail to put them in practice.

Hey Creature, I'd appreciate if you could just quickly state your perspective of Mac's legacy POE

I'm finding it hard Mac got 0/4 in that list and was nightkilled anyway, unless Marmot is wolf. So I'm inclined to believe there's a wolf within DrWilgy/Dyslexicon/Marmot.

Would you say it is typical of you to place an emphasis on a night kill legacy?

[Creature]

Also I don't get the Alison wagon. I guess someone like MacDougall would've caught her already if she was wolf.