Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 1]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:25 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:19 am no, what do you want to know about Boq? I have a read list that I put out recently didnt that cover it?

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It covers your placement of Boq. I'm hoping for you to expand. Why is Boq down there?
Because if there is a difference check or whatever between you/alison/boq. You two were universally town read, a night kill, boq started coming in strong after mac was gone (who read him town) then seanzie who was sussing the original towncore and now Boq has gained a lot of thread presence. I am not sure if I am comfortable with that progression. He would be my choice out of the three because its what I would do as wolf.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Good night all, hopefully we hit mafia
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:13 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:11 pm @Marmot Sometimes I feel you should be at least three times more paranoid of me than you seem to be. What do you think?
Never mind. I don't know why I struggle. Game state, you have a high chance of being mafia. Meta wise, you are breaking out of your meta if you are mafia. Does that make sense?
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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lucy wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:01 am go read Kierkegaard @Seanzie
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:34 am
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:13 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:11 pm @Marmot Sometimes I feel you should be at least three times more paranoid of me than you seem to be. What do you think?
Never mind. I don't know why I struggle. Game state, you have a high chance of being mafia. Meta wise, you are breaking out of your meta if you are mafia. Does that make sense?
No not really. :p
What about it doesn't make sense to you?
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:43 am I think his point was that he was worried that you were teamed with Wilgy. I think Marmot made a similar point. They will correct me if I'm wrong, I hope.
Is this a good reason to vote out Wilgy?
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:40 am
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:43 am I think his point was that he was worried that you were teamed with Wilgy. I think Marmot made a similar point. They will correct me if I'm wrong, I hope.
Is this a good reason to vote out Wilgy?
No. But he also did not say that was the only reason, which is quite obvious. He said it was quite the waffle vote iirc.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:16 am Am I the only one seeing Lucy trying to @ seanzie? I can't tell if its a huge dumb tell or a fake dumb tell. I feel like I am constantly insane when reading Lucy's stuff. Someone stop me from tunneling her because I am getting mad
Sean is often reading the thread (which you can see if you scroll to the bottom of the page to see who's viewing), which is what I assume she's referencing.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:42 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:16 am Am I the only one seeing Lucy trying to @ seanzie? I can't tell if its a huge dumb tell or a fake dumb tell. I feel like I am constantly insane when reading Lucy's stuff. Someone stop me from tunneling her because I am getting mad
Sean is often reading the thread (which you can see if you scroll to the bottom of the page to see who's viewing), which is what I assume she's referencing.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:39 am
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:34 am
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:13 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:11 pm @Marmot Sometimes I feel you should be at least three times more paranoid of me than you seem to be. What do you think?
Never mind. I don't know why I struggle. Game state, you have a high chance of being mafia. Meta wise, you are breaking out of your meta if you are mafia. Does that make sense?
No not really. :p
What about it doesn't make sense to you?
Why do I have a high chance of being mafia?

How am I breaking out of my mafia meta?
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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@RondoDimBuckle I plead no contest to being weird, concerning the rest should I answer?
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:42 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:40 am
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:43 am I think his point was that he was worried that you were teamed with Wilgy. I think Marmot made a similar point. They will correct me if I'm wrong, I hope.
Is this a good reason to vote out Wilgy?
No. But he also did not say that was the only reason, which is quite obvious. He said it was quite the waffle vote iirc.
Ender said it too.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Also why were you pleading for me to townread you and work with you Dizzy, and then asking why I dropped my paranoia of you when I chose to?

We didn't even have any interaction between those two statements from you.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:43 amWhy do I have a high chance of being mafia?

How am I breaking out of my mafia meta?
Because both kills kind of indicates you. You could fit with any of Boq/Alison/Jimmay. Ominous game state things.

Your depth of analysis is good, and you have said specific things I don't expect you to as mafia.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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@Boquise in the qualifier we got (or now I should say mafia bussed) on d1. then what happened with lag had to happen, enough voters on them to the point where nobody else would get a Lynch on another person, vs this game where no mafia dead and we can do whatever we want without one player needing to be solved (but apparently this needing to be solved mindset is incorrect to begin with, but that's how it felt like in the game)
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:45 am Also why were you pleading for me to townread you and work with you Dizzy, and then asking why I dropped my paranoia of you when I chose to?

We didn't even have any interaction between those two statements from you.
Because I'm struggling a lot here. I want you to town read me if you are town. I want to know if I'm just being stupid by having creepy feelings, which I'm pretty sure I am. Us not having interaction is not relevant for what's going on in my head though.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to land on dropping my tinfoil here. That's really what I'm working through, I think.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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ALSO I PASSED ALL MY AP TESTS
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:44 amEnder said it too.
Yeah, and it's not an unreasonable thought to have imo. I also thought Wilgy could be teamed with Both Alison and you, and I didn't quite trust either of you.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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lucy wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:48 am ALSO I PASSED ALL MY AP TESTS
Congrats tbh
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:49 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:44 amEnder said it too.
Yeah, and it's not an unreasonable thought to have imo. I also thought Wilgy could be teamed with Both Alison and you, and I didn't quite trust either of you.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 1]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:46 am
fingersplints wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 amWell I’m resisting the strong urge to do a personal/self vote atm; hopefully cooler heads prevail.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:45 am
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:43 amWhy do I have a high chance of being mafia?

How am I breaking out of my mafia meta?
Because both kills kind of indicates you. You could fit with any of Boq/Alison/Jimmay. Ominous game state things.

Your depth of analysis is good, and you have said specific things I don't expect you to as mafia.

Not much I can do about the former. I understand why you might waffle, but again I think people are putting way too much stock into Mac's comment, which I brought up in the first place.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:50 am
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:49 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:44 amEnder said it too.
Yeah, and it's not an unreasonable thought to have imo. I also thought Wilgy could be teamed with Both Alison and you, and I didn't quite trust either of you.
If Ender is mafia you need to be punted into the sun.
You just answered me that Ender/Dizzy are not aligned when I asked for anti-alignments. Did that change right now?

I don't care much if I'm punted into the sun if Ender is mafia and flips tbh
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:52 am You just answered me that Ender/Dizzy are not aligned when I asked for anti-alignments. Did that change right now?

I don't care much if I'm punted into the sun if Ender is mafia and flips tbh
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:52 am
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:49 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:44 amEnder said it too.
Yeah, and it's not an unreasonable thought to have imo. I also thought Wilgy could be teamed with Both Alison and you, and I didn't quite trust either of you.
If Ender is mafia you need to be punted into the sun.
You just answered me that Ender/Dizzy are not aligned when I asked for anti-alignments. Did that change right now?

I don't care much if I'm punted into the sun if Ender is mafia and flips tbh
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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@RondoDimBuckle can you explain why Dizzy is your top townread with something other than "he made me laugh, and since Mac dead he seems like a person not to tinfoil"?
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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fingersplints wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:33 am I’m still around. Been skimming and trying to get past the mafia fatigue and find the desire to post.

I need to do some rereading, because I don’t feel good about anyone but Marmot right now. But I need time to read and that won’t happen so :shrug:

I think the Jay suspicion has some points to it, but not sure. Might just be some paranoia there. I don’t think I’m ready to abandon my earlier town read there yet and I seriously doubt I’d vote there today.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:55 am @RondoDimBuckle can you explain why Dizzy is your top townread with something other than "he made me laugh, and since Mac dead he seems like a person not to tinfoil"?
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:56 am
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:55 am @RondoDimBuckle can you explain why Dizzy is your top townread with something other than "he made me laugh, and since Mac dead he seems like a person not to tinfoil"?
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:51 am Let's ISO fingersplints

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NateTheLesser wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
NateTheLesser wrote: I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.
Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.
Yeah. I guess I'm pro-"day 1 reads", anti-"day 1 reads for the sake of having a read". It can be difficult to tell the difference between a read that feels fake because a wolf is trying to appear uninformed, and a read that feels fake because a townie felt like they should have an opinion and came up with something.
I consistently fall into the category of townie feeling forced to post day 1 despite not having solid suspicions. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, but I really admire all of you who are able to come up with this stuff right away for sake of discussion. Takes me days to get into a game.

For what it's worth, this is generally a true account of the fingersplints experience.

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fingersplints wrote: Town falcon pretty much always talks about/suspects me early. Him noticing and commenting on a vote of me isn’t at all surprising to me if he were town
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Marmot wrote: I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).
I’ve been burned by this kind of logic before
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MacDougall wrote:
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Alison wrote: falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.
67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.
yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol
Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong
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yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol
Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong
Have you played with scum!Falcon?
Yes
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Are you scumleaning Falcon due to that past experience, or what's feeding that scumlean?
Just a vibe based on past experiences and general tone in posts in this game.

It’s not great and completely vague, so I apologise to everyone and falcon. I wish I had more to go off of, but day 1 is rough
fingersplints wrote: [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I put fingersplints' full progression on falcon up to her vote into a single spoiler for clarity. This moment is very important for interpreting fingersplints and demands a careful assessment. Follow the color coding.

Orange - if we are precise with splints' language, then this comment need not be interpreted as a town read of falcon. Instead, it's something tangential, a base assertion of "town-compatibility" -- e.g., falcon talking about splints doesn't preclude him from being town. This isn't necessarily "better" or "worse", but the interpretation is necessary to assess the progression.

Green - this is, in a sense, a sort of inverse of the orange thing. "Town falcon always suspects me" vs. "I always suspect town falcon". While that hedge is ugly at face value, I think I am more interested in splints' appeal to Mac's read. This alleviates some of the burden of blame given the doubts splints has expressed. It's not my favorite couple of sentences in the game.

Red - mafia actively apologizing to the town member they're suspecting isn't the most typical thing. It's hard to take confidence in such a thing, but it's at least unusual.

We should also note the timestamps. These posts are generally separated by hours, so the progression, if we assume there to be one, primarily exists outside the game thread -- hypothetically in splints' head as she periodically visits the game and reviews. This all transpires within the space of splints' 5th and 19th posts in the thread, so there isn't a lot else going on in her ISO through this period.

The falcon vote made the poll tally 3-3-2, falcon-Creature-Dizzy, with a little over four hours remaining in the day. In that sense it is moderately important.

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fingersplints wrote: Well I wasn’t wrong that when I think he is scum, he is town. :p It was a weak day 1 vote based off of general vibes and tone, so I can see why my vote should be looked at because I think it was a pretty lame and vague vote but just because it’s a bad vote it doesn’t come from a bad/scum place. As I expressed in the post you linked, I didn’t want it to be a tie and no result. While this obviously wasn’t the desired result, at least we have something to work with.

Early in Day 2, Nate took issue with splints' progression above and voted for her. This was splints' response. Her reference to wanting to avoid a tie can be seen here (click). That's a bit curious since her vote made it a tie, and it was still a tie here. I won't scream about that too much since there were four hours to resolve it. Otherwise this defense is exactly ~okay. It's about the only thing there is to say regardless of splints' alignment, and it doesn't make me feel better or worse.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it. :meany:
I like your guys little back and forth there :meany:
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it. :meany:
I like your guys little back and forth there :meany:
Do you have any thoughts on our alignments based on our little back and forth?
T/T

It’s important to not get to comfortable with town consensus, so while I don’t agree with your assessment of Jay but I really like where it’s coming from

This related to Seanzie's interrogation of me. splints liked the back-and-forth, and when prompted called it T/T. I'm wary of that as a naked read. T/T combat is not something to celebrate generally, and I think there's room for TMI here. I asked splints about it later, and she replied here (click). I think the answer is mostly fine. It didn't change her view of me, and it gave her a good impression for Seanzie.

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Boquise wrote:
fingersplints wrote: Also back to this post
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Marmot wrote: Sure
You are appreciated.

The last thing I was hoping to achieve is the classical night kill analysis. Many people balk at the very idea of trying this, and I think they're wrong. Wifom is wifom blah blah, but we're remiss if we don't at least take a look. Moreover, in a mountainous game, at least one of the layers of wifom does not exist -- there are no doctor dodges. So it'd behoove us to review Mac and see where he sat. What we do with that I don't know right now, but we honor his memory enough to give him a voice.

If that's something that tickles you, I'd love to see what you come up with.
I kinda expected to be the kill because I was during D1 consensus town read with no on-going conflicts with other players. Whereas Mac, also highly town read, had a thing with Wilgy that could be exploited and easier to tinfoil because of Falcon and of site history*.

*What I mean with site history is that I am an unknown variable whilst Mac is a tried gun.

This tells me that Mac's reads can have threatened the woofs tbh
Was Boquise “consensus town read”? I don’t have a read on them yet so to me this reads a lot like saying you are town to try and seem townier, but I don’t recall ever playing with Boquise or paying that much attention yet to others mentions of them
I base it off other players' read lists tbh. You didnt read those posts?
Nah I read them. I don’t remember every single mention of you though and my recollection of you was more as null over consensus town, so that’s why I’m asking others.
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Marmot wrote: To anyone who is voting for fingersplints, here's a couple links to recent wolf games from her.

Fargo Mafia - ok this was from a year ago. This is one of fs's most active games I've seen, she spent a lot of time early on talking about pretty much anything but reads, and even her reads were not very strong at the start.
Mafia Syndicate Normal Game - this is from a few months ago, fs barely posted, and her posts were all very short, and she does seem stilted in this one.

I'm not seeing either of these things from her. Yes fingersplints doesn't post a lot, but that is normal for her (and really it's that the rest of us just post way too much). What I have seen here is an almost immediate attempt to generate reads, explain them, and she's also considering how the game will play out based on flips and looking ahead, an approach which appears to be lacking in her scum meta.

I'd call her town right now.
Does Finger tend to use aggressive phrasing as town when questioned?
Have I used aggressive phrasing?
fingersplints wrote: Also thanks to those who answered my question about Boq. The wording is less weird since they do seem to be considered town, however it does still ping me a little when anyone talks about them myself in terms of being so town.
They are still null for me I guess

This is a unique stretch of posts for splints. She may have been, at this stage of the game, the only person challenging Boquise in some capacity. I find myself torn between to seemingly incompatible interpretations:

1) It's good for fingersplints to challenge a player who is broadly town read. That indicates a degree of courage, and a willingness to solve on her own accord without regard for the consensus.

2) She didn't seem to be aware of the consensus, so I'm not sure #1 is applicable. Instead, I have to ask myself to what extent she has read the thread -- less ideal.

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Dyslexicon wrote: Celebrating my 10000 posts anniversary by mentioning I'm happy to be a part of this community,
and to be floating around in the larger mafia community multiverse.

I still remember how welcoming everyone was when I played my first games here at Cindy Kate! :hug:

Hopefully, we can continue to have fun with this silly or deep game!

Maybe the real wolves were the friends we made along the way.

:cloud9:
Congrats :yay:

A vote for you to celebrate

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

:p

That's a hell of a way to celebrate someone's love for the community. :goofp:

This vote placed Dizzy in the poll lead at 3-2 (over splints herself). This was still early in Day 2, and the vote is presented like a joke (click here), but it should still be acknowledged for the dynamics that make it relevant.

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fingersplints wrote: 4 votes lol
Honestly couldn’t have picked a worse day to take the vote lead
I almost want to lament the real life reasons behind my absence just to annoy Rondo :p
I’ll see what I can do

This is a jovial reception of suspicion. I appreciate you splints regardless of alignment. Keep vibing.

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fingersplints wrote: I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today

I can understand the sentiment. I'm not sure if this qualifies as a town read of Marmot rather than an observation "that he's defending me". Just making a note for progression.

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Dyslexicon wrote:
fingersplints wrote: I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today
Who do you want to vote?
If my vote wasn’t going to end up self pres, I’d probably
Pick creature or maybe Ender due to I felt (and I wasn’t around for the end of day so maybe I’m wrong with this as it’s to the best of my recollection) but I felt like the falcon wagon caught most steam when creature was a nominee yesterday. And less mention of someone in the hot spot always makes me kind of wary. Like where did that suspicion go.

Ender I thought was sounding ok, but my opinion there has reversed. He sounds less confident than I remember town Ender to be and I would expect stronger town lead. Idk he would also be my answer to the question someone posed to everyone who would they check.
When reading his posts yesterday my initial thought was also him and rondo weren’t paired, because they are friends but interacting way too much in the thread. I don’t think partners even friends would be that blatant. But then I keep going back to one post of his in my head where I felt he was almost annoyed rondo kept mentioning him, so it’s made me question that thought as well.
Sorry again cause I don’t plan on going back to find those posts, but at least if I don’t make it today there’s some food for thought for you guys lol

This is a unique perspective of Ender that I am not sure I have seen from someone else in the game -- specifically that he is less confident or less leader-like that his standard town form (I cannot speak to this, as I don't know his play well at all). If splints is town, then this read may reflect a standard example of "POE town-aligned suspect views the game from a unique perspective since they don't have to solve themself", which might also relate to her doubts about Boquise. That'd be a decent thing.

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fingersplints wrote: Switched to [VOTE: creature] aubergine

This vote brought Creature to 2 votes, tied with Wilgy and behind Marmot and fingersplints herself (3 each). She held true to her desire to avoid self-pres voting for her defender. Her vote remained on Creature for the rest of Day 2. She didn't prioritize self-preservation, granted she was away for the final 3-4 hours of the phase.

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fingersplints wrote: @Boquise i wasn’t planning on bringing it up because it’s about me, subjective, and not really something proveable but I don’t buy Alison here:
Alison wrote: The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.
Kinda wishy washy

And I don’t believe I fooled anyone in Fargo. My team was all killed pretty early, I struggled then was pretty much unanimously voted for as I trolled everyone on my way out since it was so obvious? I don’t recall it all which is why I tried to look it up but meh hard to prove. Just seems like the “hesitation” she mentions is forced and preemptive for when I come back as town
fingersplints wrote:
Boquise wrote: (this answers my which and why game question from before)
Why is it wishy-washy, or rather, scummy wishy-washiness?
I don’t know if wishy washy is the right word I was looking for tbh but it’s like she took what someone used to “clear” or “townread” me and discredited it some but with a lot of maybes and references a game in which as I said was absolutely not a strong one for me

Note to self to look back at Fargo to make more sense of this dialogue.

Conclusion

There are some moments here that I think demand further discussion, particularly from folks that view fingersplints as a premier elimination option on this Day 3. Take a look at her treatment of Boquise, and her final voting actions on Day 2, and provide a mafia account for them. I am not saying there isn't an account -- but it's something I want to see folks take a stab at. I'd also like to see folks town reading splints to examine her posts through a lens other than meta. This is a read that we need to develop more effectively as a group. I have some nickle-and-dime concerns around this ISO and would not remove splints from the POE pool. Also, a separate concern not addressed by the above content: splints has only acknowledged Wilgy's existence once in this game, and it was to shrug. She's known him as long as anyone, so that strikes me as off.
Wilgy is not someone who I have found time has helped my ability to read at all.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]

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Boquise wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:32 pm
lucy wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:42 pm
Boquise wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:38 pm
lucy wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:35 pm
Boquise wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 2:33 pm But there has been plentiful of reactions when I have shielded LHF

INTERESTIIIIIING
LHF?
Low-hanging fruit
Players easy to yeet tbh

This is how things goes:

We will misyeet like 3 lhf on the row because they can't sit at the cool kids' table tbh

We realise that omg the lhf who posted weird stuff were town all along!!! Someone at our table is a wolf!

We proceed to misyeet a loud town who was kinda incorrect or something

Then we psyche ourselves out and misyeet another LHF in lylo tbh

Such is the prophecy tbh
that is a pattern i will have to be aware of, exact thing kinda happened in my qualifier
it is the pattern of most champ games tbh, though there are some exceptions tbh.
such is the prophecy tbh
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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^also I only had time for the conclusion, and not what was in the spoilers so if there is more that needs addressing I’ll try and look later
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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I think Fingers is probably town.
I'm done tinfoiling Marmot.
Rondo town.
Ender AHHHHHHHH, still want to say town. I have a really hard time walking from this.

Nate and Lucy are independent and looks town, thought I guess there's a chance I'm wrong.

Creature is not inspiring. Still think maybe not with Alison or Jimmay, but I had a different view on D2. I don't know.

Alison/Jimmay/Boq left - there's definitely something rotten here. But Alison/Boq probably not.

My reads don't make sense.

Sigh. I'll come back to all of this later.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 1]

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Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 amWhy not?
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:56 am
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:55 am @RondoDimBuckle can you explain why Dizzy is your top townread with something other than "he made me laugh, and since Mac dead he seems like a person not to tinfoil"?
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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fingersplints wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am Wilgy is not someone who I have found time has helped my ability to read at all.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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"I'll stop my Marmot tinfoil now"

*Contemplates whether I should bother to meta dive to look if Marmot asks a million billion questions more as town or mafia, because holy shit every other post is a question about clarification or explanation*
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 1]

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:58 am
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 amWhy not?
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:56 am
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:55 am @RondoDimBuckle can you explain why Dizzy is your top townread with something other than "he made me laugh, and since Mac dead he seems like a person not to tinfoil"?
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Can you point me to the post?
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:18 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:48 am
Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:03 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:00 pm I do think you are favouring his logical consistency and state in thread a lot more than I am
I think he would break his scum range hard if he's mafia here tbh
Wut?
He feels like he's out of his scum range to me.

Your tone towards me here is a little weird. You seem more stressed than happy that I'm viewing the game pretty much the same way you are rn?
Stressed irl, has nothing to do with you <3

It's coming through in a lot.

I'm also like, wondering if I'm actually right on JJJ because I read over the Nate ISO and actually felt I agreed with several comments.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 amWhy not?
Is this to me?

He’s always stuck me as a fun, quirky kind of player. People like that can be difficult to read because playstyle makes it seem like they aren’t paying attention or can attract votes
I think the last game I played with Wilgy and voted him, he was town. Similarly last I defended him he was mafia.
Both recently iirc. I have 0 confidence in my ability to read him
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 am "I'll stop my Marmot tinfoil now"

*Contemplates whether I should bother to meta dive to look if Marmot asks a million billion questions more as town or mafia, because holy shit every other post is a question about clarification or explanation*
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 am
EnderWiggin wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:52 amI want your words on this town list.
Will have to be later
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:58 am I think Fingers is probably town.
I'm done tinfoiling Marmot.
Rondo town.
Ender AHHHHHHHH, still want to say town. I have a really hard time walking from this.

Nate and Lucy are independent and looks town, thought I guess there's a chance I'm wrong.

Creature is not inspiring. Still think maybe not with Alison or Jimmay, but I had a different view on D2. I don't know.

Alison/Jimmay/Boq left - there's definitely something rotten here. But Alison/Boq probably not.

My reads don't make sense.

Sigh. I'll come back to all of this later.
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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off to work, no more fireworks
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 3]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 am "I'll stop my Marmot tinfoil now"

*Contemplates whether I should bother to meta dive to look if Marmot asks a million billion questions more as town or mafia, because holy shit every other post is a question about clarification or explanation*
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Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 1]

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Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:00 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:58 am
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 amWhy not?
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:57 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:56 am
Marmot wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:55 am @RondoDimBuckle can you explain why Dizzy is your top townread with something other than "he made me laugh, and since Mac dead he seems like a person not to tinfoil"?
no

[VOTE: boq ] aubergine

Oh no Ender's gotten to you
Because if you actually go read the post I liked that made me laugh in the context of the page its a perfectly fine reason to like Dizzy
Can you point me to the post?
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Dyslexicon wrote: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:43 pm @EnderWiggin Your vote/sus on Fingers coupled with your vote on me later, when we both didn't participate in thread, kind of sucks majorly tbh. True or not?
I did the same thing yet you have town read me?
It also sucks, but I don't care about that for you.

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