Halvøsen Ridge [MAFIA WIN]

[Boquise]

My read on Boquise is deeply spiritual. I gleaned it from the garnet crystal I keep next to my bed. Boq and I have a somewhat unique experience to draw from, and it's a single game (champs, season 7, semifinal 3). Boq had less than a good time in that game, and it kind of became a standard bearer for him as a descriptor of his "town self-worth". Just given what happened in that game and the conversations I have had with Boq since, I have a decently developed mental concept of what town Boq ought to look like in our next game. And I think he is starting this one in decent alignment with that mental concept. He seeks to put his turbulence behind him and solve the cot-damned game. At least that's my initial impression.

This is some time after the initial Boq town read, and this is what's been hunting me in thinking that Jay w and Boq v seems weird. Unless "deeply spiritual" is just a way for Jay to shamelessly pocket. It's funny how I have resistant to think it is, when I shamelessly emotionally pocketed Illario in Fleabag. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, and it's just more of a joke, which the second line would imply tbh.

lets say jjj, alison, ender, fingers are town, also i am town so like tbh
who's scum iyo?

[EnderWiggin]

What's your thoughts on me tbh

Cuter than a cuttlefish.

Oh so I don't make you nervous tbh?

Should you?

Idk tbh, you felt nervous before when we spoke tbh

Uh.

Alright.

Definitely not the impression I had on my emotive state.

Of the people who would actively make me nervous if I was wolf you're behind several names =P (Not a hit on you, but there are people in this game who are semi-familiar with my play and I can't be careless around em.)

who are these players @EnderWiggin

Mac/Dizzy/Rondo

With a side of Nate because he was a good solver in Quals and had faced me as wolf very recently.

[Dyslexicon]

I've official gone insane. But I'm happy or unhappy to note that the amount of questions Marmot is asking in this game does not deviate from what he does as town, it seems.

[EnderWiggin]

My read on Boquise is deeply spiritual. I gleaned it from the garnet crystal I keep next to my bed. Boq and I have a somewhat unique experience to draw from, and it's a single game (champs, season 7, semifinal 3). Boq had less than a good time in that game, and it kind of became a standard bearer for him as a descriptor of his "town self-worth". Just given what happened in that game and the conversations I have had with Boq since, I have a decently developed mental concept of what town Boq ought to look like in our next game. And I think he is starting this one in decent alignment with that mental concept. He seeks to put his turbulence behind him and solve the cot-damned game. At least that's my initial impression.

This is some time after the initial Boq town read, and this is what's been hunting me in thinking that Jay w and Boq v seems weird. Unless "deeply spiritual" is just a way for Jay to shamelessly pocket. It's funny how I have resistant to think it is, when I shamelessly emotionally pocketed Illario in Fleabag. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, and it's just more of a joke, which the second line would imply tbh.

lets say jjj, alison, ender, fingers are town, also i am town so like tbh
who's scum iyo?

If Dizzy/Alison/JJJ/Me/You/Fingers are all town then wolves have to be in Creature/Rondo/Nate/Marmot/Lucy.

Rondo is being townread by a lot so that reduces it to 3 in Creature/Nate/Marmot/Lucy.

And I don't feel like that's the case.

[Dyslexicon]

lets say jjj, alison, ender, fingers are town, also i am town so like tbh
who's scum iyo?

Well, I highly doubt all of those are town. So that's not really a question I care to answer.

[EnderWiggin]

I see I'm coming close to being the flip for today.

[EnderWiggin]

Currently doing work and trying to juggle while backup checks are being done, will be sparodic.

I will try to make sure I have a legacy for if I do flip.

[Dyslexicon]

I see I'm coming close to being the flip for today.

It's going to be a great time.

[Dyslexicon]

@Alison Who do you think Ender is more likely wolf than Jay?

[Dyslexicon]

@Alison You really have to answer how the hell you thought it made sense that Ender/Jay could be wolf theatre, when clearly it is not. Jay tried to get Ender killed on D2, and he does not do that if they are teammates. Clearly. So what gives?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw

So where should we be looking?

My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.

Who is most likely to be the wolf in these groups?
Alison/Ender/Marmot
Dizzy/JJJ/Rondo
Boq/Creature/Nate
fingersplints/Lucy

Its late and it would be irresponsible of me to stay up even further. Enders casing was much less than I expected but I dunno if I am even unhappy about it. Good night and I will try to open once I get to work and vote. Dont be surprised if it is a silent one since I will have to be quick about it

I love that as soon as I go to bed finger status actually trying to post [VOTE: finger ] aubergine

[Alison]

Give me a second. I am grabbing breakfast and am answering on mobile. I'm trying to juggle getting my food and paying attention to the game.

[Dyslexicon]

Give me a second. I am grabbing breakfast and am answering on mobile. I'm trying to juggle getting my food and paying attention to the game.

Ok. Understood. Enjoy your breakfast tbh. Mafia isn't that important, it just feels that way sometimes lol

[RondoDimBuckle]

Putting this vote down for now:
[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

My top suspect is still Fingersplints for the same reasons as yesterday, with the additional point that Seanzie was pushing her for a time yesterday and is now dead. But I also want some more heat on Creature. I know a few people have voiced a townread, so I'm interested in hearing more about whether it's because he's playing to his town meta or something more than that.

>votes creature
>Top suspect is fingersplints

Distancing but also ready to claim cred if I manage to push her over?

No, I just wanted both my top suspects to be on the board. And as of this post I'm replying to, I've only seen 2 new posts from Fingersplints and 0 from Creature, so nothing's rally shifted in my view there. I see from the poll that you moved to Boq, I'll find that as I'm catching up.

I actually hate that this speaks to me

[robyn]

My read on Boquise is deeply spiritual. I gleaned it from the garnet crystal I keep next to my bed. Boq and I have a somewhat unique experience to draw from, and it's a single game (champs, season 7, semifinal 3). Boq had less than a good time in that game, and it kind of became a standard bearer for him as a descriptor of his "town self-worth". Just given what happened in that game and the conversations I have had with Boq since, I have a decently developed mental concept of what town Boq ought to look like in our next game. And I think he is starting this one in decent alignment with that mental concept. He seeks to put his turbulence behind him and solve the cot-damned game. At least that's my initial impression.

This is some time after the initial Boq town read, and this is what's been hunting me in thinking that Jay w and Boq v seems weird. Unless "deeply spiritual" is just a way for Jay to shamelessly pocket. It's funny how I have resistant to think it is, when I shamelessly emotionally pocketed Illario in Fleabag. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, and it's just more of a joke, which the second line would imply tbh.

lets say jjj, alison, ender, fingers are town, also i am town so like tbh
who's scum iyo?

If Dizzy/Alison/JJJ/Me/You/Fingers are all town then wolves have to be in Creature/Rondo/Nate/Marmot/Lucy.

Rondo is being townread by a lot so that reduces it to 3 in Creature/Nate/Marmot/Lucy.

And I don't feel like that's the case.

creature/nate/marmot team tbh

[EnderWiggin]

I do not feel comfortable in terms of surety.

Rondo/Marmot/Dizzy town feels good to me.

[Creature]

Are we decided?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I see that I am being voted by the meme lord and JJJ tbh
alrightie

What is this post?

I'm not thrilled with Rondo's vote being relegated to "meme lord".

I am but I don't know if getting votes for now is so hard because he is town or a wolf with cover

[EnderWiggin]

Dizzy, why did Boq's catchup make you say he was town?

[Boquise]

i am not asleep

can anyone talk to me about my creature things

[RondoDimBuckle]

I see that I am being voted by the meme lord and JJJ tbh
alrightie

What is this post?

I'm not thrilled with Rondo's vote being relegated to "meme lord".

it is a compliment tbh. I was debating writing "fellow meme lord" but feared you accuse me of being pocketry tbh

Damn it when I reading your posts I love them but when you're gone I really don't want to town read you. My tinfoil is strong with this one

[Marmot]

@Marmot Actually, what are your recent town and scum games?

Town Games:

Champs Game 4
Rave Master Mafia

Scum Games:

GOC 2021
Danganronpa V3 Mafia


The scum games weren't that recent, but I haven't actually randed scum in 6 months.

[EnderWiggin]

Hmmmm.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I don't actually believe in the Marmot townread sometimes.

[Dyslexicon]

Dizzy, why did Boq's catchup make you say he was town?

I didn't read it properly since I was on the tram. I read it later, and retracted it tbh. I don't know anymore. I'm scared and all alone and I miss Sean

[RondoDimBuckle]

I think JJJ is town tbh

So then who is the Lynch today?

[Alison]

@Alison Who do you think Ender is more likely wolf than Jay?

Here's a condensed form of my Ender case. Again, mobile, so can't type a wall or fish out a dozen quotes.

In summary:
- I think the way he was acting at the start of the game was weird and anti town. I have seen him been needlessly cryptic as town, but I associate that more with him being demotivated or bored, and he doesn't seem that way this game. Frankly, he should know better, and I'm concerned he was using it as a shield for anti town play.

- The way the Wilgy wagon got essentially flashed at the end of D2 was suggestive of a save. He is a candidate for the person being saved, along with finger.

- He is one of the players that I think would kill Seanzie over players like Jay or Boq. Seanzie was openly skeptical of his cryptic attitude and was likely to be a thorn in a mafia Ender's side.

- He was on both town wagons and (iirc) endorsed them both.

- He is treating Rondo in a sort of kid gloves, apprehensive way. I think this fits the attitude that a mafia Ender is likely to have towards a townie that is very good at reading him but that he cannot justify nightkilling.

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Never mind

[Dyslexicon]

i am not asleep

can anyone talk to me about my creature things

But what are the things? I can't draw any conclusions about it tbh

[Creature]

Marmot looks town comparing to GOC only

[Boquise]

I think JJJ is town tbh

So then who is the Lynch today?

well, i am currently looking at creature/marmot/ender/lucy
but i feel like creature is town rn tbh

[Dyslexicon]

@Marmot Actually, what are your recent town and scum games?

Town Games:

Champs Game 4
Rave Master Mafia

Scum Games:

GOC 2021
Danganronpa V3 Mafia


The scum games weren't that recent, but I haven't actually randed scum in 6 months.

Thanks. Scum game link doesn't work, but I'll find it

[Boquise]

I feel good about:

Alison
Boquise
Creature
fingersplints
JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall

Slightly worried those are the most experienced players here though

Ok I might consider adding DrWilgy in

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Single most likely town in that group of four @Boquise?

...maybe Creature?
The post I just quoted.

Would scum!Creature look at the towncore list he just created and be like "oh yeah snap, I forgot to add town!Wilgy. I better do that rn and tell everyone tbh. And then I won't bathe in the glory with saying 'told you so' when Wilgy is eventually flipped"?

I feel good about:

Alison
Boquise
Creature
fingersplints
JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall

Slightly worried those are the most experienced players here though

Ok I might consider adding DrWilgy in

if i am reading Fingers and JJJ correctly, this list would consist of 5 townies, including myself.. With only Creature and Alison I dont directly town read atm

I kinda want to do Nate the most because he seems pretty under and it feels like he's being forcefully shoved into the townreads list and/or barely evaluated at all. As comparison, I often see myself going from townread to wolfread or viceversa.

i mean i could see this as a scum player who is trying to chainsaw rondo and nate

Not sure if I am fan of this gamestate

I know I am town and I'm not really sure on falcon being wolf

hmm

when it comes to flipped players, Creature has been 100% correct so far

so either creature has played an accurate game without reading much, or have tmi

@Dyslexicon

[Marmot]

@Marmot Actually, what are your recent town and scum games?

Town Games:

Champs Game 4
Rave Master Mafia

Scum Games:

GOC 2021
Danganronpa V3 Mafia


The scum games weren't that recent, but I haven't actually randed scum in 6 months.

Thanks. Scum game link doesn't work, but I'll find it

Danganronpa V3

It's on Mafia Cafe

[Boquise]

Marmot looks town comparing to GOC only

you should answer your mentions tbh

[Marmot]

What does that mean?

No, I'm really asking.

There was a point in Fleabag where Jay took multiple votes at the end of a day phase in the form of a flashwagon. I took the opportunity to support it to make it look like it had some serious momentum, both to gauge Jay's reaction, and to gauge the thread's reaction to seeing him as a wagon.

Jay's reaction at the time I found townie. I already thought he was town (which I was right), so perhaps I had conf-biased myself, but I thought it was a potentially useful exercise nonetheless. I don't remember much else from that event.

Seeing momentum here, I thought it could be useful to try said tactic again. Jay does look like he's had momentum building on him since mid Day 2 or so. I however think he's still performed just fine under that pressure.


Also, as I've said before, I think Jay is turning into the fallguy for the heat being put on the towncore, and I believe that makes it more likely a miss.

Wat.

That was a complete meme wagon, and Jimmay was never going over in that game.

Whereas here, the suspicion on him is very real.

Do you expect him to perform bad under pressure as mafia more?

Why do you have that feeling, that he's the fallguy? Ender and me have pressured him, Alison to a lesser degree.

I mean, someone who isn't caught up and peaks at the poll doesn't know that

I've already explained it. Boq/jjj/Alison keep getting mentioned as a group, and Jay is taking most of the heat of that group

Boq had taken some.

Alison has taken next to none.


What do you think about that

@Alison I'm getting really bad feels from this whole exchange in regards to Jay/Marmot

Are you even trying to entertain my perspective?

[Dyslexicon]

Are you even trying to entertain my perspective?

Yes. I also feel like it's kind of outrageous for me to tinfoil you while doing it. Maybe I should stop

[Marmot]

What makes you think Jay/Marmot are aligned specifically? And why does the Ender read anchor the rest of yours?

I'm having weird inexplicable creepy feels about Marmot, a player I should town read if he's town. I think he might be out of scum range, but at the same time, I can't shake the suspicion. I also dreamt that I read the thread and was convinced Jay/Marmot was mafia. Yes, this is real. Marmot voted for Jay when me and Ender asked, but imo he's been hedgy about a read there and I felt that he didn't really want to vote there. I was not happy with the way he made it to be a reaction vote when I asked him about it later. He also said Jay is taking a lot of heat, when in fact, it was pretty much just me and Ender. Doesn't seem real. Jay's read on Marmot also feels like it could be on a teammate.

Boq/Jay interaction is also weird. Boq null reading Jay in spite of the thread is something I didn't notice, but it is striking to me now. Then Jay makes a whole case and a scum read on Boq. Boq ends up town reading Jay. Jay votes somewhere else.

Ender is the town read where I have probably made the biggest leap of faith. I don't see anything scummy in his posts really. I don't see who he would be teamed with. He doesn't seem concerned about being caught as scum at all. I just don't think he is. If this is wrong anyway though, my reads would obviously be a lot different.

Don't ask me to vote for Jay if you can't deal with the pressure of forcing that wagon

[EnderWiggin]

@Alison Who do you think Ender is more likely wolf than Jay?

Here's a condensed form of my Ender case. Again, mobile, so can't type a wall or fish out a dozen quotes.

In summary:
- I think the way he was acting at the start of the game was weird and anti town. I have seen him been needlessly cryptic as town, but I associate that more with him being demotivated or bored, and he doesn't seem that way this game. Frankly, he should know better, and I'm concerned he was using it as a shield for anti town play.

- The way the Wilgy wagon got essentially flashed at the end of D2 was suggestive of a save. He is a candidate for the person being saved, along with finger.

- He is one of the players that I think would kill Seanzie over players like Jay or Boq. Seanzie was openly skeptical of his cryptic attitude and was likely to be a thorn in a mafia Ender's side.

- He was on both town wagons and (iirc) endorsed them both.

- He is treating Rondo in a sort of kid gloves, apprehensive way. I think this fits the attitude that a mafia Ender is likely to have towards a townie that is very good at reading him but that he cannot justify nightkilling.

It's almost like I've admitted multiple times that my irl is currently pretty stressful.

I definitely endorsed both wagons.

I treat Rondo with paranoia every game including town games, we have some history of this and Rondo can even confirm that. You can call that whatever you want.

This feels like some things that are accurate (I could see myself killing Seanzie, for instance.)

Some things that are conjecture (Wagon flash D2 was to save me)

And some things that are both false or nitpicky (My weirdness in GOC was over the top, for instance, and yet I wasn't demotivated there. I don't do it often but I have history including that.) (And my Rondo reads.)

[Marmot]

I don't know what to say Dizzy, it's hard to work with you when you turn around and talk about your tinfoil read on me multiple times a day. I want to. I'm putting aside my paranoia of you for now to try and do the same.

[Dyslexicon]

Don't ask me to vote for Jay if you can't deal with the pressure of forcing that wagon

I don't really know what you're saying here.

[Boquise]

ender whats your take on me tbh

[Alison]

@Alison You really have to answer how the hell you thought it made sense that Ender/Jay could be wolf theatre, when clearly it is not. Jay tried to get Ender killed on D2, and he does not do that if they are teammates. Clearly. So what gives?

I had a thought. I expressed it. In my mind Jay was a lot less severe on Ender than he was in reality; frankly, I didn't even remember that Jay was voting Ender. I was much more focused on the Wilgy wagon when catching up on EOD.

Without that context, all I am seeing is that two players who are very capable of nuanced, detailed cases are throwing around accusations with more flash than substance. I voiced the immediate thought that came to mind, which is, hey, what if this is a show.

I don't endorse that read now, after seeing the way D3 developed and after being reminded that the two were already harsh on each other previously.

[EnderWiggin]

ender whats your take on me tbh

You feel like you're playing a distant game which on first pass I want to scumread but I doubt you're with the other people I'm scumreading so you gotta be just town right?

That's my bad take on you.

[Alison]

@RondoDimBuckle Can you corroborate the claim that this is how Ender treats you every game? What is your read on him?

[Dyslexicon]

@Boquise Not sure how you got that though. Because Creature was calling Falcon possible mafia while at the same time complaining that the direction was off. He was also entertaining Wilgy as possible mafia, while at the same time whining that town was not chopping mafia. I don't understand Creature's play at all at all if he's town here tbh.

[EnderWiggin]

@Alison You really have to answer how the hell you thought it made sense that Ender/Jay could be wolf theatre, when clearly it is not. Jay tried to get Ender killed on D2, and he does not do that if they are teammates. Clearly. So what gives?

I had a thought. I expressed it. In my mind Jay was a lot less severe on Ender than he was in reality; frankly, I didn't even remember that Jay was voting Ender. I was much more focused on the Wilgy wagon when catching up on EOD.

Without that context, all I am seeing is that two players who are very capable of nuanced, detailed cases are throwing around accusations with more flash than substance. I voiced the immediate thought that came to mind, which is, hey, what if this is a show.

I don't endorse that read now, after seeing the way D3 developed and after being reminded that the two were already harsh on each other previously.

"He only does this when bored or demotivated"

"Man he seems to not really be putting a lot of substance into thread, for someone capable of making cases the accusations are all flash and fire."

We both know I can make detailed cases as scum.

How has it not reached you that I don't have time or brainspace for me quoting 50 things to convince people I'm right only to be wagoned anyway.

[Marmot]

Don't ask me to vote for Jay if you can't deal with the pressure of forcing that wagon

I don't really know what you're saying here.

I'm frustrated that you seem to tinfoil me when I'm trying to entertain your desires in this game.

[Dyslexicon]

@Alison Why is the wagon on Wilgy suggestive of a save? Sean called for votes there, and he was town. I voted after him, and I am town. Why was it a save?

[Dyslexicon]

Don't ask me to vote for Jay if you can't deal with the pressure of forcing that wagon

I don't really know what you're saying here.

I'm frustrated that you seem to tinfoil me when I'm trying to entertain your desires in this game.

I love you and I am not voting you and I might vote Alison.

Out of Creature and Ender, who do you most like to see DEAD

[Creature]

Marmot looks town comparing to GOC only

you should answer your mentions tbh

I can't keep track of them all