Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

[Epignosis]

Clue.

[Chris]

Dear God in heaven almighty.

I give up.

Welcome back LC. Thank God we've got a player back in for Dana.

I think...

[Epignosis]

That's a lynch switch followed by a lynch Stop.

[Marmot]

Who were his teammates in Clue? Generally that is considered a team asset and if he had more conservative teammates they may have held onto it.

He wasn't bad- he was a civilian with a lynch switch and lynch stop.

[Chris]

Both things that are not listed in anyone roles... that we can see.

[Epignosis]

Both things that are not listed in anyone roles... that we can see.

So leave him alone.

[Chris]

I'm not accusing him of either the stop or the switch.

[Epignosis]

I'm not accusing him of either the stop or the switch.

I was teasing.

[keys56000000000]

Hehe, all signs point to Bass ---> Mafioso

Sup LC. Anything to tell us from your new vantage point? Your thoughts regarding the time you've been away?

[Chris]

keys, do you think Bass or his team are responsible for the switch and/or the stop?

[keys56000000000]

keys, do you think Bass or his team are responsible for the switch and/or the stop?

Yes, 100%, without a doubt.

[Chris]

keys, do you think Bass or his team are responsible for the switch and/or the stop?

Yes, 100%, without a doubt.

How did they do it?

[keys56000000000]

keys, do you think Bass or his team are responsible for the switch and/or the stop?

Yes, 100%, without a doubt.

How did they do it?

Someone, most lkely Bass, has a lynch-switch and lynch-stop. Perhaps Bass is a secret role, perhaps he's the recruiter we've been looking for. Since no switch and stop are listeded amongst the Cyber roles or Master, that's my best guess. If Bass isn't that secret role, then he is a recruited player being saved by that role. Presumably an important role to have the power used both times to save him. But, IMO more likely, Bass is that role.

[Chris]

I pray you're right.

But I fear you're wrong.

[keys56000000000]

I pray you're right.

But I fear you're wrong.

Uh huh. Well, what's your view?

[Marmot]

zeek's or my rezz aren't listed in the roles...

[Chris]

I think Bass is the Cyber team role checker. I've been saying that. I haven't seen any reason to think otherwise.

I also think that the stop and the switch are end game preparations by the recruitment team.

But I'm a pessimist with a fatalistic view on most things.


MM, they were game related.

I suppose the poem could have given something, but I'm more inclined to believe they are recruiter powers.

[Chris]

Game related, as in we played a game for the prizes.

[Epignosis]

I think Bass is the Cyber team role checker. I've been saying that. I haven't seen any reason to think otherwise.

lol

[Dom]

I think Bass is the Cyber team role checker. I've been saying that. I haven't seen any reason to think otherwise.

I also think that the stop and the switch are end game preparations by the recruitment team.

But I'm a pessimist with a fatalistic view on most things.


MM, they were game related.

I suppose the poem could have given something, but I'm more inclined to believe they are recruiter powers.

"End game preparations"
By your own estimations, the recruitment team has 4 members.
There are 16 players alive.
Are you kidding me?

[keys56000000000]

I also think that the stop and the switch are end game preparations by the recruitment team.

But I'm a pessimist with a fatalistic view on most things.

.

End game? What on Earth gives you reason to be confident about that? You are the most paranoid mafia player I have ever known.


I swear you've been watching too much True Detective.

[Marmot]

I think Bass is the Cyber team role checker. I've been saying that. I haven't seen any reason to think otherwise.

I coulda sworn sabie was the role checker though.

[Long Con]

Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

I do think that there's a lot of assumptions being made, a lot of worst-case-scenario beliefs in play. For instance, there could be limitations to recruitments. Maybe we could think, as a from-the-beginning perspective, about the idea of two recruiters... is that what people believe now? I think, if we worked out those numbers, it might inevitably lead toward a "The Civs are screwed" perspective. Maybe I'm wrong, I just kind of read a bunch of pages pretty fast.

Is it impossible for Bass to be the Master? Bass, why did you survive?

Linki: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Sabie as the Cyber rolechecker.

[Marmot]

Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

You're a Dalek k? I saw Dana with the devil.

[Long Con]

Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

You're a Dalek k? I saw Dana with the devil.

Yeah, the other secret role is the Dalek Body. The original Long Con was secretly the Dalek Head, who randomly spins around like The Exorcist whenever someone lies in the thread.

[Marmot]

Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

You're a Dalek k? I saw Dana with the devil.

Yeah, the other secret role is the Dalek Body.
The original Long Con was the Dalek Head
Who randomly spins around like The Exorcist
Whenever someone lies in the thread.

^^^Adjusted. Now it rhymes.

[Dom]

Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

You're a Dalek k? I saw Dana with the devil.

Yeah, the other secret role is the Dalek Body. The original Long Con was secretly the Dalek Head, who randomly spins around like The Exorcist whenever someone lies in the thread.

[Long Con]

Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

You're a Dalek k? I saw Dana with the devil.

Yeah, the other secret role is the Dalek Body.
The original Long Con was the Dalek Head
Who randomly spins around like The Exorcist
Whenever someone lies in the thread.

^^^Adjusted. Now it rhymes.

Wow, I'm a poet
And I didn't even have that awareness!

[keys56000000000]

Me too!

a-wi-wi--wiccka-werr-wi-wi-awareness

[Marmot]

Me too!

a-wi-wi--wiccka-werr-wi-wi-awareness

[Long Con]

Ah, keys, it's good to be back. You don't think I'd leave my homie alone out here with all these insane folk, do ya?

[keys56000000000]

Ah, keys, it's good to be back. You don't think I'd leave my homie alone out here with all these insane folk, do ya?

It did seem that way for a bit, yeah. Like I had gotten old, all my friends were dead and I was in a home surrounded by mentally-challenged tall-tale-tellers.

[bea]

Sooo much good funny here. Thanks for that MM, LC and Keys. For realzies I about spit water all over my purrrdy new notebook reading that exchange.

[Long Con]

Ah, keys, it's good to be back. You don't think I'd leave my homie alone out here with all these insane folk, do ya?

It did seem that way for a bit, yeah. Like I had gotten old, all my friends were dead and I was in a home surrounded by mentally-challenged tall-tale-tellers.

So, I assume that Epig is doing some math on kills and survivals and that's why the Civs are screwed? I haven't been doing the strongest analysis of the game, I've just been trying to get baddies n stuff. So, let's do some in-thread math on things.

How many players are left? How many of them are Civs? How many definite baddies, how many Secrets (two obviously), and figure out how many recruits there needs to be before the Civs cannot win?

[Marmot]

16 players left.

Definitely 5 baddies killed, so possibly 4 left.

Two recruits dead, one returned.



Something like that.

[Marmot]

Sooo much good funny here. Thanks for that MM, LC and Keys. For realzies I about spit water all over my purrrdy new notebook reading that exchange.

Of course. Rob would be proud.

[bea]

I saw newt with the Devil. (ahh - Potter....) Or at the least a WITCH!!! BURN HER!!!

[Long Con]

Bass_The_Clever
Chris
DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
Epi 2.0
Goatrees
Hedgeowl
Juliets 2.0
Keys11tybillion
Long Con 2.0
MetalMarsh - Lucy Saxon (recruited)
MovingPIctures07 - The Doctor
Ninjablooper
Snow Dog 2.0
SVS
Zeek
Black Rock - Killed N9 by The Master
Boogs Replaced by Turnip Head v 2.0 Night 2 - Lynched Day 9 - Jackie Tyler
Enrique - Lynched Day 5 - Dalek Sec
Epignosis - Lynched Day 2. K9
fingersplints - Killed N3 by the Daleks
Juliets - Lynched Day 1 - River Song
Long Con - Killed N9 by the Cybermen
Made - Killed N4 by Strax
Mister Rearranger - Nightkilled Night 1 by The Master
Rox - Lynched Day 7 - Dalek 2
Sabie - Lynched Day 8 - Cyberman 2
Snow Dog- Lynched Day 3. Mickey Smith
Spacedaisy -Killed N5 by The Master
Turnip Head - Nightkilled Night 1 by Daleks

I count 17 players left alive.

[Marmot]

Bass_The_Clever
Chris
DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
Epi 2.0
Goatrees
Hedgeowl
Juliets 2.0
Keys11tybillion
Long Con 2.0
MetalMarsh - Lucy Saxon (recruited)
MovingPIctures07 - The Doctor
Ninjablooper
Snow Dog 2.0
SVS
Zeek
Black Rock - Killed N9 by The Master
Boogs Replaced by Turnip Head v 2.0 Night 2 - Lynched Day 9 - Jackie Tyler
Enrique - Lynched Day 5 - Dalek Sec
Epignosis - Lynched Day 2. K9
fingersplints - Killed N3 by the Daleks
Juliets - Lynched Day 1 - River Song
Long Con - Killed N9 by the Cybermen
Made - Killed N4 by Strax
Mister Rearranger - Nightkilled Night 1 by The Master
Rox - Lynched Day 7 - Dalek 2
Sabie - Lynched Day 8 - Cyberman 2
Snow Dog- Lynched Day 3. Mickey Smith
Spacedaisy -Killed N5 by The Master
Turnip Head - Nightkilled Night 1 by Daleks

I count 17 players left alive.

My mistake, but there were only 16 on the poll. Looking back, SVS was not on the poll.

[bea]

My mistake, but there were only 16 on the poll. Looking back, SVS was not on the poll.

Hosting Error. My bad. Rushed Bea makes many mistakes.

[Long Con]

Night 10: Civ dies, second Cyber dies
Day 11: Third Cyber dies
Night 11: Two Civvies die
Day 12: Last Cyber dies

11 players left. Still have to kill The Master, two secret roles, and a couple of recruits

Night 12: Civ dies, Master hit #1
Day 13: Master hit #2
Night 13: Two Civvies die
Night 14: Civ dies, Master dies

6 players left, no Cybers, no Master. That's obviously an oversimplified version of things where recruits aren't taken into account. And unless the baddies and Indies are all in cahoots, then some of those Civvie deaths could just be Recruit deaths, or Master hits from the Cybers.

Maybe someone else can take this sweeping "analysis" and solidify some plans, maybe the Cybers do need to kill someone other than good ol' Civvies in order to have a chance. I'd like to think that the various non-Civvie factions don't know for sure who each other are, and will be as likely to kill each other as the Civs.

[Long Con]

Wait, I was still doing Cyber kills after Night 12. Of course, killing the whole Cyber Team as immediately as possible isn't so likely, so maybe that's not so bad. I just wanted to put some numbers out there to play with.

[Dom]

In addition, we don't know how many Cybers are left and if both of the remaining secret roles need to be dead. Just my thinking:
2 baddie teams, a recruiter, a serial killer... that's already a lot of threat to the civvies. Lucy was one Secret Role. The other two? One is the recruiter(s?) and the other could be just about anything. So, perhaps one of the secret roles is at least neutral?

[Dom]

Chris, just curious, I was looking at post counts and I noticed something:


Dana: 145

Hedgeowl: 118
Gotrees: 93
Black Rock: 80
DFaraday: 66
Bass_The_Clever: 58
Elohcin: 55
nijuukyugou: 42


What do you make of that?
Not accusing you of anything-- just curious what you'd think.

[Dom]

I realize BR is dead, but she is recently dead...

[Chris]

Night 10: Civ dies, second Cyber dies
Day 11: Third Cyber dies
Night 11: Two Civvies die
Day 12: Last Cyber dies (Who is the last Cyber?)

11 players left. Still have to kill The Master, two secret roles, and a couple of recruits

Night 12: Civ dies, Master hit #1
Day 13: Master hit #2
Night 13: Two Civvies die
Day 14: ?????
Night 14: Civ dies, Master dies (Double target rules would not allow this)

Why don't you want to use the Day 14 lynch to kill The Master?

LOL Day 14...

[Snow Dog]

I have had my head in the sand regarding bass. A switch and then a block. Can he survive a further lynch?

Great game though if a bit stressing and when I was posting this morning I had been drinking and was sooooo tired. How do you manage it Zeek?

[zeek]

My immediate thought after reading that post was that Bass was the Master and had won the switch as a prize. Why didn't anyone else think this? but its also possible he is Cyber/recruited and somebody is protecting him. This game is beginning to hurt my brain!

[zeek]

Great game though if a bit stressing and when I was posting this morning I had been drinking and was sooooo tired. How do you manage it Zeek?

I went to bed quite soon after you. And I don't drink :P

[Snow Dog]

BTW everyone, last night's Doctor Who was one of the worst episodes I have ever seen. Lowest point of this series by far. Get some writers who can write SF Moffett!!!