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[EnderWiggin]

I'm voting Rondo at lylo 100% of the time. He's town otherwise.

Why did you ask me about Rondo, and what would your answer to the same question be btw?

why quote this post?

Dizzy/Wink... Dink?

No Wizzy, I like Wizzy more.

Wizzy, what WOULD Rondo's scumrange at this point in the game look like?

What WOULD Prompt a Mac town read?

If this question is for me: I do not know. I don’t really have a read on Rondo, but they seemed to be reacting with votes. Real reaction instead of musings. But that is pretty thin of course. Their town read of Ender was interesting, don’t know what it means if anything.

when this is the post you are talking about?

Why are you asking about this? Would it be AI to you?

I will answer though: I quoted that post, because after Wilgy asked me something like "What would Rondo as town look like at this point?", which he asked because I weakly town leaned on you, I assumed Wilgy did not think I should town lean on you at this stage. But then I remembered Wilgy did not have you in his PoE, so then why ask me about it like I did something wrong?

So that is why I quoted the post where Wilgy himself is town reading you. Because his question sounded like he was sceptical about my town lean, while I could ask him the exact same question.

Which is why I'm wondering about a possible Rondo/Wilgy team here.

if ender says you are wolf, you are wolf. If you flip town. Turbo ender

Nothing can make me a wolf.
And I hate this idea.

I could be wrong sure, but I trust Enders reads of you. If he abuses that trust he is wolf.

Can Ender not be wrong as town?

I've seen plenty of people claiming to have a good read on someone be wrong.

@EnderWiggin ?

What

if ender says you are wolf, you are wolf. If you flip town. Turbo ender

Nothing can make me a wolf.
And I hate this idea.

I could be wrong sure, but I trust Enders reads of you. If he abuses that trust he is wolf.

Can Ender not be wrong as town?

I've seen plenty of people claiming to have a good read on someone be wrong.

Also like, this is not a confident read lol.

Last few games I've been much more sure.

I do not like this response
[VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

Are you wolfing Rondo

[EnderWiggin]

Sometimes people I read well I don't have a confident read on.

I am allowed to not have confident reads right?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Why did you ask me about Rondo, and what would your answer to the same question be btw?

why quote this post?

If this question is for me: I do not know. I don’t really have a read on Rondo, but they seemed to be reacting with votes. Real reaction instead of musings. But that is pretty thin of course. Their town read of Ender was interesting, don’t know what it means if anything.

when this is the post you are talking about?

Why are you asking about this? Would it be AI to you?

I will answer though: I quoted that post, because after Wilgy asked me something like "What would Rondo as town look like at this point?", which he asked because I weakly town leaned on you, I assumed Wilgy did not think I should town lean on you at this stage. But then I remembered Wilgy did not have you in his PoE, so then why ask me about it like I did something wrong?

So that is why I quoted the post where Wilgy himself is town reading you. Because his question sounded like he was sceptical about my town lean, while I could ask him the exact same question.

Which is why I'm wondering about a possible Rondo/Wilgy team here.

Nothing can make me a wolf.
And I hate this idea.

I could be wrong sure, but I trust Enders reads of you. If he abuses that trust he is wolf.

Can Ender not be wrong as town?

I've seen plenty of people claiming to have a good read on someone be wrong.

@EnderWiggin ?

What

if ender says you are wolf, you are wolf. If you flip town. Turbo ender

Nothing can make me a wolf.
And I hate this idea.

I could be wrong sure, but I trust Enders reads of you. If he abuses that trust he is wolf.

Can Ender not be wrong as town?

I've seen plenty of people claiming to have a good read on someone be wrong.

Also like, this is not a confident read lol.

Last few games I've been much more sure.

I do not like this response
[VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

Are you wolfing Rondo

Sometimes people I read well I don't have a confident read on.

I am allowed to not have confident reads right?

Are you?

[EnderWiggin]

Nope.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Nope.

why quote this post?



when this is the post you are talking about?

Why are you asking about this? Would it be AI to you?

I will answer though: I quoted that post, because after Wilgy asked me something like "What would Rondo as town look like at this point?", which he asked because I weakly town leaned on you, I assumed Wilgy did not think I should town lean on you at this stage. But then I remembered Wilgy did not have you in his PoE, so then why ask me about it like I did something wrong?

So that is why I quoted the post where Wilgy himself is town reading you. Because his question sounded like he was sceptical about my town lean, while I could ask him the exact same question.

Which is why I'm wondering about a possible Rondo/Wilgy team here.

I could be wrong sure, but I trust Enders reads of you. If he abuses that trust he is wolf.

Can Ender not be wrong as town?

I've seen plenty of people claiming to have a good read on someone be wrong.

@EnderWiggin ?

What

Nothing can make me a wolf.
And I hate this idea.

I could be wrong sure, but I trust Enders reads of you. If he abuses that trust he is wolf.

Can Ender not be wrong as town?

I've seen plenty of people claiming to have a good read on someone be wrong.

Also like, this is not a confident read lol.

Last few games I've been much more sure.

I do not like this response
[VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

Are you wolfing Rondo

Sometimes people I read well I don't have a confident read on.

I am allowed to not have confident reads right?

Are you?

ok

[VOTE: Dolby ] aubergine

[EnderWiggin]

Lmao.

Strongly worded responses work on Rondo apparently.

[Dyslexicon]

Im voting Dobly/Wilgy what more do you want?

Not the "what more do you want from me" lol

I asked you to form an actual opinion on both the top wagons, if you can.

[Dyslexicon]

Hi.

I am tired from work and shit.

@Dyslexicon

Sure.

It would maybe help me if I knew a bit more about what you are considering in your head right now.

I think I'm playing pretty straight forward.

[Dyslexicon]

I so much want dizzy to be town that I'm not sold mac, sorry
but yeah i'll vote moon w/e (sorry moon)

[VOTE: Porcha ] aubergine

I'm voting Rondo at lylo 100% of the time. He's town otherwise.

Did you town read Rondo for voting Porscha?

Dizzy/Wink... Dink?

No Wizzy, I like Wizzy more.

Wizzy, what WOULD Rondo's scumrange at this point in the game look like?

What WOULD Prompt a Mac town read?

Looking back at this, the question about Rondo kind of pinged me, because it seemed to me like a critique or gotcha question. Just like the question below, which reads "Why don't you town read Mac?" (Which is funny cause I just then reread his posts and felt they were fine). And the above reads like "Why do you town read Rondo?", when Wilgy is also town reading Rondo. As if it's wrong.

BUT, that also seems like a bit of a stretch and reading too much into things. But I do want to highlight this anyway.

[Dolby]

At least some ok feels:
Moon
Rondo
HK
Wilgy

PoE:
Dolby
Ender
Mac

These reads are pretty weak tbh

if ender says you are wolf, you are wolf. If you flip town. Turbo ender

Sheep Ender and don’t vote me

[Dyslexicon]

I don't have a good grasp of Moon's normal play. I do think they came off "awkward" in the beginning. But I also don't think that is very AI.

Also, Falcon is town for not voting for me.

@DrWilgy, your votes are tilting me. The feel towny, but holy fuck stop voting me.

I feel like these posts are pretty towny from Moon. I don't think the mindframe of "People who are voting me should stop and they are annoying" is wolfy at all. And paying attention to who does and how it happens, and directly appealing to me to not do it. There's no shame to it, I guess is what I see, and I see that as towny.

If you all insist that Moon is wolf, I hope you're right, and I will look into possible partners and who can't be.

Right now I think the accusations on Moon is almost as weak as the ones on me.

[Dolby]

going thru dizzy's ISO I can't find a reason he puts me or dolby in poe. he just responds back and forth to moon about moon's reasoning (only voting moon and not dizzy, god forbid) for voting me (which is a trash reason, but dizzy accepts said reason without question)

all dizzy did was mention how dolby triple posted and then puts me and dolby as their votes and bottom of their POE. hard to believe those votes and reasonings are legitimate from dizzy..........................................

I put everyone I didn't town read in PoE.
I now town read you btw.

Dizzy moving off of Porscha here is good bc I do think that Porscha was pretty towny last night and I didn’t like their fixation on their half sheep of Mac

[Dyslexicon]

@Dolby I need you to explain exactly what your read of me consists of.

[Dolby]

eh

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

fwiw Dizzy never made a real read on me and I suspect he's just voting me bc he wants others in competition with himself and porscha, regardless of alignment

I was voting you because you were one of the non town reads I didn't mind voting. Almost no-one had made any real content at all.

I still don't town read you. Your direction is bad.

All reasoning in this game, for town reading and wolf reading are weak as fuck. This is probably because the content is weak as fuck.

Tell that to Porscha, not me

[Dyslexicon]

Dizzy moving off of Porscha here is good bc I do think that Porscha was pretty towny last night and I didn’t like their fixation on their half sheep of Mac

My fixation on it? Are you for real. I have not been fixated on anything this game, because this game has been devoid of any real and good content. I simply wanted to know why Porscha did in fact want me to be town and then wanted to sheep Mac on Moon, but not on me. Do you think that is unreasonable or wolfy or whatever? Why.

If anyone is fixating, it's the goose squad trying to force a Dizzy/Moon team out of what is basically RVS voting from Mac. And I know Mac will vehemently disagree, but it is in fact a random page 2 thing, and it's wrong.

[Dolby]

actually if we're set on moon/dizzy being the exact team id like to propose voting out exactly one of them with someone else.

if we're right we just get them d2 when we would've got them d1, a win either way

if we're wrong we get a potential productive yeet out of d1 and probably a more advantageous gamestate going forward

This is plain bad.

If you're "set" on me and Moon because Mac made a silly goose comment on a page 2 posts, that is gross. Quite frankly.

Why in the fucking hell would you want to set the chop in stone at this point in the game?

How is your confidence in this theory and why, in your own words?

This is disappointing as either alignment.

I think that elimming both you and Moon today kinda sucks and while I hated you just being like “idk guys, Moon has seemed to be be working in a town mainframe to me”, and am literally voting both of you it’s more directed at the other people who just left votes on both of you based on Mac semi-shitposting

I made this post very specifically because I am not set in stone while other people don’t feel like they are, one of the chops, Moonwink, felt like it was at the time.

Also I think that it’s good mechanically regardless

[Dolby]

if ender says you are wolf, you are wolf. If you flip town. Turbo ender

Nothing can make me a wolf.
And I hate this idea.

Tbh this is standard rondo/Ender and I’ll just see how they read each other on their banter on each orher

[Dolby]

[VOTE: Rondo
Wilgy] aubergine

I'm going with my own brain, rather than goose town right now. Excuse me.

Going out for a while, but will be quite available all day after that. Lucky you all.

If only people would actually show up, that would be truly high level.

Dizzy you’d have to convince me a lot more Wilgy is a wolf

[Dolby]

I don’t think Ender left a read on me and that makes me sad

[Dolby]

@Dolby I need you to explain exactly what your read of me consists of.

I hate like half of your reads and felt like you were trying to grasp at anything in the early game but your stuff didn’t start really meaning anything until recently

[Dolby]

Dizzy moving off of Porscha here is good bc I do think that Porscha was pretty towny last night and I didn’t like their fixation on their half sheep of Mac

My fixation on it? Are you for real. I have not been fixated on anything this game, because this game has been devoid of any real and good content. I simply wanted to know why Porscha did in fact want me to be town and then wanted to sheep Mac on Moon, but not on me. Do you think that is unreasonable or wolfy or whatever? Why.

If anyone is fixating, it's the goose squad trying to force a Dizzy/Moon team out of what is basically RVS voting from Mac. And I know Mac will vehemently disagree, but it is in fact a random page 2 thing, and it's wrong.

Are you kidding me that one thing from Porscha is present across like 15 of your posts from 100-300 and it’s pretty self-evidently something that’s not AI. So yeah I think it’s both

Yeah I didn’t really like that dizzy/moon team theory until you started having moon as top town for a reason that I just don’t see even when I try to apply a different mindset

[Dolby]

Did Rondo just decide to vote the two highest players on the player list alphabetically? Lol

[Dyslexicon]

I do like this double chop though. I've always liked that mechanic.

I vote we try to end the game on D1 and just win.
For the memes.
For the glory.

This is the first time I've played a game with it. My first thought was that it could be treated almost like a parity cop check, but I feel like just saying that out loud would discourage people from getting into conflicts and arguments. :<

tbh i don't understand this

Ender is the entire wolf team and has to be today's yeet

now that that's out of the way he cannot call me out for pocketing him when i pocket him later

I'm being pocketed by Dolby help.

I made myself pancakes. <3

panickakes

The best kind.

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

real talk what do you think about Dolby?

Pocketing me.

I do seriously think he's wolfing here. This reminds me more of how he wolfs Secret Hitler in terms of just owning things and trying to drive the thread to the direction he wants to get to. As far as his partner I don't actually think it's you. Possible it's dizzy but unlikely tbh

The dynamics of SH are way different than forum mafia, also i want a take on if me and Ender are partners. With that said, I haven't been driving the thread anywhere, and I can't counternance a take that any of my first page pushes could be read as serious

I can sheep Mac sure.

i kinda take issue with this, this is one of the few playerlists where wolf ender can just get away with this

but honestly yeah dizzy and moon were kinda weird p1 on a vibes level

I would like it known that I am not yet making a public read on Dizzy

So this is how you're going to do it, hm?

Can't get OUTED if you don't have an opinion, hmmm?

this is wolfy

unironically agree even though im not positive that rondo is serious. Dizzy recently porported to want to make the game less dead and solve and the whole sequence of posts from them around there is weak.

Also, as I'm sure you are all aware, if we mischop with both our chops today, tomorrow is Lylo! :wowee:

dizzy stop fake townslipping dammit

I do want to solve good this game.
Right now we are all cringing, including me.

Most interesting things that has happened so far:
I seriously thought Moon/Ender could be a team before Ender had posted haha.
Dolby triple posted.
Porscha wants me to be town.
Rondo is kind of town reading Ender.
Rondo clearly scum slipped in his percentages; the answer is clearly light blue.

I'm gonna need you to go over why you thought that about moon and ender? Porscha stuff means nothing. Rondo and Ender doesn't really mean anything bc they're connected and know each other or something like that

hell, I put my second vote on HK for fun (for now)

HK vote good.
Moonwink vote bad!

ok then vote hk?

Someone utter a read on me, one way or the other please.

Your bantering with Dolby last night seemed a little too over the top for me, which is why I kinda laughed when Mac brought up yours and my bantering. I think one or both of you could be scum?

this is fine tbh.

both of us scum would be kinda wild though

moon seems sufficiently perplexed to be town

don't really agree with this tbh but im struggling so far

Someone utter a read on me, one way or the other please.

u r town

I know.

But are you? Unsure.

How do I best read you?

tbh I have no idea. I'm solidly in "shitposting and throw things out at random and see what happens" and frankly half the time I say something it's because I want to say it, not necessarily because I believe it to be true.
Like I really do wolf read dolby for how he opened the game but I can't explain why I do or make any reasonable kind of push there, just a gnawing in my soul that says dolby isn't town.

I like your posting. maybe I'm wrong but I want you to be town. I want rondo to be town as well as their posting amuses me. On page 3 of the thread Moon felt sufficiently perplexed at what is going on in the thread that I want to town read them.

I town read Mac because I kinda just always do that, until I stop doing it.

this is a more reasonable take on me tbh. Like it's literally just "idk it's a gut feel" but i like it more than "Dolby is trying to drive the game as a wolf"

going to have to question what you like about Dizzy's posting and why Moonwink being perplexed makes them town? Haven't seen much to Wink's posting that feels.

FIRM townreads:
HK
MAC

LOOSE townreads:
Wiggon
Falc
Rondo

why is ender a townread for people he is not being pog town ender

@Dolby, talk to me about your heavy focus on Ender early game. Those posts felt kinda stilted to me.

my good friend Ender is the entire wolf team, and we must get out his partners

tbh moonwink asking for more votes is the towniest feel from them so far lol

I'd probably put Dolby below Mac in my reads for the heavy focus on Ender earlier. It didn't feel natural to me.

HK is on the same level as Mac -- nothing really jumped out as scummy to me, but I also don't feel like I've got much to read off of him just yet.

of course it's not natural lol, I was going to do it no matter what.

Porscha is under Rondo for the aforementioned stuff regarding the vote on me and the non-vote on Dizzy.

Falcon didn't vote for me. Don't have anything else on them. Probably between HK and Mac in my reads.

really not seeing why this is sus for Porscha here but eh I should ask them why they TR Dizzy.

Actually, reading back, Macs posts might be mildly towny for him.

Don't like this post this is literally telling wilgy what he wants to hear

I don't really have anything to say about Mac at the moment. I got the reaction that I thought I was going to get, but I don't think it's anything I can read into this early. Straight up null.

I've liked my interactions with Dizzy so far in spite of the read I gave out earlier? I'd probably put them higher in my reads list than Mac atm.

I guess let me ask you this, if you were reaction fishing, how do you get the reaction and then feel null.

There's gotta be somethin right?

in retrospect this was a towny wilgy post

Orange in order:
1. Does you not understanding it make it wolfy? Why/why not? Just saying you don't understand it reads like shade.
2. Why is that post wolfy for me? Why don't I post that as town? Yeah, the game was moving no where and I was getting really impatient with it. I think that's pretty obvious. I have stated that all my early takes has been weak because the content has been weak imo.
3. None of the takes/observations I had there really mean much. When I said "These are the most interesting things that has happened" I was also being facetious, because those things weren't actually very interesting at all. Getting something out of this game at that point was like squeezing water out of a rock. And now it's like squeezing water out of a slimy rock.
4. Already commented on this, but this is shady as fuck as well. I literally just reread Mac's posts and was pretty fine with them on reread. Why can't I do this as town? It's either bad conf bias or wolfy at worst.

I reread the game, since it doesn't take much.

I think Mac is town just from letting me know his takes are real and dipping, and his energy in the beginning.

I think Moon is town for having a constant town mindframe throughout. How he talks about people being town for not voting him and trying to direct others. I don't understand what's wolfy about them.

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I'm curious about how @MacDougall reads Wilgy.

I think Wilgy is mostly fine. Way more serious than a lot of the games I've seen him in. His reasoning for town reading HK is particularly weak. Seems to be because HK refused to answer a question, which I get the level 0 of wow so towny, but not for HK, he could of course do that as any alignment. His mentioning of Rondo stands out to me, so I'm having that as a possible connection in the back of my mind.

It seems like some people took like one post and read into it a connection between two people and just decided reads based on that. Which is silly.

Hollow seems ok and actually has some content. Probably nothing he couldn't do as wolf. Actually the "I'm not going to explain this" was weird and pointless. Like why. He has pocketed me before as a wolf. I don't really have a strong read there, but at least he's doing something.

@hollowkatt Why do you town read Rondo and Falcon?

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I'm quote unsure on Porscha, and I want her to come back. I don't know why she wants me to be town, as either alignments. I don't know why she would sheep Mac only on Moon and not me, if mafia, unless Moon is mafia as well, but that also doesn't make sense. But I might just be thinking too hard about it. Questionmark.

I probably don't really have a read on Rondo and I don't know what he thinks about anything.

The same goes for Falcon who hasn't done anything afaic.

Ender has posted, but I don't get any towniness from any of the posts.

Dolby has been put on irreverent and trolly. Said he would do something, and didn't. No read and nothing townie.

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So that is way fewer town reads than what I want here. And I really hope this game has more to offer when I wake up.

struggling to see your townread of Moonwink, or a consistent town mindframe. Granted Moonwink has followed your own read of Porscha wanting you to be town is weird but I don't believe that.

I think that Wilgy's reasoning to townread HK can easily come from town Wilgy

I like that you're seeing that Ender hasn't done anything towny

I didn't say it couldn't come from town Wilgy, I said that the reasoning was extremely weak imo.

but yeah questioning a half-sheep when the person being protected from being full shept was yourself (i.e. what dizzy is doing in scumreading Porscha) is whack

I didn't even wolf read Porscha. I was fine voting them when they had next to no content, because they were not in my weak town lean list. I have since changed my mind. I am not wolf reading them for wanting to town read me or half sheeping Mac and never have. If you and/or Porscha thinks that, you are mistaken.

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All of this feels extremely shady and like you don't at all want to see my perspective or see me as town. You're trying to take everything in the worst way.

And I think you're better than that.

So it's icky.

[Dolby]

Dizzy I’m going to have to respond to you in like an hour but if you want to vote me bring it the fuck on

[Dyslexicon]

I think that elimming both you and Moon today kinda sucks and while I hated you just being like “idk guys, Moon has seemed to be be working in a town mainframe to me”, and am literally voting both of you it’s more directed at the other people who just left votes on both of you based on Mac semi-shitposting

I made this post very specifically because I am not set in stone while other people don’t feel like they are, one of the chops, Moonwink, felt like it was at the time.

Also I think that it’s good mechanically regardless

I'm not very sure on Moon for what it's worth. But I have pointed out some posts that I feel are townie. And maybe I have a different perspective, because I know this Moon/Dizzy thing is dumb. I don't have much experience playing with Moon, and yeah, I don't really feel like anything they've done has been wolfy, except maybe being a bit weird around Mac. I'm going to look at who could be potential partners, but I don't feel like they have that many. Not that they need to to be wolf. I'm not really seeing it, but I don't have a very strong read.

The Moon/Dizzy theory is very obviously wrong though, exactly because of our interaction. But I'm not the judge of that.

[Dyslexicon]

Dizzy I’m going to have to respond to you in like an hour but if you want to vote me bring it the fuck on

Calm down. I want to talk to you.

That's literally everything I've wanted all game. For people to actually talk and get into things.

[Dyslexicon]

Dizzy you’d have to convince me a lot more Wilgy is a wolf

I'm not out to convince you, and I'm not at all convinced myself.

I feel like you (and probably others) are blowing out of proportions me trying to solve the game. Literally all my takes and reads feel weak here, because guess what, I'm about half of the content in this game, and most of the rest are people whining about me and Moon being wolves. So yeah, I do not feel I have a great grasp of things, shockingly. But I'm trying to change that, which should be bleedingly obvious, one would think.

[Dyslexicon]

@Dolby I need you to explain exactly what your read of me consists of.

I hate like half of your reads and felt like you were trying to grasp at anything in the early game but your stuff didn’t start really meaning anything until recently

Well, yeah. Duh. Same. I have literally said this as well. I said I didn't town read anyone in the start. I said all my early reads were weak and tentative. I said that the most interesting things that had happened this game included you making a triple post. I agree.

Right now, my town reads are Mac (in spite of him promising to stomp on wolves and then proceeding to do nothing - so that says something about where I'm at with my reads and how I feel about this game). And Porscha, because I'm a sucker for the "I just wanted him to be town", which tells me that she doesn't know, and I think her posting is overall decent in tone, though I obviously disagree with her direction.

So that's where I'm at now.

I am very much trying to squeeze meaning out of this game at this point.

I mean, we could just say that me and Moon are obv wolf because because and be like convinced of that and all sheep that, and I'm sure it would be wonderful.

And then I'm the one getting shit lol

[Dyslexicon]

Are you kidding me that one thing from Porscha is present across like 15 of your posts from 100-300 and it’s pretty self-evidently something that’s not AI. So yeah I think it’s both

Yeah I didn’t really like that dizzy/moon team theory until you started having moon as top town for a reason that I just don’t see even when I try to apply a different mindset

It is absolutely not. That is just a lie. Look in my ISO again. I just did.

You're acting like I made Porscha not voting me a huge thing and something I voted and wolf read her for. Which is absolutely not the case at all. So you need to go back and fix that.

I don't have Moon as a top town read btw. I have Mac and Porscha as my top town reads.
But look, people are all in on Moon/Dizzy team for exactly NO FUCKING REASON from where I'm standing. And since we are the top wagons and you even tried to close that off, I'm very worried that Moon is town. I think Moon is more likely to be town than wolf for what it's worth. If we're chopped, everyone will look terrible as fuck.

So if you did less of telling me what my thoughts are and more listening on what my actual thoughts are, I would appreciate it.

Also, I don't know what my thoughts are.

[Dyslexicon]

I realise this is probably unfair and I don't mean to shit on anyone, but I do feel like I'm playing this game pretty much by myself.

And that's of course very wolfy of me.

[Dyslexicon]

I want to vote HK now, and I don't have any explanation for this either.

Call it game state.

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

[Dolby]

I do like this double chop though. I've always liked that mechanic.

I vote we try to end the game on D1 and just win.
For the memes.
For the glory.

This is the first time I've played a game with it. My first thought was that it could be treated almost like a parity cop check, but I feel like just saying that out loud would discourage people from getting into conflicts and arguments. :<

tbh i don't understand this

Ender is the entire wolf team and has to be today's yeet

now that that's out of the way he cannot call me out for pocketing him when i pocket him later

I'm being pocketed by Dolby help.

panickakes

The best kind.

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

real talk what do you think about Dolby?

Pocketing me.

I do seriously think he's wolfing here. This reminds me more of how he wolfs Secret Hitler in terms of just owning things and trying to drive the thread to the direction he wants to get to. As far as his partner I don't actually think it's you. Possible it's dizzy but unlikely tbh

The dynamics of SH are way different than forum mafia, also i want a take on if me and Ender are partners. With that said, I haven't been driving the thread anywhere, and I can't counternance a take that any of my first page pushes could be read as serious

I can sheep Mac sure.

i kinda take issue with this, this is one of the few playerlists where wolf ender can just get away with this

but honestly yeah dizzy and moon were kinda weird p1 on a vibes level

I would like it known that I am not yet making a public read on Dizzy

So this is how you're going to do it, hm?

Can't get OUTED if you don't have an opinion, hmmm?

this is wolfy

unironically agree even though im not positive that rondo is serious. Dizzy recently porported to want to make the game less dead and solve and the whole sequence of posts from them around there is weak.

Also, as I'm sure you are all aware, if we mischop with both our chops today, tomorrow is Lylo! :wowee:

dizzy stop fake townslipping dammit

I do want to solve good this game.
Right now we are all cringing, including me.

Most interesting things that has happened so far:
I seriously thought Moon/Ender could be a team before Ender had posted haha.
Dolby triple posted.
Porscha wants me to be town.
Rondo is kind of town reading Ender.
Rondo clearly scum slipped in his percentages; the answer is clearly light blue.

I'm gonna need you to go over why you thought that about moon and ender? Porscha stuff means nothing. Rondo and Ender doesn't really mean anything bc they're connected and know each other or something like that

hell, I put my second vote on HK for fun (for now)

HK vote good.
Moonwink vote bad!

ok then vote hk?

Someone utter a read on me, one way or the other please.

Your bantering with Dolby last night seemed a little too over the top for me, which is why I kinda laughed when Mac brought up yours and my bantering. I think one or both of you could be scum?

this is fine tbh.

both of us scum would be kinda wild though

moon seems sufficiently perplexed to be town

don't really agree with this tbh but im struggling so far

Someone utter a read on me, one way or the other please.

u r town

I know.

But are you? Unsure.

How do I best read you?

tbh I have no idea. I'm solidly in "shitposting and throw things out at random and see what happens" and frankly half the time I say something it's because I want to say it, not necessarily because I believe it to be true.
Like I really do wolf read dolby for how he opened the game but I can't explain why I do or make any reasonable kind of push there, just a gnawing in my soul that says dolby isn't town.

I like your posting. maybe I'm wrong but I want you to be town. I want rondo to be town as well as their posting amuses me. On page 3 of the thread Moon felt sufficiently perplexed at what is going on in the thread that I want to town read them.

I town read Mac because I kinda just always do that, until I stop doing it.

this is a more reasonable take on me tbh. Like it's literally just "idk it's a gut feel" but i like it more than "Dolby is trying to drive the game as a wolf"

going to have to question what you like about Dizzy's posting and why Moonwink being perplexed makes them town? Haven't seen much to Wink's posting that feels.

FIRM townreads:
HK
MAC

LOOSE townreads:
Wiggon
Falc
Rondo

why is ender a townread for people he is not being pog town ender

@Dolby, talk to me about your heavy focus on Ender early game. Those posts felt kinda stilted to me.

my good friend Ender is the entire wolf team, and we must get out his partners

tbh moonwink asking for more votes is the towniest feel from them so far lol

I'd probably put Dolby below Mac in my reads for the heavy focus on Ender earlier. It didn't feel natural to me.

HK is on the same level as Mac -- nothing really jumped out as scummy to me, but I also don't feel like I've got much to read off of him just yet.

of course it's not natural lol, I was going to do it no matter what.

Porscha is under Rondo for the aforementioned stuff regarding the vote on me and the non-vote on Dizzy.

Falcon didn't vote for me. Don't have anything else on them. Probably between HK and Mac in my reads.

really not seeing why this is sus for Porscha here but eh I should ask them why they TR Dizzy.

Actually, reading back, Macs posts might be mildly towny for him.

Don't like this post this is literally telling wilgy what he wants to hear

I don't really have anything to say about Mac at the moment. I got the reaction that I thought I was going to get, but I don't think it's anything I can read into this early. Straight up null.

I've liked my interactions with Dizzy so far in spite of the read I gave out earlier? I'd probably put them higher in my reads list than Mac atm.

I guess let me ask you this, if you were reaction fishing, how do you get the reaction and then feel null.

There's gotta be somethin right?

in retrospect this was a towny wilgy post

Orange in order:
1. Does you not understanding it make it wolfy? Why/why not? Just saying you don't understand it reads like shade.
2. Why is that post wolfy for me? Why don't I post that as town? Yeah, the game was moving no where and I was getting really impatient with it. I think that's pretty obvious. I have stated that all my early takes has been weak because the content has been weak imo.
3. None of the takes/observations I had there really mean much. When I said "These are the most interesting things that has happened" I was also being facetious, because those things weren't actually very interesting at all. Getting something out of this game at that point was like squeezing water out of a rock. And now it's like squeezing water out of a slimy rock.
4. Already commented on this, but this is shady as fuck as well. I literally just reread Mac's posts and was pretty fine with them on reread. Why can't I do this as town? It's either bad conf bias or wolfy at worst.

I reread the game, since it doesn't take much.

I think Mac is town just from letting me know his takes are real and dipping, and his energy in the beginning.

I think Moon is town for having a constant town mindframe throughout. How he talks about people being town for not voting him and trying to direct others. I don't understand what's wolfy about them.

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I'm curious about how @MacDougall reads Wilgy.

I think Wilgy is mostly fine. Way more serious than a lot of the games I've seen him in. His reasoning for town reading HK is particularly weak. Seems to be because HK refused to answer a question, which I get the level 0 of wow so towny, but not for HK, he could of course do that as any alignment. His mentioning of Rondo stands out to me, so I'm having that as a possible connection in the back of my mind.

It seems like some people took like one post and read into it a connection between two people and just decided reads based on that. Which is silly.

Hollow seems ok and actually has some content. Probably nothing he couldn't do as wolf. Actually the "I'm not going to explain this" was weird and pointless. Like why. He has pocketed me before as a wolf. I don't really have a strong read there, but at least he's doing something.

@hollowkatt Why do you town read Rondo and Falcon?

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I'm quote unsure on Porscha, and I want her to come back. I don't know why she wants me to be town, as either alignments. I don't know why she would sheep Mac only on Moon and not me, if mafia, unless Moon is mafia as well, but that also doesn't make sense. But I might just be thinking too hard about it. Questionmark.

I probably don't really have a read on Rondo and I don't know what he thinks about anything.

The same goes for Falcon who hasn't done anything afaic.

Ender has posted, but I don't get any towniness from any of the posts.

Dolby has been put on irreverent and trolly. Said he would do something, and didn't. No read and nothing townie.

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So that is way fewer town reads than what I want here. And I really hope this game has more to offer when I wake up.

struggling to see your townread of Moonwink, or a consistent town mindframe. Granted Moonwink has followed your own read of Porscha wanting you to be town is weird but I don't believe that.

I think that Wilgy's reasoning to townread HK can easily come from town Wilgy

I like that you're seeing that Ender hasn't done anything towny

I didn't say it couldn't come from town Wilgy, I said that the reasoning was extremely weak imo.

but yeah questioning a half-sheep when the person being protected from being full shept was yourself (i.e. what dizzy is doing in scumreading Porscha) is whack

I didn't even wolf read Porscha. I was fine voting them when they had next to no content, because they were not in my weak town lean list. I have since changed my mind. I am not wolf reading them for wanting to town read me or half sheeping Mac and never have. If you and/or Porscha thinks that, you are mistaken.

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All of this feels extremely shady and like you don't at all want to see my perspective or see me as town. You're trying to take everything in the worst way.

And I think you're better than that.

So it's icky.

1. Not understanding doesn’t mean anything for Moon. I didn’t understand how it could be used as a parity check at the time. I think I do now and the post is fine

2. Eh I think posts that are like “guys we have to solve” that don’t have stuff around them tend to come from wolves more but this is far less true in the early game

3. Alright, cool

4. That is pretty exactly what I do as a wolf to pocket townies who I think would be sussceptible to me changing my reads to match there’s

Ok Wilgy stuff, I did feel like you were questioning his process and read when I felt that both were fine for him, that is why I pointed it out, thank you for clearing it up

Yeah there’s a reason why I’ve been mainly fixated on your read and vote on Porscha compared to me in that I feel like it is pretty clear that your vote on me is sparked by not having anywhere you thought was better to go. Whereas Porscha, I didn’t like how you and Moonwink interacted with and around them and their Moonwink vote

[Dolby]

Eh wrt to HK

I quite frankly do not like his take on me on p2 that I was trying to control the game when I feel like I was very visibly not doing that

I felt he was fine outside thst

I’ll reread him for posterity

[Dyslexicon]

1. Not understanding doesn’t mean anything for Moon. I didn’t understand how it could be used as a parity check at the time. I think I do now and the post is fine

2. Eh I think posts that are like “guys we have to solve” that don’t have stuff around them tend to come from wolves more but this is far less true in the early game

3. Alright, cool

4. That is pretty exactly what I do as a wolf to pocket townies who I think would be sussceptible to me changing my reads to match there’s

Ok Wilgy stuff, I did feel like you were questioning his process and read when I felt that both were fine for him, that is why I pointed it out, thank you for clearing it up

Yeah there’s a reason why I’ve been mainly fixated on your read and vote on Porscha compared to me in that I feel like it is pretty clear that your vote on me is sparked by not having anywhere you thought was better to go. Whereas Porscha, I didn’t like how you and Moonwink interacted with and around them and their Moonwink vote

1. Sure.

2. I'm fully saying "Guys, we do actually have to solve". In fact, I want to say it in a less nice way now. And I want to say that being convinced by a completely random solve which I know for a fact is wrong, and which I think (with my bias) is so obviously wrong, is not the solving I'm looking for. This game is like pulling teeth. And then you pull one and it's all rotten.

4. Sure. I feel like's kind of brazen. Maybe Moon is a wolf. I do not know, and I wish for a lot more content from them as well.

If you seriously think that I have been fixating on Porscha and using that to wolf read her, you are simply mistaken and not reading my posts well enough. Or you're mixing me up with Moon. In fact, when I was ruminating about it loudly, I started talking myself into a town read on her, because it doesn't really make sense to be all "Yeah, but not Dizzy" as wolf.

Both my vote on you and Porscha was because I didn't know where to vote, and why not you two, and I just placed it somewhere.

[Dyslexicon]

Eh wrt to HK

I quite frankly do not like his take on me on p2 that I was trying to control the game when I feel like I was very visibly not doing that

I felt he was fine outside thst

I’ll reread him for posterity

*Warning, warning, Dizzy is no ruminating and stretching because of lack of content in the game*

I feel like his "No, I'm not going to explain" was a bit of random posturing. Like playing tough guy. (Lol, I wrote tough gay first haha). It's pointless beyond trying to collect the exact town reads Wilgy gave him. But then, maybe he just likes doing that or think it's valuable as town for some reason. It read deliberate, but I don't see the town angle, is what I'm saying.

His town read on me. Meh. He fully pockets me as wolf. I was thinking about the fact that both HK and Ender who are dubbed the Dizzy readers disagree in their reads. I don't think it's very meaningful tbh. They both have also said they're unsure.

I'm not really wolf reading HK, but I'm voting there anyway. Low impact and nobody cares about him. Seems like a chance of a hit, but I don't know.

[Dolby]

Tbh I think he just likes doing that

[Dolby]

The main thing that I liked about HK was him flipping on Moonwink bc he’s didn’t like their her null read on Mac, even though I don’t like his initial “perplexed town” take. Actually I’d say that HK and Porscha aren’t w/w for Porscha using that exact reasoning.

[Dyslexicon]

Tbh I think he just likes doing that

Well, yeah. Which is the problem I guess.

See, I think I'm playing a mafia game. I want to solve this shit. I think town with this player list and this setup could in fact solve the game. But I feel like most of the players are barely playing.

And I feel like woe is me and pouty when I'm the one who's getting shit for actually trying.

But that is how mafia works, I guess. Which is why mafia is a seeeelly game.

[Dolby]

props:
wiggles
wiggin
falcon
mac
rondo
dizzy

slops:
dolby
moon
porscha
Candice

least confident in wiggin in my props and porscha in my slops. I'm just not ready to commit to the team being dolby/moon

Actually have to ask why everyone ended up in props

[hollowkatt]

I reread the game, since it doesn't take much.

I think Mac is town just from letting me know his takes are real and dipping, and his energy in the beginning.

I think Moon is town for having a constant town mindframe throughout. How he talks about people being town for not voting him and trying to direct others. I don't understand what's wolfy about them.

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I'm curious about how @MacDougall reads Wilgy.

I think Wilgy is mostly fine. Way more serious than a lot of the games I've seen him in. His reasoning for town reading HK is particularly weak. Seems to be because HK refused to answer a question, which I get the level 0 of wow so towny, but not for HK, he could of course do that as any alignment. His mentioning of Rondo stands out to me, so I'm having that as a possible connection in the back of my mind.

It seems like some people took like one post and read into it a connection between two people and just decided reads based on that. Which is silly.

Hollow seems ok and actually has some content. Probably nothing he couldn't do as wolf. Actually the "I'm not going to explain this" was weird and pointless. Like why. He has pocketed me before as a wolf. I don't really have a strong read there, but at least he's doing something.

@hollowkatt Why do you town read Rondo and Falcon?

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I'm quote unsure on Porscha, and I want her to come back. I don't know why she wants me to be town, as either alignments. I don't know why she would sheep Mac only on Moon and not me, if mafia, unless Moon is mafia as well, but that also doesn't make sense. But I might just be thinking too hard about it. Questionmark.

I probably don't really have a read on Rondo and I don't know what he thinks about anything.

The same goes for Falcon who hasn't done anything afaic.

Ender has posted, but I don't get any towniness from any of the posts.

Dolby has been put on irreverent and trolly. Said he would do something, and didn't. No read and nothing townie.

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So that is way fewer town reads than what I want here. And I really hope this game has more to offer when I wake up.

@Dyslexicon Rondo I thought was posting well on page 2 of the game. Freeflowing, relaxed, did not appear to be working to establish themselves in the thread.
Falcon I dunno I just want to call him town.

[Dyslexicon]

The main thing that I liked about HK was him flipping on Moonwink bc he’s didn’t like their her null read on Mac, even though I don’t like his initial “perplexed town” take. Actually I’d say that HK and Porscha aren’t w/w for Porscha using that exact reasoning.

I also don't know what made Moon perplexed and thus town.

And I never understood what was wrong with Moon's null read on Mac to begin with. Like, why is that wolfy? I was feeling much the same way about Mac voting us. That it felt pretty random.

Actually, maybe I do think HK is wolf.

[hollowkatt]

porscha stocks climbing from page 5 posts, liking their push on moon

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon Rondo I thought was posting well on page 2 of the game. Freeflowing, relaxed, did not appear to be working to establish themselves in the thread.
Falcon I dunno I just want to call him town.

I can see that for Rondo. I don't think that is AI for him though.

[Dolby]

Nah Moons null read was whack. I think I could accept something like “scum are exploiting macs reputation to drive misyeets onto myself and Dizzy” but you have to provide a take on the guy who at that point I think was visibly death tunneling (the visibly part comes from the fact that he didn’t care to rescind)

I have to leave now

[Dyslexicon]

I really hope @MacDougall gets to be here before the day is over. I really want your opinion on Wilgy in particular, Mac. And like everything.

[Dolby]

HK am I town yet

[Dolby]

Ender is the person I’m scared of being overlooksed

[Dyslexicon]

Nah Moons null read was whack. I think I could accept something like “scum are exploiting macs reputation to drive misyeets onto myself and Dizzy” but you have to provide a take on the guy who at that point I think was visibly death tunneling (the visibly part comes from the fact that he didn’t care to rescind)

I have to leave now

No. You're doing it again. It's like you're amping up what's happening in thread a 1000 %. Mac was not visibly death tunnelling from where I stood. Mac was basically RVS-ing. The take seems completely random. It was a starting point, and sure, he probably thought that and maybe he will think it still cause now he's invested and he wants to be Mac and all. But it looked way more like a reaction test kind of take or starting point than any actual tunnelling. It was literally page 2. You can't call something on page 2 and dipping to do nothing a death tunnel. That's bonkers.

So it's not at all whack to read Mac null, because you don't know where he'll go yet. I actually think it's more towny to not be like "haha, Mac is town"/"omg u suck" or whatever. But just "Oh lol. Classic Mac coming in saying all kinds of shit. Don't know what to do with that yet." I felt the same way.

Mac's reputation is also hit and miss tbh. But he is a good player, which is why he should be here and actually play the game.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm debating whether Dolby's reasoning and takes are so whack they are town or not.
For real. I. Do. Not. Understand.

- I have not been fixating on Porscha. You lying about this doesn't change it. You can just check it.
- Mac is not death tunnelling. Mac has barely played the game.

[Dyslexicon]

It seems to me like Dolby is reading everything as if it is fire.
And I've been reading things like it's barely a spark.

It's weird.