Vibes.
Can probably explain it better later.
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The first part about you copying the phrase no.Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:37 pmI actually copied the "tbh lol" from Cape's post, but the reasoning is that it looked like the post Cape (he?) made was mildly defensive in response to Alison with that phrase added on.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:53 pmIt's mainly the "tbh lol" following his Cape vote. It's clearly referencing some thought-process of his that he's hasn't put in the thread yet (which is Rand V in my head)
Is that what you thought I was talking about?
I'm far from a Cape expert, only played 2 completed games with him, but the games were very focused around him so I still have thoughts. In the 1st game he was woofing and was under suspicion for like 3 days in a row, got wagoned but kept putting in a lot of effort and long posts and barely stayed alive. But notably those posts felt very emotionally uninvested and filled with a very high % of commentary.Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:39 pmHow does Cape normally play? I think I've played in a hydra with him but tbh I didn't pay attention to that gameShending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:21 pmDoes it?
in the 2 games we've played together (FAM and the lightgame) it hasn't felt like you're one of the players who thrive of getting pushed and read people based on their handling of you. So... I'm not sure I believe this? Wanna talk about your mindset here?
I would've probably made sure to grab the most OP pr's or mechanics as my first pick as both scum or town captain (if that's possible. I can't really tell from the wording in the draft description)Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:49 pmI'd pick you if i was the mafia drafter, then again I'm not the drafter.NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:29 pm This is a draft game? Lime Coke drafted mafia team...
Well, I'm confirmed town.
1) Lime Coke hates me and would never subject himself to being in a chat with me
2) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at mafia
3) Lime Coke thinks I'm bad at town
Gym class is easy. I won't post again today, but I'll vote someone later. If I ever die during the day this game, I take no responsibility for it because you should all know better, and those who don't should inform themselves. It's not just like "Lime Coke slightly dislikes this guy"... It's bad.
That would be a good exercise imo. Who would everyone pick first as a team captain here? I'd pick dunia.
This is a non-lvl-0 thought process that I can see HK believing. Good look imohollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:51 pmIf Wigly is a wolf and not paired with Alison and/or Marmot that post says "hey, maybe we (alison and/or marmot) should dig deeper into wigly" and I don't think he's the kind of player who wants to draw that kind of attention.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:33 pmMy reason for very lightly V leaning him is that 2nd post too. Why did you like the 1st one?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:10 pmDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:24 am Pleasure to meet you new friends.
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.
I used to claim doctor d1 every game, but have become old and grumpy in my recent age. Have been playing since 2013. Exclusively on the Syndicate since about 2015?
I may be wrong on this assumption, but out of this player cast, Alison and Marmot may have the best capacity and track record for reading me. Though, that may be them getting lucky tossing darts, as many others seem to have inconsistency on determining both my scum and town range.I like both of these posts. I don't find Wigly being quite this confident in a read this early in a game when he's a wolf
Hmm.Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:16 am
Shending_help:
I really like their tone in this opening posts. Feels very nature and genuine.
I have play a bunch of turbo games with Swede here. When they are wolf they have difficulties articulating reads and feel very stiff and safe. When town they are very brazen and loud with their reads. What I mean is they don't mind dropping controversial takes when town. This post below is very much in their town meta range:Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:52 pm Yeah i mean, vibing is what we need rn to get things rolling, hard to go tryhard mode with 50 posts in the thread
And to your response... *fair enough*
Anyway I like this post, very much shows Swede being comfortable, showing progression in their thoughts.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:09 pm My spiciest read is that Sean might be TWTBAW
literally just posting "first" and nothing else, and then later popping in with "yeah i can get behind this *votes HK*"
It's far from a solid read, but i kinda believe he'd post *something* else in either of his pop-ins if woofing
The last bit about about guessing how many mafia there is feels like a town slip. Yes I think all town slips are fake but this kinda feels real.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:36 pm I don't have any hard input on what exact players Limecoke/Brad would pick as mafia or not.
But i do have thoughts.
To balance a game like this the PRs / Mechanics that Lime has available to him must be EXTREMELY strong/interesting. Otherwise there would be no point in picking them over actual extra players in the mafia team. Therefore I strongly believe Limecoke couldn't resist picking at least 2+ of those PR / mechanics that he found the most alure towards, to see how they played out while he's speccing the game.
If he was gonna play too? Then i could see him just picking the max amount of players if he thought that was +EV, but as a spec? It sounds much more interesting to see if the OP mechanics you picked could work out towards a win than if a huge scumteam could pull it through.
TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh
All the praise about Swede kinda gone with this post. I feel like as soon as she faced someone familar push back on them their tone got way more stiff. I dunno feels very uncomfortable to me.
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:36 pmWith all the hype (!!!) I can't decipher if you're joking or not, but maybe thats by designWisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:24 pmYou are also a wolf and this is a pocket attempt!!!Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:06 pm Think wisdoms read on HK is villagery. Both the part about HKs treatment of Axe and the analysis of what t!HK would've done
But...
No I swear I'm not!!!
It felt like he mainly just ignored it while simultaneously posting iso's until ppl went elsewhere (I was highly responsible for that in thta game, I cfd'd away from him like 2 times that game)
Outted!!!Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:15 am I have no idea how that wolf emote appeared in my post, I'm scared
Wigly: it was his going-hard post on HK that I liked. Felt slightly more likely to be a V trying to Kickstart the game going than a wolf doing something.Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:24 amWhy am I and Wilgy "slightly above rand"? Neither of us have done anything much.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:58 pmi'm getting the weakest of townleans from this post
So
N0: SpaceDaisy
Slight V: Marmot
Sliiightly above rand: Wigly, Alison
I don't see a problem with this progression. I read Sabi's post as: "When Shending is town they have good tone, when they are wolf they have bad tone. Their tone is good at first, but then they have a post with really bad tone and now I no longer townread them". That doesn't seem like a particularly unnatural thought process.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am I havent actually played a normal non-turbo game with Sabi before so, I'd like some input from others on this progression on me.
Thanks. I'll take that into consideration.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:14 amIt felt like he mainly just ignored it while simultaneously posting iso's until ppl went elsewhere (I was highly responsible for that in thta game, I cfd'd away from him like 2 times that game)
In the town game he was also under pressure a lot. And while he didn't constantly meet it head-on always, that happened more often from what I recall compared to the wolfgame. And he gave off more of a "lol ur wrong" feeling and just moved onto his own reads
I found it difficult to believe you genuinely suspect me for forcing thin reads early on, since I have done so (in a way that you would find pretty memorable) in a previous shared game, and have also discussed my early D1 philosophy with you. So I voted you.
I'm not going to get into it for threadhealth reasons, but I stand by my initial claim.
Your initial vote on Cape and your follow up. You never explained why you were voting, and the "Why did you think emotes was the reason for the vote?" just really feels a lot more like a question for the sake of a question rather than you really digging at anything (can you give an example of an AI answer to that question?). Now, you've seemed to indirectly claim that this was just a vote to get the game going, which is fine in it's own right, but IME, people who do that are almost always strongly overstating a real (but weak) thought, rather than just making suspicion completely up, so a lack of explanation for the vote is concerning. Why did you vote Cape?
I am of the opposite opinion. While I agree it is towny to actually forget about the game, I think it is probably very slightly >rand!wolf to TALK about forgetting about the game (I know I've definitely claimed I "forgot" about a game as scum, when in reality I am actually just overly-concious of the fact that I didn't post early in the game, whereas if I was town and late, I'd just dive in without feeling like my absence needed to be excused [unless the absence was remarkably long, but that is not the case here])
I kind of hope the town drafter did not choose people. IME hand-picked scum teams are easier to catch than randomized ones, and the town drafter picking townies gets in the way of this. Unfortunately, I do not really understand Rondo very well, so I don't know what to expect from them. LC though I kind of think he'd use a straightforward with the possibility of one or maybe two wildcards, but I don't think I'd try to guess who the wildcards are, as that seems like a dubious exercise (I am offhandedly accusing you of having an agenda in this post btw).Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 5:56 am If I was the town drafter, I'd just focus on drafting good solvers that can clear themselves easily. dunia, dyachei, Seanzie.
If I was the mafia drafter, I'd flip a coin. If it lands on heads I just make a list of who I think is best at wolfing in this game in order, and then draft down the list. If it lands on tails I'd draft one strong player (probably dunia, or dyachei if dunia is taken) and then fill the rest with players that either tend to be quieter presences (Wilgy, Spacedaisy) or players that most people wouldn't expect me to draft either because I haven't gotten along with them in the past or because I don't know them (Axe, Cape, Shending).
Am I correct in assuming SS is Shending?
I answer both of your questions in #133. To reiterate: I thought his reference to mafia waking up was a lame attempt to be all "hello fellow townies, this sure is a townie thread, the mafia probably hasn't woken up, amiright?" So I voted him. It's a thin read, but more than enough for page 1.Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:40 am Your initial vote on Cape and your follow up. You never explained why you were voting, and the "Why did you think emotes was the reason for the vote?" just really feels a lot more like a question for the sake of a question rather than you really digging at anything (can you give an example of an AI answer to that question?). Now, you've seemed to indirectly claim that this was just a vote to get the game going, which is fine in it's own right, but IME, people who do that are almost always strongly overstating a real (but weak) thought, rather than just making suspicion completely up, so a lack of explanation for the vote is concerning. Why did you vote Cape?
I struggle to shorten everything positive Sabi said about me down to "their tone is good at first", which is where my problem originates from.Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:54 amI don't see a problem with this progression. I read Sabi's post as: "When Shending is town they have good tone, when they are wolf they have bad tone. Their tone is good at first, but then they have a post with really bad tone and now I no longer townread them". That doesn't seem like a particularly unnatural thought process.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am I havent actually played a normal non-turbo game with Sabi before so, I'd like some input from others on this progression on me.
Leaning V currently, mostly from gut
I mean, I wolf read you before you started posting so you could really brush off any other arguments as "confbiasing" and you wouldn't be too far off.Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:00 amI found it difficult to believe you genuinely suspect me for forcing thin reads early on, since I have done so (in a way that you would find pretty memorable) in a previous shared game, and have also discussed my early D1 philosophy with you. So I voted you.
When I pressed you about this, you admitted the reasoning was shaky, but held the scumread on the basis of "vibes". I think that reeks of wanting to find a pretext to maintain an inauthentic scumread when you are challenged on it.
@dyaWisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:00 pm From a non Wolf Captain PoV I still think Alison is wolfing. Probably HK as well. And NAX is likely town.
I think Alison's reads is forced and being reads for the sake of having reads.
HK saying NAX is a bit sus also feels like being edgy for the sake of being edgy. Town!HK would probably just call me a wolf and go to bed.
And I trust NAX to be town for the time being. Not locked, but for now.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
I'm not the best reader of sabi so holding off there for now. HK i usually get better at reading as time goes on. Same with alisonShending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:34 am So Axe V lean, me V lean, wisdom W lean
Is that all you have so far dya?
No thoughts at all bout Sabi / HK / Sean / Alison?
My experience with Wilgy is that he is quite willing to do random WIFOM things that draw attention, positive or negative.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:51 pmIf Wigly is a wolf and not paired with Alison and/or Marmot that post says "hey, maybe we (alison and/or marmot) should dig deeper into wigly" and I don't think he's the kind of player who wants to draw that kind of attention.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:33 pmMy reason for very lightly V leaning him is that 2nd post too. Why did you like the 1st one?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:10 pmDrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:24 am Pleasure to meet you new friends.
Allow me to introduce myself. My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.
I used to claim doctor d1 every game, but have become old and grumpy in my recent age. Have been playing since 2013. Exclusively on the Syndicate since about 2015?
I may be wrong on this assumption, but out of this player cast, Alison and Marmot may have the best capacity and track record for reading me. Though, that may be them getting lucky tossing darts, as many others seem to have inconsistency on determining both my scum and town range.I like both of these posts. I don't find Wigly being quite this confident in a read this early in a game when he's a wolf
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:06 amoh right that is something i would sayMarmot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 10:37 pmI actually copied the "tbh lol" from Cape's post, but the reasoning is that it looked like the post Cape (he?) made was mildly defensive in response to Alison with that phrase added on.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 12:53 pmIt's mainly the "tbh lol" following his Cape vote. It's clearly referencing some thought-process of his that he's hasn't put in the thread yet (which is Rand V in my head)
Is that what you thought I was talking about?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
I say we wagon you.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:50 am Hey hey it’s Cape, Sabi and Wisdom. And Dunya, who I rarely get to play with any more.
Tbh, it’s my little sister’s birthday today so I’m not gonna be around a ton but I’ll at least look at all the posts voting for top/topish wagons and make an educated vote.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:39 am Hee ho I was gonna deep myself clear but then I read the second post
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
this post very v
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.