Gym Class Mafia D7

#1451

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:02 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:53 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:52 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:34 am SD is talking like Bussing 1 teammate early in a game with 6 maf is something completely unreasonable, and trying to push that vote cred to the #Max, which is how Bussing wolves tend to act after bussing.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 pm You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.
If I had to choose a wolf here just based off these 2 messages in isolation, it would be Spacedaisy based on what they said in the bolded
To me the bolded kinda reeks of this wolfy looking opportunism
Or what you are seeing there is sincere frustration and knee jerk reaction to a vote that looks extremely bad to this townie. And the fact that the numbers and possible scenario has been laid out and Shen didn’t change their vote to sleep looks just as bad to me. But if you read on, you can clearly see that even though this vote looks like a very anti-town move, I am still looking for info and want to be open to being wrong here. But if I’m frank, Shen has made me really feel like they are wolf.

I think we should see what Wilgy does here and judge from there, because that should tell us something as well.

I agree it's anti-town yes, but that's not what you said, you said then Shen is absolutely the last wolf and that he almost convinced you it was Wigly. To me that second part looks like kinda hedgy

#1452

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pm Look at what I’m saying and doing here (take away you interpretation of “tone”) and look at what Shen is saying and doing. Which of us is acting like a civ in a F4 situation?

To be honest, I really don't know, literally both of you have townpoints and things I would detract from you both. I think Shen has technically more townpoints, but voting you here instead of sleeping is not great to say the least

#1453

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:31 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:02 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:53 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:52 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:34 am SD is talking like Bussing 1 teammate early in a game with 6 maf is something completely unreasonable, and trying to push that vote cred to the #Max, which is how Bussing wolves tend to act after bussing.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 pm You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.
If I had to choose a wolf here just based off these 2 messages in isolation, it would be Spacedaisy based on what they said in the bolded
To me the bolded kinda reeks of this wolfy looking opportunism
Or what you are seeing there is sincere frustration and knee jerk reaction to a vote that looks extremely bad to this townie. And the fact that the numbers and possible scenario has been laid out and Shen didn’t change their vote to sleep looks just as bad to me. But if you read on, you can clearly see that even though this vote looks like a very anti-town move, I am still looking for info and want to be open to being wrong here. But if I’m frank, Shen has made me really feel like they are wolf.

I think we should see what Wilgy does here and judge from there, because that should tell us something as well.
I agree it's anti-town yes, but that's not what you said, you said then Shen is absolutely the last wolf and that he almost convinced you it was Wigly. To me that second part looks like kinda hedgy

Again that’s your bias reading it that way. That was legitimate shock. I really was believing that maybe it was Wilgy at the end of the last day phase. You can interpret it as heavy but it wasn’t anything but sincerely my process as I’m trying to sort what I believe about people.

#1454

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:33 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pm Look at what I’m saying and doing here (take away you interpretation of “tone”) and look at what Shen is saying and doing. Which of us is acting like a civ in a F4 situation?
To be honest, I really don't know, literally both of you have townpoints and things I would detract from you both. I think Shen has technically more townpoints, but voting you here instead of sleeping is not great to say the least

Shen has more tow points because Shen has not been absent. There is very little I have actually done that is actively wolfy and I think you should consider that instead of comparing our volume of points here.

#1455

Question: is the wolf even allowed to no-kill? In IRL mafia that's never been allowed since then town and wolves could both get into a spot where making a kill (in day and night) would go against their wincon

#1456

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:06 pm Question: is the wolf even allowed to no-kill? In IRL mafia that's never been allowed since then town and wolves could both get into a spot where making a kill (in day and night) would go against their wincon

was hoping someone would answer this by now because I have no idea

#1457

If we can choose to sleep I’d think they could choose to holster their kill, but I don’t really know that for sure. It’s the kind of thing that sort of varies from game to game and the host can decide.

#1458

I went to bed at like 5am, so I am too tired to be awake. Good chance poll will be closed by the time I wake up, so this is me signing out and hoping the other civs do the right thing and vote sleep. Later, folks.

#1459

Thread locked, no more posting

#1460

Spacedaisy (1): Shending_Help
Sleep (2): Cape90, Spacedaisy
Not Voting (1): DrWilgy

Nobody dies today, night actions due by August 1st, 12pm edt. Day starts within an hour after that.

Spoiler: show

#1461

@DrWilgy has died! They flip town, Odd Night Jailkeeper

Today is F3, votes are not locked, hammer is 2, eod is August 3, 2pm eastern

Spoiler: show

#1462

So wilgy’s claim confirmed. That means either Cape is wolf or the wolf targeted Cape, which is what I really expected to happen. So yeah. Plus Cape could have moved the vote to me yesterday but they didn't. The only answer here is Shen is the last wolf.

[VOTE: Shen] aubergine

#1463

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:33 pm So wilgy’s claim confirmed. That means either Cape is wolf or the wolf targeted Cape, which is what I really expected to happen. So yeah. Plus Cape could have moved the vote to me yesterday but they didn't. The only answer here is Shen is the last wolf.

[VOTE: Shen] aubergine

thanks

[VOTE: shending_help] aubergine

GG

#1464

dang. gg cape

i was gonna re-check my reasons to townread you tomorrow, but i'd probably not get there either

#1465

this game was far longer than anything i've ever played. im glad its over tbh

#1466

::sigh:: I hate being in f3 so much. There was no reason not to vote me yesterday Cape, that just feels like torture.

I'm sorry Shen.

#1467

You don't have to be sorry, it happens, i misread 2 wolves too. I do think there were a lot of solid reasons to read me town, but I thought the same was true for Cape so lol-me

#1468

I think town did rly well to even get to f3 in a game with 6 wolves. That's a challenge

#1469

@Seanzie
@Wisdom

i rly wanted to bring it home for you guys, but Cape fooled me good

#1470

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:02 pm You don't have to be sorry, it happens, i misread 2 wolves too. I do think there were a lot of solid reasons to read me town, but I thought the same was true for Cape so lol-me

There absolutely were a lot of reasons to read you town. It's why I wavered. I initially thought no kill pointed most to Cape until Wilgy's claim. I fully expected that the best kill for Wilgy or you if you were wolf would have been Cape and if Cape had been alive, I would have known immediately that Cape was the last wolf. So honestly, I think Wilgy's block hurt us more than helped us. but how could he know that?

#1471

Then once he claimed, there was reason for him to be killed instead of Cape. So it muddied the water for me too much.

#1472

Frankly, I was just exhausted from fighting so hard here at the end, and when Wilgy was killed and Cape hadn't just voted me yesterday and ended it, I thought for sure the only possibility was you. So I just wanted to be done. I should have waited it out, I know.

#1473

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:10 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:02 pm You don't have to be sorry, it happens, i misread 2 wolves too. I do think there were a lot of solid reasons to read me town, but I thought the same was true for Cape so lol-me
There absolutely were a lot of reasons to read you town. It's why I wavered. I initially thought no kill pointed most to Cape until Wilgy's claim. I fully expected that the best kill for Wilgy or you if you were wolf would have been Cape and if Cape had been alive, I would have known immediately that Cape was the last wolf. So honestly, I think Wilgy's block hurt us more than helped us. but how could he know that?

that's kinda funny actually

#1474

@Cape90 who did u put KP on the night that happened?

#1475

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:13 pm Frankly, I was just exhausted from fighting so hard here at the end, and when Wilgy was killed and Cape hadn't just voted me yesterday and ended it, I thought for sure the only possibility was you. So I just wanted to be done. I should have waited it out, I know.

nah it's all good. I felt the *want* to snapvote you too

#1476

GG, mafia team wins

Will post all the chats and info stuff later

@ Alison
@ Cape90
@ DrWilgy
@ dunya
@ dyachei
@ falcon45ca
@ hollowkatt
@ Jackofhearts2005
@ Marmot
@ NotAnAxehole
@ sabiplz
@ Seanzie
@ Shending_Help
@ Spacedaisy
@ Wisdom
@ dolby

#1477

Wp everyone! We killed wolves 5 days in a row, whereas had I shot a townie instead of Alison we would have instantly lost!

Daisy and Shen, don't worry about it, it was a tough position in the end.

Cape, good job pulling through!

#1478

Ty for hosting NANOOK ! Had fun!

#1479

considering the jack kill was wolf KP too, in reality we only misyeeted 2 people this game. Sabi d2 and me in f3. wow

and every townie that used their ITA (minus sean onto Jack) was on wolves too

it's bittersweet but ngl, I'm rly proud of our overall performance here

#1480

Whoever said starting in F15 is wolfsided has apparently never played a Nanook draft game.

:P

But seriously, this was actually a lot of fun, and having so many wolves kind of made hunting fun. Like, chance of success in a given wolf read was pretty high!

#1481

Spec and drafter chat: https://discord.gg/KxBDFTKJNn
Scum chat: https://discord.gg/wVH4DgZhbn
Dolby and daisy's chat: https://discord.gg/7zH9p2whnA

#1482

There were mistakes made in design, but thankfully it didn't torpedo the game. Very well played, GGs, hope everyone had fun!

#1483

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:00 pm ::sigh:: I hate being in f3 so much. There was no reason not to vote me yesterday Cape, that just feels like torture.

I'm sorry Shen.

im sorry I was asleep at EOD and you are right and I realized that the night after in mafia chat

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:15 pm @Cape90 who did u put KP on the night that happened?

You lol.

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GG, had fun, I gamed, also sorry for not ending game sooner like I could have, I realized that. I also was gonna use it for towncred but i guess didn't have too.

. Thought EOD that day was later

#1484

goddamnit

#1485

hindsight is 20/20, but i think it'd make the most sense to jail one of me/SD right? Since everyone in the game was clearing Cape, Cape was probably either dying or a wolf. So if you had jailed me or SD and Cape still dies, it's confirmed who the wolf is.

maybe my logic is faulty somewhere, but i feel like targetting Cape prevents a kill for sure, but gives 0 info

#1486

Seriously well played Cape. I hadn't totally ruled you out until that kill block claim. You had me fooled though. gg

#1487

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:59 pm hindsight is 20/20, but i think it'd make the most sense to jail one of me/SD right? Since everyone in the game was clearing Cape, Cape was probably either dying or a wolf. So if you had jailed me or SD and Cape still dies, it's confirmed who the wolf is.

maybe my logic is faulty somewhere, but i feel like targetting Cape prevents a kill for sure, but gives 0 info

He was probably trying to protect Cape

#1488

I'm totally fine with the design overall. Sure, it's hard for town, but as long as town knows it could be 6 wolves and it's hard-mode, I think all is fair.

the only thing I think was pretty 'uh' was the sub-out mechanic. I don't think that's fun for anyone involved

#1489

I mean, best thing to do would have been to maybe jail me. I was the one who was least likely to be killed so if that stopped the kill it would have made me look definitively like the wolf and if it didn't, then it would clear me, but there is no way for Wilgy to know he would still be alive to say that.

#1490

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:00 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:59 pm hindsight is 20/20, but i think it'd make the most sense to jail one of me/SD right? Since everyone in the game was clearing Cape, Cape was probably either dying or a wolf. So if you had jailed me or SD and Cape still dies, it's confirmed who the wolf is.

maybe my logic is faulty somewhere, but i feel like targetting Cape prevents a kill for sure, but gives 0 info
He was probably trying to protect Cape

yeah i realize that, but my point is that it gives 0 info even if Cape was town and protected here

#1491

Oh, what the heck was that sub out thing?

#1492

But again, i'm not very good when it comes to role usage, so maybe my logic is just off

#1493

No, I think your logic was sound there. It probably would have been better used on me.

#1494

^^^^^During the night you can replace one player (of the alignment you drafted OR who has fewer than 10 posts per day) with another player (i will provide this player, don't talk about this publicly). They will play the following day, then be replaced by the original player the following night (example: brad drafts this ability and uses it on me n2. Mac subs in and plays d3. I sub back in on n3 (announced at sod4), and mac leaves the game).

#1495

It should've been capped at 5 players max. Maybe at 4, honestly. 6 was just...too many. It worked out, but it was not sound design.

The sub out mechanic probably should've been assigned n0 like the rest and the player it was assigned to made aware of it, getting force subbed without knowing its coming is kinda eh

#1496

Don't know where that was, I haven't looked at everything since the game ended. But thanks. I dunno, it was a weird thing, lol

#1497

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:03 pm No, I think your logic was sound there. It probably would have been better used on me.

I was not going to use it as I was pretty sure it'd just decline us data.

Then I remembered that this game was difficulty lv 10 and Marmot had a day vig.

In that fear, I figured maybe there'd be no next day and I should use it or lose it.

#1498

I wouldn't have wanted to be in your position Wilgy, lol. I don't fault you. It's only a hindsight conversation really.

Were you doing it to protect Cape?

#1499

I obviously have no right to say what someone else should do when my snap vote lost us the game.

#1500

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:31 pm I obviously have no right to say what someone else should do when my snap vote lost us the game.

i mean, considering Cape could've won the game the previous day from just swapping to you, it was I who rly made the game-losing vote. What you did was more similar to cross-voting in limlo

Hammer is 2