ASMRfia [END]

[Achromatic]

Pretty well. Thinking over the game as I stare at my ceiling in bed. A favorite past time of mine.

I'm currently playing codenames and reading over this game in between turns

I have never played. Do you have any questions for me as I ponder things?

[Sabiplz]

Pretty well. Thinking over the game as I stare at my ceiling in bed. A favorite past time of mine.

I'm currently playing codenames and reading over this game in between turns

I have never played. Do you have any questions for me as I ponder things?

What is your take on Dyslexicon automatically giving me a obv town read and has been paying attention to me?

[Sabiplz]

I can't ask you conflict questions because you were in those conflicts lol

[Achromatic]

Pretty well. Thinking over the game as I stare at my ceiling in bed. A favorite past time of mine.

I'm currently playing codenames and reading over this game in between turns

I have never played. Do you have any questions for me as I ponder things?

What is your take on Dyslexicon automatically giving me a obv town read and has been paying attention to me?

I am not sure of your history with them but I haven't found you obvious myself. I have found you to be ok and nothing lately has screamed at me but to call you obvious feels premature unless they have a history of soul reading you as town.

I am currently trying to parse my feelings towards dizzy as it relates to their handling of Mac.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Tommy, Rondo, Flanders, Vivax ... all viable mischops... I don't need to be directing negative energy towards someone who is shielding me if I am mafia

you're tunneling me and it's annoying, if you aren't going to accept my arguments at face value then we're going to go nowhere productive

I dunno I feel like I am pretty slippery lately

[Achromatic]

So I have a few issues currently. I feel as if the thread as a whole has a lot of focus on Tommy and none on axe which I find interesting given the state of both of their isos. If everyone was in the mood to chop someone who hasn't contributed much and each had several votes this would be one thing but the fact one has gotten so much focus over the other makes me feel as if it has scum motivation behind it somewhere. Sure I would love if everyone contributed day one, but what is most important is trying to not cede mislynches to scum.

Secondly in regards to Mac two things are making me think a lot. The first is saying I have an OMGUS problem while we were just talking about a post where I largely town read everyone who has voiced shade on me this game with the now only exception being Mac. It makes me wonder if them coming in saying I was scum was part of a plan if they are scum. If you come in saying I am scum then really if at any point I start to become wary of you all you need to do is go 'omgus' and it puts me at a disadvantage. I am having trouble seeing town Mac actually thinking I have omgus problems given 1) my player history and 2) my reads this game writ large. It feels very off to me.

Secondly their handling of seanzie is needlessly aggressive. I feel like they were trying to isolate them by saying no one else suspected Mac and that they just needed to stop. Seanzie isn't rven voting for max though so this comes off as utterly needless and a waste of thread space that could be better spent solving. It's at minimum a member of town being anti town and should honestly be rectified if Mac is indeed town.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I haven't really liked the thread state around Tommy tbh. It's like, people were accusing him of being frozen for being gone like seven hours lol. It felt very iffy and there really seems to be this group think. Like, it's pretty much always wolf siding to an incredible degree.

If tommy is town: well obviously this is bad
if tommy is wolf: then when they 'settle in' to FM they should still have a lot of tells over time, right? Like, no matter how intelligent you are or gifted at discord mafia if you roll wolf your first time it is going to show. He wants some data to feed him, I don't mind holding off and seeing what he can produce. His content so far has been 'not good' but I think people leaping to make it alignment dependent feel craven tbh

I disagree, if you are good at one form of mafia, forum wolfing is just as easy as your regular form of wolfing. New people shouldnt get a pass because they are new if they have 2+ years experience

That said I am still catching up so maybe Tommy has redeemed themselves

If this is actually true then why isn't Tommy simply in their regular meta?

I change up my meta often, this means nothing to me. All that matters is the game right now. He is anti-town at best I am not lending my vote there in the hopes he comes out swinging but that doesnt mean I Will shield him, especially when Lucy wont

[MacDougall]

I have no idea what your reads on other people are. I am entirely self centred.

[Achromatic]

I haven't really liked the thread state around Tommy tbh. It's like, people were accusing him of being frozen for being gone like seven hours lol. It felt very iffy and there really seems to be this group think. Like, it's pretty much always wolf siding to an incredible degree.

If tommy is town: well obviously this is bad
if tommy is wolf: then when they 'settle in' to FM they should still have a lot of tells over time, right? Like, no matter how intelligent you are or gifted at discord mafia if you roll wolf your first time it is going to show. He wants some data to feed him, I don't mind holding off and seeing what he can produce. His content so far has been 'not good' but I think people leaping to make it alignment dependent feel craven tbh

I disagree, if you are good at one form of mafia, forum wolfing is just as easy as your regular form of wolfing. New people shouldnt get a pass because they are new if they have 2+ years experience

That said I am still catching up so maybe Tommy has redeemed themselves

If this is actually true then why isn't Tommy simply in their regular meta?

I change up my meta often, this means nothing to me. All that matters is the game right now. He is anti-town at best I am not lending my vote there in the hopes he comes out swinging but that doesnt mean I Will shield him, especially when Lucy wont

Changing up their wolf meta to 'won't participate and become favored to die d1' is a very funny choice for a first time fm player lol

[MacDougall]

I wasn't that aggressive towards Seanzie and you aren't factoring in past games when you assess my reaction towards him as unreasonable. You are making a lot of reads without necessary context and really should stop or you're going to cause bad outcomes if you are town.

[MacDougall]

@RondoDimBuckle why are you voting for me?

[Achromatic]

I have no idea what your reads on other people are. I am entirely self centred.

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle what's your takeaway from the Mac x Sean conflict and the Mac x Achro conflict and the Vivax x Tommy conflict

Mac x Sean conflict - yawn.
Mac x Achro conflict - ugh mod got involved, eyeroll
Vivax x Tommy - didnt really read it too hard,

Spoiler: show

tommy has yet to post anything worth reading

What are your take aways?

[MacDougall]

@Achromatic succinctly spell out each issue you have with me in this game so that I can explain why I have done what I have done from town perspective.

[MacDougall]

I have no idea what your reads on other people are. I am entirely self centred.

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

[Achromatic]

I have no idea what your reads on other people are. I am entirely self centred.

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

Well this might explain a lot tbh

[robyn]

I have no idea what your reads on other people are. I am entirely self centred.

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

Well this might explain a lot tbh

are you being intentionally dense?

[Achromatic]

@RondoDimBuckle what's your takeaway from the Mac x Sean conflict and the Mac x Achro conflict and the Vivax x Tommy conflict

Mac x Sean conflict - yawn.
Mac x Achro conflict - ugh mod got involved, eyeroll
Vivax x Tommy - didnt really read it too hard,

Spoiler: show

tommy has yet to post anything worth reading

What are your take aways?

Mod didn't have anything to do with my points and I would appreciate your efforts to solve. What do you think of Mac on the whole this game and also in our back and forth

[MacDougall]

Yeah I don't actually read much of what people say actually. I read what people say to me when it's short, skim it when it's a tl;dr, and I usually just catch up with ctrl f'ing myself to read what people say about me. I only bother going and reading what people have said when I am doing an ISO dive on someone specifically who I feel like I can't figure out from how they are reacting to me.

[Achromatic]

I have no idea what your reads on other people are. I am entirely self centred.

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

Well this might explain a lot tbh

are you being intentionally dense?

Rephrase this?

[MacDougall]

Of course I read the posts that are in front of me when I'm in real time, as long as someone doesn't drop a giant wall on me. I just never bother reading them until ISO mode.

[MacDougall]

The tragedy through all of this painful shit is that my reads haven't changed really at all.

[Achromatic]

Of course I read the posts that are in front of me when I'm in real time, as long as someone doesn't drop a giant wall on me. I just never bother reading them until ISO mode.

The least you could do for a syndicate newbie is to iso me to see if I am lock scum after all tbh.

[robyn]

I have no idea what your reads on other people are. I am entirely self centred.

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

Well this might explain a lot tbh

are you being intentionally dense?

Rephrase this?

content alone tells me you either believe what you’re saying and are mistaken, or you are lying and need to explain why your intentions are undermining mac

[MacDougall]

Of course I read the posts that are in front of me when I'm in real time, as long as someone doesn't drop a giant wall on me. I just never bother reading them until ISO mode.

The least you could do for a syndicate newbie is to iso me to see if I am lock scum after all tbh.

I wasn't serious when I called you lock scum Achro lol.

[Achromatic]

I have no idea what your reads on other people are. I am entirely self centred.

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

Well this might explain a lot tbh

are you being intentionally dense?

Rephrase this?

content alone tells me you either believe what you’re saying and are mistaken, or you are lying and need to explain why your intentions are undermining mac

Lucy I am a bit confused here. I am questioning Mac because I am unsure of their place in the game but you keep referring to it as undermining.

[MacDougall]

marl was a wolf in that game?

Yup, lynched him day 1.

well there's only one thing marl and i have in common it seems

I'm super disappointed that nobody reacted to this post tbh.

[MacDougall]

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

Well this might explain a lot tbh

are you being intentionally dense?

Rephrase this?

content alone tells me you either believe what you’re saying and are mistaken, or you are lying and need to explain why your intentions are undermining mac

Lucy I am a bit confused here. I am questioning Mac because I am unsure of their place in the game but you keep referring to it as undermining.

The implication is that she thinks your reasoning is really bad but you are clearly experienced and intelligent so she's struggling to understand why you keep suspecting me for NAI/bad reasons and has arrived at the idea that you are attacking me directly with bad logic for some tactical reason which is suspicious.

[Achromatic]

Of course I read the posts that are in front of me when I'm in real time, as long as someone doesn't drop a giant wall on me. I just never bother reading them until ISO mode.

The least you could do for a syndicate newbie is to iso me to see if I am lock scum after all tbh.

I wasn't serious when I called you lock scum Achro lol.

I thought you were expressing a confident scum read. Not the case or just not lock

[MacDougall]

Of course I read the posts that are in front of me when I'm in real time, as long as someone doesn't drop a giant wall on me. I just never bother reading them until ISO mode.

The least you could do for a syndicate newbie is to iso me to see if I am lock scum after all tbh.

I wasn't serious when I called you lock scum Achro lol.

I thought you were expressing a confident scum read. Not the case or just not lock

I was not. I was exaggerating for a variety of reasons both productive and non productive. I do not have a strong read on you one way or the other.

[robyn]

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

Well this might explain a lot tbh

are you being intentionally dense?

Rephrase this?

content alone tells me you either believe what you’re saying and are mistaken, or you are lying and need to explain why your intentions are undermining mac

Lucy I am a bit confused here. I am questioning Mac because I am unsure of their place in the game but you keep referring to it as undermining.

that’s because i’ve learned you can’t successfully argue with a read on yourself, you must ignore and solve to be seen as townie. and all your arguing doesn’t target the content of the read (admittedly i don’t think he posted this), rather it makes his read look less confident and less correct after your Q&A

i also think you might have TMI on him but that’s a read that i can’t substantiate rn

[robyn]

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

Well this might explain a lot tbh

are you being intentionally dense?

Rephrase this?

content alone tells me you either believe what you’re saying and are mistaken, or you are lying and need to explain why your intentions are undermining mac

Lucy I am a bit confused here. I am questioning Mac because I am unsure of their place in the game but you keep referring to it as undermining.

The implication is that she thinks your reasoning is really bad but you are clearly experienced and intelligent so she's struggling to understand why you keep suspecting me for NAI/bad reasons and has arrived at the idea that you are attacking me directly with bad logic for some tactical reason which is suspicious.

this too but it’s more of what the bad reads accomplish which is a bit more specific

[Achromatic]

Hm. What is specifically bad about my thoughts? Perhaps I can learn something today. Walk me through my errors here, Lucy.

[robyn]

I have no idea what your reads on other people are. I am entirely self centred.

I feel as if not reading the entire posts you quote of me to inform your read of me is not w good way to solve me.

I disagree. I don't need to read everything you say to solve you.

Well this might explain a lot tbh

your base assumptions here are
1. You have to read the entire game and all posts to get a correct read
2. Because you haven't done that your read is incorrect
which is semi convincing, but it is wrong and the base assumptions are STRANGE

[robyn]

I am now 100% convinced achro is mafia and will be tunneling them until they are dead

You forgot to vote.

no I did not voting is not mandatory in this situation

You can't thunderdome if you don't vote tbh

what in practical terms does me voting for you right now actually cause?

Well if you're 100% sure it shows your vote matches your read. Mafia basics really.

same thing with the odd assumptions
1. You have to always vote who you think is mafia
2. If you don't have him voted you don't think he's actually mafia
3. That means you are lying/being dishonest or something
which lowers the confidence of such a read from the perception of others

[Achromatic]

Well 1 is not a base assumption of mine actually. I think having all the data helps but may not be needed to be correct on things.

In this case specifically however:

Mac posited I have an omgus problem
I point out that this is factually incorrect citing a post he responded to and how I have not omgus'd anyone this game
Mac says he doesn't read all of the posts.

In this example Mac has stated a theory of why I am suspecting them snd I countered with known public information that he had access to and is claiming he did not read.

So because his example read of 'you have an omgus problem" is contradicted by a broader reading of the game it is entirely on point for me to dismiss his point on this basis.

[robyn]

Hm. What is specifically bad about my thoughts? Perhaps I can learn something today. Walk me through my errors here, Lucy.

you are intentionally undermining Mac, will you admit to it?

[Achromatic]

I am now 100% convinced achro is mafia and will be tunneling them until they are dead

You forgot to vote.

no I did not voting is not mandatory in this situation

You can't thunderdome if you don't vote tbh

what in practical terms does me voting for you right now actually cause?

Well if you're 100% sure it shows your vote matches your read. Mafia basics really.

same thing with the odd assumptions
1. You have to always vote who you think is mafia
2. If you don't have him voted you don't think he's actually mafia
3. That means you are lying/being dishonest or something
which lowers the confidence of such a read from the perception of others

This one wasn't meant to be that deep I was calling for a thunderdome lol

[robyn]

Well 1 is not a base assumption of mine actually. I think having all the data helps but may not be needed to be correct on things.

In this case specifically however:

Mac posited I have an omgus problem
I point out that this is factually incorrect citing a post he responded to and how I have not omgus'd anyone this game
Mac says he doesn't read all of the posts.

In this example Mac has stated a theory of why I am suspecting them snd I countered with known public information that he had access to and is claiming he did not read.

So because his example read of 'you have an omgus problem" is contradicted by a broader reading of the game it is entirely on point for me to dismiss his point on this basis.

I'll leave this to others to read, I don't believe you hold this position one bit

[Achromatic]

Hm. What is specifically bad about my thoughts? Perhaps I can learn something today. Walk me through my errors here, Lucy.

you are intentionally undermining Mac, will you admit to it?

On points where I think he has the facts wrong.... yes

[Achromatic]

Well 1 is not a base assumption of mine actually. I think having all the data helps but may not be needed to be correct on things.

In this case specifically however:

Mac posited I have an omgus problem
I point out that this is factually incorrect citing a post he responded to and how I have not omgus'd anyone this game
Mac says he doesn't read all of the posts.

In this example Mac has stated a theory of why I am suspecting them snd I countered with known public information that he had access to and is claiming he did not read.

So because his example read of 'you have an omgus problem" is contradicted by a broader reading of the game it is entirely on point for me to dismiss his point on this basis.

I'll leave this to others to read, I don't believe you hold this position one bit

... lol? This is a plain reading of the facts.

[robyn]

You forgot to vote.

no I did not voting is not mandatory in this situation

You can't thunderdome if you don't vote tbh

what in practical terms does me voting for you right now actually cause?

Well if you're 100% sure it shows your vote matches your read. Mafia basics really.

same thing with the odd assumptions
1. You have to always vote who you think is mafia
2. If you don't have him voted you don't think he's actually mafia
3. That means you are lying/being dishonest or something
which lowers the confidence of such a read from the perception of others

This one wasn't meant to be that deep I was calling for a thunderdome lol

I don't care about your intentions, those are clearly the assumptions you had which are strange to me

[robyn]

Well 1 is not a base assumption of mine actually. I think having all the data helps but may not be needed to be correct on things.

In this case specifically however:

Mac posited I have an omgus problem
I point out that this is factually incorrect citing a post he responded to and how I have not omgus'd anyone this game
Mac says he doesn't read all of the posts.

In this example Mac has stated a theory of why I am suspecting them snd I countered with known public information that he had access to and is claiming he did not read.

So because his example read of 'you have an omgus problem" is contradicted by a broader reading of the game it is entirely on point for me to dismiss his point on this basis.

I'll leave this to others to read, I don't believe you hold this position one bit

... lol? This is a plain reading of the facts.

that doesn't mean you believe it

[MacDougall]

I am now 100% convinced achro is mafia and will be tunneling them until they are dead

You forgot to vote.

no I did not voting is not mandatory in this situation

You can't thunderdome if you don't vote tbh

what in practical terms does me voting for you right now actually cause?

Well if you're 100% sure it shows your vote matches your read. Mafia basics really.

same thing with the odd assumptions
1. You have to always vote who you think is mafia
2. If you don't have him voted you don't think he's actually mafia
3. That means you are lying/being dishonest or something
which lowers the confidence of such a read from the perception of others

I like you and would like to send you a box of cookies.

[Achromatic]

no I did not voting is not mandatory in this situation

You can't thunderdome if you don't vote tbh

what in practical terms does me voting for you right now actually cause?

Well if you're 100% sure it shows your vote matches your read. Mafia basics really.

same thing with the odd assumptions
1. You have to always vote who you think is mafia
2. If you don't have him voted you don't think he's actually mafia
3. That means you are lying/being dishonest or something
which lowers the confidence of such a read from the perception of others

This one wasn't meant to be that deep I was calling for a thunderdome lol

I don't care about your intentions, those are clearly the assumptions you had which are strange to me

No because if I cared this much about this I would have questioned Mac more about why they weren't voting porscha

[Achromatic]

Well 1 is not a base assumption of mine actually. I think having all the data helps but may not be needed to be correct on things.

In this case specifically however:

Mac posited I have an omgus problem
I point out that this is factually incorrect citing a post he responded to and how I have not omgus'd anyone this game
Mac says he doesn't read all of the posts.

In this example Mac has stated a theory of why I am suspecting them snd I countered with known public information that he had access to and is claiming he did not read.

So because his example read of 'you have an omgus problem" is contradicted by a broader reading of the game it is entirely on point for me to dismiss his point on this basis.

I'll leave this to others to read, I don't believe you hold this position one bit

... lol? This is a plain reading of the facts.

that doesn't mean you believe it

There is nothing to believe here. It's like me saying it is 78 degrees outside and you going no.

[MacDougall]

You can't thunderdome if you don't vote tbh

what in practical terms does me voting for you right now actually cause?

Well if you're 100% sure it shows your vote matches your read. Mafia basics really.

same thing with the odd assumptions
1. You have to always vote who you think is mafia
2. If you don't have him voted you don't think he's actually mafia
3. That means you are lying/being dishonest or something
which lowers the confidence of such a read from the perception of others

This one wasn't meant to be that deep I was calling for a thunderdome lol

I don't care about your intentions, those are clearly the assumptions you had which are strange to me

No because if I cared this much about this I would have questioned Mac more about why they weren't voting porscha

this is only evidence that you were pushing me for reasons you didn't believe it when it suited you and weren't when it didn't

[robyn]

You can't thunderdome if you don't vote tbh

what in practical terms does me voting for you right now actually cause?

Well if you're 100% sure it shows your vote matches your read. Mafia basics really.

same thing with the odd assumptions
1. You have to always vote who you think is mafia
2. If you don't have him voted you don't think he's actually mafia
3. That means you are lying/being dishonest or something
which lowers the confidence of such a read from the perception of others

This one wasn't meant to be that deep I was calling for a thunderdome lol

I don't care about your intentions, those are clearly the assumptions you had which are strange to me

No because if I cared this much about this I would have questioned Mac more about why they weren't voting porscha

you misunderstand me, if you weren't conscious of your assumptions that makes the message even more valuable, caring has nothing to do with it

[Achromatic]

what in practical terms does me voting for you right now actually cause?

Well if you're 100% sure it shows your vote matches your read. Mafia basics really.

same thing with the odd assumptions
1. You have to always vote who you think is mafia
2. If you don't have him voted you don't think he's actually mafia
3. That means you are lying/being dishonest or something
which lowers the confidence of such a read from the perception of others

This one wasn't meant to be that deep I was calling for a thunderdome lol

I don't care about your intentions, those are clearly the assumptions you had which are strange to me

No because if I cared this much about this I would have questioned Mac more about why they weren't voting porscha

this is only evidence that you were pushing me for reasons you didn't believe it when it suited you and weren't when it didn't

I was at no point pushing you for not voting me. I made my thunderdome intentions pretty clear tbh

[RondoDimBuckle]

@RondoDimBuckle why are you voting for me?

I didnt like how you tried to quash conversation by threatening to get enough people to vote off Archo. Its more of a protest vote than an actual vote. I also wanted to see who would follow