So anyway now we get to Dizzy's handling of me which I find intentional and problematic. I think one of the reasons why I pushed back hard against Mac saying I have an omgus problem is because as an egocentric player how I interact with others is important to me. So when Dizzy interacts with me in a way that raises my suspicion I don't think that's OMGUS, I think it's a valid concern not to be handwaved away.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:36 am
Last bit of super relevant contribution I have is that I kind of want Achro to be mafia, and I've felt the same tingling in pretty much any game I've spectated and played with him. Some players just have that aura, I think. Have the same with Arete tbh. All this not to state a read on him, I just felt myself wanting to mafia lean on him for litterally no reason, and I'm not going to. But he could still be mafia =p
For someone self-aware of how they view me they sure did trip down into wolf reading me pretty quick lol. I find this funny more than anything.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:30 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:38 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:25 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:24 pm
Not a huge fan of the players on her wagon tbh. Feels weird
Which players are pinging you
Dyslexicon is in my SR's
But like why tho
You don't know me at all. As far as I know, I've never played with you. I had hardly began to even play this game, and you've mentioned a couple of times being suspicious of me. I know you said gut, but even that has to come from somewhere, or no? Genuinely curious
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:54 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:49 pmWhat does "and with a > rand mafia who do it" mean? I saw Mac post >rand mafia earlier. I'm afraid the use of ( <greater than / less than> ) symbols confuses me in this instance. I'm in a few keeper leagues and we use the <> in trade talks.
A decent portion of people who don't know anything about me and that are wolves tend to shade me, because apparently I have resting target face. But I find people who don't know me and are town also does this, so I probably shouldn't read more into it. Anyway, thanks for answering about why you were suspicious. I do find your reasoning quite absurd tbh, but I'm not one to talk because I'm sure people will find some of my reasoning for reads absurd at points too. In fact, most of what makes us read people as this or that is probably absurd, which is why mafia is a stupid game. But I like stupid.
Carry on carrying on. As for reading me, I would advice to listen to people who know me well. Or don't =p
I just wanted to note this but I feel as if a lot of wolves add small nervous ticks to their posts when interacting with people. This is what I call a 'stupid tell to go off of but its way above rand so here we are' In this case the "Genuinely curious" pinged the shit out of me. As did "or don't." To be clear, not analytical in the slightest and 100% pure ping.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:46 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:39 pmOh let's see here, did I miss the context of a conversation?
Ah, I did in fact miss the word 'else' in the first post and missed the TL on Mac. Not nearly as tall of a leap as I thought before, although the phrasing is still pretty strong.
So how sure are you folks of this Mac person's town and wolf ranges because geesh.
It also seems like you didn't really check back carefully to see if Porscha was in fact town reading Mac. But I might get ahead of myself, cause I don't even think it's that unlikely that Porscha is mafia here
So I feel as if this is a start of a trend I will highlight where I feel as if Dizzy is treating me very intentionally. Dizzy is saying I didn't check back carefully on Porscha and is implying this is a scum tell for me.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:04 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:58 pm
Like, I'm pretty sure Mac is town here. Or egg on my face.
I dont know his range, but a question. Do you think he as town is likely to not check up on Porscha's read progression of him before casting suspicion? ;o. You pointing that out was a bit of a red flag for Mac for me since that was his only point of suspecting Porscha there whereas it was a secondary one for me.
I mean, I think that this particular point against Porscha was kind of weak to begin with. But yes, I do think Mac can jump on things or jump to conclusions. I don't really read him off of that though. I read him off of energy and whether I feel like what he's saying is just fake as fuck, which is what he feels like when he's mafia. It's a pretty noticeable difference to my memory. Egg on my face etc etc, but I think Mac believes what he says here basically.
When Mac is similarly sloppy, it's NAI, when Achromatic does it, it's suspicious. For someone who is pinged by me treating players doing similar things differently this is a strange take to have. No problem with the Mac part of this, but contrasting this with Dizzy's treatment of me feels like Dizzy was looking for a reason to scum read me rather than developing one naturally.
@Dyslexicon do you have game experience with me that would lead you to believe I am more prone to sloppy case work as wolf? If so please cite the game.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:32 pm
Tommy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:46 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:45 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:43 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:35 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:22 pm
Maybe my first name is Stupid, but I lose my shit on my homeboys playing an out of town meta. Or doing anything that doesn't fit their established town game.
Falc and I have chased eachother around the last couple games because we couldn't town read eachother.. but Lucy just gives the Tommy a free pass because?
Probably because Lucy is mafia, and Tommy is either in chat, or is actually town and Lucy afraid to get run over.
That's how I'm seeing this at least,
Vote Lucy
out of mafia meta too, they play very similarly as both factions, never seen this from them, so i assume they dislike forum and i bullied them into it
If your home site is the only place they've played, there's bound to be a struggle to find their feet as either alignment, but I found the first games I played here, it was my homeboys pressuring me and essentially forcing my voice one way or another. A good townie who's familiar with a player from their homesite should be pushing that player to show, not coasting behind a wagon formed by players who don't know your homeboy.
I feel like you should be doing more than reserving judgement on someone you have history with because they don't fit either box you've built for them. Comes across as wolfy to me.
i’ve told them to talk more at least twice, since they are not then i can’t do much else
Omg. How active am I supposed to be. I talked yesterday and kept up with chat. I just finished reading what I missed
I don't know any of your takes or if you have takes on the game or alignments. I know it's hard when everyone and everything is new, but anything you can give in terms of impressions of other players would be helpful at this point. It doesn't have to be in any specific way. Don't think, just speak is my advice
@MacDougall we briefly mentioned possible in thread coaching by Lucy earlier. This gave off the possible same vibes to me.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:34 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:07 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:04 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:49 pm
Tommy*, not matt
Nooks ISO also rather wolfy.
So Nook, Lucy, Porscha, DrWilgy in current PoE
More undecided between Lucy and DrWilgy because of Tommy wagon
Ic ic if you drop wilgy and add axe we have a pretty similar world view. Thoughts on axe's explanation of not voting porscha? Felt pretty bad. What's your issue with wilgy?
Axes filter is certainly cryptic. Don't really get the movie references and don't even think they made that many different movies of Pirates OTC. But maybe I'll get it another time.
He's consistent in sheeping MacDougall, explains some Mac-Sean history.
Tone overall reads good to me.
I think I'd townlean this at least for D1 because he semi-freely gave information.
I might join him on that and go matt here.
So, just so I understand correctly.
You think it is a better chance of a hit to vote the first time FM player who is, by account of someone who knows them, outside of both their normal town AND wolf metas and has openly displayed issues with the FM format day one versus someone who by all accounts went from having a null read on Mac to having a big town read on them without showing any of their work at all.
Why do you think Tommy has even above a random chance of being a wolf atm?
Do you think Tommy is exact rand here?
Also, early game you mentioned how you'd just chop me if I had low WIM.
Does this not apply to Tommy, who is arguably the one giving the least this game?
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:02 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:49 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:43 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:41 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:34 pm
Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:07 pm
Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:04 pm
Axes filter is certainly cryptic. Don't really get the movie references and don't even think they made that many different movies of Pirates OTC. But maybe I'll get it another time.
He's consistent in sheeping MacDougall, explains some Mac-Sean history.
Tone overall reads good to me.
I think I'd townlean this at least for D1 because he semi-freely gave information.
I might join him on that and go matt here.
So, just so I understand correctly.
You think it is a better chance of a hit to vote the first time FM player who is, by account of someone who knows them, outside of both their normal town AND wolf metas and has openly displayed issues with the FM format day one versus someone who by all accounts went from having a null read on Mac to having a big town read on them without showing any of their work at all.
Why do you think Tommy has even above a random chance of being a wolf atm?
Do you think Tommy is exact rand here?
Also, early game you mentioned how you'd just chop me if I had low WIM. Does this not apply to Tommy, who is arguably the one giving the least this game?
Do I need to explain the difference between a first time FM player and yourself?
Standards, wolf ranges, etc etc.
In this context, yeah I think you do
Oh, sure.
So you are a well established player who if I put the screws to you in some form or fashion will have a relatively known range of reactions for everyone to judge you on and to attempt to divine your alignment. If you are slacking off and suddenly under a microscope that's probably going to yield information that can be read by people.
Tommy, on the other hand, is an unknown quantity and to my eye hasn't really done anything noteworthy one way or another. This is not ideal, however with their stated dislike of FM so far as well as their noted inexperience it doesn't make them very formidable wolves down the line in the 'people are right he is wolf' even if I think it is for dubious reasons. likewise, because he is inexperienced, there is a large chance he becomes polarized when he does get his teeth into the game and we can proceed more appropriately.
Trying to say Tommy is the best lynch today is like ordering your steak well done. Technically it is a thing you can do, but why?
So you wanting to put the microscope on me, so to say, would be a way to gain reactions and info out of me? Is that correct? In which case, don't count on it. Slacking is something I do from time to time, depending on time. I didn't think I would have the time to read D1 this game, but I took the time now.
Do you also not think that putting the microscope on Tommy can yield information? Also, I'm not sure why you necessarily expect him to become more clear later on, as he is for everyone but Lucy and unknown entity. And thus far he hasn't really shown any interest in contributing a whole lot or FM at all, as you allude to. Why do you expect this to change later on? I hope it does, but what if it doesn't.
Funny thing is that giving more time is something I could argue for Porscha, exactly because I do know her at least a little bit, and I've been able to find her as town in the few games I've played with her to my memory.
So I guess I just see this differently than you do.
I also don't eat meat.
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:10 pm
I think I talked myself into
[VOTE:
Tommy] aubergine
So I think the interesting thing about this is, to me, it feels really bussy. At this point we have an entire day to go and plenty of time to get information from both Porscha and Tommy but so soon after giving Tommy advice Dizzy is like "actually nah" and tosses the vote. Now, for town equity here maybe I gave Dizzy a new perspective on Porscha which is a fine thing except that today Dizzy was just right back on Porscha which doesn't exactly line up with a new perspective and wait and see approach. However maybe they are just impatient as town, which I could see.
Then day 2 rolls around and Dizzy beelines straight for me with the only possible speed bump of Porscha being a possible wolf.
So I guess the world view where Dizzy is town is easily findable despite me not liking several things. It's just Dizzy deciding I was a wolf and going on a great adventure to slay me before much had really happened, which I have seen plenty.
So I'd like people to comment on if the above posts are NAI or even pro town for Dizzy and if they think the way they treated me was scummy or just an average day for Dizzy.
To Dizzy, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game state atm when you can. Especially Porscha and myself. Do you believe Porscha's wolf equity is strong? What about mine? What caused you to move on to Wilgy?