ASMRfia [END]

[Dyslexicon]

If I just take what I have right now, I think my PoE is Vul/Nook/Lucy, well aware that two of these are town

[Vivax]

With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.

Nook was also not on Axe's radar. And I don't think Nook kills Axe unless he's worried about Axe specifically. I don't really know how worried or not Nook would be as mafia, but Axe didn't focus on Nook

If I look at this list and who took a stance between Ender/Porscha, Wilgy and Vivax are the only one remaining

@Vivax What are your thoughts on bus drivers?

Generally? You said it's not your meta to bus, I'll have to take you at your word for it and no one has challenged that.
Hot pick for busser would probably be Nook. But it's Nook and I have no clue. Lucy later implied a bus saying something like Tommy gave her PTSD which was quoted somewhere along these pages.

For me, the PoE remains Nook/Lucy
Then there's doctor reads on Nook so I'd go lucy here for looking like she was shielding Tommy at points.

It seemed like the moment I SRed Tommy and made a busser read on Nanook, Lucy and Sabi jumped at me to talk me out of it for newbie-slack, one of them could have been mafia seeking for help to not look alone with a bad read. They got it, but at some point there has to be a reckoning. And Sabi flipped. Alas.

I was more so wondering about your thoughts on bussing in your own play. I just asked indirectly, because Vivex vibes

Hard to say, I use it as last resort and usually look bad from it. Being confidently wrong as town has its perks if I carry them over to scumplay which I struggle with.
I guess the trouble stems from making a plausible scumread for bad reasons since it's not supposed to go off, then retract it without looking like it was full of crap. The alternative is pretending the teammates don't exist and get caught off it.
Too much theorycrafting for me atm, one could probably fill a book with the game theory required for the game.

I'd say I could have bussed Tommy from the way I went about it. But I don't push every single player at some point when I'm mafia, usually. And activity is much lower. I do much less crazy stuff etc.

[RondoDimBuckle]

With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.

Nook was also not on Axe's radar. And I don't think Nook kills Axe unless he's worried about Axe specifically. I don't really know how worried or not Nook would be as mafia, but Axe didn't focus on Nook

If I look at this list and who took a stance between Ender/Porscha, Wilgy and Vivax are the only one remaining

@Vivax What are your thoughts on bus drivers?

Generally? You said it's not your meta to bus, I'll have to take you at your word for it and no one has challenged that.
Hot pick for busser would probably be Nook. But it's Nook and I have no clue. Lucy later implied a bus saying something like Tommy gave her PTSD which was quoted somewhere along these pages.

For me, the PoE remains Nook/Lucy
Then there's doctor reads on Nook so I'd go lucy here for looking like she was shielding Tommy at points.

It seemed like the moment I SRed Tommy and made a busser read on Nanook, Lucy and Sabi jumped at me to talk me out of it for newbie-slack, one of them could have been mafia seeking for help to not look alone with a bad read. They got it, but at some point there has to be a reckoning. And Sabi flipped. Alas.

too bad I am the doctor

[Vivax]

I can believe it, doesn't mean I have to favour a lim on Nanook first.
Need to wait for everyone else to chime in anyway.

[Seanzie]

@MacDougall who do u think is doc

Rondo hasn't been counterclaimed so I have no reason to suspect it's anyone other than him because at this point he is literally the wolf or the doctor, so the doctor is throwing by not counterclaiming him. I have no idea why Dyslexicon is convinced that he isn't the doc when the real doc (if it were Nanook) would simply have counterclaimed and killed him right now. The doctor hiding at this point is strictly dumb if so.

I guess the mafia just thought they were being duped by Rondo and shot Sabi because of that, which is just really bad play cuz Sabi strictly dropped her claim in a situation where if she was real doc, she never would have cuz we forced Rondo to HC never rescind by punishment of death, so a doc Sabi there would have had a veritable red on him. Ergo the wolf is dumb or not really paying attention (somehow).

Anyway if the real doc does now counterclaim Rondo, I am going to preface this by saying real doc u dumb.

My POE right now is Lucy and Lucy.

Spoiler: show

Nice

Mac lock town

Nanook trying would he neat too

I did my job

I thought Nook was doc from these posts here, and I just slotted him as town after that. It looks like from his reaction here that he isn't though, but I really wish he'd just say it out right cause it's just annoying and anti-town at this point. I thought both Sabi and Rondo was kind of meme and fake tbh, and that Nook would probably try to go utr so was fine with some cover, however good or bad, especially since he's had a PoE of me and Vul. No reason to counter if you think the people faking are town anyway. I thought it was kind of like the situation in the champs final, where we couldn't chop Dya because Arete was faking a green, but I knew Arete was faking and thought Dya was mafia, but instead we had to chop Monkey. It was super dumb. Except Dya wasn't mafia anyway so lol

What if that first post is TMI?

[Seanzie]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

[Dyslexicon]

What if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

[Dyslexicon]

From my admittedly brief experience with Vivax, he vibes much closer to town than mafia here for what it's worth

[Dyslexicon]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

One time I found a letter written in code on my balcony. I don't know how it got there and I still haven't cracked the code. I should give it another go tbh

[RondoDimBuckle]

What if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Mac WAS the N1 kill

[Vivax]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

One time I found a letter written in code on my balcony. I don't know how it got there and I still haven't cracked the code. I should give it another go tbh

That sounds interesting.

One time I housed a French fugitive or something in the house for a night. Left me two Euros and a lot of thanks in a letter that made me realize what he was.
No, nothing spicy.

[RondoDimBuckle]

What if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Mac WAS the N1 kill

If Ender wasnt shielding you I would slam you for trying to cast doubt on that

[Dyslexicon]

What if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Mac WAS the N1 kill

If Ender wasnt shielding you I would slam you for trying to cast doubt on that

I didn't cast doubt on that lol. You are constantly misunderstanding me and missing the point. Calm down, Rondor

[Seanzie]

What if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Yeah, I agree. I didn't mean that post to be damning for Nook, just showing it is wolf-compatible.

[Dyslexicon]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

One time I found a letter written in code on my balcony. I don't know how it got there and I still haven't cracked the code. I should give it another go tbh

That sounds interesting.

One time I housed a French fugitive or something in the house for a night. Left me two Euros and a lot of thanks in a letter that made me realize what he was.
No, nothing spicy.

Aw. It's like Les Mis, except less singing. I presume

[Seanzie]

What if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Mac WAS the N1 kill

If Ender wasnt shielding you I would slam you for trying to cast doubt on that

I don't think Dizzy's post does what you're accusing Dizzy of here.

[RondoDimBuckle]

What if that first post is TMI?

If he's mafia, it probably is. I don't think assuming Mac N1 kill is particularly meaningful in itself though

Mac WAS the N1 kill

If Ender wasnt shielding you I would slam you for trying to cast doubt on that

I didn't cast doubt on that lol. You are constantly misunderstanding me and missing the point. Calm down, Rondor

Im not trying to. Its why I listen to Ender about you because we just dont click

[MacDougall]

If Ender/Porscha are w/w, then why does this happen?

God I really dont know if ender is a hit I'm a trash can at reading them the couple times we have played but they seemed to be consistent in the dizzy read and felt confident earlier is this also doable in ender's wolf range?

If you think achro is town
and you don't have a good place to be voting
and you aren't sure Ender is town

you should be voting Ender imo

*sucks teeth* aaaaah fuck man

I dont think I'll be able to be around for eod cuz I gotta drive shortly

I'll just stick it on ender and hope for the best

These are the posts when Porscha pivots to Ender as a counter wagon to self pres. She sort of makes up a reason to do it and *sucks teeth* lol. I don't think this is her piling onto a teammate. On Ender's side, he doesn't even self pres onto Porscha, even thought she is quite far down his list. If the plan was for Porscha to vote a teammate, why not vote back to seal the distancing? Instead Ender is kind of doing his own thing

I literally demanded she do it. If she didn't she died. Plus distancing cred.

[MacDougall]

1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

I still don't think he'd kill NotAnAxehole.

[MacDougall]

One thing I don't like about Nook, and without trying to make this into and omgus fest, is how he's been having me in his PoE. It seems like a random pick, because he argued for it not being Ender because Ender doesn't kill Axe, but apparently I do?

this appeals tho... Nanook should have you as clear imo.

[MacDougall]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Just finished watching Everything, everywhere all at once. I am going to ignore the critics on this one. What a feel good and hilarious movie. Would recommend. [VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

[MacDougall]

Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

[Vivax]

TRing Rondo, Sean and Mac. Rondo sounds identical to the last two games I've played here. I scum read him both games and he ended up flipped town (reanimation excluded).
Sean more toothy and hostile than last game where he was wolf. He seemed light and kinda floated through the thread as wolf, very different tone this game.
Mac could be anything I suppose, but he's putting in the work and it's not feeling forced to this point. His reaction to me piling on was classic too, enjoyable really. His read on me is wrong, but that's the way she goes.

Can't remember if it was Vivax or Wiggin who tried to tie me to Axehole because I made sure joke about us being Canadian.. They both entered at basically the same time so you'll have to forgive my processing here ( in catchup mode from work).

Lead wagons seem good. Porscha trying to excuse herself from putting in any effort because neither Sean or I had was sketch, and I pointed that out earlier. I'll be the first to say I totally suck at this game, so pinning any sort of excuse as to why she's not playing on me, is pretty weak.

Tommy really seems like LHF, but at the same time their posting yesterday was just not townie at all and the fact the they haven't re-entered does come across frozen.

Can't put my finger on why, gut read I guess, but Dyslexicon pinged yesterday. Lucy still feels scummy as well. Upon reflection she spent her time trying to "look towny" and I felt some post come across as self conscious.

Fairly neutral post save the highlighted parts.
I guess I can postpone the 'trying to yeet lucy' for Vulgard today.

I've just seen townies write this kind of stuff too and I'm naturally paranoid.

[MacDougall]

Vulgard is just an inno child on play today. If he's mafia I'll eat an iceberg.

[Vivax]

Lol scumread rightly for the wrong reasons.

Thats crap.

Idk I almost want to read a compliment into this. It's about my reasons to vote for Porscha which I described in that way.

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

Of course if you claim a shield on Vulgard I can back off. But...Feh

[Vivax]

1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

Wolf spew for Achro? Don't really get this. He dead.

[Seanzie]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

[Seanzie]

Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

Mostly I've been clearing him off his rolecard, but I know that's kind of a weak reason.

[MacDougall]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Nah i do but i still want her to articulate it lol

[MacDougall]

Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

Mostly I've been clearing him off his rolecard, but I know that's kind of a weak reason.

I have the impression that you were on teh right side of both chops without me checking is that true?

[Seanzie]

1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

Wolf spew for Achro? Don't really get this. He dead.

I think Vulgard is talking about Nook there, not Achromatic. Nook has no wolf spew in his favor from Tommy or Porscha.

[MacDougall]

Lol scumread rightly for the wrong reasons.

Thats crap.

Idk I almost want to read a compliment into this. It's about my reasons to vote for Porscha which I described in that way.

[VOTE: Vulgard] aubergine

Of course if you claim a shield on Vulgard I can back off. But...Feh

i aint shielding anybody except nanook who i am not shielding anymore cuz the bar is too high

[Seanzie]

Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

Mostly I've been clearing him off his rolecard, but I know that's kind of a weak reason.

I have the impression that you were on teh right side of both chops without me checking is that true?

No, I didn't say a thing about Tommy and Porscha I actually lightly defended.

[Seanzie]

Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Nah i do but i still want her to articulate it lol

Okay, well if she doesn't soon, I'mma vote there @lucy

[Vivax]

1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

Wolf spew for Achro? Don't really get this. He dead.

I think Vulgard is talking about Nook there, not Achromatic. Nook has no wolf spew in his favor from Tommy or Porscha.

Hm. Missed the context. Thanks.
That's kinda expected from the way Nook played, even if town I suppose? I don't know his play well but I'd guess mafia familiar with him would think it impossible to misyeet him.
But that means that Vulgard is trying to do that. So the vote from Nanook only is consequent if town.

Not very informative compared to Flanders imo, still worth a mention.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am still not happy with the lucy bailing from thread at the time she did @MacDougall tell me to chill again

[Vivax]

I'm just the bigot who didn't consider a Flanders with a colossal bum for mafia until D3

[Vulgard]

I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

[RondoDimBuckle]

I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

I'm just the bigot who didn't consider a Flanders with a colossal bum for mafia until D3

Yeah I was worried at that point that since I didn't think Ender was being particularly towny he could just be wolf. But he does improve and the porcha counter wagon even though Mac says he forced that it I am hesitant to vote him but no sheild for sure

[Vivax]

I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

If it's the main/alt of Arctic I played with on MU he's probs town. There are some similarities.

[Vulgard]

If this was referring to Ender then no he and Arctic are two different people
If this was about me then me and Arctic are also different people but funny you should say that as we played a hydra game together (which sucked but that's beside the point)

[Seanzie]

I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

If it's the main/alt of Arctic I played with on MU he's probs town. There are some similarities.

Ender is Bladescape (or blade or something like that) on MU, not Arctic. Possibly another alt, but if so Ender's never mentioned that one.

[Vivax]

Still think he's town fwiw
His Rondo and Achro pokes at the beginning would be quite egregious as W

[MacDougall]

Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

[MacDougall]

I mean it would require the person who is the actual town PR (or persons) to have not read the matrix or to be convinced that Rondo is just town trying to bait the kill.

I'm not sure anyone would be doing that surely?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Still think he's town fwiw
His Rondo and Achro pokes at the beginning would be quite egregious as W

can you point them out?

[Seanzie]

Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

[RondoDimBuckle]

Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

Negative, I was the one calling it stupid (no offence Lucy)

[MacDougall]

Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

But what if Lucy is right?

They lose Tommy day 1. Rondo is ... in light terms ... an unusual specimen. What if rather than just coasting to a stomping he tried a gambit as the roleblocker and roleblocked Porscha carrying in order to be able to claim doc? Played the game with the mindset of doc until there were other doc claims. Expected to have to cc battle but has simply walked into the luckiest scenario?

Would it not explain why Sabi died? Because Rondo actually thought she really was the doctor? Who else would have thought that after she retracted?