Kid's Birthday Party Mafia Game Over

[falcon45ca]

Nanook/Esooa are the POE this RD IMO



I have reasons to TR everybody else, save those two

[Sabiplz]

Me: spends D1 & D2 saying lucy chop is pointless and what not

Falcon: they went along with it

What the fuck

Remind me again who you voted for?


At the end of the day, I'm still TRing you, but I don't believe what I said is all that inflammatory

I was on alison all of D1 and most of D2 till it felt pointless.

It's inflammatory because you act like I wasn't the one trying to get people to not vote lucy which means you haven't read me at all which means I don't trust your read on me.

[Marmot]

I don't understand the argument around Nanook's handling of lucy/Alison looking genuine. Mainly, it's that 8 hours before he made the post Sabi is talking about, he called lucy/Alison/Marmot a winning POE.

Is it that he backed off what he said based on lucy's posts which he hadn't previously seen? I guess I get it. He didn't really townread lucy to begin with, or even defend her, so much as counter something Alison said.

Idk

[Esooa]

Spoiler: show

I also was just genuinely sad Nook no sold me when we we’re both here, but I can’t express emotion without it being labeled as manipulative AtE apparently

this is manipulative ate

No u.

@lucy that’s cutee, buddy attempt accepted for now, who do u wanna vote for are voting for and why

That's it from Sparkles on Esooa.

Spoiler: show

My top suspects are Marmot and Sparkles. Everyone else is various shades of null to town right now.

I don't think lucy's opening is AI for her. I would like to see the promised thoughts as it has been 5 hours. @lucy

why sparkles

Don't know how to read sparkles so I'll just sheep

she's only that loud about it cause of all the things I posted and such lol

Tho saying she was going to give reads and then coming and not is a thing at least

also don't really feel like Sparkles is that scummy but she could a wolf. I guess this post is useless but I was thinking she was kinda towny until I realized that might make her a wolf cause when I played with her before my thoughts were anything but "pretty forgettable, a little towny ig" so there's that

Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here

I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

From Esooa's side, we're given a bunch of opportunities to make judgment calls. If Esooa is Sparkles' teammate, I don't think we can call this material "distancing", and maybe not even "bussing" unless that word means "place a vote for your teammate" and nothing more. Esooa's treatment of Sparkles kind of falls on the third corner of the triangle that has formed in my head of players with similar world views and very different products reflecting their world views: Alison, Wilgy, and Esooa. All three said in some form that they were cool with the lucy/Sparkles POE, and Esooa was the one to place the actual Sparkles vote. That vote came with little verbal weight, however, given that it was a shrugging sheep and followed by commentary that could move late wagons elsewhere.

So that's the judgment call. Is this Esooa genuinely shrugging her way uneasily into the correct Sparkles chop, or is it some combination of feeble distancing and effort to move other votes? With a gun to my head I favor the former. Esooa, even in this lower activity body, is not a player I would describe as "feeble". If she is going to distance or bus, she probably just does it? All the way? It's not a crime to be unsure about a Day 1 chop. I welcome discussion on this one, because it's not my most confident read.

I think Esooa has been townie both yesterday and today, just in a vacuum. She is reading me in a very specific way (trying to see how far I stretch my logic) and I find this to be a reasonable way of reading me that matches with her previous approach to me as town. Her approach to lucy matches mine as well. As you suggest, she has expressed doubt on Sparkles, but so did Outed Wolf himself, and she has not expressed that doubt in ways that are likely to convince people to move off Sparkles.

Today, she has stuck to her guns on lucy even when handed ripe opportunities to turn on me, despite openly voicing hesitation on her previous Alison townread. She shares my belief that the game can be solved by simple POE. I have no issues with her approach at all and in many respects she has played the game as I would as a townie in her shoes.

I don't kill Alison btw

[Sabiplz]

My bar for Nook is seriously low so disregard my read since it's weak.

[Esooa]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[Marmot]

Example 1

I just want to say that when I clicked on this and scrolled over the post, I almost spit laughing at SPF dropping an insta-vote right after the wall.

LOL!

That was a fun game amiright

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Marmot]

Esooa, why don't you kill Alison?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

sup

[Sabiplz]

Voting Wilgz because even tho he had surgery, he hasn't posted in days

[Marmot]

Jay are you a wolf?

[Sabiplz]

Just need votes on Nook, Falcon and me.

These wagons will catch a wolf

[falcon45ca]

Me: spends D1 & D2 saying lucy chop is pointless and what not

Falcon: they went along with it

What the fuck

Remind me again who you voted for?


At the end of the day, I'm still TRing you, but I don't believe what I said is all that inflammatory

I was on alison all of D1 and most of D2 till it felt pointless.

It's inflammatory because you act like I wasn't the one trying to get people to not vote lucy which means you haven't read me at all which means I don't trust your read on me.

Uh, I think you're twisting my words a bit there.



Look, if you want to think that you're beyond suspicion and my take on some of your play last RD means I've not read you at all, then have at it.



Its pretty clear you're not too familiar with my playstyle, but consider the irony given your recent posts re: lucy.



It's pretty towny of ya tho

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My bar for Nook is seriously low so disregard my read since it's weak.

I appreciate it nonetheless. Nanook feels pretty "rand", so my read isn't especially confident either. It's a pretty pure POE case.

[Marmot]

@DrWilgy I hope your surgery went well!!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay are you a wolf?

No Marmot, I am not a wolf.

[Marmot]

Jay are you a wolf?

No Marmot, I am not a wolf.

Why not?

[Esooa]

Esooa, why don't you kill Alison?

she town reads me more than anyone else

[Sabiplz]

Jay are you a wolf?

No Marmot, I am not a wolf.

HI I am not a wolf, I'm dad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why not?

Because I am a good boy.

[Sabiplz]

Me: spends D1 & D2 saying lucy chop is pointless and what not

Falcon: they went along with it

What the fuck

Remind me again who you voted for?


At the end of the day, I'm still TRing you, but I don't believe what I said is all that inflammatory

I was on alison all of D1 and most of D2 till it felt pointless.

It's inflammatory because you act like I wasn't the one trying to get people to not vote lucy which means you haven't read me at all which means I don't trust your read on me.

Uh, I think you're twisting my words a bit there.



Look, if you want to think that you're beyond suspicion and my take on some of your play last RD means I've not read you at all, then have at it.



Its pretty clear you're not too familiar with my playstyle, but consider the irony given your recent posts re: lucy.



It's pretty towny of ya tho

Possibly.

I'm sorry.

[Marmot]

Alison did have a TR of esooa before today.

Ok let's kill Nanook first.

[Marmot]

Why not?

Because I am a good boy.

Boring defense tbh.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Now this is podracing!

[Marmot]

You ruined my joke Jay!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why not?

Because I am a good boy.

Boring defense tbh.

This birthday party just keeps getting worse!

[Sabiplz]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

[Marmot]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

Whow would you consider not LHF at this point?

I would consider falcon and Wilgy in that category too, the people I've gathered you are pushing. But so I can get a clarification, who do you think is the wolf atp?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you should redo your POE, I don't belong in it.

Unlikely

I know explaining isn't really your gig, but if you could say like three words about Marmot that'd be super

Makes sense as a bus if there was one, dislike some of their lines, have general bad vibes/don't think their approach is how they typically approach as town, kinda stiff etc.

Primarily a poe read

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Alison as the kill over Jay makes sense in a lot of worlds imo. In the world where Jay is scum, it's obvious why. In the world where Jay is town, the final wolf knows that Alison will come into Day 3 realizing she'll have to build a new world view with lucy flipping town, and imo she's a scarier townie than Jay to face as a wolf.

Obviously Jay could just be a wolf, I'm considering this world too. I still think is progression on Sparkles is rand!town though

Just don't do stuff she policies and you're probably fine lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Makes sense as a bus if there was one, dislike some of their lines, have general bad vibes/don't think their approach is how they typically approach as town, kinda stiff etc.

Primarily a poe read

Cool beans. I highlighted the portion that most contrasts my perspective (I think Marmot has generally seemed to be playing his town game). I'll be taking closer looks at everyone, and I'll see how I feel.

[Sabiplz]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

Whow would you consider not LHF at this point?

I would consider falcon and Wilgy in that category too, the people I've gathered you are pushing. But so I can get a clarification, who do you think is the wolf atp?

You and jjj.

I don't think Falcon is lhf today.

I have no idea who is maf. Gut/tinfoil is telling me there's a deep wolf in either you or jjj

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess he posted that before he saw the post? That's the only other plausible explanation

I did yeah

[Esooa]

idk who wolf but I think Nanook is more towny than JJJ and everyone else is probably town

Don't see any reasons to wolfread Wilgy really. But I've misread him before

[Marmot]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you should redo your POE, I don't belong in it.

Unlikely

I know explaining isn't really your gig, but if you could say like three words about Marmot that'd be super

Makes sense as a bus if there was one, dislike some of their lines, have general bad vibes/don't think their approach is how they typically approach as town, kinda stiff etc.

Primarily a poe read

Why does my treatment of Sparkles as a bus make sense compared to anyone else's?

In this case, I'm talking about Jay, falcon, and esooa.

[Sabiplz]

idk who wolf but I think Nanook is more towny than JJJ and everyone else is probably town

Don't see any reasons to wolfread Wilgy really. But I've misread him before

How

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

A Syndicate classic

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you should redo your POE, I don't belong in it.

Unlikely

I know explaining isn't really your gig, but if you could say like three words about Marmot that'd be super

Makes sense as a bus if there was one, dislike some of their lines, have general bad vibes/don't think their approach is how they typically approach as town, kinda stiff etc.

Primarily a poe read

Why does my treatment of Sparkles as a bus make sense compared to anyone else's?

In this case, I'm talking about Jay, falcon, and esooa.

Her reaction to it primarily

[Marmot]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME you should redo your POE, I don't belong in it.

Unlikely

I know explaining isn't really your gig, but if you could say like three words about Marmot that'd be super

Makes sense as a bus if there was one, dislike some of their lines, have general bad vibes/don't think their approach is how they typically approach as town, kinda stiff etc.

Primarily a poe read

Why does my treatment of Sparkles as a bus make sense compared to anyone else's?

In this case, I'm talking about Jay, falcon, and esooa.

Her reaction to it primarily

What about her reaction?

[Esooa]

idk who wolf but I think Nanook is more towny than JJJ and everyone else is probably town

Don't see any reasons to wolfread Wilgy really. But I've misread him before

How

NK's

[Sabiplz]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

A Syndicate classic

I think the problem is due to it being a smol game and not syndicate.

[Sabiplz]

idk who wolf but I think Nanook is more towny than JJJ and everyone else is probably town

Don't see any reasons to wolfread Wilgy really. But I've misread him before

How

NK's

Yea but that doesn't explain Nook being townier

[falcon45ca]

Me: spends D1 & D2 saying lucy chop is pointless and what not

Falcon: they went along with it

What the fuck

Remind me again who you voted for?


At the end of the day, I'm still TRing you, but I don't believe what I said is all that inflammatory

I was on alison all of D1 and most of D2 till it felt pointless.

It's inflammatory because you act like I wasn't the one trying to get people to not vote lucy which means you haven't read me at all which means I don't trust your read on me.

Uh, I think you're twisting my words a bit there.



Look, if you want to think that you're beyond suspicion and my take on some of your play last RD means I've not read you at all, then have at it.



Its pretty clear you're not too familiar with my playstyle, but consider the irony given your recent posts re: lucy.



It's pretty towny of ya tho

Possibly.

I'm sorry.

No worries at all, I was raised by lions & tigers & bears. Oh my



How do you feel about Marmot & JJJ?

[falcon45ca]

idk who wolf but I think Nanook is more towny than JJJ and everyone else is probably town

Don't see any reasons to wolfread Wilgy really. But I've misread him before

So your POE is JJJ & Nook?


Can you give us 3 reasons for each as to why?

[falcon45ca]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

Whow would you consider not LHF at this point?

I would consider falcon and Wilgy in that category too, the people I've gathered you are pushing. But so I can get a clarification, who do you think is the wolf atp?

You and jjj.

I don't think Falcon is lhf today.

I have no idea who is maf. Gut/tinfoil is telling me there's a deep wolf in either you or jjj

What are your thoughts on Esooa?

[Sabiplz]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

Whow would you consider not LHF at this point?

I would consider falcon and Wilgy in that category too, the people I've gathered you are pushing. But so I can get a clarification, who do you think is the wolf atp?

You and jjj.

I don't think Falcon is lhf today.

I have no idea who is maf. Gut/tinfoil is telling me there's a deep wolf in either you or jjj

What are your thoughts on Esooa?

Alison lite.

I don't mind yeeting her since she's being weird and the way marmot and jjj brought up how she handled sparkles was eyebrow raising

[falcon45ca]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by this...who's the lhf this RD?



I'm also not sure of the sentiment...if Maf are lhf, then so be it. They get lynched easier. So then what...Town should target subjectively harder pushes?

[falcon45ca]

Glad we are going 3/3 on lhf slots this game.

(yes sparkles was wolf but was still lhf)

Whow would you consider not LHF at this point?

I would consider falcon and Wilgy in that category too, the people I've gathered you are pushing. But so I can get a clarification, who do you think is the wolf atp?

You and jjj.

I don't think Falcon is lhf today.

I have no idea who is maf. Gut/tinfoil is telling me there's a deep wolf in either you or jjj

What are your thoughts on Esooa?

Alison lite.

I don't mind yeeting her since she's being weird and the way marmot and jjj brought up how she handled sparkles was eyebrow raising

Yeah, I'm also not a fan of the way she handled Sparks...or any of her scum reads really. There's lots of hedging and pivot points in her posts, and several examples of unsolicited overexplanations.



OK, so who is in your absolutely not voting list for this RD?