Kid's Birthday Party Mafia Game Over

[DrWilgy]

Anyone want to join me on Esooa uwu

How do you interpret Sparkles encouraging Falcon's Esooa vote?

[Marmot]

Jay has spent much of today being a goofball which I'm inclinded to call "IDONTHAVEAFUCKINGCLUE"

Did sparkles not spew JJJ town in your eyes?

I'm lost and I need guidance

[Sabiplz]

Anyone want to join me on Esooa uwu

How do you interpret Sparkles encouraging Falcon's Esooa vote?

Distancing from Esooa.

Look at Esooa during eod1.

[Sabiplz]

Jay has spent much of today being a goofball which I'm inclinded to call "IDONTHAVEAFUCKINGCLUE"

Did sparkles not spew JJJ town in your eyes?

I'm lost and I need guidance

It's not jjj (at least for now)

[Marmot]

(why is anyone townreading Esooa)

Mainly because Alison did

[Marmot]

I'm not actually townreadin esooa, but she's not my top wolf candidate atm. That slot belongs to Nanook.

[Sabiplz]

(why is anyone townreading Esooa)

Mainly because Alison did

And Alison was dead set on lucy being wolf.

Alison can be wrong.

What is your read marmar

[DrWilgy]

Does W nook, actually bank on making it to F3 with a difference check?

I am actually baffled, and I think this is mostly to merit how poor I am at reading Nook. This doesn't feel like the T Nook that Shielded me.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Thanks for the reminder that Jay is town Wilgy

[Marmot]

Does W nook, actually bank on making it to F3 with a difference check?

I am actually baffled, and I think this is mostly to merit how poor I am at reading Nook. This doesn't feel like the T Nook that Shielded me.

He certainly has his work cut out for him, and esooa is a reasonable slot to push.

I don't see how Jay/esooa is a difference check though, that's just silly.

[Sabiplz]

BRB changing my username to Dr.Sabi so I can be listened to

[Marmot]

(why is anyone townreading Esooa)

Mainly because Alison did

And Alison was dead set on lucy being wolf.

Alison can be wrong.

What is your read marmar

POEOEOEOEOOEOEOEOEOEOEOEOEOE

[DrWilgy]

BRB changing my username to Dr.Sabi so I can be listened to

I hear you Sabi. You have me reconsidering the Esooa points I gave during ISO. I will look at Esooa's EoD 1.

[Marmot]

BRB changing my username to Dr.Sabi so I can be listened to

Hi DrSabie, what should we do in this game state?

[DrWilgy]

Don't know how to read sparkles so I'll just sheep

she's only that loud about it cause of all the things I posted and such lol

Tho saying she was going to give reads and then coming and not is a thing at least

also don't really feel like Sparkles is that scummy but she could a wolf. I guess this post is useless but I was thinking she was kinda towny until I realized that might make her a wolf cause when I played with her before my thoughts were anything but "pretty forgettable, a little towny ig" so there's that

Here's a defense.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

[Sabiplz]

BRB changing my username to Dr.Sabi so I can be listened to

Hi DrSabie, what should we do in this game state?

One of yall mentioned how wolves were fine with the t vs t mess of lucy vs Alison. Which makes me think either wolf was encouraging/flaming the fire or just not acknowledging it.

Aka time to reread D2

[Marmot]

Esooa/Nanook is the real difference check.

[Marmot]

BRB changing my username to Dr.Sabi so I can be listened to

Hi DrSabie, what should we do in this game state?

One of yall mentioned how wolves were fine with the t vs t mess of lucy vs Alison. Which makes me think either wolf was encouraging/flaming the fire or just not acknowledging it.

Aka time to reread D2

I didn't say that, but I like this take tbh

I might do the same.

[DrWilgy]

Esooa/Nanook is the real difference check.

I vibe with this intensely.

[DrWilgy]

So, here's the situation.

I agree with Sabi. Esooa's EoD 1 is damning and I don't want to see a world where I have to pick between Nook and Esooa in F3.

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

Like, if Esooa/Nook are in F3 and aren't wolf I'm not gettin the solve, so I'll start with my votes there and progress.

[Sabiplz]

(sometimes I'm good at mafia)

[Marmot]

If the wolf isn't in esooa/Nanook, best of luck to whoever makes it to F3 lol

[DrWilgy]

If the wolf isn't in esooa/Nanook, best of luck to whoever makes it to F3 lol

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

jk

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

[Marmot]

Here is the brief summary of why everyone else is town. Ping me if you need specific explanation on each case.

Sabiplz - Out of their wolf range, gains nothing by pushing me yesterday. Tried to veto one of the only other alternative exes to Sparkles. Sparkles blatantly tried to pocket and manipulate them.

DrWilgy - Broke out of their slanker meta, unlikely for them to do so as wolf. Signal boosted my scumread on Sparkles. No reason at all for them to do a complete 180 on their read on me (from wolfreading me to townreading me) when Sparkles was in danger and I was scumreading her.

Esooa - Had the exact same reads as me all game, shielded me when people were distrustful, tunnelled lucy all day but switched to Sparkles on a dime. My personal sense is that she'd powerwolf in this scenario too.

falcon45a - Absurdly townie, voted a mafia. Both me and Esooa godread him town.

Marmot - Sparkles was practically on her knees begging him to switch his vote from her (mafia) to me (town)... and he responded by saying "that's manipulative, ima vote you". Obvious town.

Does esooa powerwolf? I recall seeing her as a wolf in two prior games, but she lost both of them, and did try to powerwolf in one of them. It didn't work.

[Marmot]

Also, rereading Day 2, it's a little easier to see what lucy was doing, even if wasn't exactly what we wanted to do.

You were right Sabie.

[DrWilgy]

Spoiler: show

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here

I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

So, here's the compiled shit I saw re Esooa towards Sparkles in no real order. If town, Esooa was pushed via fear towards not thinking it was Sparkles. If wolf, Esooa wanted to frame it as if 'no defense means we're wrong'.

I keep reading it and I'm thinking this was in fact a frame.

[Sabiplz]

(what's a frame)

[DrWilgy]

(what's a frame)

An angle/presentation.

in the above context I say, Esooa framed their thoughts to look like 'I'm a doubtful town' as opposed to those thoughts being genuine. Does that make sense?

[DrWilgy]

Spoiler: show

I also was just genuinely sad Nook no sold me when we we’re both here, but I can’t express emotion without it being labeled as manipulative AtE apparently

this is manipulative ate

No u.

@lucy that’s cutee, buddy attempt accepted for now, who do u wanna vote for are voting for and why

That's it from Sparkles on Esooa.

Spoiler: show

My top suspects are Marmot and Sparkles. Everyone else is various shades of null to town right now.

I don't think lucy's opening is AI for her. I would like to see the promised thoughts as it has been 5 hours. @lucy

why sparkles

Don't know how to read sparkles so I'll just sheep

she's only that loud about it cause of all the things I posted and such lol

Tho saying she was going to give reads and then coming and not is a thing at least

also don't really feel like Sparkles is that scummy but she could a wolf. I guess this post is useless but I was thinking she was kinda towny until I realized that might make her a wolf cause when I played with her before my thoughts were anything but "pretty forgettable, a little towny ig" so there's that

Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here

I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

From Esooa's side, we're given a bunch of opportunities to make judgment calls. If Esooa is Sparkles' teammate, I don't think we can call this material "distancing", and maybe not even "bussing" unless that word means "place a vote for your teammate" and nothing more. Esooa's treatment of Sparkles kind of falls on the third corner of the triangle that has formed in my head of players with similar world views and very different products reflecting their world views: Alison, Wilgy, and Esooa. All three said in some form that they were cool with the lucy/Sparkles POE, and Esooa was the one to place the actual Sparkles vote. That vote came with little verbal weight, however, given that it was a shrugging sheep and followed by commentary that could move late wagons elsewhere.

So that's the judgment call. Is this Esooa genuinely shrugging her way uneasily into the correct Sparkles chop, or is it some combination of feeble distancing and effort to move other votes? With a gun to my head I favor the former. Esooa, even in this lower activity body, is not a player I would describe as "feeble". If she is going to distance or bus, she probably just does it? All the way? It's not a crime to be unsure about a Day 1 chop. I welcome discussion on this one, because it's not my most confident read.

I think Esooa has been townie both yesterday and today, just in a vacuum. She is reading me in a very specific way (trying to see how far I stretch my logic) and I find this to be a reasonable way of reading me that matches with her previous approach to me as town. Her approach to lucy matches mine as well. As you suggest, she has expressed doubt on Sparkles, but so did Outed Wolf himself, and she has not expressed that doubt in ways that are likely to convince people to move off Sparkles.

Today, she has stuck to her guns on lucy even when handed ripe opportunities to turn on me, despite openly voicing hesitation on her previous Alison townread. She shares my belief that the game can be solved by simple POE. I have no issues with her approach at all and in many respects she has played the game as I would as a townie in her shoes.

i wish to renounce alison from the church, plus sabi if you turbo alison u throw

What exactly about Esooa's thought process is off?

This is the second time I am asking you this question. Esooa is your top suspect and you are allegedly very worried that town will throw the game. If you care enough to beg me not to vote you, or beg Sabi not to vote me, you should care enough to at least give a brief summary of why your top suspect is your top suspect.

Here is the brief summary of why everyone else is town. Ping me if you need specific explanation on each case.

Sabiplz - Out of their wolf range, gains nothing by pushing me yesterday. Tried to veto one of the only other alternative exes to Sparkles. Sparkles blatantly tried to pocket and manipulate them.

DrWilgy - Broke out of their slanker meta, unlikely for them to do so as wolf. Signal boosted my scumread on Sparkles. No reason at all for them to do a complete 180 on their read on me (from wolfreading me to townreading me) when Sparkles was in danger and I was scumreading her.

Esooa - Had the exact same reads as me all game, shielded me when people were distrustful, tunnelled lucy all day but switched to Sparkles on a dime. My personal sense is that she'd powerwolf in this scenario too.

falcon45a - Absurdly townie, voted a mafia. Both me and Esooa godread him town.

Marmot - Sparkles was practically on her knees begging him to switch his vote from her (mafia) to me (town)... and he responded by saying "that's manipulative, ima vote you". Obvious town.

Hmm.

I don't think Esooa kills Alison though. Sabi, what do you make of this?

[DrWilgy]

So Jay is town.

Which means the mafia is just lucy and maybe Nanook.

But it's really just lucy.

Blah.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks for your efforts, squad.

[Sabiplz]

I think any take, including my own irt Alison death, is all built on wifom. It feels like it was either her or jjj and either option would have us questioning why them and not the other.

The night kill was made to create town paranoia.

[Sabiplz]

(what's a frame)

An angle/presentation.

in the above context I say, Esooa framed their thoughts to look like 'I'm a doubtful town' as opposed to those thoughts being genuine. Does that make sense?

Yep

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Just at the surface level, I'd prefer a Nanook chop over Esooa. For the latter I think there are valid gripes to raise, but I can also conceive of believable town motivations and mindsets behind her posts, at least to a greater extent than I can for Nanook. I'll listen to contrary casing etc, but that's my immediate view.

[Marmot]

Esooa does join in the fray on Day 2 at one point, albeit to ask lucy to explain why she wolfreads esooa, to which lucy doesn't really oblige.


I forgot that lucy TRd Alison, and told us not to kill her, which might be another reason why she was NKd.

[Sabiplz]

Just at the surface level, I'd prefer a Nanook chop over Esooa. For the latter I think there are valid gripes to raise, but I can also conceive of believable town motivations and mindsets behind her posts, at least to a greater extent than I can for Nanook. I'll listen to contrary casing etc, but that's my immediate view.

Esooa first then Nook would be my order if Esooa flips V.

Can you trust me on this?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to take a deeper look at Wilgy, for due diligence if nothing else. His interactions with Sparkles did at least leave some room for questions, even if he appears quite town at face value. I'm gonna focus on his non-Sparkles reads from the earlier portions of the game. If he is mafia, then he had to generate quite a bit of fakery from the get go, and that ought to be visible if it's there.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Just at the surface level, I'd prefer a Nanook chop over Esooa. For the latter I think there are valid gripes to raise, but I can also conceive of believable town motivations and mindsets behind her posts, at least to a greater extent than I can for Nanook. I'll listen to contrary casing etc, but that's my immediate view.

Esooa first then Nook would be my order if Esooa flips V.

Can you trust me on this?

I am open. They're both in my POE, so either way you and I are not terribly distant. I want to see what my re-read turns up if anything.

[Sabiplz]

(what if Wilgz is pocketing me)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

(what if Wilgz is pocketing me)

Is there something in particular that gives you that impression?

[Sabiplz]

(what if Wilgz is pocketing me)

Is there something in particular that gives you that impression?

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Some marmots have belly pockets, quite like a kangaroo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

[Esooa]

Spoiler: show

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Not feeling great on the Sparkles exe, is what I mean here

I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

So, here's the compiled shit I saw re Esooa towards Sparkles in no real order. If town, Esooa was pushed via fear towards not thinking it was Sparkles. If wolf, Esooa wanted to frame it as if 'no defense means we're wrong'.

I keep reading it and I'm thinking this was in fact a frame.

yes, the time where I said "no defense doesn't mean we're wrong" actually should be interpreted as "no defense means we're wrong," the exact opposite of what I said

[Esooa]

Sabi thinking that becuase I meagerly gestured towards another wagon then realized they were a wagon prompting me to back off.. is damning? is pretty awful

[Esooa]

I think any take, including my own irt Alison death, is all built on wifom. It feels like it was either her or jjj and either option would have us questioning why them and not the other.

The night kill was made to create town paranoia.

oh, yes, huge brain, "the night kills mean nothing." It's how we work towards a solve

[Sabiplz]

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

If you find a way to put these fears into words, I would encourage you to do so for whoever you have in mind. Give folks the opportunity to impact your perception and your confidence level.

Stuff like Wilgz quick turnaround on reading my slot. Yes he idnt taking in account two state game and what not so this is just me being about the quickness.

Marmar read on me based off gut and not like concrete stuff. Has been sheeping my ideas and what not (which gives me pause).

You, reads also based off gut and not actual concrete stuff. Just been super agreeable with me.

Yes my paranoia is based on a lot of people agreeing with me and their reads on me.