Kid's Birthday Party Mafia Game Over

[Marmot]

Nanook kill is still the most boring thing I can imagine and will almost always prompt another day of people repeating themselves about the most ridiculous reads possible on me so I'm inclined to beg you just let me be free still

this is silly in a bad way.

we have 1 member of mafia left. Nook is as boring as anyone else.

I just don't think a Nanook kill is anything other than "well, we don't know if anyone else is a wolf so should kill him now." Which if you arrive there, fine, but I don't really feel like anyones arrived there rather than just gone with the path of least resistance

Maybe I'm wrong because I'm obviously town and fmpov the PoE is literally "kill a towny and that one guy who hasn't really done anything wolfy, and if that doesn't end the game we're all clueless on it" but still

That's not how we got to chopping Nanook though.

Do you tihnk he's posted wolfy things?

Yeh, lemma pull the thing I posted SOD2.

[Esooa]

Well it's not just that that makes me not want to kill Nanook.

I still think OW is a weird kill for Nanook to make

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.

Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)


I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe

I sense in this post Nanook is more willing to actually chat with someone about game content than many other points in the day. I'd like opinions on this.

Nanook later sheeps Wilgy's vote on Sparkles, before jumping to OW.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: sparkles] aubergine

Sorry sparks

I have no idea what sparkles alignment is but wilgy says to kill them so I say yes boss

[VOTE: ow] aubergine

This vote looks terrible, especially given Nanook didn't talk about OW once all day lol

Here it is, I put it in spoilers though

[Marmot]

The weirdest thing about today is that both people in the immediate POE (esooa and Nanook) want to kill Jay.

[Esooa]

I'm not sure entirely if I do. One of the things I didn't like him from was me misreading something. I'm not sure on him being town, though

And Nanook announcing he's sheeping Wilgy before Wilgy was doing things like voting OW then doing exactly that doesn't really seem like a problem to me, don't get that.

[Sabiplz]

The weirdest thing about today is that both people in the immediate POE (esooa and Nanook) want to kill Jay.

Esooa won't give an updated read on Jay.

Esooa wants me dead.

[Marmot]

I'm not sure entirely if I do. One of the things I didn't like him from was me misreading something. I'm not sure on him being town, though

And Nanook announcing he's sheeping Wilgy before Wilgy was doing things like voting OW then doing exactly that doesn't really seem like a problem to me, don't get that.

Why doesn't that seem like a problem?

[Esooa]

I'm not sure entirely if I do. One of the things I didn't like him from was me misreading something. I'm not sure on him being town, though

And Nanook announcing he's sheeping Wilgy before Wilgy was doing things like voting OW then doing exactly that doesn't really seem like a problem to me, don't get that.

Why doesn't that seem like a problem?

Becuase he does that frequently and there's no way for him to have figured Wilgy would be voting the counter wagon to a wolf beforehand as a wolf. It's not like he's trying to save Sparklez, he's just doing the sheep thing which was pre-determined

[DrWilgy]

like if Nanook dies town we're going to be on day 4 that's basically day 2, one day from lylo with nothing to show for it for an entire week. But I guess that isn't the best reasoning to not want to kill Nanook. Sabi's posts about me still are p bad tho

if Nook dies town then we are on day 4, I don't understand. Why is removing players that we can't get a solid town tell on a bad thing? Does narrowing down to the last remaining wolf, not make solving better as we go?

[Esooa]

like if Nanook dies town we're going to be on day 4 that's basically day 2, one day from lylo with nothing to show for it for an entire week. But I guess that isn't the best reasoning to not want to kill Nanook. Sabi's posts about me still are p bad tho

if Nook dies town then we are on day 4, I don't understand. Why is removing players that we can't get a solid town tell on a bad thing? Does narrowing down to the last remaining wolf, not make solving better as we go?

yea I thought about that and I'm more fine with him dying, not entirely there just more fine with it. But I still don't really think he's a wolf

[Marmot]

like if Nanook dies town we're going to be on day 4 that's basically day 2, one day from lylo with nothing to show for it for an entire week. But I guess that isn't the best reasoning to not want to kill Nanook. Sabi's posts about me still are p bad tho

if Nook dies town then we are on day 4, I don't understand. Why is removing players that we can't get a solid town tell on a bad thing? Does narrowing down to the last remaining wolf, not make solving better as we go?

yea I thought about that and I'm more fine with him dying, not entirely there just more fine with it. But I still don't really think he's a wolf

1610

[DrWilgy]

Went through Falcon's posts. Turns out I've been sheeping Falcon since reviewing Sparkles.

Neat.

[Sabiplz]

So any new thoughts?

[DrWilgy]

I finally fell asleep so that was nice.

[falcon45ca]

(what if Wilgz is pocketing me)

Is there something in particular that gives you that impression?

No just my town paranoia.

I already have worries about you and marmar also pocketing me

I think you believe your arguments, if town that's a rather good thing. If w, you've done some mental gymnastics.

I am just really hung at Alison T reading Esooa.

I've often killed townies that were shielding me as Maf so that the Town would be stuck in this exact way

[falcon45ca]

Why is Nook doing nothing to remove himself from the POE?

[Sabiplz]

Because Nook is busy with other obligations like fatherhood.

[falcon45ca]

Because Nook is busy with other obligations like fatherhood.

I've got 4 kids.



Next excuse plz.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why is Nook doing nothing to remove himself from the POE?

I misplaced my bootstraps, can't pull myself up

[falcon45ca]

Why is Nook doing nothing to remove himself from the POE?

I misplaced my bootstraps, can't pull myself up

Well that's a bummer.



Thoughts in Esooa?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why is Nook doing nothing to remove himself from the POE?

I misplaced my bootstraps, can't pull myself up

Well that's a bummer.



Thoughts in Esooa?

Unchanged, think the last mafia is in her and jay

[falcon45ca]

We've got Esooa TR Nook, & SR Jay

Nook SR both Esooa & Jay

Jay SR Esooa & Jay if I'm not mistaken

[falcon45ca]

Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.

Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)


I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe

I think this is the largest post of the game for you

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nook you just gonna run past me all phase?

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.

Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)


I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe

I think this is the largest post of the game for you

Possible

[falcon45ca]

Yes. Look how fast I am.

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.

Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)


I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe

I think this is the largest post of the game for you

Possible

Why does it seem you've been the most comfortable sharing reads and discussing the game with a confirmed Wolf?

Can you give us some insight into your Esooa read?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Can’t catch u, you’re the gingerbread man. idk who i’m gonna work with this game, my two town leans aren’t really the type to work with others, and we’ll your running away from me

Ok, what are we working on

Fair warning im still crying about Jay calling my reads bad

Is jAY just a random vote, i remember playing with him as town in the 70s (champs s2) and we won. he seems pretty proactive in engaging others but thats obvi easy to fake as scum. tell me more about him, unless hes right and youre reads are just bad.

tbh i still dont get the ego thing AND WHY ITs important or being used for a read but maybe im just confused idk.

Idk it might be bad its a micro read i made while exhausted lol, but I didn't think his sabi read was real or made sense at the time, and his looking for a wikgy read from me after like 3 hours was kinda bad too given the nature of the read (which he apparently knows exists but doesn't know how works, which is...weh)


I think marmot's argument amounts to "alison wastes more time arguing trivial things as mafia"

Idk if its meaningful or not, I thibk its something Marmot could realistically believe

I think this is the largest post of the game for you

Possible

Why does it seem you've been the most comfortable sharing reads and discussing the game with a confirmed Wolf?

Can you give us some insight into your Esooa read?

Likely because sparkles was the wolf, lol

Sure:

Honestly can probably just treat esooa Jay as a difference check lol

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

Explain

Kind of a gamestate read, coupled with respect for your reads if you're town, if you're mafia this is probably the line you have to take, so significantly high chance there's one between you two, and you've said nice things about me so ill go Jay first

[Sabiplz]

so lets explore esooa train of thought during eod1:

So post post 836 she is talking to ow/visor. she is talking about her doubts and reads on other players.

Th very next post, 43 minutes later, she says this:

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

Notice whats missing in post 836? Any mentions and doubts on OW.

Anyway the two posts later, five minutes after this post:

A surprising day when you get votes despite nobody wolfreading you (and people defending you).

That's mafia for you.

Didn't even realize you were a wagon, lol

Weird right?

The next post, a minute later, is this

I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

She once again hadn't mention her OW read before her whole theory on ow/jjj being partners till ow became a wagon and then suddenly shes surprised hes a wagon. The only reason she came to the read that ow was sus was when he became a wagon because she thought about trying to save sparkles since the lucy wagon died.

I do honestly think she would have switched over to OW if marmar and i werent semi active during eod.

[Sabiplz]

i wish i could pull up vote counts from post history but whatever, just go with me on this.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

[Sabiplz]

esooa on her alison reads:

Another point against Alison btw is I think she was very resistant to accepting Lucy's meta stuff when backed by like nanook or someone

That's probably an angle where wolf Alison is pushing things a bit more unreasonably than she i ought to be

Not sold on it though obviously

Also the thing where "she has a poe of two so it's towny" isn't really valid. Even if a wolf needs to push more people than that to win they don't have to today and Alison knows that

Also Lucy's vote reasoning last day phase was SUS imo

What made you put me back into your town list by the way?

Cause I think if you're a wolf you don't push Lucy as much

So Alison is wolf because shes being stubborn and hardcore tunneling.

alison is not a wolf because shes hardcore tunneling.

thats esooa flip flop and non consistent read on alison.

is there a reason why esooa would use the same reason to both sr/tr alison?

its not a genuine thought/belief.

[Sabiplz]

esooa on jjj/j3/jay

starts off sod2:

Alison's posts after EoD are weird, removing her from my town

Wilgy/Falcon/JJJ/Sabi/Marmot town

so out of the blue esooa gives jay a town read even tho through the game by this point she had him in the poe.

► Show Spoiler

Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me.

I'd give myself good odds of voting her some tomorrow out of spite.

You sign up, you play the damn game. That means you vote, make reads, whatever.

As we lurch towards a damp squib EOD killing the person I suspect, the doubts have begun to creep in (few defenders, could be misreading, wolves taking an easy D1). But the days are short and this is what we have to work with. Not like many of the counter votes are agreeable.

Hope I'm right!

Why does you beginning to be more/less grated by Lucy make Alison's posts more towny? I don't really get it

Also, I've thought about the few defenders thing a bit irt maybe not Lucy, maybe not Sparkles, but really if they're a wolf then they have 1 partner who may defend them and it's just not really going to sway me thinking about it like that.

Can you talk a bit more about why you think Sparkles is wolfy? Tbh, none of their content in particular I've had an issue with. I know you gave general reasons earlier but when I read them I didn't really get anything out of it, didn't connect it to their posts I guess. But the biggest problem I could say I have with Sparkles right now is when I've played with them as town before, they've really annoyed me by doing very vocal and very wack pushes, but their reads this game seemed a fair bit more reserved and sensible even under pressure.

I was thinking Nanook could be her partner just cause he hasn't really done anything. His post saying that someone reads list was 'really boring' kinda stuck out to me in a time where I was wondering who's actually defending Lucy/Sparkles/etc and... well, in a world Nanook+1 of them is a wolf, it certainly is boring, and that certainly would be a way to at least try and get an edge in against it. But I mean, it's also kinda true it's boring and I've had thoughts like that as town so I didn't wanna push it or think of it so much as wolfy. Still is a thing though.

Since I'm typing, personally I think Alison's pushes have all made sense coming from her, and the way she's moved off things she's been pushing prior is actually good imo, contrary to what I've read a few times in thread. She's giving thoughts, realizing they're not valid because of something or changing her mind on the read, and changing pretty readily. I don't really see her pushing the envelope on anything or stretching reasoning for her thoughts at all, so I have no issue with it and think she's probably town for it. I haven't really been paying as much attention as I should be to say she's 100% town but I'm confident enough in it.

As for Wilgy I agree with what JJJ and some others has said. He's active, he's contributing, and realistically it probably means he's town. But it's a read I'd be willing to budge on. I think outside of just posting a lot though, he's had good curiosity in some things

One thing that's interesting though, mentioning JJJ, is while I think he's done a lot of things that I agree with/same kinda end point as me, I don't really find him towny at all. I don't know why, maybe I just don't know how to read him or have poor expectations, and I think very possibly so, but I just don't really care that much about anything he's said since early day 1. I haven't really felt like he's pushed the game along that much in a positive direction save for some unique thoughts early day 1 (when I'd value it the least), saying that I guess the game hasn't really felt like it's moved at all to me today so that could be a point against the idea, but still. I'm just not feeling it irt him.

Falcon is a read I could explain if I really wanted to, but I don't really. He's just Falcon. Every game I've ever seen him in people always go ??? at things he says, and sometimes if they don't know him too well they push him for it, but at the end of the day people like Alison and myself are right on him almost all the time. I've had a few games where he slips by a bit longer as a wolf, and I think once every I ML'd him while he wasn't doing that much compared to his normal games (could be remembering wrong), but this game in particular I think he's being especially town-falcon-y with his really weird logic that he obviously believes in. Things like earlier when he wolf read someone for mentioning post cap as a way to make there be less posts, really weird logic imo, but then a bit after I posted "I think everyone should stop posting" and he said it was wolfy and put me in his wolf reads. That's the kinda thing you just see from town Falcon every game and he's been executing on it like expected.

I can't remember other names right now and I've typed enough

Didn't really understand Nanook's read on me for a little bit of calling me obvious town. But I've thought about it more now and think I know his reasoning, and I think he's towny for it.

Thinking maybe Outed wolf/JJJ wolves, cause why not. Not feeling great on Sparkles despite what I've said, but realistically I'm fine with Lucy or Sparkles dying

And I just remembered day ends in 28 minutes, so I guess I have to be

never explained or expanded on why jay-son was suddenly town in her reads at sod2. jay hasn't posted in eod at the time so why suddenly town reading him

then back to routine, she added jay to her poe right after this.

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JJJ could be a wolf I guess

Not feeling that much that it's Alison still, or Nanook. And I have more reasons to vote Lucy than and of Alison/Nanook/JJJ, so

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

idk who wolf but I think Nanook is more towny than JJJ and everyone else is probably town

Don't see any reasons to wolfread Wilgy really. But I've misread him before

theres no explanation or reasoning on her sudden heel turn.

[Sabiplz]

Anyway I have no idea of Esooa is just like this in general or is this a scum tell or just a one off thing.

Anyone with experience want to chime in

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll take a look at your concerns soon, Sabi, once I get out of class stuff.

[Sabiplz]

Congrats @Marmot !!!!!!!!!!!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Congrats @Marmot !!!!!!!!!!!

[Sabiplz]

Congrats @Marmot !!!!!!!!!!!

Your prodigal son bringing honor to yalls name

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyway I have no idea of Esooa is just like this in general or is this a scum tell or just a one off thing.

Anyone with experience want to chime in

I don't have a super developed impression of Esooa's play. I think I have played 3-4 games with her over the last two years or so. So it's difficult for me to make concrete statements about what I'd "expect" from her under the specific conditions you raise. Generally she strikes me as a player who shoots from the hip and then builds a theory of the game around whatever comes of that -- not all that different from MacDougall.

Your observations about her progressions being disjointed or incomplete are valid. If Esooa is town, then some of those progressions had to occur in her own head without necessarily being splayed into posts. It will be up to her to give greater clarity to those progressions. I think your points about her handling of the outed wolf wagon can be compelling, in the event that in that moment there was an outed wolf wagon. Unfortunately we cannot snapshot that. Hopefully folks called their votes (Wilgy and Nanook at least), so that can be checked.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Actually [VOTE: OW] aubergine.

If you want me to read more than tea leaves, you should at least provide a half soggy toilet paper roll with hieroglyphs on it.

[VOTE: ow] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I am understanding the timeline, it appears the votes were cast and the wagon was present.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't really believe Nanook's "difference check" is a real thing.

[Sabiplz]

Fair enough.

My impression of her is she doesn't play sloppy and all of this feels sloppy

[Sabiplz]

I don't really believe Nanook's "difference check" is a real thing.

I think he was memeing

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm having a hard time seeing mafia outside Nanook or Esooa. I'll review Marmot and determine if that town read is justified, and ideally Sabi and falcon too if I can. In case I don't have the time available to me, that's something y'all can do as well. Solve in both directions.

[Sabiplz]

I wanted jjj to case me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am an extreme disappointment.

[Sabiplz]

You and Mac have a lot in common

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I don't really believe Nanook's "difference check" is a real thing.

I think he was memeing

I was not, thats my view of the game

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm having a hard time seeing mafia outside Nanook or Esooa. I'll review Marmot and determine if that town read is justified, and ideally Sabi and falcon too if I can. In case I don't have the time available to me, that's something y'all can do as well. Solve in both directions.

"I don't believe nanook's difference check is a real thing"

"If nanook is town esooa is mafia"

So in other words

You believe in my difference check after I flip

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"I don't believe nanook's difference check is a real thing"

"If nanook is town esooa is mafia"

So in other words

You believe in my difference check after I flip

I don't understand the comparison. Is your difference check between Nanook and Esooa? Is it a product of POE, or is it about "gamestate" and "believing in Esooa's reads" or some such?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

"I don't believe nanook's difference check is a real thing"

"If nanook is town esooa is mafia"

So in other words

You believe in my difference check after I flip

I don't understand the comparison. Is your difference check between Nanook and Esooa? Is it a product of POE, or is it about "gamestate" and "believing in Esooa's reads" or some such?

Fucks sake dude are you even thinking about what you write

If I think there's one between esooa and you

And you think there's one between esooa and me

If I flip town and you're town, and esooa flips red, what does that leave us with

Oh, that's right, an accurate difference check between you and esooa

Which you can't even say you don't believe in, cause your two person poe is the same as mine just with us swapped lol