Mafia Misplay Mafia

[Jackofhearts2005]

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Lily basically you need to walk me through if you think visor was very off why night kill him? There were others that suspected you after all so it can't really just be to frame you for example. Talk me through scenarios here.

"Visor was killed to lock in his reads before they could adjust to ender flip, particularly his hk townread"


Oh, look, a plausible explanation. Moving on

[Sabiplz]

Lily basically you need to walk me through if you think visor was very off why night kill him? There were others that suspected you after all so it can't really just be to frame you for example. Talk me through scenarios here.

"Visor was killed to lock in his reads before they could adjust to ender flip, particularly his hk townread"


Oh, look, a plausible explanation. Moving on

Thank you lily

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

can i ask you all who you originally thought the NK would be?

Nook

Lolwut

I explained. It makes sense in V!HK and W!HK worlds.

Very few teams would n1 me lol

What are those teams so we can rule them out

I mean, none of them are an auto-nanook n1 lol, im just not typically in the n1 conversation for people

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Lily basically you need to walk me through if you think visor was very off why night kill him? There were others that suspected you after all so it can't really just be to frame you for example. Talk me through scenarios here.

"Visor was killed to lock in his reads before they could adjust to ender flip, particularly his hk townread"


Oh, look, a plausible explanation. Moving on

Thank you lily

Yw

[Sabiplz]

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

Can you give me reads on Others like Wilgz and neon and nook

[Jackofhearts2005]

[Lilypetal]

Lily basically you need to walk me through if you think visor was very off why night kill him? There were others that suspected you after all so it can't really just be to frame you for example. Talk me through scenarios here.

does someone have to be on ur case to be NKed? most games i've played that turns out to not be the case but I'm still fairly new. i think visor was killed for a few reasons

good player
generally town read
and then like i said prolly because his reads weren't that accurate

could be so HK looks better, could be to throw blame on me/santy like those scenarios make more sense than say santy NKing him because he was on his trail at least to me

[Achromatic]

Nook's explanation ignores that visor already thought it was possible the wagons were v/v

[Lilypetal]

Lily basically you need to walk me through if you think visor was very off why night kill him? There were others that suspected you after all so it can't really just be to frame you for example. Talk me through scenarios here.

"Visor was killed to lock in his reads before they could adjust to ender flip, particularly his hk townread"


Oh, look, a plausible explanation. Moving on

yeah

[Jackofhearts2005]

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

Can you give me reads on Others like Wilgz and neon and nook

Queek does not have reads on all players.

[Achromatic]

Lily basically you need to walk me through if you think visor was very off why night kill him? There were others that suspected you after all so it can't really just be to frame you for example. Talk me through scenarios here.

does someone have to be on ur case to be NKed? most games i've played that turns out to not be the case but I'm still fairly new. i think visor was killed for a few reasons

good player
generally town read
and then like i said prolly because his reads weren't that accurate

could be so HK looks better, could be to throw blame on me/santy like those scenarios make more sense than say santy NKing him because he was on his trail at least to me

Well generally people are nked in mountainous for a reason. Maybe it is uno reverse this time but also I don't think visor had much thread presence nor was he overwhelmingly town read.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

[Sabiplz]

Why would someone N1 someone with bad reads? That's one person that wouldn't vote against the scum team. It's not optimal.

[Achromatic]

We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

I went from town reading santy to taking another look at santy because of the visor flip. I went from being ok to hk being policied to not due to visor's read of hk.

Stop acting like you know me, you don't.

[Sabiplz]

We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

And you're ignoring them because it doesn't suit your reads?

[Lilypetal]

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

killing mac is a bad plan?

[Sabiplz]

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

Can you give me reads on Others like Wilgz and neon and nook

Queek does not have reads on all players.

Can you iso and read them. Their iso aren't huge.

I want your world view jack. Work with me plz.

[Jackofhearts2005]

We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

Maybe so, Nook-thing, but Santy is a wolf-thing anyway, yes-yes. See how it scurries.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

I went from town reading santy to taking another look at santy because of the visor flip. I went from being ok to hk being policied to not due to visor's read of hk.

Stop acting like you know me, you don't.

I know in the past you've said essentially that dead reads are more useful for supporting your reads than for changing them

I'm paraphrasing obviously

We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

And you're ignoring them because it doesn't suit your reads?

Yeah

[Jackofhearts2005]

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

killing mac is a bad plan?

Ignoring Santy is a bad plan. Queek does not see the merit in focusing on beard-thing and old-thing and ignoring Santy. Make Queek understand now-now!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Why would someone N1 someone with bad reads? That's one person that wouldn't vote against the scum team. It's not optimal.

Sometimes you nk a player you consider to be good to lock in their bad reads

For most people reads aren't static lol

[Sabiplz]

Well I don't want a repeat of kids birthday party where I ignored every dead towny sussing Jay.

I can already hear. Alison telling me to follow dead town poe esp n1

[Achromatic]

We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

I went from town reading santy to taking another look at santy because of the visor flip. I went from being ok to hk being policied to not due to visor's read of hk.

Stop acting like you know me, you don't.

I know in the past you've said essentially that dead reads are more useful for supporting your reads than for changing them

I'm paraphrasing obviously

We both know you only give a shit about visors reads because it suits your reads to, if they didn't match youd be ignoring them lol

And you're ignoring them because it doesn't suit your reads?

Yeah

It depends on circumstances and isn't always 1 for 1.

One of the only things I did right in my qualifier is apply nka n1 successfully lol. People can ignore that 40 posting visor with town hk/scum santy was killed if they like, maybe its just delicious bait, but it feels like really risky delicious bait given visor barely posted.

Shrug

[Lilypetal]

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

killing mac is a bad plan?

Ignoring Santy is a bad plan. Queek does not see the merit in focusing on beard-thing and old-thing and ignoring Santy. Make Queek understand now-now!

i guess i see it as mac/hk are unpartnered most likely

one is a wolf

mac thinks hk is a wolf

so this day cycle it's useful if we can finally find town mac and vote hk out or if town mac is still mia we just vote him out

santy is fine to wagon lol but i'm gonna be sticking on mac

[Sabiplz]

Well I don't want a repeat of kids birthday party where I ignored every dead towny sussing Jay.

I can already hear. Alison telling me to follow dead town poe esp n1

Like Nook you were there in the dvc for that. Can you blame me?

[Jackofhearts2005]

ow: *hardly exists*

mac: aha look at that ow. top town for sure

ow: *squints eyes at mac*

everyone else: wtf is this read

mac: oh haha c'maaaaan look at ow he's just so towny c'mon guys

*ow dies*

mac: aw darn I can't believe me making the god read on ow out of absolutely nowhere got ow killed. damn that's crazy

[Achromatic]

I can for sure see the locking in bad reads thing though. It's just visor already opened up to the possibility that ender was town so not sure thay re eval was coming today.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Old-thing Hollowkatt maybe town-village.

Santy-thing smells like a wolf-thing.

Queek has not looked at beard-thing Macdougall. Queek does not want to eat beard-thing but Queek will not say that beard-thing is town.

Cat-thing Sabiplz probably town.

Fish-thing Acromatic good friend-pawn, yes-yes.

Esooa is strong skaven, like Queek. Good tail. Good whiskers.

Lily is cunning-tricky, yes-yes. Talks like ally, like wants to help. Do not like what Lily suggests we do. Bad plan. Will kill many skaven. Queek thinks Lily could be traitor! Wolf-thing in disguise. Or maybe just wrong. Or maybe just wolf-thing.

killing mac is a bad plan?

Ignoring Santy is a bad plan. Queek does not see the merit in focusing on beard-thing and old-thing and ignoring Santy. Make Queek understand now-now!

i guess i see it as mac/hk are unpartnered most likely

one is a wolf

mac thinks hk is a wolf

so this day cycle it's useful if we can finally find town mac and vote hk out or if town mac is still mia we just vote him out

santy is fine to wagon lol but i'm gonna be sticking on mac

Why-why?

[hollowkatt]

ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

[Achromatic]

K I think Jack is town now.

We are lining up super well on very specific things.

[hollowkatt]

God hk get better posts

"Esooa was piggy backing off the read from nanook when she pushed me first which caused nanook to agree"

lol no and you can't make me do it either. The only thing you can do today is kill me or not and then own the results of my flip. Which you won't but I've come to expect that

[Achromatic]

ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

Can you play the game or replace out? It's rude to the rest of us and frankly is going to ensure I don't play with you in the future.

[hollowkatt]

ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

Can you play the game or replace out? It's rude to the rest of us and frankly is going to ensure I don't play with you in the future.

The host said do it yourself. I'm still providing content when I think it's useful, like the post nanook got weird about. And my Neon = town read. I just don't care about interacting with anyone as I should have already been dead but somebody fucked up and/or saved me on purpose.
If my content isn't good enough I should die, yes? and if it is good enough I should not.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Well I don't want a repeat of kids birthday party where I ignored every dead towny sussing Jay.

I can already hear. Alison telling me to follow dead town poe esp n1

Counterpoint, listen to me while I'm alive this time lol

[hollowkatt]

Nook would have been an easy way for:

In a HK V world for scum to frame HK

In a HK w world for him to kill his biggest scumreader.

Ergo, Hollowkatt does not exist. Good job, cat-thing.

That is my ideal state of existence.

[Achromatic]

ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

Can you play the game or replace out? It's rude to the rest of us and frankly is going to ensure I don't play with you in the future.

The host said do it yourself. I'm still providing content when I think it's useful, like the post nanook got weird about. And my Neon = town read. I just don't care about interacting with anyone as I should have already been dead but somebody fucked up and/or saved me on purpose.
If my content isn't good enough I should die, yes? and if it is good enough I should not.

You are making the game less fun for me by being this way. Visor believed you to be town and probably died for it n1 and this isn't the right way to play. If you can no longer play earnestly just because some people suspect you, you should probably just stop playing mafia and retire.

Like, give updated reads. Play the game like a normal human being.

[Sabiplz]

Well I don't want a repeat of kids birthday party where I ignored every dead towny sussing Jay.

I can already hear. Alison telling me to follow dead town poe esp n1

Counterpoint, listen to me while I'm alive this time lol

Can you think outside of HK and tell me about Mac and santy.

[Esooa]

Why would someone N1 someone with bad reads? That's one person that wouldn't vote against the scum team. It's not optimal.

lol

[hollowkatt]

ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

Can you play the game or replace out? It's rude to the rest of us and frankly is going to ensure I don't play with you in the future.

The host said do it yourself. I'm still providing content when I think it's useful, like the post nanook got weird about. And my Neon = town read. I just don't care about interacting with anyone as I should have already been dead but somebody fucked up and/or saved me on purpose.
If my content isn't good enough I should die, yes? and if it is good enough I should not.

like to expand on this: I know my play EOD1 was anti-town and anti-good thread health. I'm planning on walking away from the thread if I feel myself getting heated again.
I don't have the WIM or desire to do deep solving dives, ISO work, or anything that normally would be associated with my town game historically. What I am doing is voting where I think wolves live, making reads on the content I'm consuming, and trying to lay out a roadmap for how town can still win this game after I am dead.

I think me flipping provides vast amounts of information, probably only second to flipping santygrass IF santy flips wolf. Which is why I'm advocating to flip me over santy because I know how I'm going to flip and I believe that gives us the best chance moving forward to win the game. Santy flipping town while I am still alive is basically worst case scenario.

We started with 12-3.
We lost ender and visor to go to 10-3.
If we flip santy and he's town it's 9-3, then the NK = 8-3 then tomorrow we basically are locked into flipping me, which will be 7-3 and then NK = 6-3.

If and only if Santy flips wolf do we find ourselves on stable footing where we can then explore associations, defenses, and pushes. But if Santy were to be chopped today and flip town we're locked into flipping me tomorrow. The two NKs are probably within the porscha/achro/mac/nanook/sabi group as they're the ones with the most thread presence and are generally town read (with the exception of mac but I think he's town anyways), so imagine you're town and you're in a thread with the following players left:

porscha
mac
sabi
risiinq
wigly
jack
lily
neon
esooa

is there confidence there that you'll find three wolves before the three wolves eliminate enough townies to gain parity? All the players in that group have varying reasons to be town or wolf, none of them are crap wolves, which is only going to make things harder.

Flipping me today is objectively the correct thing to do. Not only does it heal the thread, it provides information, it provides a new direction, and it removes me and my potential alignment from the conversations.

[Achromatic]

Yeah I just don't believe killing visor and then this is the wolf hk play of the day tbh.

Looks like I am in for a long game.

[hollowkatt]

ok, I think the path forward is clear. I need to be eliminated today and the reason I do is I solve so many worlds.
If I flip wolf it makes the people who were defending me look worse and the people suspecting me look better. I would likely eliminate busing from that world as well as my D1 wasn't nearly as bad as what it's being painted as from nanook and esooa.

If I flip town it's the reverse, and lends more credence into why visor was the N1. You'll also know that my reads are genuine which can provide some kind of roadmap towards winning the game for town. I would look closer at Esooa moreso than Nanook in a town HK world. I believe Nanook believes in the tells that he has for me, Esooa felt like a piggyback onto that read from Nanook.

I think Esooa was on me earlier than nanook was but for more flimsy reasons than nanook was able to present (if this is wrong forget it but I'm too lazy to go and check).
I don't think wolf mac kills town visor who's town reading a 100% mischop bait HK on D1, nor does wolf Achro need to town read me to establish credit or bona fides, I would hard clear the both of them off of a town HK flip.

I'm not planning on putting in a whole bunch of work today, just tossing out reads as I see them/have them, like my neon read from doing catch up, I think they've shifted into the town group for me. Sabi I think is still town. They've got a solid game overall but the way they're approaching things seems town to me and seems like them butting heads with mac isn't a t/w or w/w situation but a t/t situation where neither of them can really grasp how the other party is getting to the positions they're getting to.

Why would you even consider world views where you're mafia lol

Absolute nonsense

I'm functionally not playing this game lol. I'm trying to lay out arguments that the rest of the thread can find (or not as they wish) useful for how to proceed forward. I'm making the argument that I'm the right chop for today regardless of your idea on my alignment.

I'm not wolf casing myself OR town casing myself, just presenting how I would be trying to perceive the game state if I weren't me and were one of y'all instead.

Can you play the game or replace out? It's rude to the rest of us and frankly is going to ensure I don't play with you in the future.

The host said do it yourself. I'm still providing content when I think it's useful, like the post nanook got weird about. And my Neon = town read. I just don't care about interacting with anyone as I should have already been dead but somebody fucked up and/or saved me on purpose.
If my content isn't good enough I should die, yes? and if it is good enough I should not.

You are making the game less fun for me by being this way. Visor believed you to be town and probably died for it n1 and this isn't the right way to play. If you can no longer play earnestly just because some people suspect you, you should probably just stop playing mafia and retire.

Like, give updated reads. Play the game like a normal human being.

It's funny. I'd left MU, Syndicate, MafiaCafe, CFC Mafia, and all the walrus discords within the last 2 weeks because I am burnt the fuck out from being terminally online. I joined this game because Mac DM'd me and said please, it'll be fun. So I acquiesced.

And it was fun, for a time. Then it stopped being fun. Now it's fun again because I'm literally a dead man walking so anything I say today is already working on borrowed time. I've provided some reads already today and provided what I think is reasonable analysis of how the game is going to progress if I'm not dead.
I have given updates buckets of where I think the game is going. I'm not sure what more you want from zombie HK.

[Esooa]

Yeah I just don't believe killing visor and then this is the wolf hk play of the day tbh.

Looks like I am in for a long game.

ikr lmao I hate his play of saying people who are town reading him should kill him so he can flip.. town.. but I agree

[Achromatic]

Okay well zombie hk is currently voting with me. Good enough for now.

Zombie hk will be my double voter it is decided.

[Sabiplz]

Anyway I miss lucy:

Penis

[hollowkatt]

I think Jack is obvs town

[Esooa]

Anyway I miss lucy:

Penis

I know I said lol at your post but this is way too far for revenge

[hollowkatt]

Okay well zombie hk is currently voting with me. Good enough for now.

Zombie hk will be my double voter it is decided.

I have zero problems sheeping town reads so sure, that's cool with me

[Achromatic]

Jack stocks are indeed up.

[Sabiplz]

I won't tr jack till he drops the gimmick. This is my stance. I'm sticking to it