King of the Hill Mafia

[arogame123]

@lucy

uhhh, I think this calls for a good time to leave for a bit

[Alison]

mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this

i've been making posts like this every game sadly

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

What about this Lily post prompted you to vote her?

[MacDougall]

@lucy

uhhh, I think this calls for a good time to leave for a bit

racist

[robyn]

Mac are u sober

[staypositivefriend]

mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this

i've been making posts like this every game sadly

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

What about this Lily post prompted you to vote her?

i thought the "sadly" was weirdly self-depreciating when if i was incorrectly pushing on lily as town with that reasoning i would expect her attitude to be closer to "lol shut up"

[falcon45ca]

Wait @falcon45ca, you do realize I voted on Mac as a meme right? He said he was a 49ers fan and I am a Seahawks fan. Seahawks and 49ers don't like each other.

Also, I voted on you cause your intro post pinged me and it didn't seem genuine to me.

You don't like Mac cuz he's a 49ers fan?



I thought it would've been cuz he's Australian.


They're all descendent from criminals who think their eco system is oh so precious and must be protected. Southern Hemisphere Snobbery


And my intro post was genuinely my first post of the game

lol, but didn't you say you voted me cause you thought I was sheeping ur vote or something?

and about ur into, I didn't like how at the end there you had like the "oh, I am town" as if you forgot or something and it didn't feel right to me. I just didn't vibe with it.

I did not say that's why I was voting for you, tho I did ask Mac about you sheeping my vote.



Oh, I did do that, but I didn't forget that I was town. I actually knew the whole time

[Alison]

Hmmm, it's funny that you say that SPF, because I was about to my post an observation/read I had, and I kind of want your input on this and thoughts.

I was actually going to slight townread Neon rn because I felt like when they entered the thread, they felt more like they were "vibing" with the thread and going with the flow. Like asking you about the League question and responding to Lily's wolf gc comment. So I had some good vibes from Neon after their initial "multi-tabbing" posts and seemed ok.

So I was wondering if you agree with my sentiment that Neon seems to be more natural rather than "attempting to fit in"?

I don't feel like Neon's vibing at all. Their first two posts were pre-emptive excuses for bad posting, which is why I originally scumread them. Since then they have posted a bunch of irrelevant fluff and claimed to be trying to speedrun to postcap by spamming. This is a very shallow and low-effort way to engage with the thread, and it is very easy for a wolf struggling to fit in to make posts like that.

[arogame123]

OMG, I was about to leave but then the *wink* *wink* Alison showed up!

ok, now I am done fanboying about Mrs. Optimal lol

[falcon45ca]

mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this

i've been making posts like this every game sadly

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

What about this Lily post prompted you to vote her?

Is this your first post of the game?

[Lilypetal]

mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this

i've been making posts like this every game sadly

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

What about this Lily post prompted you to vote her?

i thought the "sadly" was weirdly self-depreciating when if i was incorrectly pushing on lily as town with that reasoning i would expect her attitude to be closer to "lol shut up"

doesnt sound very me

[arogame123]

Wait @falcon45ca, you do realize I voted on Mac as a meme right? He said he was a 49ers fan and I am a Seahawks fan. Seahawks and 49ers don't like each other.

Also, I voted on you cause your intro post pinged me and it didn't seem genuine to me.

You don't like Mac cuz he's a 49ers fan?



I thought it would've been cuz he's Australian.


They're all descendent from criminals who think their eco system is oh so precious and must be protected. Southern Hemisphere Snobbery


And my intro post was genuinely my first post of the game

lol, but didn't you say you voted me cause you thought I was sheeping ur vote or something?

and about ur into, I didn't like how at the end there you had like the "oh, I am town" as if you forgot or something and it didn't feel right to me. I just didn't vibe with it.

I did not say that's why I was voting for you, tho I did ask Mac about you sheeping my vote.



Oh, I did do that, but I didn't forget that I was town. I actually knew the whole time

meh, it didn't really come off like that to me which is why I felt that post was kindy pingy and felt unnatural.

So why did you vote me then, cause I thought it was cause you thought I was "sheeping your vote" when it was a meme vote.

[Alison]

[VOTE: ] aubergine

150 post cap, i can burn this fast and then i dont have to play mafia anymore

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

this leads to you getting eliminated day 1 so as either alignment it's a bad play brah

Mac is wolf.

[Alison]

mafia team is nanook / lucy / seanzie thank me in post game

this post in particular felt a bit out of place and like the type of post i would make as a nervous wolf who felt pressured to join in on the meme posting but idk if i actually believe this

i've been making posts like this every game sadly

[VOTE: lilypetal] aubergine

What about this Lily post prompted you to vote her?

Is this your first post of the game?

No, my first post was me voting Neon. Why do you care?

[Alison]

i think arogame is the most obvious villager in the game so far

does anyone disagree?

I don't have a read on him. Could you elaborate more about why you feel he's an obvious villa?

[arogame123]

Hmmm, it's funny that you say that SPF, because I was about to my post an observation/read I had, and I kind of want your input on this and thoughts.

I was actually going to slight townread Neon rn because I felt like when they entered the thread, they felt more like they were "vibing" with the thread and going with the flow. Like asking you about the League question and responding to Lily's wolf gc comment. So I had some good vibes from Neon after their initial "multi-tabbing" posts and seemed ok.

So I was wondering if you agree with my sentiment that Neon seems to be more natural rather than "attempting to fit in"?

I don't feel like Neon's vibing at all. Their first two posts were pre-emptive excuses for bad posting, which is why I originally scumread them. Since then they have posted a bunch of irrelevant fluff and claimed to be trying to speedrun to postcap by spamming. This is a very shallow and low-effort way to engage with the thread, and it is very easy for a wolf struggling to fit in to make posts like that.

So I do agree with you Alison that their first posts were meh and I wasn't a fan, but it wasn't really alignment indicative. But I more so thought that they were vibing and going with the flow of the thread during the RVS. Sure it's not the strongest read with what they were saying but I just kind of vibed with their posts.

Idk Neon's meta or wolfrange or anything like that, so it was just how I was feeling at the time. If you have any meta or anything like that on Neon, that would help.

Also, on the topic on a "wolf struggling to fit in" what were your thoughts on Lily then? I know SPF discussed about it, so what are ur current thoughts on her rn?

[Alison]

i think arogame is the most obvious villager in the game so far

does anyone disagree?

no, they were villagery as scum in a turbo, I'm holding them to higher standards

he was ridiculously cloying to me in the one wolfgame ive played with him (ie: he opened up the game by waxing poetic about how towny i was in a very generalized way) and in this game he was immediately accusatory and skeptical toward me (ie: "do you really think that lily believed that?"),so it would be a pretty impressive reversal of his scum meta in a world where he's mafia

youre valid though

Oh, this. I noticed he was less of a simp than he was in Cats vs Dogs but given how over the top he was in that game, I think he would make an effort to dial it down if he randed mafia again. So, I don't think that this is a particularly town indicative meta shift (especially because of how easy it is to make) and it definitely doesn't rise to the level of making him an obvious villager.

[MacDougall]

alison has caught me i must leave before i spew my team

[Alison]

i think arogame is the most obvious villager in the game so far

does anyone disagree?

I mean, I agree

But considering the last game we played in SPF in C v D, I am just curious if you do have some skepticism or some cautiousness. Cause usually when I play with someone again after I wolfed against them, they usually are very cautious with their read on me.

This is kinda townie though, especially coming off a game where he solidly pocketed me and cruised to an easy victory. I think town would approach that with a degree of pride and "fear me, I snowed you all" sentiment, while scum would be more likely to just accept the read and say nothing.

[Alison]

alison has caught me i must leave before i spew my team

How about you stay and explain why you made that reply to falcon? You know he is the kind of player that will throw out votes on whoever he finds wolfy especially early, and thinks very little about the broader strategic impact they have on his thread position. Nor is he the kind of player to be cowed by "you'll get voted out if you try this, oooo". So what were you hoping to achieve by saying that to falcon?

[MacDougall]

hey alison

[Alison]

lucy is probably my top townread.

[robyn]

lucy is probably my top townread.

oh, did you not TR me last game bc my reads were good and you had to put me in the poe?

[MacDougall]

lucy is probably my top townread.

this is fair

[Lilypetal]

i lucyread lucy

[MacDougall]

i fartread poop

[arogame123]

lucy is probably my top townread.

oh, did you not TR me last game bc my reads were good and you had to put me in the poe?

well what are your reads rn?

No need for explanation, just a short list.

[robyn]

lucy is probably my top townread.

oh, did you not TR me last game bc my reads were good and you had to put me in the poe?

well what are your reads rn?

No need for explanation, just a short list.

I'll drop some reads tomorrow (irl tomorrow)

[Alison]

Hmmm, it's funny that you say that SPF, because I was about to my post an observation/read I had, and I kind of want your input on this and thoughts.

I was actually going to slight townread Neon rn because I felt like when they entered the thread, they felt more like they were "vibing" with the thread and going with the flow. Like asking you about the League question and responding to Lily's wolf gc comment. So I had some good vibes from Neon after their initial "multi-tabbing" posts and seemed ok.

So I was wondering if you agree with my sentiment that Neon seems to be more natural rather than "attempting to fit in"?

I don't feel like Neon's vibing at all. Their first two posts were pre-emptive excuses for bad posting, which is why I originally scumread them. Since then they have posted a bunch of irrelevant fluff and claimed to be trying to speedrun to postcap by spamming. This is a very shallow and low-effort way to engage with the thread, and it is very easy for a wolf struggling to fit in to make posts like that.

So I do agree with you Alison that their first posts were meh and I wasn't a fan, but it wasn't really alignment indicative. But I more so thought that they were vibing and going with the flow of the thread during the RVS. Sure it's not the strongest read with what they were saying but I just kind of vibed with their posts.

Idk Neon's meta or wolfrange or anything like that, so it was just how I was feeling at the time. If you have any meta or anything like that on Neon, that would help.

Also, on the topic on a "wolf struggling to fit in" what were your thoughts on Lily then? I know SPF discussed about it, so what are ur current thoughts on her rn?

I don't have meta on Neon. I haven't played with them before.

"Vibes" isn't an easy read to talk about or argue for/against. Could you try to pinpoint some posts of Neon that felt townie to you? Also what do you think about the fact that Neon's first two posts are excuses for bad posting in the future?

I don't have a strong read on lilypetal. I don't think their posts have been particularly AI, at least not to my eye. I didn't get the same sense of awkwardness that SPF did. I did see SPF's argument that their use of "sadly" was wolfy, but I think it's something they could easily post as town and I don't know if town lily would give "fuck off" there anyway.

[Lilypetal]

lucy day 1 reads? ....wolf

[Alison]

alison has caught me i must leave before i spew my team

How about you stay and explain why you made that reply to falcon? You know he is the kind of player that will throw out votes on whoever he finds wolfy especially early, and thinks very little about the broader strategic impact they have on his thread position. Nor is he the kind of player to be cowed by "you'll get voted out if you try this, oooo". So what were you hoping to achieve by saying that to falcon?

@MacDougall

[MacDougall]

i refuse

[Alison]

lucy is probably my top townread.

oh, did you not TR me last game bc my reads were good and you had to put me in the poe?

I townleaned you D1 last game I think, then switched to POEing you as suspicion grew. It was a purely opportunistic move designed to fish for a misexe.

[arogame123]

Anyways, imma head off and got to wake up early for work tomorrow.

When you get the chance, can you respond to my post ALison and lmk how you felt and feel about Lily now?

Also Falcon, when you get the chance, can you respond to my post please and explain why you voted me? I couldn't really follow it when reading back.

[arogame123]

Oh, I see Alison responded. I'll pull up those quotes, but might take me a minute as I am adjusting to this site lol.

[robyn]

lucy is probably my top townread.

oh, did you not TR me last game bc my reads were good and you had to put me in the poe?

I townleaned you D1 last game I think, then switched to POEing you as suspicion grew. It was a purely opportunistic move designed to fish for a misexe.

yeah, good play but I SR you harder for not finding me
ima try to get a few hours of sleep right about now, this playerlist is really quite fun

[Alison]

i refuse

Why

[arogame123]

but in a hot way

im kind of bored tbh

does anyone wanna talk about anything

Who's the best league character? Your answer will determine my read on you

There's a post cap and I forgot.

Time to speed run 150 like I'm playing champs again

I'm here to meme.

wanna be 4th and 5th wolves together?

Yes.

So @Alison, these were some posts that I felt like Neon was going with the flow of the thread and posting what felt to me as natural and not "awkwardly fitting in" like SPF was talking about earlier. Neon mentioned they wanted to meme in this game and their following posts have matched that and it comes off as someone trying to have fun and going with the flow. Vibing with the thread if you will.

In these posts, you can see that Neon engages with the current people in the thread and discusses with SPF about a league character and then based on SPF's answer, gives a meme-ish/vibe read based on the answer. It didn't seem awkward or someone that was posting for the sake of posting. Carried on a topic to then provide an in game meme-ish read which doesn't come off as someone trying to "fit in."

Then, when the discussion of post cap comes up, they follow along with that convo and similar to me, also realized that post cap was a thing and then made a funny comment about "needing to run it up."

They also respond to Lily's post about joining the 4th and 5th wolves together in a way where I'd expect mafia to act more performative or weird around the question. It was a simple "yes" which feels pretty natural to me.

I don't get any "wanting to fit in vibes" and more so someone who is enjoying themselves in the thread and going with the flow of the conversation in a memey way like they said.

I do think their initial posts of being busy is NAI because as town or mafia, you'd let everyone know that and limiting your posts can be done as either alignment. Yes it can be coming from a mafia, but to read someone as mafia for that statement would be playing devil's advocate rather than giving them the benefit of the doubt. So I wouldn't sr them for that and see how it plays out, as it is more NAI for the reason I just explained.

[arogame123]

Anyway, gonna head to bed, I'll be on later tomorrow after work!

[Alison]

Are you literally just townreading them for responding to people's posts? Is Neon a super polarized player or something?

Also I think wolves are more likely to give excuses for bad posting in advance (which "I'm memeing this game" and "I'm playing 4 games at once" both are), because they know on some level that they're wolf and therefore their posting won't be as pure as town.

[arogame123]

Are you literally just townreading them for responding to people's posts? Is Neon a super polarized player or something?

Also I think wolves are more likely to give excuses for bad posting in advance (which "I'm memeing this game" and "I'm playing 4 games at once" both are), because they know on some level that they're wolf and therefore their posting won't be as pure as town.

I don't know Neon's play lol.

I was giving them a slight tr for vibing with the thread and because their responses and posts felt natural and not like someone that was trying to "fit in."

And it's not a strong read as I have stated but one slot that I felt was slightly townie for the reasons I stated.

And it's weird to me Alison cause rn it feels like you are playing devil's advocate and not really giving them the benefit of the doubt. Like sure wolves could play out the "meme" but the way they carried it out felt fine and I don't think being memey = always mafia yk.

It also does depend on the playstyle of the player and depending how they play if there is a huge difference between the style of posting then I'd agree. So I'll keep it in mind when solving Neo's slot, but independent of that, I thought their initial posting was ok and slightly townie.

@Neon what would you describe your playstyle as and do you have any games as town and mafia that I could look at?

[Alison]

Are you literally just townreading them for responding to people's posts? Is Neon a super polarized player or something?

Also I think wolves are more likely to give excuses for bad posting in advance (which "I'm memeing this game" and "I'm playing 4 games at once" both are), because they know on some level that they're wolf and therefore their posting won't be as pure as town.

I don't know Neon's play lol.

I was giving them a slight tr for vibing with the thread and because their responses and posts felt natural and not like someone that was trying to "fit in."

And it's not a strong read as I have stated but one slot that I felt was slightly townie for the reasons I stated.

And it's weird to me Alison cause rn it feels like you are playing devil's advocate and not really giving them the benefit of the doubt. Like sure wolves could play out the "meme" but the way they carried it out felt fine and I don't think being memey = always mafia yk.

It also does depend on the playstyle of the player and depending how they play if there is a huge difference between the style of posting then I'd agree. So I'll keep it in mind when solving Neo's slot, but independent of that, I thought their initial posting was ok and slightly townie.

@Neon what would you describe your playstyle as and do you have any games as town and mafia that I could look at?

I am not giving them the benefit of the doubt because they have done nothing townie and I actively scumread their play. You think their responses "look natural", I don't. Not seeing any "naturalness" in their posts doesn't mean I am being uncharitable to them. It just means I don't see naturalness in their posts.

I don't think being memey is always mafia, I think being memey in a very self-aware way and then openly declaring your intent to play in an anti-town way (rushing to 150 by spamming) is >rand mafia.

[Lilypetal]

im gay

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@Alison @Boquise @Jackofhearts2005 @MissSparkles @Porscha @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2 of you are mafia and the other 1 is creature

Hard claim creature

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

Preemptive omgus

[staypositivefriend]

lucy is probably my top townread.

i kind of townread lucy too but i cant pretend that i have a good reason for it

[staypositivefriend]

more people should vote sean with me

gn

[staypositivefriend]

hopefully more ppl will have alignment told in the morning

[Porscha]

im kind of bored tbh

does anyone wanna talk about anything

Who's the best league character? Your answer will determine my read on you

good god how are you supposed to pick only one

[Porscha]

Wait @falcon45ca, you do realize I voted on Mac as a meme right? He said he was a 49ers fan and I am a Seahawks fan. Seahawks and 49ers don't like each other.

Also, I voted on you cause your intro post pinged me and it didn't seem genuine to me.

You don't like Mac cuz he's a 49ers fan?



I thought it would've been cuz he's Australian.


They're all descendent from criminals who think their eco system is oh so precious and must be protected. Southern Hemisphere Snobbery


And my intro post was genuinely my first post of the game

lol, but didn't you say you voted me cause you thought I was sheeping ur vote or something?

and about ur into, I didn't like how at the end there you had like the "oh, I am town" as if you forgot or something and it didn't feel right to me. I just didn't vibe with it.

I did not say that's why I was voting for you, tho I did ask Mac about you sheeping my vote.



Oh, I did do that, but I didn't forget that I was town. I actually knew the whole time

meh, it didn't really come off like that to me which is why I felt that post was kindy pingy and felt unnatural.

So why did you vote me then, cause I thought it was cause you thought I was "sheeping your vote" when it was a meme vote.

falcon literally always begins his first post by mentioning he is town, so he had to make sure to add it in at the end

[Porscha]

lucy is probably my top townread.

oh, did you not TR me last game bc my reads were good and you had to put me in the poe?

dying